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Re Gaza
« on: November 14, 2009, 09:28:40 AM »
you have no right in justfying what israel did ot Gaza with noble priz the bible says that these lands were for  arab canan.

"When the truth is replaced by silence," the Soviet dissident Yevgeny Yevtushenko said, "the silence is a lie." It may appear that the silence on Gaza is broken. The small cocoons of murdered children, wrapped in green, together with boxes containing their dismembered parents, and the cries of grief and rage of everyone in that death camp by the sea can be witnessed on al-Jazeera and YouTube, even glimpsed on the BBC. But Russia's incorrigible poet was not referring to the ephemera we call news; he was asking why those who knew the why never spoke it, and so denied it. Among the Anglo-American intelligentsia, this is especially striking. It is they who hold the keys to the great storehouses of knowledge: the historiographies and archives that lead us to the why.

They know that the horror now raining on Gaza has little to do with Hamas or, absurdly, "Israel's right to exist". They know the opposite to be true: that Palestine's right to exist was cancelled 61 years ago and that the expulsion and, if necessary, extinction of the indigenous people was planned and executed by the founders of Israel. They know, for example, that the infamous "Plan D" of 1947-48 resulted in the murderous depopulation of 369 Palestinian towns and villages by the Haganah (Israeli army) and that massacre upon massacre of Palestinian civilians in such places as Deir Yassin, al-Dawayima, Eilaboun, Jish, Ramle and Lydda are referred to in official records as "ethnic cleansing". Arriving at a scene of this carnage, David Ben-Gurion, Israel's first prime minister, was asked by a general, Yigal Allon: "What shall we do with the Arabs?" Ben-Gurion, reported the Israeli historian Benny Morris, "made a dismissive, energetic gesture with his hand and said, 'Expel them'".

The order to expel an entire population "without attention to age" was signed by Yitzhak Rabin, a future prime minister promoted by the world's most efficient propaganda as a peacemaker. The terrible irony of this was addressed only in passing, such as when the Mapam party co-leader Meir Ya'ari noted "how easily" Israel's leaders spoke of how it was "possible and permissible to take women, children and old men and to fill the road with them because such is the imperative of strategy. And this we say . . . who remember who used this means against our people during the [Second World] War . . . I am appalled."

Every subsequent "war" Israel has waged has had the same objective: the expulsion of the native people and the theft of more and more land. The lie of David and Goliath, of perennial victim, reached its apogee in 1967 when the propaganda became a righteous fury that claimed the Arab states had struck first against Israel. Since then, mostly Jewish truth-tellers such as Avi Shlaim, Noam Chomsky, Tanya Reinhart, Neve Gordon, Tom Segev, Uri Avnery, Ilan Pappé and Norman Finkelstein have undermined this and other myths and revealed a state shorn of the humane traditions of Judaism, whose unrelenting militarism is the sum of an expansionist, lawless and racist ideology called Zionism. "It seems," wrote the Israeli historian Pappé on 2 January, "that even the most horrendous crimes, such as the genocide in Gaza, are treated as discrete events, unconnected to anything that happened in the past and not associated with any ideology or system . . . Very much as the apartheid ideology explained the oppressive policies of the South African government, this ideology - in its most consensual and simplistic variety - allowed all the Israeli governments in the past and the present to dehumanise the Palestinians wherever they are and strive to destroy them. The means altered from period to period, from location to location, as did the narrative covering up these atrocities. But there is a clear pattern [of genocide]."

In Gaza, the enforced starvation and denial of humanitarian aid, the piracy of life-giving resources such as fuel and water, the denial of medicines, the systematic destruction of infrastructure and killing and maiming of the civilian population, 50 per cent of whom are children, fall within the international standard of the Genocide Convention. "Is it an irresponsible overstatement," asked Richard Falk, UN special rapporteur for human rights in the occupied Palestinian territories and international law authority at Princeton University, "to associate the treatment of Palestinians with this criminalised Nazi record of collective atrocity? I think not."

