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I am muslim, and i want to asq some questions
« on: November 21, 2015, 04:25:53 AM »
Dear  thank you for your openness. in reading gospel it seems to me Jesus was not the Messiah; i'd like to know your opinions ,sir. here is my point of view below

Jesus is  Elias  he came only to annouce the Messiah


I-all the believers living at Jesus's time still was waiting for the Messiah

John 7/31 : " 31 But of the people many believed in him, and said: When the Christ cometh, shall he do
more miracles, than these which this man doth?"
words : him , this man reffer to Jesus.
verb come is in future
i understand Jesus is not the Messiah but he came only to announce him.

II-Jesus refuse the title of the Messiah

Marc 8/27 : " 27 And Jesus went out, and his disciples, into the towns of Caesarea Philippi. And in the way, he asked his disciples, saying to them: Whom do men say that I am? 28 Who answered him, saying: John the Baptist; but some Elias, and others as one of the prophets.29 Then he saith to them: But whom do you say that I am? Peter answering said to him: Thou art the Christ. 30 And he strictly charged them that they should not tell any man of him.
this verse above shows clearly that Jesus had not taught he was the Messiah. and believers supposed that he was John , or Elijas or one prophet.
Saint Peter as any Jews , supposed Jesus was the Messiah because of he was descendant of David. but the answer came from jesus:
And he strictly charged them that they should not tell any man of him.

III-   Jesus had to correct the jews .Tyhe Messiah is not from David descendance

 Mark 12/35 :" And Jesus answering, said, teaching in the temple: How do the scribes say, that Christ is the son of David?"

IV-Jews were waitaing for three prophets

    John 1/25 :" 25 And they asked him, and said to him: Why then dost thou baptize, if thou be not Christ, nor Elias, nor the prophet?
    the verse of John demonstrates that Jews were expecting three prophetes:
    1-A voice of one crying in the desert = John
    2-Elias = Jesus
    3-The Messiah = Muhammed (SAWS)


    all the scriptures in the Bible say that The Messiah is from Ismael and he would come out from Arabia

this is truly my point of view .  .you are well placed to speak on behalf of Christianity.
if I 'm wrong correct me
   


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« Reply #1 on: November 21, 2015, 06:03:20 AM »
Hello, my friend, and welcome to the forum.

We can go through the false presumptions you arrived at, but I think we can save some time if you answer one question first.

Are you aware that Muslims believe that Jesus is the Messiah or Christ?

http://www.islam-guide.com/ch3-10.htm

  (Remember) when the angels said, “O Mary, God gives you good news of a word from Him (God), whose name is the Messiah Jesus, son of Mary, revered in this world and the Hereafter, and one of those brought near (to God).  He will speak to the people from his cradle and as a man, and he is of the righteous.” She said, “My Lord, how can I have a child when no mortal has touched me?” He said, “So (it will be).  God creates what He wills.  If He decrees a thing, He says to it only, ‘Be!’ and it is.”  (Quran, 3:45-47)

  ...They said, “We killed the Messiah Jesus, son of Mary, the messenger of God.” They did not kill him, nor did they crucify him, but the likeness of him was put on another man (and they killed that man)...  (Quran, 4:157)

So how can you be a Muslim and deny that Jesus is the Messiah? Didn't you ask your Imam about this?

Any time you have a question about the English translation of a word you can click on the verse and select the interlinear to understand the term:

Christos
Pronunciation
khrē-sto's (Key)
Part of Speech
adjective
Root Word (Etymology)
From χρίω (G5548)
Dictionary Aids
Vine's Expository Dictionary: View Entry
TDNT Reference: 9:493,1322
KJV Translation Count — Total: 569x
The KJV translates Strongs G5547 in the following manner: Christ (569x).
Outline of Biblical Usage [?]
1. Christ = "anointed"
  A. Christ was the Messiah, the Son of God
  B. anointed


Now try this word search of the bible for the term Christ:
https://www.blueletterbible.org/search/search.cfm?Criteria=christ&t=KJV#s=s_primary_0_1


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We ask of our Muslim friends: Do you believe the Islamic scholar Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi and The Islamic State are ruled by Satan, or by God?

