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« on: May 21, 2009, 11:16:33 AM »
"for a jew how and what are the jews worship?"

According to the Gospel God gave them the "spirit of slumber" so they couldn't sin against Jesus Christ.

A far different story for GENTILES like you and I my friend.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=14IlPsZlks8

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Re: Chat with Muslim J
« Reply #1 on: May 21, 2009, 11:17:12 AM »
"i want to know whom does jew worshiped..."

Jews worship God. The same God that Christians worship in the name of Jesus Christ.

His name is YHWH (Yahweh) or Elohim

In English God's name is I AM:

Exd 3:13...and they shall say to me, WHAT [IS] HIS NAME? what shall I say unto them? 14 And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UqMGpu4LpUE

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Re: Chat with Muslim J
« Reply #2 on: May 21, 2009, 11:17:52 AM »
"what is the different between jew and a christian?"

You seem to be honestly seeking answers to the questions you ask. I can be a lot more thorough if you create a user ID and we have this chat in the forum where we can quote each other, and I can post live links and bold fonts to help with my answers. You don't have to compromise your YouTube ID. You can create any ID you want.
The forum is here:
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php

Regarding your question, God revealed Himself over a 1600 year period through all of the prophets and apostles. That record includes 2 covenants. The first covenant God made with His chosen people the Jews and the second covenant He made through Jesus Christ that brought salvation unto Gentiles like you and I.

That new covenant was prophesied in the Old Testament long before Jesus was made manifest, or revealed, to mankind:

Jeremiah 31:31 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah: 32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day [that] I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD: 33 But this [shall be] the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.

That is what being "born again" is all about. Jews learn the law. By being "born again" Christians carry the law in their hearts.
Jesus was sent to the lost sheep of Israel, but they didn't receive them. That is how we got worked into God's plan for salvation:

John 1:11 He came unto his own, and his own received him not. 12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, [even] to them that believe on his name: 13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.

Act 28:28 Be it known therefore unto you, that the salvation of God is sent unto the Gentiles, and [that] they will hear it.

God IS love. Christians are commanded to love our neighbors as ourselves.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EmbvtuW4ZFE

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Re: Chat with Muslim J
« Reply #3 on: May 21, 2009, 11:18:39 AM »
"what is the different between jew and a christian?"

Being a Jew isn't just about a person's genealogy.
That is, as a Christian, I am more of a Jew than a genealogical Jew that is an atheist or agnostic:

Rom 2:28 For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither [is that] circumcision, which is outward in the flesh: 29 But he [is] a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision [is that] of the heart, in the spirit, [and] not in the letter; whose praise [is] not of men, but of God.

The attached video should help regarding Jews in the Christian era who haven't yet recognized that Jesus is their promised Son.

One of the prophecies to which I refer, from hundreds of years before Jesus came:

Isaiah 9:6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HOLVFwGd1no

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« Reply #4 on: May 21, 2009, 11:19:27 AM »
[[[[thanks for the details but i just want a short and sharp answer from you what is the different a jew and a christian you tell me the details but still i dont understand...coz i am not a jew nor christian]]]]

There is no separation between regenerate Jews and regenerate Gentiles (Christians) in God's eyes.
Jews have always been saved by the Son of God. Some just don't realize that yet.

Nor is there a difference between Jewish atheists or Gentile atheists in God's eyes, as the prior PM confirms. Salvation is through a circumcision of the heart, not of the flesh.

According the the bible mankind is born as either Jew or Gentile.
Nobody is born a Muslim.
You and I are Gentiles. God has a specific plan of salvation for us:

1Jo 4:14 And we have seen and do testify that the Father sent the Son [to be] the Saviour of the world.

1Jo 4:15 Whosoever shall confess that Jesus is the Son of God, God dwelleth in him, and he in God.

Rom 10:9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.

If that looks like the EXACT OPPOSTE - indeed the PERFECT OPPOSITE - of Islam then you have to ask yourself what is right and what is wrong.

