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God knows His children and Satan knows his
« on: August 21, 2009, 11:55:02 AM »
    God gives us clear ways of knowing those that are His.

Deu 7:9 Know therefore that the LORD thy God, he [is] God, the faithful God, which keepeth covenant and mercy with them that love
him and keep his commandments to a thousand generations; 

Jhn 13:35 By this shall all [men] know that ye are my disciples, if ye have love one to another.

    Only when we love one another do we show that we are Jesus' disciples and kept in the grace of God. We even have to show love to
our enemies.

Mat 5:44 But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which
despitefully use you, and persecute you; 

Psa 109:4   For my love they are my adversaries: but I [give myself unto] prayer. 

    This love is a way of allowing our works to give witness to the one who works through us. Those who work in iniquity give witness
to the one who works through them. What should one who is righteous expect from the iniquitous?

Psa 109:2   For the mouth of the wicked and the mouth of the deceitful are opened against me: they have spoken against me with a
lying tongue. 

Psa 109:3   They compassed me about also with words of hatred; and fought against me without a cause. 

Psa 109:5   And they have rewarded me evil for good, and hatred for my love.

    These are common practices of Islam through the practice of taquiya and honor killings. As well as the genocidal tendecies of the
koran concerning Jews. It was always the method of Muhammad to lie in wait, lying to those who were in power over him, and then to
turn on those who had done him no harm if they did not believe as he did. In fact Muhammad would even turn on those who had helped
him if it benefitted his cause in some way. He showed this by turning on the Christians who had harboured his followers during
their intial outset from Mecca. But should this suprise us?

1Pe 5:8 Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour: 

    Those who fall under Satan's power do the will of their master. The sad truth is that the power of Satan is darkness. Those who
are under that power do not fully realize it because they cannot "see" where they are headed. It is our responsibility as children
of God to show the light through our own words and actions. Do not expect to always succeed in proselytizing everyone you meet.
Jesus knew this would be the case and gave us a word of encouragment.

Jhn 15:18 If the world hate you, ye know that it hated me before [it hated] you.

Jhn 16:33 These things I have spoken unto you, that in me ye might have peace. In the world ye shall have tribulation: but be of
good cheer; I have overcome the world.   

    What happens to those that allow Satan to rule over them?

Psa 109:6 Set thou a wicked man over him: and let Satan stand at his right hand.

Psa 109:7 When he shall be judged, let him be condemned: and let his prayer become sin. 

    This is particularly important for muslims. They think that their prayers will save them but the scriptures says that prayers from
those that have allowed Satan rule over them are sins. Why would God delight in the prayers from those who do the opposite of His
express will?

    There are two verse that sum up the characteristics of God's children and Satan's children. 

1Jo 3:10 In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God,
neither he that loveth not his brother. 

Jhn 8:44 Ye are of [your] father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and
abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and
the father of it.

    Do not think that I am singling Islam out as the only conduit through which Satan works. If you look throughout history you see
plenty of people who called themselves Christian but fell drastically short of the commands to love one another as yourself and to love your enemy. The Inquisitions, Crusades, Protestant-Catholic wars, and the myriad of catholic dogma that was established to effectively cut off the average catholic from knowing what scripture actually said is a testament to who is pulling strings among the upper echelon. Islam has similar practices and that is my point. No matter how Satan's children present themselves (agnostics, atheists, muslims, catholics, jehovah witnesses, mormons etc.) eventually they show to whom they really pay homage to. The hard part is showing those who don't know whom they serve where they are headed. To do this we must come in love
nd not just speak empty words but allow God to shine through us in our works. Remember though that good works are a result of
salvation. Not a path to it.

    I hope that this is an encouragement to those who seek after righteousness and try to bring others to Christ. For those of you
that this offends then perhaps you should ask yourself why you are offended. For if I have spoken a lie then why be angry. What
have you to fear from a liar. The truth always wins out and so it will. If you feel that your religion has been misrepresented in
some way feel free to respond. I will be more than glad to show you why I posted what I have. For answers visit the category that
on the general category page of the forum that applies to your religion and see if there is any truth to it. Or post here and I,
or someone else if they beat me to it, will reply.

God bless

 
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Re: God knows His children and Satan knows his
« Reply #1 on: August 30, 2009, 11:23:33 AM »
I'm afraid satan does not know who his are. If he did then he wouldn't try and deceive the elect of God.

Only God knows his own, and who are satans.


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Re: God knows His children and Satan knows his
« Reply #2 on: August 30, 2009, 12:07:33 PM »
Everyone who stands in opposition to Christ is a clear cut servant of Satan. IF you don't think he is aware of who serves him perhaps you should read the book he helped inspire. The koran. Satan tries to decieve the elect because it is in them that God's work is made manifest. NOT because he thinks they are his servants. While it is true that only God knows the heart of a person EVERYONE can be assesed by the fruit that they bare. Which is the whole point of this post. Do you have any doubts that Satan knows that Muhammad is firmly in his hand? It is too late for him to have a change of heart. What about Judas? Or the Pharisees? Now do I believe that these men COULD have been saved? Yes for God does not want anyone to die in sin. However their rejection of Jesus, through actions and words, clearly designated them as Satans' children. A fact borne out in the scriptures.