In describing a “holocaust-in-the making”, Falk was alluding to the Nazis’ establishment of Jewish ghettos in Poland. For one month in 1943, the captive Polish Jews, led by Mordechaj Anielewicz, fought off the German army and the SS, but their resistance was finally crushed and the Nazis exacted their final revenge. Falk is also a Jew. Today’s holocaust-in-the-making, which began with Ben-Gurion’s Plan D, is in its final stages. The difference today is that it is a joint US-Israeli project. The F-16 jet fighters, the 250lb “smart” GBU-39 bombs supplied on the eve of the attack on Gaza, having been approved by a Congress dominated by the Democratic Party, plus the annual $2.4bn in warmaking “aid”, give Washington de facto control. It beggars belief that President-elect Obama was not informed. Outspoken about Russia’s war in Georgia and the terrorism in Mumbai, Obama has maintained a silence on Palestine that marks his approval, which is to be expected, given his obsequiousness to the Tel Aviv regime and its lobbyists during the presidential campaign and his appointment of Zionists as his secretary of state and principal Middle East advisers. When Aretha Franklin sings “Think”, her wonderful 1960s anthem to freedom, at Obama’s inauguration on 20 January, I trust someone with the brave heart of Muntader al-Zaidi, the shoe-thrower, will shout: “Gaza!”

The asymmetry of conquest and terror is clear. Plan D is now "Operation Cast Lead", which is the unfinished "Operation Justified Vengeance". This was launched by Prime Minister Ariel Sharon in 2001 when, with George W Bush's approval, he used F-16s against Palestinian towns and villages for the first time.

    Why are the academics and teachers silent? Are British universities now no more than “intellectual Tescos”?

In that same year, the authoritative Jane's Foreign Report disclosed that the Blair government had given Israel the "green light" to attack the West Bank after it was shown Israel's secret designs for a bloodbath. It was typical of new Labour's enduring complicity in Palestine's agony. However, the Israeli plan, reported Jane's, needed the "trigger" of a suicide bombing which would cause "numerous deaths and injuries [because] the 'revenge' factor is crucial". This would "motivate Israeli soldiers to demolish the Palestinians". What alarmed Sharon and the author of the plan, General Shaul Mofaz, then Israeli chief of staff, was a secret agreement between Yasser Arafat and Hamas to ban suicide attacks. On 23 November 2001 Israeli agents assassinated the Hamas leader Mahmoud Abu Hanoud and got their "trigger": the suicide attacks resumed in response to his killing.

Something uncannily similar happened on 4 November last year when Israeli special forces attacked Gaza, killing six people. Once again, they got their propaganda "trigger": a ceasefire sustained by the Hamas government - which had imprisoned its violators - was shattered as a result of the Israeli attacks, and home-made rockets were fired into what used to be called Palestine before its Arab occupants were "cleansed". On 23 December, Hamas offered to renew the ceasefire, but Israel's charade was such that its all-out assault on Gaza had been planned six months earlier, according to the Israeli daily Haaretz.

Behind this sordid game is the "Dagan Plan", named after General Meir Dagan, who served with Sharon during his bloody invasion of Leba non in 1982. Now head of Mossad, the Israeli intelligence organisation, Dagan is the author of a "solution" that has brought about the imprisonment of Palestinians behind a ghetto wall snaking across the West Bank and in Gaza, now effectively a concentration camp. The establishment of a quisling government in Ramallah, under Mahmoud Abbas, is Dagan's achievement, together with a hasbara (propaganda) campaign, relayed through mostly supine, if intimidated western media, notably in the US, which say Hamas is a terrorist organisation devoted to Israel's destruction and is to "blame" for the massacres and siege of its own people over two generations, since long before its creation. "We have never had it so good," said the Israeli foreign ministry spokesman Gideon Meir in 2006. "The hasbara effort is a well-oiled machine."