The people that have followed God for 3500 years in two covenants, as detailed by ALL the prophets and apostles in the 1600 year record of God to mankind, or A SINGLE illiterate 7th century pillaging, plundering, murdering thief who WAS and taught the EXACT OPPOSITE of Jesus Christ and ALL of the new covenant prophets and apostles and the WHOLE SUBJECT of the New Testament.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-XV8ZLLWoBo

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« Reply #5 on: May 21, 2009, 11:44:37 AM »
[[[then why is the jew hate the christians]]]

Jews don't hate Christians. If a Jew does, then he is likely not regenerate. Ibelieve this verse addresses regenerate persons of both groups, though others may argue with it:

1Cr 12:3 Wherefore I give you to understand, that no man speaking by the Spirit of God calleth Jesus accursed: and [that] no man can say that Jesus is the Lord, but by the Holy Ghost.

Fact is I've had lots of Jewish friends, so I don't know what you are talking about.

Telling if a Jew is regenerate is much like identifying Christians. The only way a Christian can be measured is by this:

John 13:35 By this shall all [men] know that ye are my disciples, if ye have love one to another.

Mark 12:31...Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. There is none other commandment greater than these.

1 John 4:7 Beloved, let us love one another: for love is of God; and every one that loveth is born of God, and knoweth God. 8 He that loveth not knoweth not God; for God is love.

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« Reply #6 on: May 21, 2009, 11:48:10 AM »
[[[can u explain this,

exodus:33:23 -moses saw the "back" of god

genesis:32:30- jacob saw the "face" of god

exodus:33:11- moses spoke "face to face" with god

so which is which...?

the word "god" whom they refer to? if they say jesus...jesus came after moses...then who does moses mean he spoke or saw god?
thank you..]]]

It would be best to ask this question of a regenerate Jew since it is within their covenant, but I will try to familiarize myself with the context, and give it a shot.
Will take some time.

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Re: Chat with Muslim J
« Reply #7 on: May 21, 2009, 11:59:57 AM »
[[[do u hate islam?]]]

Indeed I do love Muslims so much that I hate Islam.

I love the things that God loves and hate the things that God hates.
Mohammed WAS and TAUGHT the EXACT OPPOSITE of the RECORD that God gave us:

1Jo 5:10 He that BELIEVETH ON THE SON OF GOD hath the witness in himself: HE THAT BELIEVETH NOT GOD HATH MADE HIM A LIAR; because HE BELIEVED NOT THE RECORD that God gave OF HIS SON.

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« Reply #8 on: May 21, 2009, 12:23:16 PM »
[[prophet muhammad is the last messenger of god...

in the gospel of st john-chapter 16 verse 7
(where jesus speak to his disciple)-jesus says i had many things to say onto you be thy could not bear them now how bid when the spirit of truth is come he will come guide you for him shall not speak from himself but what things shall he hear that he speak that he shall declarant to you that he shall glorify me...

the spirit of truth is prophet muhammad s.a.w and the holy quran is the wisdom]]]

I am sorry but you have been deceived by the vacant words of men.
Tell me if you think that's what God's Word actually says:

John 14:26 But THE COMFORTER, [which is] THE HOLY GHOST, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

John 14:18 I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you.

Not for 500 years or one minute.

JESUS SAID:
John 14:16 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another COMFORTER, that he may abide with you for ever; 17 [Even] THE SPIRIT OF TRUTH; whom THE WORLD cannot receive, because it SEETH HIM NOT, neither knoweth him: but YE KNOW HIM; for he DWELLETH WITH YOU, and SHALL BE IN YOU.

How did the Apostles KNOW Mohammed 500 years before he was born?
How was Mohammed WITH the Apostles 500 years before he was born?
How was Mohammed to be IN the Apostles 500 years before he was born?

