chat with elazeez

[Peter]

Jan 18 then copied a more recent version on Jan 19

(don't bother reading. This is for the record with unrelated parties names edited out) Channel comment that I left on elazeez channel copy and pasted 19 hours after it posted, with a few earlier comments included for verification.
http://www.youtube.com/user/elazeez
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Channel Comments (21)
elazeez
   
elazeez (5 hours ago)
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@Pete: It is you who is resorting to cheap tactics of deleting my comments on your channel since you cannot answer them. Being a Muslim, I do not need to play games with you because my 'deen' is the truth and the truth is in never in need of games. Besides, now here's another reason for me to NOT join that forum run by you, where you'll have the best of games (read 'Administrative Privileges') at hand to play around (delete, edit et. al.) with what I post and comment on?

And yes I did block your brotherjw account. from commenting on this page; what is so 'interesting' about it that you mention it? twice in a single paragraph?
PeteWaldo
   
PeteWaldo (19 hours ago)
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Isn't that interesting. When I visit elazeez channel as brotherjw, there is no space to write channel comments in, just like I had been blocked. Isn't that interesting?
But when I use my PeteWaldo ID I find the comment blank available to type in this comment.

If anyone would like to witness the spectacle of elazeez getting schooled, please visit our exchange in the channel comments of brotherjw, by clicking on my brotherjw icon below.?
elazeez
   
elazeez (2 days ago)
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@zulf[edit out part]: I have no reason to believe you and no reason to not believe you as well. If you're talking of Dr. Naik,? I'd recommend you watch his video _The Qur'an and Modern Science: Compatible or Incompatible_, look out for the latest version where he's answered a LOT of new questions and included additional information as well :)
elazeez
   
elazeez (2 days ago)
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I am sorry... i don't support advertising so much. You could do it on your channel by pasting the same link there and hope the InshaAllah someone with enough time on his/her hands will come to take a look. I promise, I won't stop them atleast not with the amount? of knowledge that I have about you & the site today; but then again, who knows what leaves you're going to turn over next.
zulf[edit out part]
   
zulf[edit out part] (3 days ago)
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i sent many suras with false informations to dr. naik, he did not answer me.
i have more than 46 suras full of hatred,? false infoamations, violence and discriminations against women.
elazeez
   
elazeez (4 days ago)
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Please check your channel for my answer; I've posted it there...
InshaAllah I'll copy-paste the same here? as well soon.
brotherjw
   
brotherjw (4 days ago)
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"....spoils of war is not unique to the Qur'an. It has been there in the Christian and Jewish holy books for time immemorial as well."

Show us where plundering the property of others,? particularly through imperialistic conquest, is sanctioned, or even described, in the Christian books of the new covenant (testament) Gospel we were given through Jesus Christ 2,000 years ago.
elazeez
   
elazeez (4 days ago)
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"God does not forbid you from showing kindness and dealing justly with those who have not fought you about religion and have not driven you out of your homes. God loves just dealers. (al-Quran, 60:8)"
"And fight them until persecution is no more, and religion is for God. But if they desist, then let there be no hostility except against wrongdoers. (al-Quran 2:193)"
"Let there be no compulsion in religion: Truth stands out clear from error: whoever rejects evil and believes in Allah hath grasped the most trustworthy handhold, that never breaks. And Allah heareth and knoweth all things. (al-Quran, 2:256)"
"Again and again will those who disbelieve, wish? that they had bowed (to God's will) in Islam. Leave them alone, to enjoy (the good things of this life) and to please themselves: let (false) hope amuse? them: soon will knowledge (undeceive them). (al-Quran, 15:2-3)"
elazeez
   
elazeez (4 days ago)
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Take note of what the Qur'an says about war & peace:
"Fight in the cause of God those who fight you, but do not transgress limits; for God loveth not transgressors. (al-Quran, 2:190)"
"But if the enemy incline towards peace, do thou (also) incline towards peace, and trust in God: for He is One that heareth and knoweth? (all things). (al-Quran,? 8:61)"
"If thou dost stretch thy hand against me, to slay me, it is not for me to stretch my hand against thee to slay thee: for I do fear God, the cherisher of the worlds. (al-Quran, 5:28)"
elazeez
   
elazeez (4 days ago)
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In case you didn't notice yet, I haven't denied that the Qur'an talks about taking spoils of war after Victory (your reference to Surah Anfal, Chapter 8 of the Qur'an). I have only quoted certain points for your consideration which might tell you that the concept of spoils of war is not unique to the Qur'an. It has been there in the Christian and Jewish holy books for time immemorial as well. So why point a finger at the Qur'an when your own religions talk of actions similar? Hypocrisy??


 brotherjw
   
brotherjw (4 days ago)
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"You've just pushed the the line with your abusive missionary ways of interaction. I'm going to have to delete that last post of yours on my channel because I will NOT tolerate any kind of abuse hurled against our Beloved Prophet Muhammed (pbuh)."