In fact, Hamas's real threat is its example as the Arab world's only democratically elected government, drawing its popularity from its resistance to the Palestinians' oppressor and tormentor. This was demonstrated when Hamas foiled a CIA coup in 2007, an event ordained in the western media as "Hamas's seizure of power". Likewise, Hamas is never described as a government, let alone democratic. Neither is its proposal of a ten-year truce reported as a historic recognition of the "reality" of Israel and support for a two-state solution with just one condition: that the Israelis obey international law and end their illegal occupation beyond the 1967 borders. As every annual vote in the UN General Assembly demonstrates, most states agree. On 4 January, the president of the General Assembly, Miguel d'Escoto, described the Israeli attack on Gaza as a "monstrosity".

When the monstrosity is done and the people of Gaza are even more stricken, the Dagan Plan foresees what Sharon called a "1948-style solution" - the destruction of all Palestinian leadership and authority, followed by mass expulsions into smaller and smaller "cantonments", and perhaps, finally, into Jordan. This demolition of institutional and educational life in Gaza is designed to produce, wrote Karma Nabulsi, a Palestinian exile in Britain, "a Hobbesian vision of an anarchic society: truncated, violent, powerless, destroyed, cowed . . . Look to the Iraq of today: that is what [Sharon] had in store for us, and he has nearly achieved it."

Dr Dahlia Wasfi is an American writer on Iraq and Palestine. She has a Jewish mother and an Iraqi Muslim father. "Holocaust denial is anti-Semitic," she wrote on 31 December. "But I'm not talking about the World War II, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad [the president of Iran] or Ashkenazi Jews. What I'm referring to is the holocaust we are all witnessing and responsible for in Gaza today and in Palestine over the past 60 years . . . Since Arabs are Semites, US-Israeli policy doesn't get more anti-Semitic than this." She quoted Rachel Corrie, the young American who went to Palestine to defend Palestinians and was crushed by an Israeli bulldozer. "I am in the midst of a genocide," wrote Corrie, "which I am also indirectly supporting, and for which my government is largely responsible."

Reading the words of both, I am struck by the use of "responsibility". Breaking the lie of silence is not an esoteric abstraction, but an urgent responsibility that falls to those with the privilege of a platform. With the BBC cowed, so too is much of journalism, merely allowing vigorous debate within unmovable, invisible boundaries, ever fearful of the smear of anti-Semitism. The unreported news, meanwhile, is that the death toll in Gaza is the equivalent of 18,000 dead in Britain. Imagine, if you can.

Then there are the academics, the deans and teachers and researchers. Why are they silent as they watch a university bombed and hear the Association of University Teachers in Gaza plead for help? Are British universities now, as Terry Eagleton believes, no more than “intellectual Tescos, churning out a commodity known as graduates rather than greengroceries”?

Then there are the writers. In the dark year of 1939, the Third American Writers' Congress was held at Carnegie Hall in New York and the likes of Thomas Mann and Albert Einstein sent messages and spoke up to ensure that the lie of silence was broken. By one account, 2,500 jammed the auditorium. Today, this mighty voice of realism and morality is said to be obsolete; the literary review pages affect an ironic hauteur of irrelevance; false symbolism is all. As for the readers, their moral and political imagination is to be pacified, not primed. The anti-Muslim Martin Amis expressed this well in Visiting Mrs Nabo kov: "The dominance of the self is not a flaw, it is an evolutionary characteristic; it is just how things are."

If that is how things are, we are diminished as a civilised people. For what happens in Gaza is the defining moment of our time, which either grants war criminals impunity and immunity through our silence, while we contort our own intellect and morality, or it gives us the power to speak out. For the moment I prefer my own memory of Gaza: of the people's courage and resistance and their "luminous humanity", as Karma Nabulsi put it. On my last trip there, I was rewarded with a spectacle of Palestinian flags fluttering in unlikely places. It was dusk and children had done this. No one had told them to do it. They made flagpoles out of sticks tied together, and a few of them climbed on to a wall and held the flag between them, some silently, others crying out. They do this every day when they know foreigners are leaving, in the belief that the world will not forget them.


If jews but down their weapon the world will be peacefull place , if the nazis but their weapons the world will be good place.

if muslims put down their weapon there will be no muslms stat an no more of gaza
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Re: Re Gaza
« Reply #1 on: November 14, 2009, 10:08:27 AM »
you have no right in justfying what israel did ot Gaza........