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« Reply #2 on: November 21, 2015, 06:29:09 AM »
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« Reply #3 on: November 21, 2015, 05:00:27 PM »
Mark 8:27-30New International Version (NIV)
(Peter Declares That Jesus Is the Messiah)
27 Jesus and his disciples went on to the villages around Caesarea Philippi. On the way he asked them, “Who do people say I am?”
28 They replied, “Some say John the Baptist; others say Elijah; and still others, one of the prophets.”
29 “But what about you?” he asked. “Who do you say I am?” Peter answered, “You are the Messiah.”
30 Jesus warned them not to tell anyone about him.


Hi there and welcome!

To understand this verse, please consider this also:

Mark 8:11-13New International Version (NIV)
11 The Pharisees came and began to question Jesus. To test him, they asked him for a sign from heaven.
12 He sighed deeply and said, “Why does this generation ask for a sign? Truly I tell you, no sign will be given to it.”
13 Then he left them, got back into the boat and crossed to the other side.


Additionally, consider that Jesus of the bible (and not jesus of the Koran!) often spoke in parables.

You need to consider why is the Messiah being so deliberately mysterious over His identity? Why does He confide in the disciples (via an obvious yet tacit admission) but not others generally? You might surprise yourself if you genuinely commit to pondering this. I hope so anyway!
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« Reply #4 on: November 21, 2015, 05:20:18 PM »
Actually, perhaps it would help if I throw this in too, from the Old Testament:

Daniel 12:9-10:
He replied, “Go your way, Daniel, because the words are rolled up and sealed until the time of the end.
Many will be purified, made spotless and refined, but the wicked will continue to be wicked. None of the wicked will understand, but those who are wise will understand.


So if you put that all together, what do you understand?

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« Reply #5 on: November 21, 2015, 06:28:43 PM »
25 Now some of them from Jerusalem said, “Is this not He whom they seek to kill? 
26 But look! He speaks boldly, and they say nothing to Him. Do the rulers know indeed that this is truly the Christ? 
27 However, we know where this Man is from; but when the Christ comes, no one knows where He is from.”
28 Then Jesus cried out, as He taught in the temple, saying, “You both know Me, and you know where I am from; and I have not come of Myself, but He who sent Me is true, whom you do not know. 
29 But I know Him, for I am from Him, and He sent Me.”
30 Therefore they sought to take Him; but no one laid a hand on Him, because His hour had not yet come. 
31 And many of the people believed in Him, and said, “When the Christ comes, will He do more signs than these which this Man has done?”


Jesus worked many miracles and signs. Yet despite that, there was much confusion over who He was - both amongst the people generally and the religious authorities of the time. In verse 31 taken into context, some of the people were asking themselves "what more signs would we expect of the Christ than what this man has done?" They were beginning to understand who He is.  So I ask you, why did only some of them start to understand?
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« Reply #6 on: November 23, 2015, 02:28:55 PM »
Hello, my friend, and welcome to the forum.


Are you aware that Muslims believe that Jesus is the Messiah or Christ?



  (Remember) when the angels said, “O Mary, God gives you good news of a word from Him (God), whose name is the Messiah Jesus[/b], son of Mary, revered in this world and the Hereafter, and one of those brought near (to God).  He will speak to the people from his cradle and as a man, and he is of the righteous.” She said, “My Lord, how can I have a child when no mortal has touched me?” He said, “So (it will be).  God creates what He wills.  If He decrees a thing, He says to it only, ‘Be!’ and it is.”  (Quran, 3:45-47)



In Koran Messiah is simply a second name of Jesus. like is marked above.

and in your Gospel the name of Jesus is Messiah or Christ

Mathiew 1/16 :" 16 And Jacob begot Joseph the husband of Mary, of whom was born Jesus, who is called Christ."


i repeat Jesus is not the Messiah but he came to announce him.






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« Reply #7 on: November 24, 2015, 08:46:28 AM »
Here's the whole genealogy from the King James translation:-

