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brotherjw (3 hours ago)
What's hyper about calling you out on your false claim of my not answering a question? If it was a mistake, it would have been far more difficult for you to make it, if we were conducting this in the organization of the forum.
But you seem to be indicating that you didnt even bother looking back a single page, before making your false accusation.
By the way, it isn't likely that an individual is going to drive up our forum internet rankings, when we have logged 787 visitors in a single day, through Islamic cyber-terror DDoS attacks. I will continue to paste our conversation in there for reference, in case you muster courage to spend a minute or two, to pick a user ID and password, and then confirm when an email automatically comes to your inbox.
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=905.0 brotherjw (3 hours ago)
"Listen, if you don't have an answer to the point I've brought up about Taking women as prisoners of war...."
You apparently couldn't see that WAS the answer. You are pretending that the revelation of God ended in the early Old Testament books when mankind was little more than desert dwelling nomads.
Yet as a Muslim you have no choice but to understand that God's message to us was a gradually unfolding revelation. By Mohammed's day, 1,500 years had passed since any Hebrew prophet was described in the Old Testament as using a sword in the service of God.
If you don't believe in progressive revelation, then you can't buy into Mohammed's 7th century religion, because he deceived you into believing he is the final prophet.
Indeed in order to make any sense of the self-contradictory nature of the Quran, Muslim scholars are compelled to understand that even Mohammeds short 23 year record, is one of progressive revelation within itself.
brotherjw (2 hours ago)
Since you are not a genealogical Jew, the old covenant from which you prooftext your verses does not even apply to GENTILES like you and I, let alone to the way God revealed Himself later on.
Was it Muslims that God had build the tabernacle on the temple mount in which to sacrifice animals to atone for sin? That would be a ridiculous notion, wouldn't it. Yet you actually think you could have an understanding of that covenant, in the same way that one of God's chosen people for whom it was intended. (let alone that the natural man cannot understand the things of the spirit of God).
brotherjw (2 hours ago)
By the way, since you are too much of a coward to join the forum, yet turn around and spam a dozen comments in a row here, it would be folly to expect me to chase back and forth in these pages to answer to every point (particularly since you don't even bother to do so yourself), when we could otherwise have a perfectly organized discussion in the forum. If I miss something of particular interest to you, post it individually, so it isn't lost in your blizzard of proof-texted nonsense. If I've already answered it I will post a link to the comment in the forum.
Nor will I waste my time here when you ask a single simple question, that requires a detailed answer (such as the divinity of Jesus Christ) but will post a link to the forum that offers specific answers.
brotherjw (20 minutes ago)
What you are doing is viewing the revelation of God IN REVERSE in order to justify the murder, prisoner rape, pillage and plunder of Mohammed's 7th century imperialistic conquest, as if it was sanctioned by God, when Mohammed's behavior, and his book, are THE EXACT OPPOSITE of that revealed through Jesus Christ, and the new covenant prophets and witnesses we were given, well over 500 years before Mohammed's "revelations".
Proof texting verses out of chronological context from the Quran won't serve you any better since, as you should know, Mohammed's earlier more peaceful verses recited in Mecca, are substituted for by Mohammed's later violent Medina verses, that call Muslims to violence against non-Muslims. That's why there have been over 14,000 deadly Islamic terror attacks around the world, just since 9-11, by GOOD Muslims that GET ISLAM and follow in the mold of the false prophet Mohammed.
brotherjw (19 minutes ago)
"NONE of them translate to Jesus (pbuh) saying "I am God" or 'Worship me"! Produce your proofs and we shall see InshaAllah if you there is any truth in them."
Why would you think God is under any obligation to quote you???!!! That's nothing but foolishness.
Both in old covenant prophecy and in new covenant fulfillment we learn that Jesus is God. Coexistent with the Father from the beginning. The WAY God chose to reveal Himself to us in terms we humans could understand. The ONE mediator of for all mankind.
But it is the pinnacle of folly for anyone to think this subject can be covered in YouTube bits and pieces. But then, that's exactly why you love the confusion of these bits and pieces, which you indicated earlier, that you apparently can't even be bothered by checking back a single page.
For Muslim forum read-only participants, who actually have an interest in answers, we have a forum category devoted to the subject. Come join us.
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?board=40.0brotherjw (17 minutes ago)
"Whoever told you that I was advocating that the teachings of the Qur'an are in total compliance with those of your bible???"
It would be ridiculous for any Christian to suggest that a Muslim could make such a claim, since Mohammed and his book are THE EXACT OPPOSITE of that revealed through Jesus Christ and ALL of the new covenant prophets and witnesses.
Islam is to the new covenant as the negative is to a photograph.
For example, Mohammed filled his followers with complete resolve as to WHAT NOT TO BELIEVE. Muslims are compelled to believe that Jesus WAS NOT CRUCIFIED, yet Mohammed left his minions with a complete vacuum as to WHO WAS CRUCIFIED.
Thus Islam emerges as the ONLY anti-another-religion, religion. Islam is antichrist.
I've asked Muslims WHO DID die on the cross and found them universally to be "...full of doubts, with no (certain) knowledge, but only conjecture to follow...".
brotherjw (16 minutes ago)
By the way, since you are too much of a coward to join the forum, yet turn around and spam a dozen comments in a row here, it would be folly to expect me to chase back and forth in these pages to answer to every point (particularly since you don't even bother to do so yourself), when we could otherwise have a perfectly organized discussion in the forum. If I miss something of particular interest to you, post it individually, so it isn't lost in your blizzard of proof-texted nonsense. If I've already answered it I will post a link to the comment in the forum.
Nor will I waste my time here when you ask a single simple question, that requires a detailed answer (such as the divinity of Jesus Christ) but will post a link to the forum that offers specific answers.
brotherjw (15 minutes ago)
"...the concept of spoils of war is not unique to the Qur'an. It has been there in the Christian and Jewish holy books...."
Then please show us where the theft of the property of others, through imperialistic conquest or otherwise, is sanctioned, or even detailed, in the new covenant we were given through Jesus Christ 2,000 years ago.
brotherjw (11 minutes ago)
"So, when Paul told the Jews that your blood is on your heads, it clearly meant that if they insisted on rejecting Jesus as the Christ, then their blood is on their head; killing them would be allowed. It is a capital punishment statement. This goes for all Jews."
What Paul was doing was confirming what the Jews had said themselves.
Mat 27:25 Then answered all the people, and said, His blood [be] on us, and on our children.
Paul was explaining that if they didn't believe in Jesus, and let Him wash their transgressions, that their reward would be just as they asked for.
brotherjw (10 minutes ago)
And then you go on to quote some book "Christianity in the West" as if to support your preposterous nonsense? You are fading fast my friend. The only way to know God is through the way He revealed Himself to us.
The Roman Catholic Church killed millions of Jews, Muslims AND CHRISTIANS. There are many parallels between the Roman Church and Islam. Like murdering those who differ from what you believe, historical hatred of Jews, veneration of Mary, vane repetitions with both even having prayer bead talismans to aid, etc. etc.
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=512.0There is a whole section in the forum on Roman Catholicism heresy. The question is, what does the Word of God say, not the foolishness of men. Try to avoid wasting both of our time with nonsense.
brotherjw (4 seconds ago)
So far you've listed your false presumption, of a single verse, in a failed attempt to draw a new covenant equivalent, to Mohammed's? imperialistic murder, prisoner rape, and thievery. Care to try again?