What Israel "did to" Gaza was to build it from a barren desert wasteland to a thriving community, over just 40 years, that had such an active and thriving farming community that they exported over 100 million dollars worth of produce a year. They turned it over to a bunch of animals that looted out the piping and computers in the greenhouses, burned the temples, and now sit around waiting for food to be thrown off the backs of relief trucks.

....... with noble priz the bible says that these lands were for  arab canan.

My interest is in who God says the lands belong to, not what some nobel prize nonsense ascribes.
The everlasting land covenant God has with His chosen people in the land of Canaan belongs to the seed of Isaac - not Ishmael.
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Re: Re Gaza
« Reply #2 on: November 14, 2009, 02:55:14 PM »
Israel attacked poeple of gaza , and started the war because simply they don't want others to have weapons as usa and the nazis how want to nuclear weapon for them self . tell how gave you the right no one .

holy bible says so ? Western blieve in bible!!!!!!!! if that true why you don't make the bible of laws for your countries . if you dont than you must either believe in the bible as whole or don't believe in it at all
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Re: Re Gaza
« Reply #3 on: November 14, 2009, 03:12:21 PM »
I was wondering about the Promise of Land God gave to the Jews and after looking at the map I say BACK UP ARABS!!!

Since I know God has kept His promises I say Thank you Lord, and praying for the Arabs to accept their invitation to have eternal life through Yeshua, the Son of God who died as our substitute and sits right now at the right side of God, WOW what a huge gift of Grace.




How Much Land Did God Give Israel in the Abraham Land Covenant?
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Written by tmrfiles on Jan-11-09 1:01pm
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Map with land of Israel with borders in red below representing the Royal Land Grant that God gave to Israel through the Abraham Covenant compared to what Israel actually has today in yellow on the map above it.

I wonder what would happen if the Jewish people suddenly woke up and realized they are being cheated out of all the land God has actually given them since the little sliver of land they are now living on is only a fraction of what is promised to them. And even that, the arabs and nations of the world are trying to steal the little fraction shown in yellow on the map, which is now Israel, little by little by waging terror war after war against the Jews and forcing a land for peace deal upon the Jews.

As indicated in an earlier post, this article will address how much land really belongs to the Jewish people; and in the end, a remnant of Jews will have all of what God promised to them in the Abraham Covenant, not just a sliver of land; and the arabs and the nations of the world will be punished severely by God for the way they have treated the Jewish people of Israel and around the world all of these years if they do not repent. So it is declared in the scriptures by God through his prophets,so shall it be.

A land called 'Palestine' did not exist when God made a covenant with Abraham and Abraham's descendants, the Jews, and it does not exist today. The land is called Canaan, now called Israel. Abraham is the first to be called Hebrew, it is noted in Genesis 14:13. There is no such thing as a land of Palestine.

There is much written about Abraham and his descendants, Isaac, Jacob and the Jewish people as it relates to Israel, the land God gave them in Genesis chapter 12, 15,26 and 28 and I suggest you look it up and read about it yourself in the scriptures. For the purpose of this article, I will include the relevant scriptures. Three times God, in the scriptures, made the same covenant to Abraham's descendants the Jews, so there can be no mistake.

In Genesis 12, it is declared by Moses"NOW the Lord had said unto Abram, Get thee out of thy country, and from thy kindred, and from thy father's house, unto a land that I will shew thee": vs. 1 Abram obeyed the Lord, and went into the land of Canaan. vs. 5

God made the Covenant with Abraham, giving him the land of Canaan. "In the same day the LORD made a covenaant with Abraham, saying, Unto thy seed have I given this land, from the river of Egypt unto the great river." Genesis 15:18.

The southern border of Canaan is the river of Egypt, with the northern border being the River Euphrates.

