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General Discussion / Re: THE QURAN ON SCRIPTURE
« on: August 08, 2010, 07:56:11 AM »
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Just like Yahweh's innocent people are being slaughtered by Muslims in much of Africa - by the million - and throughout the rest of the world today. That's pretty ugly isn't it? That Muslims would slaughter, rape and subjugate innocent people to slavery. Yet they are only doing what Mohammed did.

My dear brother Peter, Speaking of violence. Islam or Quran is teaching a good one. That people you are saying is not a Muslim, I think you know what is Muslim. Once a person is against or violate the law of Allah they were not Muslim. You are accusing Mohammed of this kind of violence,otherwise you are saying Mohammed is not a Muslim.
You are generalizing who is bad and good. I'll help you to generalize people. First find out what mostly the religion of ALL inmates in the whole world. I'll tell you in my country mostly,almost all of the violence is done by your co-Christians

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General Discussion / Re: THE QURAN ON SCRIPTURE
« on: August 08, 2010, 03:30:51 AM »
Who is Yahshua and Jesus? Are they the same?
When the name "Yahshua" translated in other languange become "Jesus".
So when your name Peter translated in other language what would be your name?

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General Discussion / Re: THE QURAN ON SCRIPTURE
« on: August 08, 2010, 03:30:01 AM »
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The new covenant through the crucifixion, death, and resurrection of Yahsuha, and salvation through faith in His shed blood,

I understand that Jesus is your God who crucified, died, punish in order to save you. Lets make it clear
"God crucified" "God died" "God punish by his own slaves"
Is it ugly to hear?right? can you accept it that your God suffered like that?How powerless is He if that
the only way he can save us. We Muslims believe that the man who crucified and died is not Jesus.

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You were taught to DISbelieve the Gospel by Satan through his false prophet Mohammed


Chapter 16 verse 12-14
12 I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now. 13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, [that] shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come. 14  He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall shew [it] unto you.

Who He is referring? He is referring to Satan? thats what you are saying.

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Mohammed's followers are "....  full of doubts, with no (certain) knowledge, but only conjecture to follow ..."

I dont think so that verse is referring to Mohammed's follower. I think it refers to you Pete.

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You are being carried to your destruction, my young friend. Forever is a very long time.

Let's see brother Pete.

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You have still not answered to the subject of this thread. The Gospel is the same today as it was in the 7th century. How do you explain the verses in the original post?

Gospel is not the same today as it was in the 7th century. The verses in the original post like what i said it refers to the scripture that exist during the 7th century not today.

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Where in the Quran does Mohammed say the Gospel is corrupted?


"Jesus, I will take you back and raise you up to Me and purify you of those who are unbelievers. And I will place the people who follow you above those who are unbelievers until the Day of Resurrection..." (Qur'an, 3:55)

This verse says that Jesus is not dead nor died in the cross. The Gospel say Jesus died and crucified. So the Gospel is opposite of this. So the Gospel is not the same today as it was written at the very first time. So Gospel is now corrupted.

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Right. "The original one".
So where is this "original one"? Please show us.

Im afraid i can't. Its lost
You can you show me the very source of it?what its look like before?
WHEN THE FIRST SCRIBES WROTE IT,WAS IT CALLED "KING JAMES VERSION"?

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General Discussion / Re: THE QURAN ON SCRIPTURE
« on: August 07, 2010, 02:34:10 AM »
Now,Brother Pete, do you believe that the Bible that is existing now have errors?
or modified? I think you don't even many Christians does.

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General Discussion / Re: THE QURAN ON SCRIPTURE
« on: August 07, 2010, 02:31:32 AM »
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If you had continued to read the Gospel you would have realized that your claim is false. Islam is indeed the opposite of the Gospel.

Not agreee, not ALL verse in Gospel is opposite of the Islam, there are verses which refers to Mohammed, but this is not what we are talking about. We are talking about a scripture before Mohammed, were somehow changed after 7th century.  

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How many religions do you suppose there are, whose very basis - that at their very core - instruct their adherents as to what to disbelieve?

This is not part of our discussion. <<--- I learned it from you..

