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The Temple of God
« on: August 07, 2009, 03:23:42 PM »
John 2:19 Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.  20 Then said the Jews, Forty and six years was this temple in building, and wilt thou rear it up in three days? 21 But he spake of the temple of his body. 22 When therefore he was risen from the dead, his disciples remembered that he had said this unto them; and they believed the scripture, and the word which Jesus had said.

Jesus rebuilt the temple in three days, just as He promised. That temple is Jesus' body, rebuilt as the corporate body of Christ, through His crucifixion, death and resurrection.

The following also suggests that the temple of God is the corporate body of Christ:

Ephesians 2:19 Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God; 20 And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner [stone]; 21 In whom all the building fitly framed together groweth unto an holy temple in the Lord: 22 In whom ye also are builded together for an habitation of God through the Spirit.

Builded together "through the Spirit" we understand:

1Corinthians 6:19  What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost [which is] in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own?

So the "temple of God" is the corporate body of Christ, composed of regenerate individuals, through the Holy Ghost.

Strong's for the Greek term translated as "temple" in this and similar verses that refer to the body of Christ.
the temple
New Testament Greek Definition:
3485 naos {nah-os'}
from a primary naio (to dwell); TDNT - 4:880,625; n m
AV - temple 45, a shrine 1; 46
1) used of the temple at Jerusalem, but only of the sacred edifice
(or sanctuary) itself, consisting of the Holy place and the Holy
of Holies (in classical Greek it is used of the sanctuary or cell
of the temple, where the image of gold was placed which is
distinguished from the whole enclosure)
2) any heathen temple or shrine
3) metaph. the spiritual temple consisting of the saints of all ages
joined together by and in Christ


Following are all of the verses that include the term "temple of God":

Matthew 21:12 And Jesus went into the temple of God, and cast out all them that sold and bought in the temple, and overthrew the tables of the moneychangers, and the seats of them that sold doves,

The above verse is a reference to the literal temple that Jesus prophesied would be torn down - every stone - just as it was less than 40 years later.

Strong's for a different Greek term translated as "temple" in this and similar verses that refer to a physical temple.
the temple
New Testament Greek Definition:
2411 hieron {hee-er-on'}
from 2413; TDNT - 3:230,349; n n
AV - temple 71; 71
1) a sacred place, temple
1a) used of the temple of Artemis at Ephesus
1b) used of the temple at Jerusalem
The temple of Jerusalem consisted of the whole of the sacred
enclosure, embracing the entire aggregate of buildings, balconies,
porticos, courts (that is that of the men of Israel, that of the
women, and that of the priests), belonging to the temple; the latter
designates the sacred edifice properly so called, consisting of two
parts, the "sanctuary" or "Holy Place" (which no one except the
priests was allowed to enter), and the "Holy of Holies" or "the most
holy place" (which was entered only on the great day of atonement by
the high priest alone). Also there were the courts where Jesus or the
apostles taught or encountered adversaries, and the like, "in the
temple"; also the courts of the temple, of the Gentiles, out of which
Jesus drove the buyers and sellers and the money changers, court of
the women.

Matthew 26:61 And said, This [fellow] said, I am able to destroy the temple of God, and to build it in three days.

The corporate body of Christ. Further confirmed by the following:  

1 Corinthians 3:16 Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and [that] the Spirit of God dwelleth in you? 17 If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which [temple] ye are.

2 Corinthians 6:16 And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in [them]; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.

So the corporate body of Christ is the temple of God. The above is apparent and not open to interpretation.  

In the figurative language of John's vision in Revelation we find the final two verses that use the term "temple of God":

Revelation 11:1 And there was given me a reed like unto a rod: and the angel stood, saying, Rise, and measure the temple of God, and the altar, and them that worship therein.

John had this vision while banished on the penal colony on the Isle of Patmos.

Finally, in that same chapter:

Revelation 11:19 And the temple of God was opened in heaven, and there was seen in his temple the ark of his testament: and there were lightnings, and voices, and thunderings, and an earthquake, and great hail.

That's it.  The above are all the verses that use the term "temple of God".  

That final use of the term locates the temple of God of that verse in the heavenlies, which would be consistent with Ezekiel's account.

Ezekiel 43:7 And he said unto me, Son of man, the place of my throne, and the place of the soles of my feet, where I will dwell in the midst of the children of Israel for ever, and my holy name, shall the house of Israel no more defile, [neither] they, nor their kings, by their whoredom, nor by the carcases of their kings in their high places.

