Video discussion with FoA - Video Dirks on Deen

[Peter]

7-27 someone sent me a link that has open comments and video responses. see post below.

The following video link was sent to me by FoA in brotherjw channel comments: http://www.youtube.com/user/brotherjw

video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LQFXuZRLMTY
As I mentioned khalifahklothing is a censor who can't stand the light of truth, so comments on his videos that contain truth will never leave the "comment pending approval" status, like so many other lost YouTube Muslims.
My frustration over not being able to answer to the lies in Muslim videos, is part of the reason I accepted your challenge to watch the video. So I could comment on it here, since khalifahklothing will not post truth.
But I have never had to warn or block a user, or remove a single post from my YouTube channels, or from this forum. Why do you suppose that is?

Let's start at the beginning and his discussion of "peace be unto you".
Here are all the verses in the KJV that contain the terms "peace be unto you"
http://www.blueletterbible.org/search/translationResults.cfm?Criteria=%22peace+be+unto+you%22&t=KJV&sf=5

Certainly nothing wrong with the greeting as the 4 verses attest. But when Muslims do it because they are compelled to, like automatons, it becomes trite and meaningless. Just like the meaninglessness of repetetive prayer.
Muslims do lots of things like that, through presumption that results in routine, often running EXACTLY CONTRARY TO specific instruction given in the Word of God, as in the case of prayer.

Mat 6:7 But when ye pray, use not vain repetitions, as the heathen [do]: for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking.

Why does Deen trim his beard when the man joining him says Mohammed instructed you to let it grow? Deen doesn't care what Mohammed instructed?

Then Deen goes on to discuss images of Jesus. There is a reason God's people are prohibited from making likenesses of things in heaven. For the same reason that Deen cites his false impressions from these very images he has seen (generally from the Roman Church) that are prohibited. For example, Jesus is usually depicted with quite long hair. Is that likely:

1Cr 11:14 Doth not even nature itself teach you, that, if a man have long hair, it is a shame unto him?

The guest admits that he never had a belief in the divinity of Jesus or the concept of the trinity. Thus he was never a Christian. God's Word is clear in these regards (concept bolded because the actual term "trinity" is a doctrinal term, or convenience, to simplify describing God and two ways He chose to manifest, or reveal, Himself to us.).

1Jo 5:7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.

Mat 28:18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth. 19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

You see? He was never a Christian. That's why he was so easily deceived by the false prophet.

Mar 13:22 For false Christs and FALSE PROPHETS shall rise, and shall shew signs and wonders, to seduce, IF [IT WERE] POSSIBLE, even the elect.

4:20 minute mark in the video

Regarding the concept of what has been dubbed the "trinity", Mohammed deceived you (or perhaps just that simpleminded). He pretended that God and His Spirit count as 2 Gods, for Christians, yet when Muslims believe in God and His Spirit it counts as one God.

Sura 16:102 Say, the Holy Spirit has brought the revelation from thy Lord in Truth, in order to strengthen those who believe, and as a Guide and Glad Tidings to Muslims.

Can you see how you were deceived?

Now my friend FoA, I posted the following on khalifahklothing's video, that is "pending approval":

"The guest was never a Christian, made obvious early on. Claimed to have read the bible but apparently not very well:

Matthew 28:18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, ALL POWER IS GIVEN UNTO ME IN HEAVEN AND IN EARTH. 19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

There's a declaration of divinity of Christ, and the concept of the trinity, in just these 2 consecutive verses."

FoA, what do you think the odds are that it will get posted?
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Regarding the "miracle" of Mohammed's illiteracy, he wasn't deaf and mute:
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=452.0

The guest says Mohammed couldn't have known about what he wrote because he was illiterate. But this is because of his own admission that he learned about Islam from non-Muslim scholars. If he had used Muslim scholars he would have learned about Jabr and Mohammed's tri-lingual Jewish secretary and the many Christians that Mohammed was surrounded by including slaves/wives.
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Being a doctor of psychology reinforces the obvious, that he thinks he found God with his head, as opposed to his heart:
http://www.islamandthetruth.com/christian_testimonies.htm
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His suggestion that he was an "atypical" (not typical) Christian is dishonest. He was never saved. The term he should have used is that he was a non-Christian. Lots of scholars read the bible but never become Christian.
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So Jesus was "just like all the other messengers". I guess that's why He was conceived by a virgin, by God. Just like all the other prophets must have been, eigh? http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=56.0
Who was Jesus father if not God? http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=316.0
So Muslims believe that all the other messengers were sinless too?
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Here's the funny part. They agree that Jesus was "the way the truth the life" as they put it "in His time". So then God is just that fickle? Then presumably God changed the way He revealed Himself over 1600 years, and 700 years later sent A SINGLE 7th century prophet that WAS and taught THE EXACT OPPOSITE: http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=148.0
A SINGLE prophet to exactly contradict all the messengers of the New Testament?