1Cr 6:19 What? know ye not that YOUR BODY IS THE TEMPLE OF THE HOLY GHOST [which is] in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own?

GOD IN US

Sorry my friend but you have been given over to deceivers.
Please watch the attached video regarding one such deceiver.

Rom 3:4 God forbid: yea, let God be true, but every man a liar; as it is written, That thou mightest be justified in thy sayings, and mightest overcome when thou art judged.

John 5:22 For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U_4_tbN-b_A

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« Reply #9 on: May 21, 2009, 12:33:19 PM »
[[[[u love muslim but hate islam - the meaning is still the same u hate muslims coz their guidance is islam... but why u hate islam...]]]

Muslims have been deceived by the false prophet Mohammed. That you reject the blood of Jesus Christ that would save you, and the MOST IMPORTANT fundamental in Islam being rejecting THE Son of God, makes Mohammed's 7th century religion EXACTLY ANTICHRIST:

1John 2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? HE IS ANTICHRIST, THAT DENIETH the Father and THE SON. 23 WHOSOEVER DENIETH THE SON, THE SAME HATH NOT THE FATHER:...

Jhn 3:36 He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and HE THAT BELIEVETH NOT THE SON SHALL NOT SEE LIFE, BUT THE WRATH OF GOD ABIDETH ON HIM.

You know that even Mohammed said it was jinn that met him in that cave. He never said otherwise. Only his wife talked him out of what he knew deep down. Christians well understand this:

2Cr 11:14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.

2Pe 2:1 But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be FALSE TEACHERS among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, EVEN DENYING THE LORD THAT BOUGHT THEM, AND BRING UPON THEMSELVES SWIFT DESTRUCTION.

Mohammed specifically denies the blood that would buy you.
There are false prophets that created cults within the church too.

But God's Word singles out a single THE false prophet and says of the Islamic "beast" (see attached):

Rev 20:10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where THE BEAST and THE FALSE PROPHET [are], and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

My friend, you have to decide whether you want to follow the 1600 year record of God to mankind through ALL of the prophets and apostles, or the 23 year record of A SINGLE 7th century false prophet that WAS and taught the EXACT OPPOSITE.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8dejfJNF2_s

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« Reply #10 on: May 21, 2009, 12:35:49 PM »
I understand how you could be afraid to watch the videos I attach, but please do me the courtesy of watching at least this one video attached.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U_4_tbN-b_A

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« Reply #11 on: May 21, 2009, 01:39:25 PM »
[[[How did the Apostles KNOW Mohammed 500 years before he was born?
How was Mohammed WITH the Apostles 500 years before he was born?
How was Mohammed to be IN the Apostles 500 years before he was born?]]]

Didn't you read the verse regarding the Spirit of truth? Or have you simply quit reading everything I reply with?

John 14:16 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another COMFORTER, that he may abide with you for ever; 17 [Even] THE SPIRIT OF TRUTH; whom THE WORLD cannot receive, because it SEETH HIM NOT, neither knoweth him: but YE KNOW HIM; for he DWELLETH WITH YOU, and SHALL BE IN YOU.

[[[what do u mean by this above meaning what ever i said fro the gspel of st john is contradiction?]]]

It's your preposterous claim that Mohammed would be any kind of prophesied Spirit of truth that is the contradiction. John explained it very well. The Spirit of truth, the Comforter, and the Holy Spirit are ALL THE SAME.

[[[ fabrication? those words are from ur bible......]]]

The quote I showed you is from my bible.
You wrote:

((((((((([[[ in the gospel of st john-chapter 16 verse 7
(where jesus speak to his disciple)-jesus says i had many things to say onto you be thy could not bear them now how bid when the spirit of truth is come he will come guide you for him shall not speak from himself but what things shall he hear that he speak that he shall declarant to you that he shall glorify me...

the spirit of truth is prophet muhammad s.a.w and the holy quran is the wisdom]]])))))))))

The WHOLE PREPOSTEROUS POINT you were trying to make was FROM THE BIBLE.
Have your wheels spun completely off?