Jhn 17:12 While I was with them in the world, I kept them in thy name: those that thou gavest me I have kept, and none of them is lost, but the son of perdition; that the scripture might be fulfilled.

1Jo 3:10 In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother. 

You don't think Satan can read? While Satan may not be fully aware of ALL his children he can easily identify them. You should read the mark of the beast chapter in the false prophet to see that spiritually speaking ID is much more easier than you think. I am not trying to strain at gnats but you need to be more aware than you are if you don't think the enemy doesn't know who his enemies and allies are. The great thing is his allies can be plucked from his hand. God's cannot.

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Re: God knows His children and Satan knows his
« Reply #3 on: August 30, 2009, 12:41:01 PM »
I'm afraid satan does not know who his are. If he did then he wouldn't try and deceive the elect of God.

Only God knows his own, and who are satans.

Let's ask ourselves a few questions.

Can the human eye see the spiritual world or things within it? I think most would agree, it can not.

Does everyone have a spirit?
Again, most would agree, yes.

Can we reasonably assume that things within the spiritual world can see other things within the spiritual world? I'll go with yes on this one as well.

Ok, now let's look at scripture for a second.

Joh 8:12  Then spake Jesus again unto them, saying, I am the light of the world: he that followeth me shall not walk in darkness, but shall have the light of life.

Now, this verse shows that Jesus is that which gives us the light of life, so that we don't walk in darkness.

So is this "light of life" discernible with the human eye? I believe it is something spiritually discerned, so I would have to say, no.

Alright, now a couple more questions.

Are angels spiritual beings? I'd have to say, yes.

Was Satan an angel at some point and time?
He sure was, but he was cast out of heaven.

Ok, so now we can assume that Spiritual beings can discern things in the spiritual world and that Satan is one of said beings. Now, those who don't have the light of life, walk in darkness. So, I would assume that Satan could discern which were on his side by the shroud of darkness about them and God doesn't play favorites with his enemies.

(Mat 12:30)  He that is not with me is against me; and he that gathereth not with me scattereth abroad.

Food for thought~











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Re: God knows His children and Satan knows his
« Reply #4 on: August 30, 2009, 01:00:04 PM »
http://www.beholdthebeast.com/two_horned_beast.htm#134 here is the link on the subject. It is under the header Image of the Beast. I am not trying to argue for the sake of it or attack you. Just a friendly exchange. If my replies to your posts came off that way please forgive me.
Doth that man love his Lord who would be willing to see Jesus wearing a crown of thorns, while for himself he craves a chaplet of laurel? Shall Jesus ascend to his throne by the cross, and do we expect to be carried there on the shoulders of applauding crowds? Charles H. Spurgeon

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« Reply #5 on: August 30, 2009, 01:22:12 PM »
Everyone who stands in opposition to Christ is a clear cut servant of Satan. IF you don't think he is aware of who serves him perhaps you should read the book he helped inspire. The koran.

Being a servant of satan, and belonging to satan are two different things. The only ones that are his children are those that have committed the unforgivable sin.
The Book of Revelation tells of from where the False Prophet would come. Satan would have known that and would have tried to avoid it. Satan didn’t even recognise his own prophet until it was too late.

Paul the Apostle stood in opposition to Christ – as such he was a servant of satan – but he did not belong to satan. He belonged to God, and God put His claim on him big time. Paul – what a great man.

Satan’s children are the ones that can not be won over to Christ. Even then, satan still isn’t sure about who his own really are, so uses fear to control them and keep them where they are.

Satan is sure about only one thing – both his own destiny,  and of  those that have committed the unforgivable sin. It is the persons final state that declares who they belong to.

Some reject Christ because they haven’t really got to know Christ. Some accept Christ once they have got to know him. Muslims do leave Islam, and other religions also.

As for dying. We all die because of sin. Belonging to Christ does not in itself make us perfect – that is why our perfection is not of ourselves but in Christ. The Christians’ walk is to become more Christlike.

Wolves in sheep's clothing – are they of Christ or of satan – anyone can hold a private doctrine and believe it to be true – a diluted Christianity.  They may cease to be wolves once they have realised the false doctrine. Wolves in sheep's clothing can be in various forms.

In the end, we cannot say who is going down – that is for God to determine. We should continue to pray for everyone, including for each other. In that we declare our hearts to God – who happens to know our hearts already. We just affirm what God already knows.

We have to exhort each other to remain in the faith, for some have indeed strayed away from it.

God bless.
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Re: God knows His children and Satan knows his
« Reply #6 on: August 30, 2009, 01:26:34 PM »
http://www.beholdthebeast.com/two_horned_beast.htm#134 here is the link on the subject. It is under the header Image of the Beast. I am not trying to argue for the sake of it or attack you. Just a friendly exchange. If my replies to your posts came off that way please forgive me.

