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I have come not to destroy the law but to fulfill it
« on: August 15, 2009, 11:41:07 AM »
I am reposting this in an easier to read format. Pete if you would like you can replace the original post with this one. This has all the original content of the first post. I just expounded in more detail.

Many believe that Jesus set new and higher moral standards than the 10 Commandments. But Jesus said:

Mat 5:17 Think not that I am  come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.

Anyone with a firm grasp on Jesus and His  divinity knows that as a consistent God he would never destroy the law He created.

Mal 3:6 For I [am] the LORD, I change not; therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed.

Jesus came to expound on the spirit of the law. Namely this.

Gal 5:14 For all the law is fulfilled in one word, [even] in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

Jesus spoke these very words:

Mat 22:37   Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy  mind. Mat 22:38   This is the first and great commandment. Mat 22:39   And the second [is] like unto it, Thou shalt love thy  neighbour as thyself. Mat 22:40   On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.

By keeping these two commandments you will naturally shy away from breaking any others. By keeping the second one Jesus named you  are fulfilling the first. For our love of one another is an expression of God's love. But is Jesus saying anything that the Old  Testament had not already said. NO. He was simply boiling it down to simplicity. One of his discourses has him saying "Ye have  heard...but I say to you" He was telling the masses that the way the Pharisees had been teaching them was in direct contradiction  to the Spirit of the Law. For example.

 Mat 5:38 ¶ Ye have heard that it hath been said, An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth: Mat 5:39   But I say unto you, That  ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also.

This idea of an eye for an eye had become misconstrued by the Pharisees. Jesus pointed out that the eye for an eye context in  Exodus 21:24-25 was meant as a LIMIT in civil matters not a standard for retaliation. Mercy is always at the forfront of the  commands of God. Which we find before and after these laws in the OT.

Jesus later told how even a murderous or lustful heart was the same as the act itself in the eyes of God. Where is that in the OT?

Psa 37:8   Cease from anger, and forsake wrath: fret not thyself in any wise to do evil. Psa 37:9   For evildoers shall be cut  off: but those that wait upon the LORD, they shall inherit the earth.

Likewise Proverbs 4:23 points out that the heart is the most important place to obtain moral purity.

Pro 4:23   Keep thy heart with all diligence; for out of it [are] the issues of life. 

Since God sees the heart (1 Samuel 16:7; Psalm 139:2; Proverbs 15:11;Jeremiah 17:10) sins of the heart are the same as sins of  action to God. So the idea that a lustful heart is the same as adultry was not a NEW idea. It had just been buried under religious  practice by the Pharisees.

1Sa 16:7   But the LORD said unto Samuel, Look not on his countenance, or on the height of his stature; because I have refused  him: for [the LORD seeth] not as man seeth; for man looketh on the outward appearance, but the LORD looketh on the heart. 

Psa 139:2   Thou knowest my downsitting and mine uprising, thou understandest my thought afar off. 

Pro 15:11   Hell and destruction [are] before the LORD: how much more then the hearts of the children of men? 

Jer 17:10   I the LORD search the heart, try the reins, even to give every man according to his ways, [and] according to the  fruit of his doings. 

The Pharisees ought to have known that and taught that. In the OT you can find God wanting us to love our neighbours. Where?

Exd 23:4 ¶ If thou meet thine enemy's ox or his ass going astray, thou shalt surely bring it back to him again.

Exd 23:5   If thou see the ass of him that hateth thee lying under his burden, and wouldest forbear to help him, thou shalt surely  help with him.

Pro 25:21   If thine enemy be hungry, give him bread to eat; and if he be thirsty, give him water to drink:

Here is one in the OT that has a direct parallel with Jesus' own words. Makes sense as this was an OT saint writing of the Messiah.

Psa 109:4 For my love they are my adversaries: but I [give myself unto] prayer.

Now contrast this with Jesus' words.

Mat 5:44 But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;

And besides to seek vengence is to attempt to usurp the authority of God. Something the OT saints knew but had been perverted by the pharisees.

Deu 32:35   To me [belongeth] vengeance, and recompence; their foot shall slide in [due] time: for the day of their calamity [is]  at hand, and the things that shall come upon them make haste. 

Psa 94:1 ¶ O LORD God, to whom vengeance belongeth; O God, to whom vengeance belongeth, shew thyself.

So God showed Himself through Jesus and commanded us to do what He always had. All of Jesus' sayings can be seen in the OT. Jesus  simply put all of His commandments together in one place and boiled them down to simplicity to snap us out of religious error. I  hope this helps explain Jesus' view of the Law so that anyone thinking that He contradicted Himself will see the truth. Since all the prophecies on the Messiah came in the OT then it is implied that the old saints had an understanding of God and His plan. However a 400 year silence from God between the OT and NT had made Israel weak in their understanding. Jesus showed up being the realization of all the prophecies and most of Israel spurned him. Not due to a misunderstanding on the part of the OT saints but on the part of the religious elders interpretation of those books.

Jesus himself knew that the misunderstanding lied with the religious officials of the day and not the OT saints.

Jhn 5:46 For had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed me: for he wrote of me. 

God bless
 
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Re: I have come not to destroy the law but to fulfill it
« Reply #1 on: August 15, 2009, 02:17:31 PM »
Jer 31:31 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah: 32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day [that] I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD: 33 But this [shall be] the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.

Fulfilled:

1Cr 6:19 What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost [which is] in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own?