[[[[[......and so the bible is not the word of god?]]]]]

So you're apparently not even a Muslim? Here is what Mohammed's "Allah" told you to do in the 7TH CENTURY:

Sura 4:136 O ye who believe! BELIEVE IN Allah and His Messenger, and the scripture which He hath sent to His Messenger and THE SCRIPTURE WHICH HE SENT TO THOSE BEFORE (HIM). ANY WHO DENIETH Allah, His angels, HIS BOOKS, HIS MESSENGERS, and the Day of Judgment, HATH GONE FAR, FAR ASTRAY.

Now if the 7th century bible wasn't the Word of God, how could "allah" be so ignorant as to offer such bad advice?

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« Reply #12 on: May 21, 2009, 01:45:17 PM »
[[[the collection of books of the Gospels, Acts of the Apostles, the Pauline and other epistles, and Revelation; composed soon after Christ's death; the second half of the Christian Bible

u even have a gospel after jesus death?]]]]

Jesus IS the Word made flesh. The purpose of His prophets and apostles were to WITNESS to that.

John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 The same was in the beginning with God. 3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

http://www.islamandthetruth.com/gospel_of_john.htm

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« Reply #13 on: May 21, 2009, 02:02:51 PM »
[[[[look brother,]]]]

You are only my brother in the natural humanist sense, as I am a fellow human being with atheists too.
Until and unless you repent we cannot be brothers in Christ Jesus because you deny the Son of God and the blood He shed for you

[[[[1-Muslims believe in Jesus as the mightiest messenger of god almighty(allah)]]]

So what. Satan believes that too.

[[[[2-we believe in his miraculously birth

Even though you believe Jesus is the ONLY person EVER to be CONCEIVED by a virgin, by the will of God, you then preposterously reject that He is the Son of God, against the hundreds of verses that describe the Son of God and His relationship with God the Father.
That's what makes you ANTICHRIST. This isn't about a personal opinion.

1John 2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? HE IS ANTICHRIST, THAT DENIETH the Father and THE SON. 23 WHOSOEVER DENIETH THE SON, THE SAME HATH NOT THE FATHER:

[[[[3-we believe he gave life back to the dead with Allah's permission]]]

But deny that He was crucified, died and was resurrected Himself.
Some Muslims even believe that a Muslim so-called martyr that blows himself up in a bus load of Jewish school children, may provide propitiation for the sins of 70 of his nearest and dearest, but can't imagine for a moment that a Good God could have the same plan of propitiation of sin for all mankind, through Jesus Christ, who died on the cross for you.

[[[[4-we believe Jesus was born without a human father,miracles od god creation]]]]

So what? What do you think Jesus then? A bastard? The Son of only Mary? That Mary had Jesus with Herself?

[[[[5-we believe he was the messiah translated Christ]]]]

Even Old Testament prophecy spoke of His crucifixion hundreds of years before Jesus was made manifest to us:

Psa 22:16 For dogs have compassed me: the assembly of the wicked have inclosed me: they pierced my hands and my feet.

But you have to reject that too. Along with ALL OF THE PROPHETS AND APOSTLES and the WHOLE SUBJECT of the new covenant.

[[[6-we believe he was born blunt by the lapse by Allah permission]]]

What you believe are the lies of A SINGLE 7th century 7th century, illiterate, pillaging, plundering, murdering, child doing, stepson's wife taking, sex slave capturing, slave pimping, concubine fornicating, bloody imperialistic coward and thief. A man, and book that are THE EXACT OPPOSITE of Jesus and the New Testament.

If A SINGLE characterization of your false prophet above is not supported by YOUR OWN BOOKS, please tell me which.

[[[[but modern christian inc the bishop of Anglican church do not believe Jesus was born without a human father...]]]]