Even though Mohammed claimed he was confirming the scriptures before him:
http://www.islamandthetruth.com/

5:48 To thee We sent the Scripture in truth, confirming the scripture that came before it, and guarding it in safety:...

And that confirmation:

Sura 5:47 Let the PEOPLE OF THE GOSPEL JUDGE BY WHAT ALLAH HATH REVEALED THEREIN. If any do fail to judge by (the light of) what Allah hath revealed, they are (no better than) those who rebel.                                    

Sura 5:68 Say: "O People of the Book! ye have no ground to stand upon unless ye STAND FAST BY the Law, THE GOSPEL, and ALL THE REVELATION that has come to you from YOUR Lord."

Sura 4:136 O ye who believe! BELIEVE IN Allah and His Messenger, and the scripture which He hath sent to His Messenger and THE SCRIPTURE WHICH HE SENT TO THOSE BEFORE (HIM). ANY WHO DENIETH Allah, His angels, HIS BOOKS, HIS MESSENGERS, and the Day of Judgment, HATH GONE FAR, FAR ASTRAY.

Which include Jesus death and resurrection - at least according to Jesus as Mohammed reported:

Surah 19:33 "So peace is on me the day I was born, the day that I die, and the day that I shall be raised up to life (again)"! 34 Such (was) Jesus the son of Mary: (it is) a statement of truth, about which they (vainly) dispute.

The fact is Muslims MUST REJECT ALL of the New Testament messengers and THE WHOLE SUBJECT of the New Testament to follow Mohammed.
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Deen: "Mohammed confirmed all the other messengers that came before him."
This guy really did drink the Kool-Aid.
Mohammed taught THE OPPOSITE OF ALL the messengers of the New Testament. Mohammed replaced the words of the Old Testament prophets with Hebrew fables and such that he got from his secretary and twisted fake things about Jesus from Jabr.

Did Mohammed confirm this:
Mat 28:18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, ALL POWER IS GIVEN UNTO ME IN HEAVEN AND IN EARTH. 19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

Is that how Muslims baptize? Did Mohammed confirm that all power in heaven and earth is in Jesus' hands?
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Regarding the 5 pillars and salat, Islam is always the opposite:

Matthew 6:7 But when ye pray, use not vain repetitions, as the heathen [do]: for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking.  

It's about a relationship, not vain repetition, and constant communication with God through the Holy Spirit.

1Thessalonians 5:17 Pray without ceasing.
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Now we get to it. Books and lectures. Same parading and fame and fortune as other so-called "converts" like Yusuf Estes who himself admitted he was never a Christian because he said that when in ministry he and his father put money before ministry. It is so sad that so many are deceived by these liars.

You see YoA, the reason you like Deen is his knack for making it seem fun to reject ALL of the messengers of the bible and walk in the spirit of antichrist by following Mohammed.
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Guest says "To become a Muslim you don't have to give up your national identity or your cultural identity...."

But as we all know, for a Muslim to become a Christian you give up your family, friends, job, inheritance and in many countries your life, since the penalty for apostasy is death.

He claimed "...and the bible is one of the paths to Islam..."
But that is exactly backwards. The bible is the path OUT OF ISLAM.
Perhaps 90% of Muslim testimonies are the result of having just picked up a bible and started to read it. Have you?
Here's the same version Deedat used to quote from: http://www.islamandthetruth.com/gospel_of_john.htm
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Claimed "we are talking the same language" but this is a flat out lie. Islam is THE OPPOSITE:

1John 2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? HE IS ANTICHRIST, THAT DENIETH the Father and THE SON. 23 WHOSOEVER DENIETH THE SON, THE SAME HATH NOT THE FATHER:

But it's not me that made him a liar:

1Jo 5:10  He that BELIEVETH ON THE SON OF GOD hath the witness in himself: HE THAT BELIEVETH NOT GOD HATH MADE HIM A LIAR; because HE BELIEVED NOT THE RECORD that God gave OF HIS SON.
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Deen credits him with having in-depth knowledge of the bible, but we can see from the two verses above that this is simply untrue.