We have assurance that God does not dwell in temples made with hands:  

Acts 17:24 God that made the world and all things therein, seeing that he is Lord of heaven and earth, dwelleth not in temples made with hands;

Any future rebuilt temple would be desolate before it was ever built, by God's own design.

Hebrews 8:1 Now of the things which we have spoken [this is] the sum: We have such an high priest, who is set on the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in the heavens; 2 A minister of the sanctuary, and of the true tabernacle, which the Lord pitched, and not man.

We can now well understand where we should be on gard for that "man of sin":

2 Thessalonians 2:3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for [that day shall not come], except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition 4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

"...above all that is called God...":

John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

So it would seem we are left with no choice but to understand that the "man of sin" may be revealed in the corporate body of Christ, and perhaps even in an individual temple of the Holy Ghost.

For a Christian to suggest that a future "temple of God" is scriptural, would require believing that Jesus' finished work on the Cross, is incomplete and unfinished. Jesus warned the Pharisees of such:

Mark 7:13 Making the word of God of none effect through your tradition, which ye have delivered: and many such like things do ye.

Hebrews 8:13 In that he saith, A new [covenant], he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old [is] ready to vanish away.

Romans 1:16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.

Once we understand the location of the "temple of God", John Nelson Darby's mid-19th century futurist invention collapses.

That some Jews that may remain sovereignly blinded, and could have an interest in building a temple should not be a surprise. But as Christians we can readily see that the only "temple of God", ever since the Cross, is the one that Jesus Himself rebuilt in three days.

Anecdotally from Wikipedia:

"In 363, Emperor Julian II, on his way to engage Persia, stopped at the ruins of the Second Temple in Jerusalem. In keeping with his effort to foster religions other than Christianity, Julian ordered the Temple rebuilt. Sozomen (c. 400–450) in his Historia Ecclesiastica wrote this about the effort as did a personal friend of his, Ammianus Marcellinus:

    "Julian thought to rebuild at an extravagant expense the proud Temple once at Jerusalem, and committed this task to Alypius of Antioch. Alypius set vigorously to work, and was seconded by the governor of the province; when fearful balls of fire, breaking out near the foundations, continued their attacks, till the workmen, after repeated scorchings, could approach no more: and he gave up the attempt."

The failure to rebuild the Temple has been ascribed to the Galilee earthquake of 363, and to the Jews' ambivalence about the project. Sabotage is a possibility, as is an accidental fire. Divine intervention was the common view among Christian historians of the time.[11]"

Are we to believe that the Lord has any more interest in a rebuilt temple today then He did then?
 
"Dr. Harry Ironside of Moody Bible Institute, himself an ardent supporter of the Ribera-Lacunza-Macdonald-Darby-Scofield eschatological scheme, admitted in his Mysteries of God, p.50: ". . . until brought to the fore through the writings of . . . Mr. J. N. Darby, the doctrine taught by Dr. Scofield [i.e., the Seven-Year Tribulation theory] is scarcely to be found in a single book throughout a period of 1600 years. If any doubt this statement, let them search, as the writer has in measure done, the remarks of the so-called Fathers, both pre- and post-Nicene, the theological treatises of the scholastic divines . . . the literature of the reformation . . . the Puritans. He will find the 'mystery' conspicuous by its absence."

Job 8:8  For enquire, I pray thee, of the former age, and prepare thyself to the search of their fathers: 9  (For we [are but of] yesterday, and know nothing, because our days upon earth [are] a shadow:)

2 Timothy 4:3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; 4 And they shall turn away [their] ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.

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Re: The Temple of God
« Reply #1 on: October 21, 2009, 09:31:36 AM »
This was entered in a chat here:
http://pjmiller.wordpress.com/2009/10/04/ellis-skolfield-an-end-time-myth/#comment-23096

"A simple look into the original language used bears out what was being said. The Greek word used in describing a physical stone temple as the one that existed in Jerusalem is "hieron" (hee-er-on') 2411: meaning: a sacred place, temple, used of the temple of Artemis at Ephesus, used of the temple at Jerusalem

It is used 67 times in the NT in verses such as Matthew 21:12 speaking of the then standing stone temple;

And Jesus went into the temple (hieron) of God, and cast out all them that sold and bought in the temple (hieron), and overthrew the tables of the moneychangers, and the seats of them that sold doves,

Every time the physical stone temple is referred to the word "hieron" is used.