What you suggest is preposterous. But whatever kind of "modern" heretic you are willing to dig up is irrelevant, and certainly no measure of Christianity.
The most error filled church, the Roman Catholic church, has been around since the 4th century.
Christianity has been under attack by Satan since the 1st century as John wrote about the churches in the book of Revelation.
Here is how we can know that the person you mention, or any other, is a fraud. He cannot prove His heresy in the light of the truth of God's Word.

1Th 5:21 Prove all things; hold fast that which is good.

[[[[look brother,]]]]

You are only my brother in the natural humanist sense, as I am a fellow human being with atheists too.
Until and unless you repent we cannot be brothers in Christ Jesus because you deny the Son of God and the blood He shed for you

[[[[1-Muslims believe in Jesus as the mightiest messenger of god almighty(allah)]]]

So what. Satan believes that too.

[[[[2-we believe in his miraculously birth

Even though you believe Jesus is the ONLY person EVER to be CONCEIVED by a virgin, by the will of God, you then preposterously reject that He is the Son of God, against the hundreds of verses that describe the Son of God and His relationship with God the Father.
That's what makes you ANTICHRIST. This isn't about a personal opinion.

1John 2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? HE IS ANTICHRIST, THAT DENIETH the Father and THE SON. 23 WHOSOEVER DENIETH THE SON, THE SAME HATH NOT THE FATHER:

[[[[3-we believe he gave life back to the dead with Allah's permission]]]

But deny that He was crucified, died and was resurrected Himself.
Some Muslims even believe that a Muslim so-called martyr that blows himself up in a bus load of Jewish school children, may provide propitiation for the sins of 70 of his nearest and dearest, but can't imagine for a moment that a Good God could have the same plan of propitiation of sin for all mankind, through Jesus Christ, who died on the cross for you.

[[[[4-we believe Jesus was born without a human father,miracles od god creation]]]]

So what? What do you think Jesus then? A bastard? The Son of only Mary? That Mary had Jesus with Herself?

[[[[5-we believe he was the messiah translated Christ]]]]

Even Old Testament prophecy spoke of His crucifixion hundreds of years before Jesus was made manifest to us:

Psa 22:16 For dogs have compassed me: the assembly of the wicked have inclosed me: they pierced my hands and my feet.

But you have to reject that too. Along with ALL OF THE PROPHETS AND APOSTLES and the WHOLE SUBJECT of the new covenant.

[[[6-we believe he was born blunt by the lapse by Allah permission]]]

What you believe are the lies of A SINGLE 7th century 7th century, illiterate, pillaging, plundering, murdering, child doing, stepson's wife taking, sex slave capturing, slave pimping, concubine fornicating, bloody imperialistic coward and thief. A man, and book that are THE EXACT OPPOSITE of Jesus and the New Testament.

If A SINGLE characterization of your false prophet above is not supported by YOUR OWN BOOKS, please tell me which.

[[[[but modern christian inc the bishop of Anglican church do not believe Jesus was born without a human father...]]]]

What you suggest is preposterous. But whatever kind of "modern" heretic you are willing to dig up is irrelevant, and certainly no measure of Christianity.
The most error filled church, the Roman Catholic church, has been around since the 4th century.
Christianity has been under attack by Satan since the 1st century as John wrote about the churches in the book of Revelation.
Here is how we can know that the person you mention, or any other, is a fraud. He cannot prove His heresy in the light of the truth of God's Word.

1Th 5:21 Prove all things; hold fast that which is good.

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« Reply #14 on: May 21, 2009, 02:04:50 PM »
[[[look brother,]]]

Your false prophet doesn't even allow you to be my friend.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iZHWhsc7wvg

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« Reply #15 on: May 21, 2009, 02:14:44 PM »
[[[alhamdullilah you not change a single word from the quran... accept the capital letters ...u must be doing ur homework...good... then u should understand the quran better am i right? the quran or the bible?]]]