[Peter]

OK FoA. First question (aas I also posed it in both of our channel comments and khalifahklothing's video):

Sura 16:102 Say, the Holy Spirit has brought the revelation from thy Lord in Truth, in order to strengthen those who believe, and as a Guide and Glad Tidings to Muslims.
Sura 32:9 But He fashioned him in due proportion, and breathed into him something OF HIS SPIRIT. And He gave you (the faculties of) hearing and sight and feeling (and understanding): little? thanks do ye give!

Does God have a Spirit?
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I also posted this much of this post on the coward's video that is also "pending approval""
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LQFXuZRLMTY

"Sura 16:102 Say, the Holy Spirit has brought the revelation from thy Lord in Truth, in order to strengthen those who believe, and as a Guide and Glad Tidings to Muslims.
Sura 32:9 But He fashioned him in due proportion, and breathed into him something OF HIS SPIRIT. And He gave you (the faculties of) hearing and sight and feeling (and understanding): little? thanks do ye give!

Does God have a Spirit?"

[Peter]

Second question after you answer God's Spirit question.
You and I believe that Mary conceived Jesus as a virgin. You and I both know that a woman cannot impregnate herself.
Who then, is Jesus' father?

[Peter]

Third question after you answer the first two.

Surah 19:33 "So peace is on me the day I was born, the day that I die, and the day that I shall be raised up to life (again)"! 34 Such (was) Jesus the son of Mary: (it is) a statement of truth, about which they (vainly) dispute.

Is that a statement of truth as it says it is, or not?

[Peter]

Does God have a Spirit?

FoA replies to this question, copy and pasted from my channel:

32:9 Then He fashioned him in due proportion, and breathed into him the soul (created by Allah for that person), and He gave you hearing (ears), sight (eyes) and hearts. Little is the thanks you give!

The "Holy Spirit" is Angel Gabriel. God does not have a "spirit"
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112. Surah Al-Ikhlaas or At-Tauhid (The Purity)

1. Say (O Muhammad ()): "He is Allah, (the) One.

2. "Allah-us-Samad (The Self-Sufficient Master, Whom all creatures need, He neither eats nor drinks).

3. "He begets not, nor was He begotten;

4. "And there is none co-equal or comparable unto Him."
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wont let me paste 1 comment, check my page.
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Additionally from his page as requested:
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16:102. Say (O Muhammad ) Ruh-ul-Qudus [Jibrael (Gabriel)] has brought it (the Qur'an) down from your Lord with truth, that it may make firm and strengthen (the Faith of) those who believe and as a guidance and glad tidings to those who have submitted (to Allah as Muslims).

The Holy Spirit is Angel Gabriel.

[Peter]

Pete's reply:

You wrote: "The "Holy Spirit"? is Angel Gabriel. God does not have a "spirit"."

Sura 32:9 But He fashioned him in due proportion, and breathed into him something OF HIS SPIRIT..."

Of WHOSE Spirit?

You're saying the Angel Gabriel "fashioned him in due proportion, and breathed into him something OF HIS SPIRIT."

PS I'm looking forward to your joining me for the video discussion here: brotherpete. com/index. php?topic=488.0

[Peter]

FoA's reply:

Dude, if u dont wanna read and mis-interpret what i post, you can burn in Hell for all i care man.... Audios!

[Peter]

Pete's replies:

It isn't about what you post. It's about what the Quran SAYS:
"...fashioned him in due proportion, and breathed into him something OF HIS SPIRIT..."

You know as well as I that the "HIS" of that verse is the same one that "fashioned him in due? proportion" of that verse.
That HIS is your Allah. SOMETHING OF ALLAH'S SPIRIT.
But you deny that Allah has a spirit. Isn't that peculiar? Why?
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That's peculiar.
When I went to post that last comment on your channel, there was no blank to post it into.
I don't suppose you blocked me would you?

[Peter]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dOZSrPF5GNo

Video response:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=14IlPsZlks8&feature=response_watch


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Why does he pick on Paul?
Matthew 28:18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying,? ALL POWER IS GIVEN UNTO ME IN HEAVEN AND IN EARTH. 19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

John 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

1John 2:22..HE IS ANTICHRIST, THAT DENIETH the Father and THE SON. 23 WHOSOEVER DENIETH THE SON, THE SAME HATH NOT THE FATHER:
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"Those lost in conjecture will always be like you challenging me on the basis of CONJECTURE."