Matthew 1

1 The book of the genealogy of Jesus Christ, the Son of David, the Son of Abraham:
2 Abraham begot Isaac, Isaac begot Jacob, and Jacob begot Judah and his brothers. 
3 Judah begot Perez and Zerah by Tamar, Perez begot Hezron, and Hezron begot Ram. 
4 Ram begot Amminadab, Amminadab begot Nahshon, and Nahshon begot Salmon. 
5 Salmon begot Boaz by Rahab, Boaz begot Obed by Ruth, Obed begot Jesse, 
6 and Jesse begot David the king. David the king begot Solomon by her who had been the wife[a] of Uriah. 
7 Solomon begot Rehoboam, Rehoboam begot Abijah, and Abijah begot Asa.
8 Asa begot Jehoshaphat, Jehoshaphat begot Joram, and Joram begot Uzziah. 
9 Uzziah begot Jotham, Jotham begot Ahaz, and Ahaz begot Hezekiah. 
10 Hezekiah begot Manasseh, Manasseh begot Amon,and Amon begot Josiah. 
11 Josiah begot Jeconiah and his brothers about the time they were carried away to Babylon.
12 And after they were brought to Babylon, Jeconiah begot Shealtiel, and Shealtiel begot Zerubbabel. 
13 Zerubbabel begot Abiud, Abiud begot Eliakim, and Eliakim begot Azor. 
14 Azor begot Zadok, Zadok begot Achim, and Achim begot Eliud. 
15 Eliud begot Eleazar, Eleazar begot Matthan, and Matthan begot Jacob. 
16 And Jacob begot Joseph the husband of Mary, of whom was born Jesus who is called Christ.


The New International translation is easier to read regards that that last part:-

16 and Jacob the father of Joseph, the husband of Mary, and Mary was the mother of Jesus who is called the Messiah

It's interesting to note that from Abraham all the way down to Joseph (husband of Mary) we have an exclusively male descendancy. Just from the pattern of it, it is odd that Mary is mentioned at all.  Note that it is a Jewish custom to list geneaolgies via the male parent only, as this one does right until the end.

Note that another Jewish (and Christian) custom is that when a man marries his wife, then they, in the eyes of God become one flesh.

Strange then that the end of the geneology diverges, somewhat conspicuously, to state Mary was the mother of Jesus. Why does it suddenly depart from the normal male line of descendancy? Why does it NOT clearly state that Joseph was the father of Jesus in keeping with the normal pattern of the genealogy? The reason is that the male human part of the marriage (Joseph) was not involved in the conception of Jesus. It was the Spirit Of God that created the physical incarnation of The Son of God (Who is eternally part of the Godhead) in Mary's womb.

That said, the descendancy works fine since through marriage, Joseph and Mary were one flesh.

Finally, it is clear from verse 16 that Jesus, Son of Mary, is the Christ/Messiah. That's what the text says.  How can you read it any other way?
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« Reply #8 on: November 24, 2015, 09:10:48 AM »
Actually, I think this might just be a problem of interpreting English as I see that it is not your primary language.  So perhaps I can help. You see in English there are usually many ways to say the same thing. I could quite legitimately rephrase verse 16 as follows:-

"and Jacob was the father of Joseph, who is the husband of Mary. Mary was the mother of Jesus. Jesus was also known as the Messiah."

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« Reply #9 on: November 26, 2015, 02:07:36 PM »
no ; the all translations i have in arabic , french and english


Jesus is called the Christ. it's just a second name of Jesus.


jesus has never recognised himself as the Messiah.


he was Elias the precursor of the Messiah

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« Reply #10 on: November 26, 2015, 02:15:55 PM »
Mark 8:27-30New International Version (NIV)
(Peter Declares That Jesus Is the Messiah)
27 Jesus and his disciples went on to the villages around Caesarea Philippi. On the way he asked them, “Who do people say I am?”
28 They replied, “Some say John the Baptist; others say Elijah; and still others, one of the prophets.”
29 “But what about you?” he asked. “Who do you say I am?” Peter answered, “You are the Messiah.”
30 Jesus warned them not to tell anyone about him.

you are answering your self:
0 Jesus warned them not to tell anyone about him


this means he refuses the title



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« Reply #11 on: November 26, 2015, 03:38:50 PM »
"and Jacob was the father of Joseph, who is the husband of Mary. Mary was the mother of Jesus. Jesus was also known as the Messiah."

it does not exist in all translations.

you invent

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« Reply #12 on: November 27, 2015, 07:12:58 PM »
If Muhammad said Jesus was the Messiah, would you believe him?  The Bible is NOT about Muhammad.  It is about Jesus only.

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« Reply #13 on: November 30, 2015, 09:51:59 AM »
John's corrections to the synoptic


I- Texts regarding the kingdom of God

Mathiew ; Mark and Luke agree to say that Jesus and John the Baptist came to announce the good news of the kingdom of God.: Luke 4/43 :” 43 To whom he said: To other cities also I must preach the kingdom of God: for therefore am I sent. »

John:  said nothing of it.

The kingdom of God means the Messiah who have to establish the kingdom was not coming yet.