The Greek word that Paul used in 2 Thessalonians 2:4 speaking of the "temple of God" was not "hieron" but rather the word "naos" (nah-os') 3485: and means: used of the temple at Jerusalem, but only of the sacred edifice (or sanctuary) itself, the spiritual temple consisting of the saints of all ages joined together by and in Christ

Every time Jesus speaks of the holiest of holies ofr His body, the word "naos" is used, never "hieron." It is used 40 times in the NT and every time it speaks ONLY of the body of Jesus, the body of Spirit filled believers or the holy of holies behind the veil in the stone temple. "

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Re: The Temple of God
« Reply #2 on: October 21, 2009, 09:50:02 AM »
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4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

One of the things I think many people miss in this verse, and I certainly did for a long time, is that he is showing himself that he is God. It never says this son of perdition shows the world he is God, but that he shows himself. That is the most apt description of those agnostic, freethinkers who believe that they are ultimately in control of everything in there life. They have convinced themselves that they are God. Even if they use different words to describe it that is really what they have done.
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Re: The Temple of God
« Reply #3 on: October 21, 2009, 09:59:09 AM »
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4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

One of the things I think many people miss in this verse, and I certainly did for a long time, is that he is showing himself that he is God. It never says this son of perdition shows the world he is God, but that he shows himself. That is the most apt description of those agnostic, freethinkers who believe that they are ultimately in control of everything in there life. They have convinced themselves that they are God. Even if they use different words to describe it that is really what they have done.

The folks that you describe are unregenerate. That man of sin sits in the "temple of God" - the body of regenerate believers.

We do have the Shirley McClain's even declaring themselves "I AM" in a conscious effort to declare themselves to be God, but I'm not so sure they are a fit for this verse.

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Re: The Temple of God
« Reply #4 on: October 21, 2009, 10:38:31 AM »
Mat 21:12 And Jesus went into the temple of God, and cast out all them that sold and bought in the temple, and overthrew the tables of the moneychangers, and the seats of them that sold doves,

the temple
New Testament Greek Definition:
2411 hieron {hee-er-on'}
from 2413; TDNT - 3:230,349; n n
AV - temple 71; 71
1) a sacred place, temple
1a) used of the temple of Artemis at Ephesus
1b) used of the temple at Jerusalem
The temple of Jerusalem consisted of the whole of the sacred
enclosure, embracing the entire aggregate of buildings, balconies,
porticos, courts (that is that of the men of Israel, that of the
women, and that of the priests), belonging to the temple; the latter
designates the sacred edifice properly so called, consisting of two
parts, the "sanctuary" or "Holy Place" (which no one except the
priests was allowed to enter), and the "Holy of Holies" or "the most
holy place" (which was entered only on the great day of atonement by
the high priest alone). Also there were the courts where Jesus or the
apostles taught or encountered adversaries, and the like, "in the
temple"; also the courts of the temple, of the Gentiles, out of which
Jesus drove the buyers and sellers and the money changers, court of
the women.

1Cr 3:16 Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and [that] the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?

the temple
New Testament Greek Definition:
3485 naos {nah-os'}
from a primary naio (to dwell); TDNT - 4:880,625; n m
AV - temple 45, a shrine 1; 46
1) used of the temple at Jerusalem, but only of the sacred edifice
(or sanctuary) itself, consisting of the Holy place and the Holy
of Holies (in classical Greek it is used of the sanctuary or cell
of the temple, where the image of gold was placed which is
distinguished from the whole enclosure)
2) any heathen temple or shrine
3) metaph. the spiritual temple consisting of the saints of all ages
joined together by and in Christ

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Re: The Temple of God
« Reply #5 on: October 21, 2009, 12:18:16 PM »
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The folks that you describe are unregenerate. That man of sin sits in the "temple of God" - the body of regenerate believers.

We do have the Shirley McClain's even declaring themselves "I AM" in a conscious effort to declare themselves to be God, but I'm not so sure they are a fit for this verse.

That is true and maybe this verse deals with those people that exalt their traditions above God. I still see it as a very self-centered act. Many use that verse to support the antichrist's declaration of deity to the world. It was a major point in one of the Left Behind books. This verse shows the very essence of pride.

2Th 2:4   Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God. 

This has been satan's desire since time immemorial.

Isa 14:13   For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north: 

Isa 14:14   I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High. 




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Re: The Temple of God
« Reply #6 on: October 25, 2009, 11:07:54 PM »
So the man of sin will inhabit a believer?  I thought the AOD was the Dome on the Rock, the false prophet was Mohammad and the beasts were America and British, if not please review this again.  And the Antichrist was all the people who are Muslims.