From my side of things. Nothing you've said to forgive.  :)
« Last Edit: August 30, 2009, 01:28:54 PM by Steve »

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Re: God knows His children and Satan knows his
« Reply #7 on: August 31, 2009, 07:20:48 AM »
(Mat 12:30)  He that is not with me is against me; and he that gathereth not with me scattereth abroad.

Then the question begs, were old covenant saints with Jesus before He was manifest on earth?
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=615.0
How many mediators are there?

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Re: God knows His children and Satan knows his
« Reply #8 on: August 31, 2009, 07:56:11 AM »
You haven't addressed the fact that there are many who Satan absolutely knows are his. Whether they remain that way is another matter all together. My post doesn't suggest that Satan omnisciently knows all who serve him. What it does suggest, however, is that their identity can be determined with the simple testing of the spirit that holds sway over them.

1Jo 4:2 Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God: 
1Jo 4:3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that [spirit] of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world. 
2Jo 1:7 For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist. 

By this test Satan knows for a fact that 1.5 billion people in the world are his. Again, whether they stay that way is another matter. Though this test is for a Christian to use as a measuring tool it works the other way too.  Please don't think I am equating God's infinite knowledge with Satan's finite knowledge, but at the same time to stay sharp we must recognize how clever the enemy is.

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Re: God knows His children and Satan knows his
« Reply #9 on: August 31, 2009, 08:12:20 AM »
Everyone who stands in opposition to Christ is a clear cut servant of Satan.

As regards Jews perhaps this "mystery" may not be as clear-cut as it may appear at first glance.

Rom 11:8  (According as it is written, God hath given them the spirit of slumber, eyes that they should not see, and ears that they should not hear;) unto this day.

That was written well after the cross.

Rom 11:25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.

http://www.israelinbibleprophecy.com/spirit_of_slumber.htm

Zechariah 12:9 And it shall come to pass in that day, [that] I will seek to destroy all the nations that come against Jerusalem. 10 And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and they shall look upon me whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for [his] only [son], and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for [his] firstborn.

http://www.israelinbibleprophecy.com/

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« Reply #10 on: August 31, 2009, 10:39:22 AM »
As regards Jews perhaps this "mystery" may not be as clear-cut as it may appear at first glance.

Well no it wasn't. And the mystery was this:

Colossians 1:25-27 (New International Version)
25 I have become its servant by the commission God gave me to present to you the word of God in its fullness
26 the mystery that has been kept hidden for ages and generations, but is now disclosed to the saints.
27 To them God has chosen to make known among the Gentiles the glorious riches of this mystery, which is Christ in you, the hope of glory.

My favourite verse: Christ in you the hope of glory.

God bless.


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« Reply #11 on: August 31, 2009, 10:59:39 AM »
As regards Jews perhaps this "mystery" may not be as clear-cut as it may appear at first glance.

Well no it wasn't. And the mystery was this:

Colossians 1:25-27 (New International Version)
25 I have become its servant by the commission God gave me to present to you the word of God in its fullness
26 the mystery that has been kept hidden for ages and generations, but is now disclosed to the saints.
27 To them God has chosen to make known among the Gentiles the glorious riches of this mystery, which is Christ in you, the hope of glory.

My favourite verse: Christ in you the hope of glory.

God bless.

Regarding the particular mystery described in Romans 11:

Rom 11:28  As concerning the gospel, [they are] enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, [they are] beloved for the fathers' sakes.

Maybe I can tease folks into a read:

"Hummm ... the Greek word for mystery, musterion, appears 27
times in the New Testament, so part of the Bible is a mystery. Now
much of God's mystery has been explained in the first 65 books of
the  Bible,  but  not  all.  The  mere  fact  that  there  are  so  many
confusing doctrines around is proof that we really haven't got it all
figured out...."
http://www.beholdthebeast.com/the_great_detective.htm

As an aside, regarding use of the NIV I highly recommend "New Age Bible Versions" by Gail Riplinger
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=81.0

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Re: God knows His children and Satan knows his
« Reply #12 on: August 31, 2009, 12:58:17 PM »
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As regards Jews perhaps this "mystery" may not be as clear-cut as it may appear at first glance.


Yes, that is true and thank you Pete for pointing that out. I would like to point out though that my original post makes the point that there are ways of telling the spirits that are from God and those that are not by assessing their fruits. The Bible does make special provisions for the Jews in this regard, but no other group that I am aware of. Which is why they are not listed here.

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No matter how Satan's children present themselves (agnostics, atheists, muslims, catholics, jehovah witnesses, mormons etc.) eventually they show to whom they really pay homage to

 And while Satan may not have absolute control over his subjects he does hold sway over them to a degree and is certainly able to identify many of those that are definitely his. Perhaps the title of the post is a little misleading. I am not suggesting that the devil is omnisciently aware of all his servants and their destinies, but the point of the post isn't that to start with. It is to show how WE as Christians can identify those in the service of the enemy. Many come as ministers of righteousness. Many are convinced that they are. Which is why we must be sharp to make sure we don't fall under their deception. If my post has bred confusion I apologize for it. I do not want to get pulled into the mire of endless debate and so I declare for my part, on the subject of whether satan knows his children, an IN PASSE. Again sorry for any confusion.


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