Then perhaps you can post the title of chaper 8 of the Quran yourself.
Does it read like this? - Exodus 20:15 Thou shalt not? steal.
Are you sure that what you mean isn't that you refuse to engage in an honest discussion, of Mohammed's behavior, as bequeathed to us through Islam's own books?

To elazeez's fellow Muslims please come join us. Let's discuss it in the forum at brotherpete.
ChristRedeemer333
   
ChristRedeemer333 (4 days ago)
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I am not against people I am against wrong spirit once I was the victom and I share with others what is going on since? a lot of people do not know arabic!
elazeez
   
elazeez (5 days ago)
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@kuriTa3jili
What was that about?? What are you referring to?
kuri[edit out part]
   
kuri[edit out part] (5 days ago)
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u lying idiot
what u think? yourself r?
elazeez
   
elazeez (6 days ago)
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In my talks, I am trying to uphold the commandment of Allah the Almighty in the Qur'an pertaining to inter-religious dialogue which says "Invite (all) to the Way of thy Lord with wisdom and beautiful preaching; and argue with them in ways that are best and most gracious: for thy Lord knoweth best, who have strayed from His Path, and who receive guidance. And if ye do catch them out, catch them out no worse than they catch you out: But if ye show patience, that is indeed the best (course) for those who are patient. And do thou be patient, for thy patience is but from Allah. nor grieve over them: and distress? not thyself because of their plots. For Allah is with those who restrain themselves, and those who do good.'' (The Noble Qur'an, Surah An-Nahl (The Bee), Chapter 16: Verses: 125-128)
elazeez
   
elazeez (6 days ago)
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You've just pushed the the line with your abusive missionary ways of? interaction. I'm going to have to delete that last post of yours on my channel because I will NOT tolerate any kind of abuse hurled against our Beloved Prophet Muhammed (pbuh). If you want to talk on this channel, talk in a refined manner as I do, or else lets keep the discussion restricted to your own channel (where you've got loads of filth strewn around).
elazeez
   
elazeez (1 week ago)
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Yes the majority of Christians are good people, refraining from resorting to abuse and vile language. The Qur'an says "...and nearest among them in love to the believers will you find those who say, 'We are Christians,' because amongst these are men devoted to learning and men who have renounced the world, and they are not arrogant" (The Noble Qur'an, Chapter 5: Verse82).

But from interactions with you (ON YOUR CHANNEL) AND from a quick reading of some threads in YOUR forum brotherpete(dot)con, I could deduce that YOU and some of your friends on that forum, resort to cheap tactics of hurtling uncalled for abuses and using inappropriate language to talk about Islam. That piece of advice I gave in my last post below, was for YOU and your friends on that? forum.
brotherjw
   
brotherjw (1 week ago)
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But Christians don't engage in vile language my friend. Perhaps you're trying to discourage your fellow Muslims because you? know they will come into the light of truth there. Your comment is more of an expression of fear.

John 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
elazeez
   
elazeez (1 week ago)
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Thanks but NO THANKS brotherjw. I am not joining? the forum myself, simply because I don't want to give out free traffic to the website AND also because I don't have time for it.

BUT, if someone else wants to go out there and have an inter-religious dialog/debate with you and your Christian friends, then s/he is free to follow the invite.

However, I would advise you to keep vile language out of the discussions so as to promote better dialog and understanding between members of both faiths..
brotherjw
   
brotherjw (1 week ago)
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For all of elazeez's Muslim friends please? come join us in the Islam-Christian forum at BrotherPete. com

[Peter]

Jan 19
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elazeez (6 hours ago)

If the comforter were really the holy ghost, why does Jesus (pbuh) say in Gospel of John chapter 16 verse 7: "Nevertheless I tell you the truth; it is expedient for you that I go away: FOR IF I GO NOT AWAY THE COMFORTER WILL NOT COME TO YOU; but if I depart, I will send him unto you". Going by your Bible, the holy Ghost was present with Jesus even while he was on this earth!

