Retitled: PotatoMuslim on "Just for the record"

[PeteWaldo]

Reply moved from the spam section after I found time to begin to address the spam blizzard.

Here, I am going to re-post my replies to PeteWaldo's replies to me which were all moved to the spam section. Then, I will save this entire thread in the Wayback Machine website, and then I will delete all of my replies except for this post.

I will do this because I know that PeteWaldo may sooner or later delete all of my posts from the spam section as well, per the rules of that section. However, when asked why my posts were moved to spam, he gave multiple reasons such as the following:

1.  I reintroduced myself "through a lack of civility and insults."
2.  I'm running away "without engaging in an exchange."
3. I should focus on the most important subject (which, by the way, is a subject different from the subject of the thread that I replied in, which is about Mecca).
4.  I should include just a point or two in my replies.

Number 4 constituting your going back on the agreement you made when you joined the forum, that resulted in your thread being moved to spam.
http://www.islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=35.msg44#msg44

None of the claims are sound, however. First of all, I'd say about 99% of my comments there were constructive input and not insults, overall. Secondly, although I planned to leave the forum (and I will do so very soon), that doesn't negate the fact that I did engage in an exchange already. I've already given abundant replies, and that counts as an exchange, whether I wish to continue or not. Thirdly, PeteWaldo said that I should focus on the most important subject - which deals with what the whole subject of the Gospel is - even though I posted in a thread that deals with the history of Mecca. If I wanted to discuss the scriptures and the Gospels, then I could have posted in a relevant thread. But I wanted to discuss Mecca, and that's why I initially replied in a thread which deals with this very topic. So, it is not fair to try to talk me into a different subject.

The reason I wanted to include that subject is because we are so desperate for you, my friend, and could-become brother. Everything you posted, or anything to do with details or tangents, will continue to be a distraction and useless waste of your/our time, until you fully come to terms with the fact that the false prophet Muhammad has convinced you to reject the whole subject of the Gospel and renders you an antichrist that denies and blasphemes the Son of God. By comparison, nothing else matters.
http://www.falseprophetmuhammad.com/

Yet, I still responded to those points, in a clean, thorough, and well-thought out manner. Fourthly, I did include many points in my replies,........

Again, which is why they were moved to spam.

......but they are all related to the particular comments that I am addressing. And, in order give a "substantive" reply, sometimes just a few points are not enough.

Then perhaps you should have inquired, or chanced adding a few more in a gradual escalation, rather than copy and pasting an eight, giant, successive post spam blizzard, while indicated you were going to to post and then run away from it.
You have posted enough in here to have been given increasing latitude. But rather than posting any one of those eight giant panels, and then waiting for a response, you spammed them in as replies to your own posts with a plan of then running away from the truth which would inevitably ensue.

So the main reason, I believe, that PeteWaldo moved my posts to the spam is because he doesn't want other people to see that I actually replied to his points.

And so, in order to disabuse anyone of that false impression, I have been gracious enough to begin responding to the entirety of your spam blizzard.
But be forewarned, if you try it again, any such activity will be deleted out of hand. No spam section stop-off and no more squandered time in discussion about it.

And don't even think about adding new threads or additional topics until we have thoroughly discussed the mountain of spam you already posted or it will meet the same fate.

Moreover, he is too embarrassed to let others see how badly I schooled him on the history of Mecca, how badly I refuted and trashed his ingenious "geographical impossibility" line of argument.

But as the threads develop, folks will be able to judge for themselves, as to the veracity of your claim and the in fact demographic and geographical impossibility, let alone unhistorical absurdity, of Islamic so-called "tradition".
http://www.falseprophetmuhammad.com/seed_ishmael_ishmaelites.htm#islamic_tradition

That's why he moved my posts to a non-public area, by making up reasons as an attempt to convince me and others that my posts are actually spam, which I am not convinced of at all.

It's simple. Spam because of the sheer volume while even proclaiming you were going to post and run from it.

Also, not surprisingly, he began replying to my points in this thread - relatively quickly - but it seems there was a certain part in the first part of my posts which put a brake on him. He stopped responding less than half-way through the first out of six posts.

But as all can now readily see, when I found the time, I laboriously went on to complete it:
http://www.islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=4979.0

I doubt he'll be able to make it all the way through. So, out of an incompetence to refute all my comments, he prefers to hide them as "spam."