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After you have answered that question perhaps you can try this one.
Where did Mohammed ever claim the Gospel was corrupted?

Mohammed didn't. Who claim it? Christian Scholars.


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General Discussion / Re: THE QURAN ON SCRIPTURE
« on: August 06, 2010, 09:09:05 AM »
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You again comfort yourself with the words and opinions of men.

I comfort with a words and opinions from you too.

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Or are you suggesting that somehow, all those scriptures, translated into all those languages over centuries before Mohammed, were somehow changed after the 7th century to become the exact opposite of what it had been?

Changed but not become the exact opposite of it.

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But you also quoted an Episcopalian and those guys even ordain homosexuals.

Is this a reason to not believe them?

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General Discussion / Re: THE QURAN ON SCRIPTURE
« on: August 06, 2010, 08:39:33 AM »
Brother Pete, you believe that the Bible that is existing now is no errors?
or modified?

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General Discussion / Re: THE QURAN ON SCRIPTURE
« on: August 06, 2010, 08:35:55 AM »
yeah it is the same book that people are following now but the content of that book is not already
100% the same..it is edited..

Dr. Lobegott Friedrich Konstantin Von Tischendorf, one of the most adamant conservative Christian defenders of the Trinity was himself driven to admit that:

"the New Testament had in many passages undergone such serious modification of meaning as to leave us in painful uncertainty as to what the Apostles had actually written"

Pete, Muhammed is not lying in the original post, in the original post Muhammed is pointing out a scripture who is written by scribes after Allah taken the soul of Jesus.The original one.
Pete you pointed out a scripture that are existing now which is copied and EDITED.

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General Discussion / Re: THE QURAN ON SCRIPTURE
« on: August 06, 2010, 08:28:48 AM »
why my post is cannot posted fully?

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General Discussion / Re: THE QURAN ON SCRIPTURE
« on: August 06, 2010, 08:24:04 AM »
So are you suggesting that Mohammed lied in the verses in the original post?
Or that he didn't know the Scriptures had been corrupted?
Or that he lied when he said they had been "kept pure and holy";  )

Christian scholar, Kenneth Cragg, the Anglican Bishop of Jerusalem, says:

“...Not so the New Testament...There is condensation and editing; there is choice reproduction and witness. The Gospels have come through the mind of the church behind the authors. They represent experience and history...”

Dr. Lobegott Friedrich Konstantin Von Tischendorf, one of the most adamant conservative Christian defenders of the Trinity was himself driven to admit that:

“[the New Testament had] in many passages undergone such serious modification of meaning as to leave us in painful uncertainty as to what the Apostles had actually written”

 Dr. W Graham Scroggie of the Moody Bible Institute, Chicago, a prestigious Christian evangelical mission, says:

“..Yes, the Bible is human, although some out of zeal which is not according to knowledge, have denied this. Those books have passed through the minds of men, are written in the language of men, were penned by the hands of men and bear in their style the characteristics of men….It is Human, Yet Divine,”

Pete, Muhammed is not lying in the original post, in the original post Muhammed is pointing out a scripture who is written by scribes after Allah taken the soul of Jesus.The original one.
Pete you pointed out a scripture that are existing now which is copied and EDITED...'
   

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General Discussion / Re: THE QURAN ON SCRIPTURE
« on: August 06, 2010, 07:14:50 AM »
(  http://www.islamandthetruth.com/gospel_of_john.htm  )

about to begin reading this brother pete..

Have you heard about the Awake Magazine dated Sept. 8, 1957??
is it true?

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General Discussion / Re: THE QURAN ON SCRIPTURE
« on: August 04, 2010, 07:53:53 AM »
(Have you gone "far, far, astray"? Have you ever even read the scriptures that came before Mohammed?)

i think this is the center of this thread..You know at my age of 18 i started wondering and having interest about Bible and Christianity. So i decided to read atleast few verses of Bilble but when i opened the Bible at the first page of it, i read it and it was like a warning to the readers that it sounds like that the Bible is has serious errors or mistakes..Then why should i read it if even the Bible itself is committing a mistake in the content of bible...
Anyway i can print the part of the Bible i was saying and post it here if you want.

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