The Lord appeared to Isaac, Abraham's son by Sarah, and who inherited the land promise of God to Abraham, and said: "Sojourn in this land, and I will be with thee, and will bless thee; for unto thee, and unto thy seed, I will give all these countries, and I will perform the oath which I sware unto Abraham thy father"; Genesis 26:3

After Isaac, Isaac's son Jacob, whose name was changed to Israel by God: "And he said, Thy name shall be called no more Jacob, but Israel: for as a prince hast thou power with God and men, and hast prevailed," Genesis 32:28, inherited the land covenant with Abraham as declared by God in Genesis Chapter 28: "I am the LORD God of Abraham thy father, the God of Isaac: the land whereon thou liest, to thee will I give it, and to thy seed".vs. 13

After Moses delivered the Israelites out of Egypt into the promised land of Canaan, God gave specific boundries of Canaan land as declared in Numbers 34:1-2:
AND the LORD spake unto Moses, saying, Command the children of Israel, and say unto them, When ye come into the land of Canaan; this is the land that shall fall unto you for an inheritance, even the land of Canaan with the coasts thereof: 1-2
The Southern border of Canaan Land or Israel:Then your south quarter shall be from the wilderness of Zin along by the coast of Edom, and your south border shall be the outmost coast of the salt sea eastward: vs. 3And your border shall turn from the south to the ascent of Akrabbim, and pass on to Zin: and the going forth thereof shall be from the south to Kadeshbarnea, and shall go on to Hazaraddar, and pass on to Azmon: vs. 4And the border shall fetch a compass from Azmon unto the river of Egypt, and the goings out of it shall be at the sea. vs. 5
The Northern border of Canaan Land or Israel:And this shall be your north border: from the great sea ye shall point out for you mount Hor: From mount Hor ye shallm point out your border unto the the entrance of Hamath; and the goings forth of the border shall be to Zedad: And the border shall go on to Ziphron, and the goings out of it shall be at Hazarenan: this shall be your north border. Numbers 7-9
The Western border of Canaan Land or Israel:And as for the western border, ye shall even have the great sea for a border: this shall be your west border. Numbers 34:6
The Eastern border of Canaan Land or Israel:And ye shall point out your east border from Hazarenan to Shepham: And the coast shall go down from Shepham to Riblah, on the east side of Ain; and the border shall descend, and shall reach unto the side of the sea of Chinereth eastward. And the border shall go down to Jordan, and the goings out of it shall be at the salt sea: this swhall be your land with the coasts thereof round about. Numbers 34:10-12
The Lord further declares in Leviticus 25:23 that "The land shall not be sold for ever: for the land is mine; for ye are strangers and sojourners with me."
A land for peace deal, and chopping up the land of Canaan or Israel that the arabs and nations of the world have done and are now trying to force upon the Jewish people again with Judea and Samaria that they have renamed and dubbed the "West Bank" is completely off limits and God will deal severely with all those involved in the cutting up of His land that He promised to the Jews.

As for the war going on today with the Israelis and the terrorists Hamas who have taken over Gaza, Joshua narrows it down and tells us that Gaza also belongs to Israel, specifically the tribe of Judah.
This is the inheritance of the tribe of the children of Judah according to their families. Joshua 15:20 Ashdod with her towns and her villages, Gaza with her towns and her villages, unto the river of Egypt, and the great sea, and the border thereof: Joshua 15:47.

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Re: Re Gaza
« Reply #4 on: November 15, 2009, 07:15:50 AM »
I was wondering about the Promise of Land God gave to the Jews and after looking at the map I say BACK UP ARABS!!!

Since I know God has kept His promises I say Thank you Lord, and praying for the Arabs to accept their invitation to have eternal life through Yeshua, the Son of God who died as our substitute and sits right now at the right side of God, WOW what a huge gift of Grace.




How Much Land Did God Give Israel in the Abraham Land Covenant?
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Written by tmrfiles on Jan-11-09 1:01pm
From:  filesfromtoni.blogspot.com

Map with land of Israel with borders in red below representing the Royal Land Grant that God gave to Israel through the Abraham Covenant compared to what Israel actually has today in yellow on the map above it.

I believe what Israel has been reduced to today is detailed in your map in gray/brown, not yellow (pink in the map below).



