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Re: PM chat with Huss
« Reply #25 on: May 29, 2011, 07:41:26 AM »
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{{{{{[[[[[What would happen if you proclaimed that to your father and family?]]]]]

They will be choked
they will take me to someone who understand Islam an Christianity to let me know why your book is corrupt or just showing me the video above.

[[[[[What would happen if you preached it to your friends and neighbors?]]]]

same thing

[[[[What would the public officials do if you stood on a corner and passed out tracts like at this link, of the Gospel of Jesus Christ while proclaiming that Good News?]]]]]]

before they decide to kill me they will give me a chance to read and investigate about the truth.}}}}}}}

What kind of a spirit do you suppose works in men's hearts and minds, to inspire them to murder even their own son, for finding salvation in the love of the one true God, through the Holy Spirit of the Messiah, Jesus Christ?

It's the same spirit that gets men to believe the EXACT OPPOSITE of the WHOLE SUBJECT of the Gospel of Jesus Christ. The spirit that turns men away from salvation and causes them to want to die in their sins.

1 John 2:18 Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.
1 John 2:22 ... He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son. 23 Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father....

So who do you suppose is in charge of the spirit of antichrist? In charge of the EXACT OPPOSITE of the gospel of Jesus Christ?

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Re: PM chat with Huss
« Reply #26 on: May 29, 2011, 07:42:24 AM »
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{{{{{{{[[[[[But Islam does that all by itself without any help from me. Beginning with Muhammad's own behavior.]]]]]

I know wht u talkin about and I had a lot of talk with many christians about Muhammad's own behavior. and there is ALWAYS response to every single issue. but u guys dont care about it coz it is against your opinion.}}}}}}

Well then before we begin with the record let's start with a little opinion.
How about your opinion?
Let's say you were a happily married wife of a farmer living in a nice quiet peaceful village. One day a guy came along and had your husband and father brought before him and beheaded. He also had all of the boys who had just reached puberty, and their dads, and their grandpas, in your whole village, brought before him and beheaded.
As that young farm wife, do you think that you would then DESIRE to have sex, with the very same man responsible for the beheading of your husband and father?

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Re: PM chat with Huss
« Reply #27 on: May 29, 2011, 08:23:41 AM »
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{{{{{{{{{{{[[[[[Folks follow the Dali Lama too. Does that make him the right path to the one true God Yahweh?}}}}}

Dalai lama is a Buddhist.

{{{{{{Folks followed Jim Jones right up until they all drank the poison kool-aide and died. Did their following him mean he was of God?}}}}}}

Suicide cult. Over 900 dead to cyanide.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jonestown

((((((((Squeaky From followed Charles Manson. Did that make him of God?]]]] }}}}}}

Squeaky Fromme was one of the teenage girls in the "Manson Family". A commune that broke into an actresses home, stabbed her multiple times, and even cut her unborn baby out of her stomach.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Manson

My point is that just because someone is willing to follow and commit themselves to someone, does not mean that person is of God.
Just because someone is willing to "convert" to something has nothing to do with whether it is true or not.
Just as just simply because someone is willing to say something, does not mean that it will magically become true.
So let's set this kind of anecdotal irrelevance aside, and look at the evidence instead, to save some time.

{{{{{{{I don't know these guys first. second, Folks followed them it appeared to them that this is the truth. most of ppl especially in the west they converted to islam after EXPLORING other religions seeking 4 the truth.}}}}}}

Yet according to al-jazeera 3/4 of Islamic so-called converts in the west, leave Islam within the first 3 years, where folks have the FREEDOM to do so. Likely the other 1/4 is largely women that are stuck with kids by a Muslim husband.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=44dO9lWO830

{{{{{{usually Islam is the last thing they look for. looking for the truth require a person who have a 100% free mind and look for more than one religion.}}}}}}}}}}}}}

But you have already admitted that your mind is closed, and you aren't looking for the truth at all. You are only looking for that which supports what you already desire to believe. For example you said

{{{{{{{[[[[[[before they decide to kill me they will give me a chance to read and investigate about the truth. I will utube in this chance to find why Christianity is wrong and it's massive here.]]]]]]]}}}}}}}

You are admitting that you are only looking for what is WRONG. Why wouldn't you also try to find out why Christianity is RIGHT? Like from some of your former Islamic brethren who have held BOTH Islam and the Gospel as their belief, with their whole heart?
http://www.youtube.com/user/Muslims4Jesus

I believe deep-down you already know, don't seek out the truth, is that you know that the truth of the Gospel of Jesus Christ will destroy your faith in Muhammad. But my friend, our life on this earth is as a tiny zephyr in a global windstorm. Forever is a very long time. You could die today. My niece suddenly dropped dead at the age of 22 from a heart defect. Are you ready to stand before the very judge you deny?