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4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

One of the things I think many people miss in this verse, and I certainly did for a long time, is that he is showing himself that he is God. It never says this son of perdition shows the world he is God, but that he shows himself. That is the most apt description of those agnostic, freethinkers who believe that they are ultimately in control of everything in there life. They have convinced themselves that they are God. Even if they use different words to describe it that is really what they have done.

The folks that you describe are unregenerate. That man of sin sits in the "temple of God" - the body of regenerate believers.

We do have the Shirley McClain's even declaring themselves "I AM" in a conscious effort to declare themselves to be God, but I'm not so sure they are a fit for this verse.

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« Reply #7 on: October 26, 2009, 05:32:31 AM »
So the man of sin will inhabit a believer?  I thought the AOD was the Dome on the Rock, the false prophet was Mohammad and the beasts were America and British, if not please review this again.  And the Antichrist was all the people who are Muslims.

The man of sin, as far as I know, is the sinful nature that battles a believer for dominance in their life or in a collective group of believers via false doctrine. The Dome of the Rock is the abomination that makes desolate, according to the timetable in Daniel and Revelation. The beasts, if you are talking about the book of Daniel are Babylon, Medeo-Persia, and Greece. THE Lion, Bear, Leapord beast of Revelation is those countries that still inhabit the countries that used to comprise the original kingdoms mentioned in Daniel. The beast of Revelation is a composite beast of the Babylonian, Medeo-Persian, and Greek kingdoms.

These links go into further detail on the subject.
http://www.beholdthebeast.com/daniels_four_beasts.htm
http://www.beholdthebeast.com/the_beast.htm


And while muslims must be antichrist to be muslim, as they reject Jesus as the Son of God and His salvation, anyone who does this is antichrist. Not just muslims. They are your atheists, agnostics, enlightened free-thinkers, anyone at all who rejects Jesus and His salvation.
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Re: The Temple of God
« Reply #8 on: October 26, 2009, 06:41:37 AM »
Thanks, I will review those links too.

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Re: The Temple of God
« Reply #9 on: October 26, 2009, 06:43:09 AM »
So the man of sin will inhabit a believer?  I thought the AOD was the Dome on the Rock, the false prophet was Mohammad and the beasts were America and British, if not please review this again.  And the Antichrist was all the people who are Muslims.

Since the man of sin "sitteth in the temple of God" it would seem it necessarily has to do with God's people since we are the temple of God. While it may inhabit an individual such as one of the alternate personalities of a person that suffers multiple personality disorder, who is otherwise regenerate.
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=31.0

The man of sin can perhaps be found more easily and broadly speaking in the body of Christ - that is a group of assembled believers.

Todd Bentley may be one possible example. He claimed visitations by a 9' tall angel named Emma. His "healing" ministry attracted from 6000 to 16000 people every night, 7 days a week, for months.
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=31.0

Before the show he would lay on the stage and vibrate as spirits took control of him. Also his head would shake back and forth violently and what appeared to be involuntarily.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yN9Ay4QAtW8
http://www.beholdthebeast.com/man_of_sin.htm

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Re: The Temple of God
« Reply #10 on: October 26, 2009, 06:45:50 AM »
Thanks, I will review those links too.

Hi PraiseHim and welcome to the forum! :)

The above post links go a little more specifically to your question. Particularly the Todd Bentley video.
Also here was an experience I had in a pentecostal church:
http://www.beholdthebeast.com/man_of_sin_revealed.htm

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« Reply #11 on: October 27, 2009, 12:57:51 AM »
Thanks Peter, I am so glad I sensed the tongues stuff wasn't right,

then I also learned what was the reason for it, ie to teach foreign people the gospel when they were in Jerusalem and as a warning to the coming destruction of Jerusalem, this is what I was taught.

Thanks for the welcome too, I am going to keep reading and putting things together.


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« Reply #12 on: October 27, 2009, 08:25:18 AM »
Thanks Peter, I am so glad I sensed the tongues stuff wasn't right,

then I also learned what was the reason for it, ie to teach foreign people the gospel when they were in Jerusalem and as a warning to the coming destruction of Jerusalem, this is what I was taught.

Thanks for the welcome too, I am going to keep reading and putting things together.