Ironically, PeteWaldo seems to love mentioning how Muslims here have ignored or failed to answer some of his points, which he claims is typical of Muslims. When someone ignores something he wrote, he starts to mock and badger them with comments like "Maybe you can stop running and hiding from our questions like a scared little girl!" Members even get warned and banned for ignoring questions. Yet, regarding the history of Mecca, I have posted many, many replies - piece by piece - with quotes, links, academic sources, scientific research on the ancient landscape of Arabia, explanations, etc., and PeteWaldo has replied to just a very small fraction of what I posted.

That's because no matter how much time you spend trying and vainly wishing, you will never be able to move Mecca one inch closer than 1,000 KM away from THE Holy Land of the prophets and patriarchs where the ONE true God Yahweh had His people build His temple.
http://www.historyofmecca.com/#temple_mount

I've invested a lot of time and effort in composing my replies, and not only did he not reply to most of my posts on the subject (i.e. about Mecca),.......

You post a mass of spam, and then lodge accusation that some parts of it may not have been replied to. Typical. If you had, and will, focus on a point or two and we don't reply, then your can make that accusation in honesty rather than dishonestly.

.......but he even locked and moved all my posts to the spam section.

The threads are locked to promote organized exchange in those threads that are open, to avoid a spam blizzard of posting in thread after thread nearly simultaneously, as is also an MO of Muslims, in order to escape from and try to bury those questions that give them difficulty.
http://www.islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=4981.msg19182#msg19182

If he kept my posts in a public section of the forum, he knows that his calling out of other members' rule violations will then look hypocritical, since he himself has ignored so many things that I posted.

That being said, I know all these comments may also get moved to spam and/or deleted.

The posts w/reply are in fact going to be moved to the main part of the forum, to become part of the permanent record.

But, either way, it doesn't matter now, because I will have all my "spam" posts archived and I will be able to post a link to that as an evidence of PeteWaldo's (ineffective) lies against me.

False accusation is of course also within the MO of Muhammad's followers.

I know some other forums that he goes to and I might show those members over there the link, if an opportune time arises.

But if you present the link, without providing links and pointing out that I responded, it would positively identify you as being dishonest, that all who follow will be able to confirm by copy and pasting a chunk of text into Bing to find the replies. Your showing others will offer the added benefit of providing promotion for our forum, which would be appreciated.

In the future, maybe I'll even PM the link to some Muslim members that come to this forum (although I will not post anymore), just to show them how bad his arguments are. I can also use it for future reference if needed.

We would appreciate it very much if you would send others here to speak for you. Particularly if you can find some Imams or Muftis willing to do so.

It doesn't even matter if I get banned at this moment, because I have the evidence to show that PeteWaldo's claims that I "spammed" and "ignored" his replies is a lie.

The rule (that was instituted after many years once Muhammad's followers increasingly came and copy and pasted massive volumes of tripe, and then ran away from accountability for it - in other words exactly what you admitted was your plan.)
If you aren't ignoring replies as you claim, then why don't you pick up where we left off:
http://www.islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=4981.msg19182#msg19182

Why not provide a link to your participation in 2013 in which you did the same?
http://www.islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=3631.msg14819#msg14819

And if he deletes the link that I'm going to put up here (after saving the page), then that again only further proves that he can't defend what he's been saying about me. If he wants others to know whether I spammed or not, then he should leave the link as it is. I will see if he is honest enough for this challenge.

The burden is on you, my friend, to be honest enough to present the links to my threads that reply to your archived spamming, or be guilty of engaging in the half-truths of Islamic dissimulation/taqiyyah.

EDIT: Archiving complete, and here is the link:

https://web.archive.org/web/20160513221812/http://www.islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=4970.0

And here are links to the replies to every bit of that content:

http://www.islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=4979.0
http://www.islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=4995.0
http://www.islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=4997.0
http://www.islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=4993.0
http://www.islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=4989.0
http://www.islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=4985.0
http://www.islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=4986.0
http://www.islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=4991.0
http://www.islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=4983.0
http://www.islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=4969.0
http://www.islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=4981.0
http://www.islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=5001.0
http://www.islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=5002.0