Jhn 5:22 For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son:

Do you fear your father more than OUR Father?
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=2539.0

I watched the videos by Ehrman. Do you understand why you seek shelter and comfort in the arms of a Godless agnostic? In the arms of someone that blasphemes the very book that Islam pretends to be related to?
What do you think the other guys on the stage were there for? Decoration? Do you understand why the YouTuber only included Ehrman's testimony, and left out the testimony of the opposing point of view of the Christians?
Do you see that even as you rail against brainwashing, you are brainwashing yourself?
Why not listen to a Christian on the same subject? Here's one by a former atheist, that was bugged by his wife's Christianity, so he set out to prove that the Bible was a lie.

Dating the Gospels
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NxiddSTtKpA
Earliest Accounts Of Christ's Resurrection - Lee Strobel
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n2oHPSstgRQ
Much more
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=2572.0

Here's more testimony by atheists that set out to do the same.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rESOsk6j3Fc

Ehrman lists a bunch of university academics, that are all trying desperately to make the case that the Gospel is untrue. However those seeking to turn the truth into a lie don't even understand their limitations.

1Cr 2:14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know [them], because they are spiritually discerned.

By the way. Even this agnostic Ehrman readily admits that the overwhelming historical evidence confirms that Jesus Christ was crucified. Do you believe Ehrman when he admits to this?
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=2558.0

Why don't you try reading the Gospel in Arabic, or even downloading an audio copy to your MP3 player, or if you don't have one, listen to it online?
Why not begin by reading the book that is being discussed, before you get into the book reports of folks you don't even know, whose effort is to make it a lie?

By the time Muhammad said the following in the 7th century, the bible had been translated into perhaps a hundred languages, had been copied perhaps a hundred thousand times, and had been read all over the known world for centuries.

Sura 5:47 Let the people of the Gospel judge by what Allah hath revealed therein. If any do fail to judge by (the light of) what Allah hath revealed, they are (no better than) those who rebel.

So was Muhammad just more ignorant that you when he instructed Christians to judge by what is revealed in the Gospel?
http://www.islamandthetruth.com/

Here is a text version of the Gospel. I recommend starting with the Gospel of John
http://www.arabicbible.com/bible/nt.htm
Here is the audio version
http://www.arabicbible.com/bible/nt_audio.htm

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MGCvDjR3S10

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Re: PM chat with Huss
« Reply #28 on: May 29, 2011, 09:21:07 AM »
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As a Muslim you know that you can find no shortage of folks on YouTube, that argue for Islam, and that argue against Islam.
You would likely also agree that simply because we wish to believe something will never make it magically come true. Otherwise the tooth-fairy would be true.

You might perhaps agree that the only way to get down to the truth of something controversial, is to investigate both sides. Perhaps even the radical bias from BOTH sides.

As a Christian I know that I will be judged according to every word in my videos and websites, and that as a sort of a teacher, I will even be judged by a higher standard than other Christians, there shouldn't be any doubt in your mind that I do everything in my power to seek out the truth. That's why I have always invited folks to correct me where they find I am in error.

For well over a year now, I have been begging Muslims to present some evidence to me that suggests that Mecca existed before the 4th century AD, yet so far none has been presented. Indeed all the available evidence from both within the Islamic historical record, and outside of the Islamic historical record, confirm that Mecca did not exist before the 4th century AD.

Compare this with Jerusalem, for example, where there are even a million artifacts - just on display! Where there is a rich archaeological record, supported by the physical geography, that evermore indicates that the Old Testament is a reliable source of ancient historical record.

Now in order to follow Muhammad, you have to first believe that Mecca existed before the 4th century AD.
Can you tell me on what basis you hold this belief?
What evidence supports this your belief?
Could you please point out any errors you find in the attached video?
Could you please point out any errors you find in this website?
http://www.historyofmecca.com/

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Re: PM chat with Huss
« Reply #29 on: May 29, 2011, 02:06:51 PM »
5-29 Huss

wow thats too mush I mean 4 messages?

briefly.. I opened my mind for Christianity. and this is wht I got

you worship God (the son and the father at the same time) but u prefer the Son. The holy spirit is joined. u should add Mary (who is the mother of the son of the the father who is God, and the Son is considered God) She is the mother of God who is the Son. and how about Adam. If God have son then it must be Adam. Thats the first thing I got when I opened my mind to the Christianity. IT DOES NOT MAKE ANY SINCE! in order to study anything in depth u MUST to be convinced about the basics. some one set this up