Besides, your cheap tactics of selectively answering my questions, while deleting the ones for which you don't have any answer, are only proving to me that deep down inside you agree that your religion (as taught by Paul, who himself said he only 'thinks' 'if what he wrote was inspired by GOD) cannot answer a lot of things and thus is far from perfect. Once again I challenge you to post the two questions I posted atleast 10 times yesterday (and you kept deleting them) here on this channel if you are truthful.

   
elazeez (6 hours ago)

"So far you've listed your false presumption, of a single verse, in a failed attempt to draw a new covenant equivalent, to Mohammed's imperialistic murder, prisoner rape, and thievery. Care to try again?" -> Care to read my posts once again? You've evaded answering most of them by misquoting/quoting out of context in your missionary zeal to stay upright despite being shown the truth, and now you ask me to give you further proof from your own Bible? C'mon, go back and read my posts once again, and give me your answers. Besides, the false religion that Paul preached can NEVER be equated with Islam completely so there is NO question of me quoting something just to please you..

[Peter]

brotherjw (1 hour ago)

"....the holy Ghost was present..."
You can read absolutely that the Comforter is the Holy Ghost, in no uncertain terms, yet you approach the verse with greater illiteracy than your false prophet possessed.
Then you continue to blaspheme the Word, because it makes fools out of your heros.

It's about function. The Spirit of God was manifest in creation (Gen 1-2). The Spirit of God was with regenerate men of the old covenant (Exodus 31-3). But the Holy Spirit manifest after the crucifixion - IN JESUS NAME - the Comforter - is manifest within those who have faith in the saving power of Jesus' shed blood. Continuing to guide and teach us the Gospel of Jesus Christ. The indwelling of the Holy Spirit.

1Cr 6:19 What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost [which is] in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own?

   
brotherjw (1 hour ago)

Here is the spirit that indwells Muslims and all other Gentiles that deny the Son of God.

1John 2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? HE IS ANTICHRIST, THAT DENIETH the Father and THE SON. 23 WHOSOEVER DENIETH THE SON, THE SAME HATH NOT THE FATHER....

John 3:36 He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and HE THAT BELIEVETH NOT THE SON SHALL NOT SEE LIFE, BUT THE WRATH OF GOD ABIDETH ON HIM.

Why pick on Paul when YOU MUST REJECT ALL of the prophets and witnesses of the Gospel to follow your STAND-ALONE 7th century black hearted reprobate? The wrath of God, my friend.

[Peter]

 elazeez  (53 minutes ago)

I cannot reply it you keep deleting my posts... You're just resorting to cheap tactics of deleting my comments on your channel since you cannot answer them. Being a Muslim, I do not need to play games with you because my 'deen' is the truth and the truth is in never in need of games.

Besides, now here's another reason for me to NOT join that forum run by you, where you'll have the best of games (read 'Administrative Privileges') at hand to play around (delete, edit et. al.) with what I post and comment on.

[Peter]

brotherjw (53 minutes ago)

"Besides, your cheap tactics of selectively answering my questions, while deleting the ones for which you don't have any answer...."
While repeating a lie has worked for some, like Hitler and Mohammed, but it won't work here. Repeating lies do not make them come true. They only serve to make you a bigger liar, and you are already in deep trouble in that department. God Himself makes you a liar.

1Jo 5:10 He that BELIEVETH ON THE SON OF GOD hath the witness in himself: HE THAT BELIEVETH NOT GOD HATH MADE HIM A LIAR; because HE BELIEVED NOT THE RECORD that God gave OF HIS SON.

   
brotherjw (50 minutes ago)

Why would you think your ridiculous points are of such import when AN IMAM is drowning in Mohammedanism on my other channel? I have never deleted a post (except a few by accident that I was able to restore).
Did you try cutting your posts in half? If they have links did you remove or break up the links?
Of course not because you find it far preferable to lie against me. It is YOU that censored my post on your channel.
Try posting your comment just as it was, and then immediately hit your refresh button. When your post disappears again, will it be your presumption that I somehow was able to select the exact second to come between your posting it, and your hitting your refresh button? This will expose the fact that you are lying, to yourself. What will you do then?


brotherjw (48 minutes ago)

"I cannot reply it you keep deleting my posts..."

How could I have deleted your post? As you can see by the time stamp, I was writing mine.
Post it again and immediately hit your refresh button. Do you really think I could pick that exact second to get between your posting and your hitting your refresh button?


brotherjw (36 minutes ago)

"Once again I challenge you to post the two questions..."

You gave me a list of 4 questions to which the answers are on the next page. They include a link to hundreds of verses that describe the relationship between the Son of God and His Father, discussion of the term "begotten", a whole forum section on the crucifixion (but then you can find that in the secular historical record as well), and a forum section on the divinity of Jesus Christ.