I cited scripture to show a Christian can't be fooled by a false prophet.
God's people have followed? Him for 3500 years through His record.
That Muslims have to reject the 1600 year record of God to mankind, for Mohammed's 23 year 7th century record is a matter of fact not conjecture.
It's an IMPOSSIBILITY to follow both.
For Muslims that don't share Alan's fear:

brotherpete. com/index. php?board=12.0
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"I for one have no need to debate you..."
Debate is the lair of? liars.
I proposed discussion in a format where we could proceed thoughtfully over time - but you certainly aren't alone in your fear.

"Islam is closest in practice and monotheism tot he Israelite religion."

When did Muslims start following the 613 mitzvot (commandments) of Judaism?
See how preposterous your notion is?

Folks will convert to Islam, just not Christians. Perhaps a few deluded posers like the poor fellow above.
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Islam is closest in practice and monotheism tot he Israelite religion, ISlam is the closest to the Christians becuase we honour the Israelite Messiah - Al Masih Jesus (pbuh)? and his honourable mother. Those seeking consistency in the montheistic faith find it in Islam - regardless of the MISTRANSLATION and MISINFORMATION you knowingly will convey against Islam. Like it or not people are reverting to Islam therefore there is a flaw in your BIBLE BASHING argument!!.
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Those who are troubled with Christianity and seek logical answers to their frustration? will always find that logic in Islam. Those lost in conjecture will always be like you challenging me on the basis of CONJECTURE.
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How can you defend Jesus?

When the Israelite Jesus came for a specific mission, lived a specific way of life YET it is all changed when we analyse the Pauline Christianity. I for one have no need to debate you, I have debated many Bible Bashers here but? you do not reason to logic nor do you reason to Reason but you RESORT to CONJECTURE
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The 1600 year record of God to mankind through ALL of the prophets and apostles must necessarily be considered "nonsense" to someone? who follows Mohammed's 7th century stand-alone 23 year record.
If you think you can defend Mohammed please join me here:
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Mash Allah - in the last 10 years I? have seen so many reverts in comparison to 1990's. It is amazing... It is like Qu'ran says there is NO COMPULSION in religion and the TRUTH STANDS firm alone.
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Someone else had sent me? this video so I explored it in detail, for the YouTuber that sent it to me, here:
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Someone else had? sent me this video so I explored it in detail, for the YouTuber that sent it to me, here:
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Someone else had sent me this video, but it was uploaded by khalifahklothing, who censors truth and won't? post my comments on his videos, so I explored this video in detail, for the YouTuber that sent it to me, here:
brotherpete. com/index. php?topic=488.0
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Probably becuase you post? nonsense...
ever looked at the nonsense you post.
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I have heard this brother before he is very humble.

Similar reversion was? Sheikh Yusuf Estes who also was a protestant minister.

Subhan Allah
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By his own admission Yusuf Estes was NEVER a Christian, since he said he and his father put money before ministry.
Luk 16:13 .... Ye cannot serve God and mammon.

Plus it's not possible for a Christian to be deceived by a false prophet:

Mar 13:22 For false Christs and FALSE PROPHETS shall rise, and shall shew signs and wonders, to seduce, IF [IT WERE] POSSIBLE, even the elect.

Come explore it with me:
brotherpete. com/index. php?board=12.0

Copy? & paste and remove spaces after dots.
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LOL now your denying Yusuf estes was ever a christian.

Good point now join the dots? and realise Jesus (pbuh) was never a Christian also.

Keep looking into it. And what a feeble comment oh please... on your basis how many actually Christians are there in this world
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Mash Allah -?
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Does Allah forgive shirk? Shirk is considered the worst of all sins, but the author of the Qur'an seems unable to decide if Allah will ever forgive it or not. No [4:48, 116], Yes [4:153, 25:68-71]. Abraham committed this sin of polytheism as he takes moon, sun,? stars to be his Lord [6:76-78], yet Muslims believe that all prophets are without any sin.
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Abraham committed sin before his prophethood on accepting the religion of Islam through knowledge gained directly from ALlah Azuwajjal his past sins are forbidden but Abrahamw as? not of the idol worshippers.
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On the one hand, the Quran commands all Muslims to show kindness to their parents, even if they are disbelievers [17:23-24,? 31:14-15, 29:8, etc.]. On the other hand, it demands not to show any love or friendship to those who oppose Muhammad, even if they are their parents [9:23, 58:22].