Who made this mess after Jesus? Why Jesus distinct himself from God in the bible?

dear Pete
understanding islam required from the explorer to start from A and end in ..... there is no end. most of issues Christians present about Islam are in the middle which make it difficult to explain them. If non-muslim tried Issues about women for example. It is difficult to explain or clarify why it this is not a problem for Muslim women coz Islam is actually a system start from the basics (Who is Allah Who is Mohammed, why there is a God and so on & on & on).
by the way the hadeeth is something need to be studied by itself as there are incorrect hadethes. For example Sheaa is not a right source coz they are misguided muslims. WHY? that should be explored.

the argument never end and I have no problem to discuss things but I realized here 2 facts, First the thing that take 5 minutes in Arabic to response take 20 mins in English FOR ME, the other fact that this never end.

please learn Arabic then we can talk and the time will be saved for both of us. not because it is my first language but because in Arabic it's much easier to look for sources and easier to distinguish what is right and wht is wrong

have a good day

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Re: PM chat with Huss
« Reply #30 on: May 29, 2011, 02:35:04 PM »
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I will try to make it simple.

What kind of a spirit would inspire a father to murder his own son, for finding the love of the one true God through Jesus Christ?

It's the same spirit that gets men to believe the EXACT OPPOSITE of the WHOLE SUBJECT of the Gospel of Jesus Christ. The spirit that turns men away from salvation and causes them to want to die in their sins.

1 John 2:18 Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.
1 John 2:22 ... He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son. 23 Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father....

So where is the spirit of antichrist from since it is the EXACT OPPOSITE of the Gospel of Jesus Christ?

sent with "antichrist"

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Re: PM chat with Huss
« Reply #31 on: May 30, 2011, 07:53:14 AM »
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[[[[[before they decide to kill me they will give me a chance to read and investigate about the truth. I will utube in this chance to find why Christianity is wrong and it's massive here.
I know it's sounds bad TO YOU to die if someone left Islam. u wont understand this unless u understand the whole thing about what is Islam is all about.]]]]]

But I understand it very well. The spirit behind the hatred of the Gospel of Jesus Christ that would cause a father to kill his own son, is the same spirit that causes the hatred of Jews in Muhammad's people, and is the same spirit that would cause a man to see his wife as nothing more than a baby-making machine and unpaid slave to do his cooking and cleaning. Because Muhammad's followers have no love of truth, they cannot know the love of God until they repent, and thus they are left without love.

This is that spirit of antichrist and it comes straight out of the pit of hell, and because Muslims have no love of truth, God sends strong delusion to them so that they believe a lie.

1 John 2:22 .... He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son. 23 Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father ....

sent with "strong delusion"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pCTfWrDwmqk

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Re: PM chat with Huss
« Reply #32 on: May 30, 2011, 07:54:07 AM »
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[[[[[briefly.. I opened my mind for Christianity. and this is wht I got]]]]]

You didn't open your mind to Christianity or you would have read the Gospel rather than getting your understanding from proven antichrist liars like Ahmed Deedat.
Here is the Gospel in Arabic
الانجيل
لمزيد من التعمق في دراسة الكتاب المقدس، الرجاء زيارة موقعنا الجديد انجيل دوت كوم الذي يحتوي على بحث متقدم للنص مع تشكيلات وأيضا على قاموس وتفسير آية آية ومختصرات ووعود الكتاب المقدس.
http://www.arabicbible.com/bible/nt.htm

إصدار الصوت
http://www.arabicbible.com/bible/nt_audio.htm

[[[[[[you worship God (the son and the father at the same time) but u prefer the Son. The holy spirit is joined.]]]]]

God manifest, or revealed Himself, in the flesh of Jesus Christ.
Jesus and God are one.
John 10:30 I and [my] Father are one.
Mat 28:18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.
Rev 1:7 Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they [also] which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen. 8 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.

In the flesh of Jesus Christ wasn't the first time God revealed Himself in the flesh of a man. He also manifest, or revealed Himself as a man, to Abraham, and He washed his feet, and ate and drank as we learn in Genesis 18.

sent with "God manifest as a man"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1cjXj6TMOAM

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Re: PM chat with Huss
« Reply #33 on: May 30, 2011, 07:55:06 AM »
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[[[[u should add Mary (who is the mother of the son of the the father who is God, and the Son is considered God) She is the mother of God who is the Son.]]]]]