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Re: Re Gaza
« Reply #5 on: November 15, 2009, 12:23:34 PM »
It truly is a shame that the what the Jews land has been reduced to. Not to worry though give it some time and Israel will see ALL of its' land restored.
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« Reply #6 on: November 15, 2009, 12:50:08 PM »
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you have no right in justfying what israel did ot Gaza with noble priz the bible says that these lands were for  arab canan.

Strictly speaking arabs are people from,and stay with me here this gets a little tricky, the ARABian peninsula. Hence the moniker Arab. If you are wondering where that is. It is that vast desert wasteland to the east of Israel your arab muslim bretheren call home. Secondly, if you wish to claim descent from a bunch of child sacraficing pagans that is your own problem to solve. Third, setting aside the sheer absurdity of "your" post on the Palestinian "oppression" it has been shown that they do not wish for peaceful co-existence with the Jews. They torment the Jewish community and when they recieve retaliation they act like they are the victim.

Let's set aside the fact for a moment that we obviously have different ideologies and talk about facts neither of us can ignore. You explain to me using sheer logic and skills of reasoning and discernment how a man with an explosive strapped to his chest and blowing up INNOCENT women and children is furthering the "freedom" of the Palestinians?

When the land of Palestine was being ruled by the various Islamic empires did the Palestinians, assuming their were any such people then, ask for their own country? NO. They only started getting their burqas in a knot when the Jews came home to land that has historically always been theirs. When the other Islamic countries came into "Palestine" and occupied it for the 1967 war did the Palestinians cry "invasion"? NO. When their were talks of dividing the land now called "Palestine" amongst the other Islamic countries did the Palestinians cry "unfair"? NO. And when billions of dollars were pumped their from the US and other countries to help stabilize and establish Palestine as a country did the Palestinians do that? NO. Why? Because the muslim community benefits more from the "Palestinians" being the victim rather than an autonomous group. So long as this conflict is twisted to demonize Jews Palestine will never become a country. You can thank your Islamic doctrine for that not the Jews, or the US or Christians.

Here is a thread that may put the "Palestinian" conflict into perspective for you. Though I doubt it.

http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=766.0
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Re: Re Gaza
« Reply #7 on: November 16, 2009, 10:10:43 AM »
The western pgans who put people on the stage to fight loins to death must not know anything about mideast .

holy lands were for arab pagan not for western or jew . but jew came later to the holy land .

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestine
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Re: Re Gaza
« Reply #8 on: November 16, 2009, 11:44:24 AM »
Nowhere in their does it say that the area belonged to the arabs before the Jew. It belonged to the Canaanites. The Canaanites are not arab because they are not, say it with me, FROM THE ARABIAN PENINSULA.

Arab-1.A member of a Semitic people inhabiting Arabia, whose language and Islamic religion spread widely throughout the Middle East and northern Africa from the seventh century.

From the link you gave.

According to Moshe Sharon, Palaestina was commonly used to refer to the coastal region, and shortly thereafter, the whole of the area inland to the west of the Jordan River.[3] The latter extension occurred when the Roman authorities, following the suppression of the Bar Kokhba rebellion in the 2nd century CE, renamed "Provincia Judea" (Iudaea Province; originally derived from the name "Judah") to "Syria Palaestina" (Syria Palaestina), in order to complete the dissociation with Judaea

The name Palestine was given to the region by the Romans as an insult to the Jews because the Philistines, from which the name is derived, was their ancient enemy.

Not that I consider the koran as anything but a jumbled rip off of other peoples beliefs I understand you consider it Divine. So if you dispute that the Jews have no claim to Israel you are calling Allah a liar.
"To Moses We [Allah] gave nine clear signs. Ask the Israelites how he [Moses] first appeared amongst them. Pharoah said to him: 'Moses, I can see that you are bewitched.' 'You know full well,' he [Moses] replied, 'that none but the Lord of the heavens and the earth has revealed these visible signs. Pharoah, you are doomed.'"