II- Texts regarding Jesus’s baptem.

Synoptic  agree that Jesus was baptized by John

John: said nothing of it . despite that he knows the fact.

John 1/32:” And John gave testimony, saying: I saw the Spirit coming down, as a dove from heaven, and he remained upon him.”.

Jesus have been baptized by John demonstrates that Jesus was not the Messiah. It’s for this John denies Jesus baptem.

III-Jesus and John were cousin , they are the same age and were living in the same country.
This is well knew in the synoptic especially Luke.

John correct synoptic so: “: “33 And I knew him not;” John 1/33.

John said this because in synoptic John the baptizer said : “after me came one who is greatest of me. With out appointing Jesus.

IV- texts regarding disciples of John

Synoptic relate that disciples of John were living  next door of Jesus and his disciples. This means Jesus was not the Messiah.

John: said nothing of disciples of John. 40” And Andrew, the brother of Simon Peter,was one of the two who had heard of John, and followed him” John 1/40.
And all the synoptic said that Simon and his brother Andrew were from Galilia. And they were fisherman invited by Jesus to follow him.

IV-The John’s  prophety is related in synoptic and John differently

In synoptic here is related : Mark 1/7:” 7 And he preached, saying: There cometh after me one mightier than I, the latchet of whose shoes I am not worthy to stoop down and loose.”

In John: “29 The next day, John saw Jesus coming to him, and he saith: Behold the Lamb of God, behold him who taketh away the sin of the world.30 This is he, of whom I said: After me there cometh a man, who is preferred before me: because he was before me. 31 And I knew him not”

you can notice that John explains what the synoptic’s verses open to misinterpretation.


this is why we believe in Muhammed (SAWS)



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« Reply #14 on: November 30, 2015, 07:15:25 PM »
Hello, my friend, and welcome to the forum.


Are you aware that Muslims believe that Jesus is the Messiah or Christ?



  (Remember) when the angels said, “O Mary, God gives you good news of a word from Him (God), whose name is the Messiah Jesus[/b], son of Mary, revered in this world and the Hereafter, and one of those brought near (to God).  He will speak to the people from his cradle and as a man, and he is of the righteous.” She said, “My Lord, how can I have a child when no mortal has touched me?” He said, “So (it will be).  God creates what He wills.  If He decrees a thing, He says to it only, ‘Be!’ and it is.”  (Quran, 3:45-47)



In Koran Messiah is simply a second name of Jesus. like is marked above.

and in your Gospel the name of Jesus is Messiah or Christ

Please excuse my absence bahous, as I was unavailable to the Internet for the last 10 days, but I will be able to be more responsive going forward - as long as you are.

In answer to you, sorry bahous, but if the Quran were using "Messiah" as a name for Jesus (Hebrew Yeshua), the Quran would be wrong, because Messiah is a descriptive title - not a name.

Mathiew 1/16 :" 16 And Jacob begot Joseph the husband of Mary, of whom was born Jesus, who is called Christ."

i repeat Jesus is not the Messiah but he came to announce him.

Your admission that Jesus is the Christ means you admit that Jesus is the anointed one. There is only one "anointed one".
Now if you ask your local Imam I am sure he will tell you that Jesus is the Messiah, just as Ahmed Deedat does at the 4:50 mark on the video at this link.
https://youtu.be/YDslsWDzPIc

If you do not believe this important tenant of Islam that Jesus is the Messiah, as Muslims do, you are founding your own religion. We have a forum section devoted to people who follow gods of their own creation, where we can move your posts to that more appropriate forum section, as we find that when folks begin in confusion they increasingly become moving targets, making up things as they go along. Your post also makes me think you may have been sucked in as a victim of the preposterous 16th century Muslim forgery the "Gospel of Barnabas":
http://www.islamandthetruth.com/gospel_of_barnabas.htm

But while I answered your question myself, and now again through the Ahmed Deedat video (or simply ask your Imam), you failed to answer my question to you. When you joined the forum you agreed to engage in an exchange. Ignoring a question that is asked of you is a failure to to as you pledged to do. Now I ask again:


Now I would appreciate very much if you could answer a question for me on the related thread:
http://www.islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=4787.0

We ask of our Muslim friends: Do you believe the Islamic scholar Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi and The Islamic State are ruled by Satan, or by God?

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« Reply #15 on: December 01, 2015, 06:18:59 AM »
Your admission that Jesus is the Christ means you admit that Jesus is the anointed one. There is only one "anointed one".

i don't believe what you say.

