Until you can become honest enough to engage in an exchange, and answer as to whether you are JW or not, please do not post further. It's much easier to have a discussion when I know where a person is coming from.
However if you do return, and answer that simple question, and/or for any forum browsers that may come later that ponder your posts, in simple answer to all of your prior false presumptions regarding Jesus being "created" as a result of His birth:
John 17:5
And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.Gen 1:26
And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.In answer to whether Christ was
equal with God, Christ
IS God, manifest in the flesh, as declared by that first chapter of John.
John 1:1 I
n the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 The same was in the beginning with God. 3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.1Ti 3:16
And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.was manifest
New Testament Greek Definition:
5319
phaneroo {fan-er-o'-o}
from 5318; TDNT - 9:3,1244; v
AV - make manifest 19, appear 12, manifest 9, show 3, be manifest 2,
show (one's) self 2, manifestly declare 1, manifest forth 1; 49
1)
to make manifest or visible or known what has been hidden or unknown,to manifest, whether by words, or deeds, or in any other way
1a)
make actual and visible, realised1b) to make known by teaching
1c)
to become manifest, be made known1d)
of a person1d1)
expose to view, make manifest, to show one's self, appear1e) to become known, to be plainly recognised, thoroughly understood
1e1) who and what one is
http://www.islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=2349.msg9786#msg9786Father, Son, Spirit - all
ONE.
And as Jesus Himself stated:
John 10:30
I and my Father are one. 31Then the Jews took up stones again to stone him.The Koine Greek word for "one" being neuter gender, meaning of one essence or one being. The Jews wanted to stone Him for that declaration of divinity. Jesus declared His divinity several times.
http://www.islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=108.0Through the flesh of Jesus Christ is how God chose to manifest (or reveal) Himself as John 1 indicates. And that wasn't the first time He had done such a thing. Our great God Yahweh chose to reveal Himself as a man in the flesh to Abraham as well.
http://www.islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=2349.0All of the verses you quoted in that thread contradict Christendom's Trinity.
I guess it isn't hard to understand why you seem to consider yourself to be outside of "Christiendom".
