Did you notice how you shifted from your obligation to explain how women whose husbands, sons and fathers were beheaded, would desire to have sex with the men responsible for murdering them, to instead justifying the rape and sexual slavery of those women and little girls?
Again, you are twisting and misrepresenting my arguments. I never justified rape and sexual slavery, nor have I implied that these acts are of God and not Satan.
I appreciate the transparent effort, but we are discussing rape of and sex with captives and slaves, not widows.
They were never forced into marriage, so "captives" and "slaves" are not the right words to describe them,........
Perhaps uncomfortable words for you (as would be the case for any person that is not a moral reprobate) because of the obvious implication, but your claim they are "not the right words" is obviously incorrect since
"captive" and "slave" are exactly the words used in the hadiths that describe what Muhammad and his boys did to the captive women and girls of the men that they slaughtered. Read them again, but this time try imagining you are one of the women or little girls, whose husband, son, brother and/or father were beheaded by Muhammad and his boys:
Narrated Abu Said Al-Khudri: that while he was sitting with Allah's Apostle he said, "O Allah's Apostle! We get female captives as our share of booty, and we are interested in their prices, what is your opinion about coitus interrupt us?" The Prophet said, "Do you really do that? It is better for you not to do it. No soul that which Allah has destined to exist, but will surely come into existence. (Book #34, Hadith #432)
Narrated Ibn Muhairiz: I saw Abu Said and asked him about coitus interruptus. Abu Said said, "We went with Allah's Apostle, in the Ghazwa of Barli Al-Mustaliq and we captured some of the 'Arabs as captives, and the long separation from our wives was pressing us hard and we wanted to practice coitus interruptus. We asked Allah's Apostle (whether it was permissible). He said, "It is better for you not to do so. No soul, (that which Allah has) destined to exist, up to the Day of Resurrection, but will definitely come, into existence." (Book #46, Hadith #718)
Narrated Ibn Muhairiz: I entered the Mosque and saw Abu Said Al-Khudri and sat beside him and asked him about Al-Azl (i.e. coitus interruptus). Abu Said said, "We went out with Allah's Apostle for the Ghazwa of Banu Al-Mustaliq and we received captives from among the Arab captives and we desired women and celibacy became hard on us and we loved to do coitus interruptus. So when we intended to do coitus interrupt us, we said, 'How can we do coitus interruptus before asking Allah's Apostle who is present among us?" We asked (him) about it and he said, 'It is better for you not to do so, for if any soul (till the Day of Resurrection) is predestined to exist, it will exist." (Book #59, Hadith #459)
Narrated Abu Said Al-Khudri: We got female captives in the war booty and we used to do coitus interruptus with them. So we asked Allah's Apostle about it and he said, "Do you really do that?" repeating the question thrice, "There is no soul that is destined to exist but will come into existence, till the Day of Resurrection." (Book #62, Hadith #137)
Narrated Abu Said Al-Khudri: That while he was sitting with the Prophet a man from the Ansar came and said, "O Allah's Apostle! We get slave girls from the war captives and we love property; what do you think about coitus interruptus?" Allah's Apostle said, "Do you do that? It is better for you not to do it, for there is no soul which Allah has ordained to come into existence but will be created." (Book #77, Hadith #600)
Narrated Abu Said Al-Khudri: That during the battle with Bani Al-Mustaliq they (Muslims) captured some females and intended to have sexual relation with them without impregnating them. So they asked the Prophet about coitus interrupt us. The Prophet said, "It is better that you should not do it, for Allah has written whom He is going to create till the Day of Resurrection." Qaza'a said, "I heard Abu Sa'id saying that the Prophet said, 'No soul is ordained to be created but Allah will create it." (Book #93, Hadith #506)
Muhammad obviously discouraging coitus interruptus, thereby encouraging his followers to complete the sex act, since he went on to discuss the children that "Allah" would "create" from their sex with the captives.
And those are just the hadiths that contain the term "coitus"! Check out a search for the term "captives" here:http://www.searchtruth.com/searchHadith.php?keyword=captives&translator=1&search=1&book=&start=0&records_display=10&search_word=allTo give you a sense of the ugly truth of what went on:
We conquered Khaibar, took the captives, and the booty was collected. Dihya came and said, 'O Allah's Prophet! Give me a slave girl from the captives. ' The Prophet said, 'Go and take any slave girl.' (Book #8, Hadith #367)
So how different from that is The Islamic State's imperialistic conquest, rape (err, sex with)
and sexual slavery of their captive women and girls, as well as selling them off into slavery?
Tabari VIII:39
"Then the Messenger of Allah sent Sa'd bin Zayd with some of the Qurayza captives to Najd, and in exchange for them he purchased horses and arms."Surah 33:26
"Allah took down the People of the Scripture Book. He cast terror into their hearts. Some you slew, and some you made prisoners. And He made you heirs of their lands, their houses, and their goods, giving you a land which you had not traversed before. And Allah has power over all things."Except it was Muhammad that "took down the People of the Scripture Book" - unless you prefer to believe that your "Allah" was the terrorist, slaver, thief.
Indeed slavery has been a continuous Islamic practice for 1400 years. African slaves were captured and pressed into service in the Middle East right on through most of the 20th century, until Islamic countries finally felt they had to at least put on the appearance of conforming to international norms. As evidenced by the fact that slavery wasn't banned in Saudi Arabia and Yemen until 1962, UAE 1963, and Oman not until 1970. The reason being of course, as you and I both know, the Quran will forever license the practice slavery:
http://www.falseprophetmuhammad.com/islamic_slavery_dhimmitude.htm#islamic_practice_of_slaveryAnd not just of those slaves captured, but as Winston Churchill well observed over a hundred years ago: "The fact that in Mohammedan law every woman must belong to some man as his absolute property, either as a child, a wife, or a concubine, must delay the final extinction of slavery until the faith of Islam has ceased to be a great power among men."
http://www.beholdthebeast.com/#winston_churchill........ let alone the idea that they were "raped" which you gave no evidence for.
Your books provide the conspicuous evidence. To believe that those captive women whose whole village of men and post-pubescent boys were beheaded,
would then desire to have sex with the very men responsible for beheading their husbands, sons, fathers and grandfathers, would require the very epitome of a reprobate mind.
You are further confirming what I have observed, which is that Islam removes the capacity of its male victims to empathize with others, and particularly in regard to women.
And so rather than your earlier belief, you now seem to have been converted into believing that having sex with captives and slaves would be of God and not Satan. So why would you fault The Islamic State for doing as Muhammad and his follower's did? Isn't Muhammad supposed to be the example you Muslims are supposed to follow?
See my first comment in this post. Again, you are trying to force me into a position that you know that I don't agree with. But sorry, Pete, it's not gonna work.
I'm sorry my friend, but you forced yourself into that position, by being a follower of Muhammad. You obviously can't have it both ways.
To suggest it was not rape would require a woman desiring to have sex with the men holding them captive, that were responsible for beheading her father, husband and many relatives (which you stunningly even tried to suggest was the case!).
It might be constructive for you to watch a video of a beheading on YouTube - to get a sense of what the women witnessed - as you contemplate Muhammad's beheading of the peaceful, faithful, Banu Qurayza farm boys and their dads and grandpas.
As far as I'm concerned we covered the subject of the treatment of female captives pretty well, but if you would like to reply further, you are of course more than welcome to do so.
Otherwise let's move on to the subject of thievery.