Jesus was not at any time anointed.

his name is Messiah. that's not a title.

Jesus came only to annouce the Messiah ( Muhammed (SAWS).


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« Reply #16 on: December 01, 2015, 06:30:16 AM »
bahous - Was Jesus not anointed when The Holy Spirit was seen to descend on Him as a dove?  At the time of His baptism by John Baptist?  Was He not anointed by The Most Holy God and then by sinners? The words "reconciliation" and "atonement" spring to mind. Think about the significance of this.

Pete is right. The words "Christ" and "Messiah" mean exactly the same thing, ie "Annointed One."  The word "Messiah" is from the Hebrew language whilst "Christ" is the equivalent word from the Greek.

The Jews understood "Messiah" to be a title - not a name. What scriptural evidence do you have to suggest "Messiah" was ever used as a name?
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« Reply #17 on: December 01, 2015, 07:23:00 AM »
Your admission that Jesus is the Christ means you admit that Jesus is the anointed one. There is only one "anointed one".

i don't believe what you say.

Jesus was not at any time anointed.

his name is Messiah. that's not a title.

Jesus came only to annouce the Messiah ( Muhammed (SAWS).

Again, your argument isn't with me, but with the Quran, Hadith, your Imam, Ahmed Deedat, Zakir Naik, Yousuf Estes and a near unanimity of the 1.5 billion other Muslims. About the only thing your argument agrees with, is the 16th century Muslim forgery of the so-called Gospel of Barnabas.
And by your suggestion that Jesus came to "announce" the Messiah I take it you got duped by the buffoonery of Ahmed Deedat and others that try to pretend that Muhammad was the prophesied "Comforter", even though the scriptures specifically detail exactly who that is.
http://www.islamandthetruth.com/comforter_paraclete.htm

Let alone that Muhammad's imperialistic conquest and slaughter was no more comforting than is Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi's.

So why can we suppose you again failed to answer my question about whether you believe the Islamic State is ruled by God or Satan? This shouldn't be a difficult question. Would you please answer on the thread at this link:
http://www.islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=4787.0

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« Reply #18 on: December 03, 2015, 02:45:55 AM »
Your admission that Jesus is the Christ means you admit that Jesus is the anointed one. There is only one "anointed one".

i don't believe what you say.

Jesus was not at any time anointed.

his name is Messiah. that's not a title.

Jesus came only to annouce the Messiah ( Muhammed (SAWS).

Again, your argument isn't with me, but with the Quran, Hadith, your Imam, Ahmed Deedat, Zakir Naik, Yousuf Estes and a near unanimity of the 1.5 billion other Muslims. About the only thing your argument agrees with, is the 16th century Muslim forgery of the so-called Gospel of Barnabas.
And by your suggestion that Jesus came to "announce" the Messiah I take it you got duped by the buffoonery of Ahmed Deedat and others that try to pretend that Muhammad was the prophesied "Comforter", even though the scriptures specifically detail exactly who that is.
http://www.islamandthetruth.com/comforter_paraclete.htm

Let alone that Muhammad's imperialistic conquest and slaughter was no more comforting than is Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi's.

So why can we suppose you again failed to answer my question about whether you believe the Islamic State is ruled by God or Satan? This shouldn't be a difficult question. Would you please answer on the thread at this link:
http://www.islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=4787.0

Jesus was not anointed . receiving the Holy Spirit is not specific for him.

John had received the holy spirit even when he was in his mother's womb

Luke 1/:"15 For he shall be great before the Lord; and shall drink no wine nor strong drink: and he shall be lled with the Holy Ghost, even from his mother's womb."





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« Reply #19 on: December 03, 2015, 07:05:14 AM »
Your admission that Jesus is the Christ means you admit that Jesus is the anointed one. There is only one "anointed one".

i don't believe what you say.

Jesus was not at any time anointed.

his name is Messiah. that's not a title.

Jesus came only to annouce the Messiah ( Muhammed (SAWS).

Again, your argument isn't with me, but with the Quran, Hadith, your Imam, Ahmed Deedat, Zakir Naik, Yousuf Estes and a near unanimity of the 1.5 billion other Muslims. About the only thing your argument agrees with, is the 16th century Muslim forgery of the so-called Gospel of Barnabas.
And by your suggestion that Jesus came to "announce" the Messiah I take it you got duped by the buffoonery of Ahmed Deedat and others that try to pretend that Muhammad was the prophesied "Comforter", even though the scriptures specifically detail exactly who that is.
http://www.islamandthetruth.com/comforter_paraclete.htm

Let alone that Muhammad's imperialistic conquest and slaughter was no more comforting than is Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi's.