What you really mean is that you don't want answers in the first place because they expose the child like mind of your illiterate prophet and his STAND-ALONE, and EXACT OPPOSITE, religion as being exactly that.


brotherjw (29 minutes ago)

""Care to try again?" -> Care to read my posts once again?"

You gave a single stand alone false presumption, that has no support within that context, nor anywhere else in the Gospel. What you mean, is that you won't hesitate to blaspheme against the Gospel even though you've never read it.

"Besides, the false religion that Paul preached can NEVER be equated with Islam completely...."

Is that a joke? Islam is the EXACT OPPOSITE of the Gospel, just as the reprobate Mohammed was the EXACT OPPOSITE of Jesus Christ in Word and deed. You are required TO REJECT ALL of the Gospel prophets and witnesses. REJECT THE GOSPEL ITSELF, to follow Mohammed. A single verse from the Quran confirms this BEYOND QUESTION. (Surah 4-157)


brotherjw (9 minutes ago)

I just went to your channel and find that my brotherjw ID cannot acquire a space in which to post a channel comment. So I sent you a PM that said "test" and for some reason it doesn't appear in my "sent" box.
These are indications that you have blocked me - that is censored me - from your channel. Could this be the case?


brotherjw (7 minutes ago)

"Besides, now here's another reason for me to NOT join that forum...."

What you mean is that now you have created a transparently fictitious reason in an effort to hide your cowardice. Same kind of move that Mohammed would have pulled.
Go ahead and post your comment again, and then immediately hit your refresh button, and watch it be gone in the next second. How could it be me doing that?

[Peter]

elazeez PMd me the following on Jan 18 when he falsely believed I was censoring his comments. Rather than checking the posts and splitting them to make them smaller he apparently kept trying to post them as is. He is too much of a coward to join the forum, yet expected me to carry his water, by posting his blasphemy against God myself. The reason those like him prefer YouTube is because they aren't looking for answers, but rather are merely on a mission to blaspheme God, and promote Satan as he revealed himself through the false prophet Mohammed. Sadly, the deception is so complete, they aren't even cognizant of the mission they are on.

2Cr 11:14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.

I have been patiently waiting for elazeez to figure out how to post them, and even explaining to him how to post them, through his blizzard of false accusation. I revisited his PM just now and discovered that he has already posted one of the two that he sent me. He would only have to cut the other in 2 if it still isn't posting. Yet he continued to make false accusations against me. I am looking forward to his finally figuring out how to post the first one of the two, though it's already been answered for the most part in this post.
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=905.msg3639#msg3639

His PM read....

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 Here.                             Jan 18, 2010

YOu're losing it my friend... I don't think Jesus (pbuh) would ever want you to resort to deception and lying if you were to lose an argument. Anyways, what else could one expect from a Christian missionary. No wonder they say your religion spread by the sword of deception and lies. Sorry if I offended you, but that is the plain truth. In case you're really being veracious in telling me that you never deleted any of my posts (although I don't believe you) then do make sure you post the two paragraphs below with your own hands onto your channel.


Given below are the two posts that somehow are thorns in your sides and you keep deleting them over and over again:

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Now my counter question to you, show me just one verse from the Qur'an akin to the plethora of graphic pornography in the Bible (want quotes?). Show me one Qur'anic verse that's similar to biblical prophets ripping open pregnant women (Hosea 13:16), dashing children against rocks (137:8-9), pedophilia (Numbers 31:17-18, 31:35-40) etc. The question is NOT I believe in the OT or not, the question is do YOU? Barbaric killings of women & children, pedophilia, pornography (incestous and otherwise), prisoners of war et.al... Do you believe? If you do, then it is YOU who is applying REVERSE interpretation, since it is the BIBLE (OT + NT) that came before the Qur'an; so going by your logic the bible preachers have been trying to look for specifics from the Qur'an to help them justify the monstrous content in their own book of books!

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"So far you've listed your false presumption, of a single verse, in a failed attempt to draw a new covenant equivalent, to Mohammed's imperialistic murder, prisoner rape, and thievery. Care to try again?" -> Care to read my posts once again? You've evaded answering most of them by misquoting/quoting out of context in your missionary zeal to stay upright despite being shown the truth, and now you ask me to give you further proof from your own Bible? C'mon, go back and read my posts once again, and give me your answers. Besides, the false religion that Paul preached can NEVER be equated with Islam completely so there is NO question of me quoting something just to please you..

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But as we can see, the second of the posts he PMd me was successfully posted today, yet he continued with the false accusations of censorship. Compare the immediately above post, with the one I copied and pasted from my channel comments today at the link below.
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=905.msg3714#msg3714

[Peter]

 brotherjw  (1 second ago)

http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=905.30