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I think we can't continue on this as you disrespect my most beloved Prophet, your immature ignorance is showing, anyway I'm leaving this place insulting my Prophet is greater then insulting my own father and mother.

Just to point out your ignorance, Jews in Madina worked in business and loans, not farming.

The religions were established gradually through the dictates God gave. Like to the Jews to build the tabernacle
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solomon%27s_Temple
 as per God's instructions,
http://www.blueletterbible.org/search/translationResults.cfm?Criteria=tabernacle&t=KJV&sf=5
whose alter was for the sacrifice of animals to atone for sin through their shed blood.
http://www.blueletterbible.org/search/translationResults.cfm?Criteria=atonement&t=KJV&sf=5
 Their religion continued to develop through God's continuing direct instruction.

Anyway Judaism is not the first religion.

So then you must believe, as I, that your prophet was a liar. He recited the following sura in the 7TH CENTURY after the Tanach and the Gospel had been copied tens of thousands of times in every popular language known to man.

Sura 80.13 (It is) in Books held (greatly) in honour, 14 Exalted (in dignity), KEPT PURE AND HOLY,15 (Written) by the hands of scribes- 16 Honourable and Pious and Just.

This verse doesn't talk about Gospel or Torah it talks about Qur'an. The story that was mentioned in start of the surah is only mentioned in the Qur'an. But, even tho the Gospel and Torah was corrupt by people the original ones are still saved in the heavens.

Further, you are apparently completely ignorant to Hebrew scribal methodology.
"First of all, biblical scrolls were written on the inside only to prevent any smudging or smearing that might lead to a misreading of the text. When being copied -- besides many parallel readings -- the copy was compared with the original in every way humanly possible.
The words in each column were counted and then the letters. The first, last, and middle letter and word in each column had to be identical to the original. If the number of words or the number of letters of the copy differed from the original, the copy was destroyed. Then they counted the words and letters in the whole document. They divided the document into quarters and into eighths. The first, last and middle letter in each section had to be the same. The number of words and the number of letters in each section had to be the same.  The middle word and the middle letter in each section had to be the same, and they had to be the same for the whole document. If not, the copy was destroyed. Not corrected, but destroyed!"

Yeah right, that's why we have hundreds of kinds of Bibles, the Jews killed many of their own Prophets they followed false ones and they rejected one of their most important ones Jesus, why should I follow their corrupt vision of Torah, even today many Jews also share this belief(Torah being corrupt)

Compare that to the Quran that had random differing copies all over the place so that it had to be collected up and burned on two separate occasions. Once after Uthman's editing as well as under Bakr. Shiites still believe that 25% of the Quran was lost and it wouldn't surprise me if they are right. Consider the example of the stoning verses that Aisha said the goats ate.
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=96.0
Do you really believe that is how God would preserve His Word?

Quran is memorized by millions of people it has only 1 copy, about Shia they have different beliefs some of them believe that Ali is God came to save humans(like Christians with Jesus) Shia create this myth that 75% of Quran is lost because Qur'an never mentioned how Ali is important anyway, today Shia claim they never said that Qur'an is not complete.

Jesus and God are coexistent. Jesus is the way God chose to reveal Himself to us, to help us understand God through our limited human capacity to understand. Jesus was revealed to us as a man in the flesh to provide a perfect and sinless example for us. Christians worship in Jesus name because He is God. Here is what He said after He was crucified and resurrected from the dead

Mat 28:18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.

Jesus never said that, I'll show you how flawed is the Gospel. if you notice  "all power is given into me" if he is God then why power is given to him? doesn't he own all power already?

you see how human made Gospel is flawed.

I proved Mohammed was a thief in the very first post in which I mentioned it.
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=873.msg3507#msg3507

"8 - AL-ANFAL (SPOILS OF WAR, BOOTY)
That even details Mohammed's 1/5 share - just like a Mafia Don - of the property stolen from others through imperialistic conquest.
http://www.usc.edu/schools/college/crcc/engagement/resources/texts/muslim/quran/008.qmt.html "

Mohammed was far worse than a thief. I stopped at the lightest charge of thief so you could answer to it before we explore his character further.
How was Mohammed not a thief when a whole chapter in the Quran discusses he and his boys theft of the property of others, and even details Mohammed's 1/5 cut of all the loot, including women and girls to sexually enslave and/or sell?
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=456.0

That's a false accusation, in battle when Muslims win and the enemy leave their stuff and escape 80% of the booty goes to the Muslim fighters and 20% goes to Allah, his Prophet, the poor, relatives, wayfarer and the orphan.

And know that out of all the booty that ye may acquire (in war), a fifth share is assigned to Allah,- and to the Messenger, and to near relatives, orphans, the needy, and the wayfarer,- if ye do believe in Allah and in the revelation We sent down to Our servant on the Day of Testing,- the Day of the meeting of the two forces. For Allah hath power over all things.

Before we jump to other points lets finish our first points, so you agree that Noah had a religion, which means Judaism is not the first religion on earth.

and you also agree that Jesus fully submitted to God.

Noah like Adam, Abraham, Moses and Jeses. was a submitter to God aka a Muslim, that was his religion.

Quote from: formy on December 31, 2009, 12:16:07 PM

Quote from: Peter on December 31, 2009, 12:15:04 PM

Quote from: formy on December 31, 2009, 12:10:47 PM

Hello and thank you, first let me ask you, what's the first religion ever existed on Earth?

If you mean that followed God, it is Judaism.

And when did Judaism start?

As indicated in the OP around 3500 years ago.

When did Mohammed's religion start?

What's Noah's religion?

Islam is not Mohammed's religion, it's God's religion.

Hello and thank you, first let me ask you, what's the first religion ever existed on Earth?