So why can we suppose you again failed to answer my question about whether you believe the Islamic State is ruled by God or Satan? This shouldn't be a difficult question. Would you please answer on the thread at this link:
http://www.islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=4787.0

Jesus was not anointed .....

Parroting Islam's liars will only bring you closer to the father of lies:

Act 10:38 How God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Ghost and with power: who went about doing good, and healing all that were oppressed of the devil; for God was with him.

..... receiving the Holy Spirit is not specific for him.

John had received the holy spirit even when he was in his mother's womb

Luke 1/:"15 For he shall be great before the Lord; and shall drink no wine nor strong drink: and he shall be lled with the Holy Ghost, even from his mother's womb."

Putting your effort into misunderstanding, by turning to Deedat's playbook, won't change the simple truth of John 14:26. Don't feel bad. Virtually all Internet Muslims have been deceived by liars like Ahmed Deedat, Zakir Naik and Yusuf Estes. Just look at how undeniably they duped their poor adoring bible-ignorant minions with their Baca = Mecca lie, by censoring out the only part of Psalms 84 that pins the location of that pilgrimage:
http://www.islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=1236.msg18498#msg18498

But if you would read the scriptures for yourself, rather than parroting the diversions of Greek sophist styled entertainers and lying antichrist deceivers like Deedat, you wouldn't have to suffer from such delusion. There is no ambiguity in regard to the identity of the Comforter as every literate person can conclude from the following verse:

John 14:26 But the Comforter, [which is] the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.
http://www.islamandthetruth.com/comforter_paraclete.htm

See how simple that is? You don't have to parrot the script you received from the father of lies any longer. The scriptures showed you the undeniable truth. The Comforter is the Holy Ghost (or Spirit). Is there anything about that is unclear to you?


And the reason you refuse to recognize that Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi and The Islamic State are ruled by Satan, as any rational person can judge by their behavior, is because you know those reprobate men are not doing anything that Muhammad didn't do, or command his followers to do. Isn't that right?
http://www.falseprophetmuhammad.com/the_islamic_state.htm

You have no choice but to believe that when Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi and his men steal the property of others, behead those innocent young Christian boys and rape those Christian girls, that they are actually doing God's work, because Muhammad engaged in the very same behavior. Isn't that right?

Bukhari:V5B59N448 "They then surrendered to the Prophet's judgment but he directed them to Sa'd to give the verdict. Sad said, 'I give my judgment that their men should be killed, their women and children should be taken as captives, and their properties distributed.'"

Tabari VIII:35/Ishaq:464 "The Jews were made to come down, and Allah's Messenger imprisoned them. Then the Prophet went out into the marketplace of Medina (it is still its marketplace today), and he had trenches dug in it. He sent for the Jewish men and had them beheaded in those trenches. They were brought out to him in batches. They numbered 800 to 900 boys and men."

Bukhari B#62, #137 Narrated Abu Said Al-Khudri: We got female captives in the war booty and we used to do coitus interruptus with them.
http://www.falseprophetmuhammad.com/jesus_or_muhammad.htm#beheading_children

It is Satan's spirit of antichrist that prevents Muslims from recognizing that the most demonic behavior that men can engage in as demonstrated by those verses, is inspired by Satan himself, my friend. It is Satan that prevents you from being able to put yourself in the shoes of those poor little innocent Christian girls that have been raped and pressed into sexual slavery. It is just stunning that all the worst possible deeds that men are capable of doing, Muslims must consider to be good and of God, while all the best that God inspires people to do must be considered evil and a target for murder.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TfjYeQzCwzU
Muhammad's followers reality is an inversion of truth since evil things must be considered good, while good things must be considered to be evil.

But it doesn't have to be that way my friend. You don't have to follow those men and Satan's messenger to hell. You can repent and ask Jesus Christ to come into your heart and into your life today. You can be born again, and given a new heart.
You could die this very day. Forever is a very long time my friend:

Rev 20:10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8lEro81ygXQ

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Re: I am muslim, and i want to asq some questions
« Reply #20 on: December 03, 2015, 08:14:29 AM »
Muhammed was a pagan Arab from a family of desert dwelling occultists. 
Who knows who or what he was talking to in that lonely cave? Whatever it was, it seemed to scare the life out of him...
Of all the 360 idols in the Ka'ba, why was one, a mysterious black stone, the only one kept?