There is nothing wrong with speaking in tongues. It's a gift of the Spirit. But what language is being spoken, who is interpreting, and for whose benefit? Bruce Olson saved a whole tribe of South American jungle dwellers. He left for two weeks and while he was gone, that tribe had saved another whole tribe, even though not a single person from either tribe, knew the first word of the language, of the other.

Talking in tongues is a gift of the Spirit. But when we find churches that hold doctrine, that claims it is some sort of proof of salvation, and so they engage in a peep and mutter show among the brethren on Sunday, there is a best chance they are channeling unclean tongues. To suggest that everybody should be talking in tongues is to suggest that the body of Christ is all eyes, or all hands.

(KJV) 1 Corinthians 12:1 Now concerning spiritual [gifts], brethren, I would not have you ignorant.    2  Ye know that ye were Gentiles, carried away unto these dumb idols, even as ye were led.    3 Wherefore I give you to understand, that no man speaking by the Spirit of God calleth Jesus accursed: and [that] no man can say that Jesus is the Lord, but by the Holy Ghost.    4  Now there are diversities of gifts, but the same Spirit.    5  And there are differences of administrations, but the same Lord.    6  And there are diversities of operations, but it is the same God which worketh all in all.    7  But the manifestation of the Spirit is given to every man to profit withal.    8  For to one is given by the Spirit the word of wisdom; to another the word of knowledge by the same Spirit;    9 To another faith by the same Spirit; to another the gifts of healing by the same Spirit;    10 To another the working of miracles; to another prophecy; to another discerning of spirits; to another [divers] kinds of tongues; to another the interpretation of tongues:    11  But all these worketh that one and the selfsame Spirit, dividing to every man severally as he will.    12 For as the body is one, and hath many members, and all the members of that one body, being many, are one body: so also [is] Christ.    13  For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether [we be] Jews or Gentiles, whether [we be] bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.    14  For the body is not one member, but many.    15  If the foot shall say, Because I am not the hand, I am not of the body; is it therefore not of the body?    16  And if the ear shall say, Because I am not the eye, I am not of the body; is it therefore not of the body?    17  If the whole body [were] an eye, where [were] the hearing? If the whole [were] hearing, where [were] the smelling?    18  But now hath God set the members every one of them in the body, as it hath pleased him.    19  And if they were all one member, where [were] the body?  

Does that read like everyone in church should be speaking in tongues?
Excellent book if you can find it, "Demons in the Church" by Ellis Skolfield.

20  But now [are they] many members, yet but one body.    21  And the eye cannot say unto the hand, I have no need of thee: nor again the head to the feet, I have no need of you.    22  Nay, much more those members of the body, which seem to be more feeble, are necessary:    23 And those [members] of the body, which we think to be less honourable, upon these we bestow more abundant honour; and our uncomely [parts] have more abundant comeliness.    24  For our comely [parts] have no need: but God hath tempered the body together, having given more abundant honour to that [part] which lacked:    25  That there should be no schism in the body; but [that] the members should have the same care one for another.    26  And whether one member suffer, all the members suffer with it; or one member be honoured, all the members rejoice with it.    27  Now ye are the body of Christ, and members in particular.    28 And God hath set some in the church, first apostles, secondarily prophets, thirdly teachers, after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, governments, diversities of tongues.

That is the order of importance God seems to assign to it. Is everyone expected to prophesy too? What happens when an 8 year old kid is told that the only way he can know that he is saved is if he speaks in tongues? He is going to do everything in his power to invite unclean spirits. And his fellow parishioners are going to be more than sufficient impart them to him by laying on hands and such.
You can scroll to the 1:30 mark in this video to get an idea:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yW06j1iV08E

1Cr 14:22 Wherefore tongues are for a sign, not to them that believe, but to them that believe not: but prophesying [serveth] not for them that believe not, but for them which believe.

   29  [Are] all apostles? [are] all prophets? [are] all teachers? [are] all workers of miracles?    30  Have all the gifts of healing? do all speak with tongues? do all interpret?    31  But covet earnestly the best gifts: and yet shew I unto you a more excellent way.

The answer is apparent.

1Cr 14:6      Now, brethren, if I come unto you speaking with tongues, what shall I profit you, except I shall speak to you either by revelation, or by knowledge, or by prophesying, or by doctrine?

The important thing is to try the spirits that are giving utterance to know whether they are of God.

Good video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l3cLChnG_mE
Rest of the videos on his channel here (in reverse order):
http://www.youtube.com/user/JesusCTK#g/u

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Re: The Temple of God
« Reply #13 on: August 02, 2010, 11:37:21 AM »
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