Is that a joke? The 23 year record of A SINGLE 7th century reprobate in which a whopping 71 out of only 114 suras are subject to abrogation, at least 225 verses.
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=116.0

OR the 1600 year record of God to mankind through ALL of the prophets and apostles. The God that His people have followed for 3500 years.

NOT the god of Mohammed that curses God's people.

Surah 9.30 THE JEWS CALL UZAIR A SON OF GOD, AND THE CHRISTIANS CALL CHRIST THE SON OF GOD. That is a saying from their mouth; (In this) they but imitate what the Unbelievers of old used to say. GODS CURSE BE ON THEM: how they are deluded away from the Truth!

Do you really believe God is schizophrenic and bi-polar?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aEfKpgiYgHY

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« Reply #16 on: May 21, 2009, 02:19:40 PM »
[[[[[do u circumsized?]]]

It wouldn't matter:

Rom 2:28 For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither [is that] circumcision, which is outward in the flesh: 29 But he [is] a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision [is that] of the heart, in the spirit, [and] not in the letter; whose praise [is] not of men, but of God.

Were you circumcised on your 8th day after birth as the "law" requires? Let me answer for you. No.

Jam 2:10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one [point], he is guilty of all.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yRE1mg9j3Xo

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« Reply #17 on: May 21, 2009, 02:50:49 PM »
[[[...and btw untill now i ask my friend whom is christian they cant find the verse which jesus say" i am god worship me".....]]]]

The ENTIRETY of the New Testament is about worshiping GOD through Jesus Christ.

[[[[[..... they only gave me john chapter 10 verse 30 "i and my father are one " this really doesnt make sense two different character as one person....]]]]

Unless you understand that the "one" in that verse is in the Greek neuter gender meaning of one essence.

Why on earth do you think the Jews wanted to stone Him?

John 10:30 I AND [MY] FATHER ARE ONE. 31 Then the Jews took up stones again to stone him.

Does the following sound like just another prophet to you?

Mat 28:18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, ALL POWER IS GIVEN UNTO ME IN HEAVEN AND IN EARTH. 19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

[[[[...but ok then i just accepted what they quote......]]]]

John 14:9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou [then], Shew us the Father?

[[[[....but not for me it doesn't work at all it is totally parallel.....]]]

It will never work for an antichrist. Here's why:

1Cr 2:14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know [them], because they are spiritually discerned.

You have to be OF the Spirit in order to understand the things of the Spirit.

[[[[..... why not instead the christian worshipped machisidic whom he was the high priest which his birth is superior to jesus......]]]

I see. So you are saying that his birth is superior to the ONLY person EVER conceived by a virgin, by the will of God.

[[[[...... coming or out of the word greater than jesus which in the book of hebrew 6,7
he is machisidic in the book of hebrew,the high priest of jurusalem,without father,without mother,without descent,having neither beginning of days not end of life.

btw thanks for sharing]]]]

John 8:58 Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, BEFORE ABRAHAM WAS, I AM. 59 Then took they up stones to cast at him:

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« Reply #18 on: May 21, 2009, 02:51:21 PM »
[[[...and btw untill now i ask my friend whom is christian they cant find the verse which jesus say" i am god worship me".....]]]]

Where in the Quran did Mohammed say "I am a pillaging, plundering, murdering, thief."?
Yet he was exactly that.

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« Reply #19 on: May 21, 2009, 02:54:09 PM »
[[[[alhamdullilah you not change a single word from the quran... accept the capital letters ...u must be doing ur homework...good... then u should understand the quran better am i right? the quran or the bible?]]]

according to what verse u explain of course not the total surah...]]]

Not sure what you are referring to. Here's another:

Sura 5:68 Say: "O People of the Book! ye have no ground to stand upon unless ye STAND FAST BY the Law, THE GOSPEL, and ALL THE REVELATION that has come TO YOU from YOUR Lord." It is the revelation that cometh to thee from thy Lord, that increaseth in most of them their obstinate rebellion and blasphemy. But sorrow thou not over (these) people without Faith.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5JgdMQioMV4

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« Reply #20 on: May 21, 2009, 02:59:36 PM »
[[[[[[do u circumsized?]]]