The result of being filled:

Gal 5:14 For all the law is fulfilled in one word, [even] in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

For example:

Jhn 8:4 They say unto him, Master, this woman was taken in adultery, in the very act. 5 Now Moses in the law commanded us, that such should be stoned: but what sayest thou? 6 This they said, tempting him, that they might have to accuse him. But Jesus stooped down, and with [his] finger wrote on the ground, [as though he heard them not]. 7 So when they continued asking him, he lifted up himself, and said unto them, He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her. 8 And again he stooped down, and wrote on the ground. 9 And they which heard [it], being convicted by [their own] conscience, went out one by one, beginning at the eldest, [even] unto the last: and Jesus was left alone, and the woman standing in the midst.

Though it's virtually impossible for a Muslim male to commit adultery (except when caught with another Muslim's wife), and virtually impossible to be testified against for rape, the punishment for women in many Islamic countries is still death by stoning.
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=466.0
We can understand the unregenerate nature of the followers of Mohammed as living testimony of the hatred that comes through the spirit of antichrist from their 1400 year hatred of Jews. Neither following old covenant law, while clearly exhibiting that the new covenant is not pressed in their hearts:

Allah's Apostle said, "You (i.e. Muslims) will fight with the Jews till some of them will hide behind stones. The stones will (betray them) saying, 'O 'Abdullah (i.e. slave of Allah)! There is a Jew hiding behind me; so kill him.'" (video) (video) Sahih Bukhari Hadith Volume 4, Book 52, Number 176 - Sunna: Sahih Muslim Book 041, Number 6985) USC had to remove this "inspired" Islamic hadith as hate speech, but does not repudiate it).

More popular paraphrase: “Jews will hide behind the rock and tree, and the rock and tree will say: oh servant of Allah, oh Muslim, there is a Jew behind me, come and kill him!”  (video)

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Re: I have come not to destroy the law but to fulfill it
« Reply #2 on: August 15, 2009, 02:19:19 PM »
Bro can I recommend you put more breaks in your posts? like full line spaces after paragraphs and to segregate your words from bible verses? Big walls of type are intimidating to be confronted with.
It will make it a lot easier to read like this:

"Many believe that Jesus set new and higher moral standards than the 10 Commandments. But Jesus said:

Mat 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.

Anyone with a firm grasp on Jesus and His divinity knows that as a consistent God he would never destroy the law He created.

Mal 3:6 For I [am] the LORD, I change not; therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed 

Jesus came to expound on the spirit of the law. Namely this.

Gal 5:14 For all the law is fulfilled in one word, [even] in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

Jesus spoke these very words:

Mat 22:37   Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. 38   This is the first and great commandment. 39   And the second [is] like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. 40   On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.  By keeping these two co..."

And maybe group consecutive verses if you don't have something to say between them like the above.

Or even like this:

"Many believe that Jesus set new and higher moral standards than the 10 Commandments. But Jesus said:
Mat 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
Anyone with a firm grasp on Jesus and His divinity knows that as a consistent God he would never destroy the law He created.
Mal 3:6 For I [am] the LORD, I change not; therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed 
Jesus came to expound on the spirit of the law. Namely this.
Gal 5:14 For all the law is fulfilled in one word, [even] in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
Jesus spoke these very words:
Mat 22:37   Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. 38   This is the first and great commandment. 39   And the second [is] like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. 40   On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.  By keeping these two co..."

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Re: I have come not to destroy the law but to fulfill it
« Reply #3 on: August 16, 2009, 08:00:25 AM »
I actually tried to put more breaks in my type, but for some reason when I get to the bottom of the reply box it will not automatically scroll with the text. So I can't see what I am  writing. I try to conserve space as much as possible so I can see as I type. From now on though I will type out my replies in notepad and paste them in the reply box. That way I can break up the text and make it easier on the eyes. Sorry for the issue and thank you for pointing it out.

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Doth that man love his Lord who would be willing to see Jesus wearing a crown of thorns, while for himself he craves a chaplet of laurel? Shall Jesus ascend to his throne by the cross, and do we expect to be carried there on the shoulders of applauding crowds? Charles H. Spurgeon

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Re: I have come not to destroy the law but to fulfill it
« Reply #4 on: August 16, 2009, 08:14:48 AM »
I actually tried to put more breaks in my type, but for some reason when I get to the bottom of the reply box it will not automatically scroll with the text. So I can't see what I am  writing. I try to conserve space as much as possible so I can see as I type. From now on though I will type out my replies in notepad and paste them in the reply box. That way I can break up the text and make it easier on the eyes. Sorry for the issue and thank you for pointing it out.

God bless
You're saying that you are only allowed the space within the white area and it won't continue?
I use Firefox, but everything works OK with Internet Explorer too. Are you using Lennox or something unconventional for an operating system?

After your paragraph or verse you can't just hit "enter" twice to create a full line break?
Once you use up the white area it doesn't automatically set up a scroll bar at the right side of the white area (like mine just now did for this message)?

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Re: I have come not to destroy the law but to fulfill it
« Reply #5 on: August 16, 2009, 08:20:52 AM »
No I can still write beyond the boundaries. It just will not automatically scroll along with the text and if I manually scroll down the moment I resume typing it scrolls back up to the first part of the reply. Not to worry though. I will type in notepad and paste it in the reply. Again sorry for the hard pressure the post puts on the eyes. If you like I can rewrite it and repost it.
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Re: I have come not to destroy the law but to fulfill it
« Reply #6 on: September 01, 2009, 06:51:58 AM »
OP reposted per your request.

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Re: I have come not to destroy the law but to fulfill it
« Reply #7 on: September 01, 2009, 07:09:38 AM »
Thank you Brother
Doth that man love his Lord who would be willing to see Jesus wearing a crown of thorns, while for himself he craves a chaplet of laurel? Shall Jesus ascend to his throne by the cross, and do we expect to be carried there on the shoulders of applauding crowds? Charles H. Spurgeon