"Pharoah sought to scare them [the Israelites] out of the land [of Israel]: but We [Allah] drowned him [Pharoah] together with all who were with him. Then We [Allah] said to the Israelites: 'Dwell in this land [the Land of Israel]. When the promise of the hereafter [End of Days] comes to be fulfilled, We [Allah] shall assemble you [the Israelites] all together [in the Land of Israel].""We [Allah] have revealed the Qur'an with the truth, and with the truth it has come down. We have sent you [Muhammed] forth only to proclaim good news and to give warning."

[Qur'an, "Night Journey," chapter 17:100-104]

What is sad is this prophecy was ripped off by Muhammad from the Jews. The Bible states clearly many times that the land is the Jews in perpetuity.




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Re: Re Gaza
« Reply #9 on: November 16, 2009, 02:16:13 PM »
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Nowhere in their does it say that the area belonged to the arabs before the Jew. It belonged to the Canaanites. The Canaanites are not arab because they are not, say it with me, FROM THE ARABIAN PENINSULA.
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what canaanites are not arab you are so fool to say such thing . those canaaites are arabs  but jews are form israel  , and if they are not didn't why jews throw the canaaites Palestinian  when the enter Palestinan 1949 .
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« Reply #10 on: November 17, 2009, 07:04:59 AM »
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Nowhere in their does it say that the area belonged to the arabs before the Jew. It belonged to the Canaanites. The Canaanites are not arab because they are not, say it with me, FROM THE ARABIAN PENINSULA.
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what canaanites are not arab you are so fool to say such thing . those canaaites are arabs  but jews are form israel  , and if they are not didn't why jews throw the canaaites Palestinian  when the enter Palestinan 1949 .

And when the Lord granted the Jews all the land of Canaan they were to kill all of the present inhabitants. They failed to follow God's instructions, taking some as slaves and such, and they paid a 2500 year price of exile, and today the people they failed to wipe out are the bane of humanity.
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« Reply #11 on: November 17, 2009, 09:57:25 AM »
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what canaanites are not arab you are so fool to say such thing . those canaaites are arabs  but jews are form israel  , and if they are not didn't why jews throw the canaaites Palestinian  when the enter Palestinan 1949 .

Show me the geneological record that shows Caananites being the predecessor of arabs. Show me the archealogical proof. Futhermore even if you could supply such a record, which you can not, you are claiming descent from a bunch of pagans who were so evil they sacraficed children to false gods by throwing them alive on brazen hot idols. God wanted those people to repent. They did not and so had to go. Perhaps you want to lay claim to that legacy because it would help explain your "prophet's" own evil behaviour. I noticed you did not respond to this.


"To Moses We [Allah] gave nine clear signs. Ask the Israelites how he [Moses] first appeared amongst them. Pharoah said to him: 'Moses, I can see that you are bewitched.' 'You know full well,' he [Moses] replied, 'that none but the Lord of the heavens and the earth has revealed these visible signs. Pharoah, you are doomed.'"

"Pharoah sought to scare them [the Israelites] out of the land [of Israel]: but We [Allah] drowned him [Pharoah] together with all who were with him. Then We [Allah] said to the Israelites: 'Dwell in this land [the Land of Israel]. When the promise of the hereafter [End of Days] comes to be fulfilled, We [Allah] shall assemble you [the Israelites] all together [in the Land of Israel].""We [Allah] have revealed the Qur'an with the truth, and with the truth it has come down. We have sent you [Muhammed] forth only to proclaim good news and to give warning."

[Qur'an, "Night Journey," chapter 17:100-104]

Answer this and maybe I will decide to take your claims a little more seriously. Though not too much more since the koran is barely worth being called a book.

Secondly the Jews didn't make any arab leave Palestine. The british moved them to the east side with the intent of setting up a country for them. A country that would exist today if your muslim brethren would stop killing. It isn't our fault that the reprobate nature of Islam made the Ottoman empire side with the wrong side in WW1. Again you can thank Muhammad for muslims failure to live in peace.
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Re: Re Gaza
« Reply #12 on: November 18, 2009, 12:08:43 PM »
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The land of Palestine Arab land since the Canaanite Arab tribes migrated from the Arabian peninsula more than five
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did you know where is qatar they were living there .