It wouldn't matter:

do u know jesus circumsize?]]]

I know all Jews are on their 8TH DAY.

Where is the record of Jesus being circumcised? (not that I am saying He wasn't but I don't recall it from the scriptures)

And of course it would be irrelevant, unless we were told to be, but we were told that we aren't saved through an act of the flesh but through the Spirit.

Just like we don't PRESUME how to pray. We are given specific instruction about how to pray and how NOT to pray:

Matthew 6:7 But when ye pray, use not vain repetitions, as the heathen [do]: for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking.

Christians are to:
1Thessalonians 5:17 Pray without ceasing.

It's about RELATIONSHIP not some pagan fleshly ritual.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J9Rdej28pP4

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« Reply #21 on: May 21, 2009, 03:04:07 PM »
[[[Where in the Quran did Mohammed say "I am a pillaging, plundering, murdering, thief."?
Yet he was exactly that.

what do u mean he exactly that how so pls explain.]]]

You said Jesus never said worship me. Indeed He didn't but the bible is about how to worship God through Jesus Christ.

My point was that Mohammed never SAID he was those things, yet he was all those things.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J9Rdej28pP4

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« Reply #22 on: May 21, 2009, 03:14:43 PM »
[[[Not sure what you are referring to. Here's another:

Sura 5:68 Say: "O People of the Book! ye have no ground to stand upon unless ye STAND FAST BY the Law, THE GOSPEL, and ALL THE REVELATION that has come TO YOU from YOUR Lord." It is the revelation that cometh to thee from thy Lord, that increaseth in most of them their obstinate rebellion and blasphemy. But sorrow thou not over (these) people without Faith.

what are u trying to say...i know the meaning i know the verse what is the point?]]]

If you keep not quoting what you are responding to I can't do a very good job of deciphering your replies. But you can see what Mohammed told Jews and Christians to "stand fast by". For example:

1Jo 4:14 And we have seen and do testify that the Father sent the Son [to be] the Saviour of the world.

1Jo 4:15 Whosoever shall confess that Jesus is the Son of God, God dwelleth in him, and he in God.

1Jo 5:12 He that hath the Son hath life; [and] he that hath not the Son of God hath not life.

John 3:36 He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.

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« Reply #23 on: May 21, 2009, 03:20:16 PM »
[[[you christians like to make modification and ways different from the religion teaching although in matthew 26:39 and jesus fell on his face and prayed

doesnt the pray is the same like muslim pray...]]]

It's not about what "christians like to make modification" but what the Word of God INSTRUCTS.

1Thessalonians 5:17 Pray without ceasing.
http://petewaldo.com/islam_is_the_opposite.htm

You can't pray without ceasing if your face always has to be planted in the floor.

Yet salat conforms PERFECTLY to the prayers of the HEATHEN:

Mat 6:7 But when ye pray, use not vain repetitions, as the heathen [do]: for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking.

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« Reply #24 on: May 21, 2009, 03:25:50 PM »
[[[what those thing that he did...explain to me in details...what is it?
what do u mean jihad or what? tell me pls i want to know...]]]

He even had poets murdered in their sleep that asked him the embarrassing questions. One a woman in the middle of the night with a baby at her breast.
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=127.0

Let alone the rape, pillage and plunder of the Islamic First Jihad near conquest of the whole known world until stopped in the Battle of Poitiers France.

Raping and sexually enslaving women as spoils of war, and stealing the property of the vanquished as they went.

For heaven's sakes. There is even a whole sura
8 # AL-ANFAL (SPOILS OF WAR, BOOTY)
detailing Mohammed's 1/5 share of the property stolen from others.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JDFf8mnOPfU