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« Reply #21 on: December 13, 2015, 06:19:05 AM »
Mark 8:27-30New International Version (NIV)
(Peter Declares That Jesus Is the Messiah)
27 Jesus and his disciples went on to the villages around Caesarea Philippi. On the way he asked them, “Who do people say I am?”
28 They replied, “Some say John the Baptist; others say Elijah; and still others, one of the prophets.”
29 “But what about you?” he asked. “Who do you say I am?” Peter answered, “You are the Messiah.”
30 Jesus warned them not to tell anyone about him.

no there is no evidence that Jesus was the Messiah.
why he warned his closest disciples not to tell anyone about him?

it is untintkable that a prophet sent by God hid his identity. he had never hidden he was prophet, he had never made objetions about his quality of prophet . why especially rejected he was the Messiah.




You need to consider why is the Messiah being so deliberately mysterious over His identity? Why does He confide in the disciples (via an obvious yet tacit admission) but not others generally? You might surprise yourself if you genuinely commit to pondering this. I hope so anyway!

there is nothing mysterious. Jesus was Elias who came to annouce the Messiah.

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Re: I am muslim, and i want to asq some questions
« Reply #22 on: December 13, 2015, 06:30:25 AM »

Again, your argument isn't with me, but with the Quran, Hadith, your Imam, Ahmed Deedat, Zakir Naik, Yousuf Estes and a near unanimity of the 1.5 billion other Muslims. About the only thing your argument agrees with, is the 16th century Muslim forgery of the so-called Gospel of Barnabas.
have not breathed a word of the Gospel of Barnabas .

I use your canonical Gospel.
« Last Edit: December 13, 2015, 06:53:28 AM by PeteWaldo »

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Re: I am muslim, and i want to asq some questions
« Reply #23 on: December 13, 2015, 06:38:04 AM »
Bukhari:V5B59N448 "They then surrendered to the Prophet's judgment but he directed them to Sa'd to give the verdict. Sad said, 'I give my judgment that their men should be killed, their women and children should be taken as captives, and their properties distributed.'"
Muhammed ( SAWS) was a head of state in addition he was prophet of God.

a state assumes the interest.

these Jews you speak of committed  the great treason. so they deserve exemplary punishment

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Re: I am muslim, and i want to asq some questions
« Reply #24 on: December 13, 2015, 06:51:56 AM »
Bahous I'm sorry, but I goofed up your post. Rather than push the "quote" button, I pushed the "modify" button to reply, so I erased the second part of your post in the process. I've only made that mistake on 2 or 3 other occasions in the last 7 years or so.
 So sorry, however the rest of your post was just a repeat of what you have already posted, that had already been responded to.
Here was my reply:


Again, your argument isn't with me, but with the Quran, Hadith, your Imam, Ahmed Deedat, Zakir Naik, Yousuf Estes and a near unanimity of the 1.5 billion other Muslims. About the only thing your argument agrees with, is the 16th century Muslim forgery of the so-called Gospel of Barnabas.
have not breathed a word of the Gospel of Barnabas .

I use your canonical Gospel.

You're not fooling anybody but yourself my friend. If you had ever read the Gospel you would know that the WHOLE SUBJECT of the Gospel is the crucifixion, death and resurrection of Jesus Christ, the sacrifice of the Lamb of God, who saves all from dying in our sins through faith His shed blood. There is nothing more important than that. The very thing that Satan, through his "messenger" forces THE false prophet Muhammad's followers to DISbelieve. Can you see that? The father of lies didn't teach you what to believe, but rather specifically what to DISbelieve.
http://www.islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=1175.0

You're wasting time. You could die in a car wreck this very day as a blasphemy spewing antichrist.....

1 John 2:22 ..... He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son. 23 Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father.....

Quran Surah 19:88 They say: "(Allah) Most Gracious has begotten a son!" 89 Indeed ye have put forth a thing most monstrous!

........ and stand in judgment before the very Son of God that Satan, through his messenger, compels you to deny:

John 5:22 For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son:

Forever is a very long time, my friend:

Rev 20:10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8lEro81ygXQ

Since you claim to have some familiarity with the Gospel, what are the two most important commandments that Christians are given?