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Secondly the Jews didn't make any arab leave Palestine. The british moved them to the east side with the intent of setting up a country for them. A country that would exist today if your muslim brethren would stop killing. It isn't our fault that the reprobate nature of Islam made the Ottoman empire side with the wrong side in WW1. Again you can thank Muhammad for muslims failure to live in peace.

did you know you western are so pathetic even in laying . Jew extermneted muslims and drove them out and about muslims stop killing. you just put everything in head of muslims like you never did something wrong
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« Reply #13 on: November 18, 2009, 01:06:27 PM »
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did you know where is qatar they were living there .


There is no archaelogical proof of arabs ever having the land of Canaan before the Jews. PERIOD. Just the vain imaginings of a bunch of muslim thieves. Muslims even do damage to sites like the temple mount in Jerusalem to eradicate an abundance of archaelogical evidence that shows the heritage of the Jews. So again you have failed to provide anything but your opinion.

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did you know you western are so pathetic even in laying . Jew extermneted muslims and drove them out and about muslims stop killing. you just put everything in head of muslims like you never did something wrong

Did you know muslims have a practice called taqiyah that allows them to lie. So don't talk to me about pathetic when you prop up an ideology that encourages lying. And if the Jews had exterminated the muslims in Palestine they wouldn't still be over their blowing themselves up. The Israeli army is among the most sophisticated in the world. They posses weapons the arabs wish they had, and yet they have not deployed them on their neighbours. BECAUSE unlike muslims the Jews have a higher regard for human life.
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« Reply #14 on: November 20, 2009, 09:00:02 AM »
There is  archaelogical proof. and it was found in qatar you are son pathetic they live qatar thant got out to find a better palce .

give one proof that jews lived in holy land , give one proof that jews didn't kill muslims , give one proof that roman had the holy land .
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« Reply #15 on: November 20, 2009, 09:50:21 AM »
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There is  archaelogical proof. and it was found in qatar you are son pathetic they live qatar thant got out to find a better palce .


Ok I will explain this to you so you can understand. Saying something exists is not the same as it actually existing.

And for your second claim. Your contention is that pre-arabian arabs (a contradiction in terms) left a land where there is an abundance of water and fertile soil to go to an arid desert devoid of anything worth having. And that is somehow better. Some logic you have their.


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give one proof that jews lived in holy land , give one proof that jews didn't kill muslims , give one proof that roman had the holy land .

I could give you a straight answer and say, "HISTORY". But we all know your knowledge of history leaves something to be desired.

Though I know you will dismiss these links and the evidence they show because you are too indoctrinated to Islamic lies I will provide them nonetheless.

http://israelseen.com/2009/11/16/the-big-lie-the-muslims-jerusalem-and-archaeology-part-two/


As you will see on the map the Romans did in fact control the "holy land" well before Muhammad had told his first lie.
http://www.centuryone.com/rmnwrd.html


As for Jews killing muslims I would say perhaps muslims should stop attacking Israelis and live in peace with them and the Jews wouldn't need to defend themselves. How many Israeli terrorist attacks are reported around the world? 0.  How many muslim terrorist attacks just since 911? 14,000 and counting. At least you muslims are good at something.
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« Reply #16 on: November 20, 2009, 07:36:57 PM »
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did you know where is qatar they were living there .

On a side note you should look at a map once in a while. Qatar is not located in the "holy land". It isn't even included in the land the OT kingdom of Israel was promised. Qatar rests on a peninsula that juts out into the Persian Gulf and is also part of ARABIA. Now we are back to square one. It isn't a wonder they found arab stuff in ARABia. The true task for them is finding evidence of arab civilization in the "holy land" prior to the Islamic conquest that came their in the seventh century.

The truth is they have found no such evidence and they will not. Everytime they claim to have found something to prove their claims they will not allow it to be examined for authenticity anyway. IF they are right what have they to fear of examination? Problem is they are not right.
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