All of the Mary worship is Roman Catholic Church false doctrine that was created from thin air, just like Islamic "tradition".
Indeed it was from Roman "church" false doctrine that Muhammad got his take-off on Mary veneration from people like Jabr, and his wife Khadijah's cousin the Ebionite occult priest Waraqa bin Naufal.

If you had read the Gospel you know that there is no basis for any of the Mary worship in the Roman Church or veneration of Mary in Islam. Why don't you read the Gospel now?

الانجيل
لمزيد من التعمق في دراسة الكتاب المقدس، الرجاء زيارة موقعنا الجديد انجيل دوت كوم الذي يحتوي على بحث متقدم للنص مع تشكيلات وأيضا على قاموس وتفسير آية آية ومختصرات ووعود الكتاب المقدس.
http://www.arabicbible.com/bible/nt.htm

إصدار الصوت
http://www.arabicbible.com/bible/nt_audio.htm

Sent with "Quran inspiration"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TEYbJxylA2s

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Re: PM chat with Huss
« Reply #34 on: May 30, 2011, 07:56:11 AM »
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[[[[and how about Adam. If God have son then it must be Adam. Thats the first thing I got when I opened my mind to the Christianity. IT DOES NOT MAKE ANY SINCE! in order to study anything in depth u MUST to be convinced about the basics. some one set this up]]]]]

Yet you tried to pretend that there is no difference, between Yahweh having created the first man from dust, and then thousands of years later causing a virgin to conceive the Messiah.
Talk about NOT making sense!

Yeshua's very name means "Yahweh saves" "delivers" or "rescues". This is because the Messiah was sent to save us from sin.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yeshua_%28name%29#Etymology

[[[[.....the argument never end.....]]]]]

I can end Muhammad's false religion for you through one simple concept.

MECCA NEVER EXISTED before the 4th century AD. That is a provable fact.

This also proves that ALL of Islamic so-called "tradition", that pretends to be thousands of years of pre-muhammad "history", is nothing more than 7th and 8th century CREATED FICTION.

If you do not believe this then PROVE IT TO ME with EVIDENCE.

PROVE it to YOURSELF.
FIND some scriptural, historical, archaeological or geographical EVIDENCE of a history of Mecca from before the 4th century AD.

http://www.historyofmecca.com/

Sent with "Quran and Abrogation"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TsPA_FZCjws

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Re: PM chat with Huss
« Reply #35 on: May 30, 2011, 08:07:53 AM »
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IN ARABIC

[[[[[briefly.. I opened my mind for Christianity. and this is wht I got]]]]]

You didn't open your mind to Christianity or you would have read the Gospel rather than getting your understanding from proven antichrist liars like Ahmed Deedat.
Here is the Gospel in Arabic
الانجيل
لمزيد من التعمق في دراسة الكتاب المقدس، الرجاء زيارة موقعنا الجديد انجيل دوت كوم الذي يحتوي على بحث متقدم للنص مع تشكيلات وأيضا على قاموس وتفسير آية آية ومختصرات ووعود الكتاب المقدس.
http://www.arabicbible.com/bible/nt.htm

إصدار الصوت
http://www.arabicbible.com/bible/nt_audio.htm

[[[[[[you worship God (the son and the father at the same time) but u prefer the Son. The holy spirit is joined.]]]]]

God manifest, or revealed Himself, in the flesh of Jesus Christ.
Jesus and God are one.

John 10:30 I and [my] Father are one.
30 انا والآب واحد
http://www.arabicbible.com/bible/nt/joh/10.htm

Mat 28:18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.
18 فتقدم يسوع وكلمهم قائلا .دفع اليّ كل سلطان في السماء وعلى الارض .
http://www.arabicbible.com/bible/nt/mat/28.htm

Rev 1:7 Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they [also] which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen. 8 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.
7 هوذا يأتي مع السحاب وستنظره كل عين والذين طعنوه وينوح عليه جميع قبائل الارض.نعم آمين.
8 انا هو الالف والياء البداية والنهاية يقول الرب الكائن والذي كان والذي يأتي القادر على كل شيء
http://www.arabicbible.com/bible/nt/rev/1.html

Through the flesh of Jesus Christ wasn't the first time God revealed Himself as a man.
He also manifest, or revealed Himself as a man, to Abraham, and He even washed his feet, and ate and drank as we learn in Genesis 18.

Here it is in Arabic
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=2533.0
http://www.arabicbible.com/bible/ot/gen/18.htm

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Re: PM chat with Huss
« Reply #36 on: May 30, 2011, 08:27:31 AM »
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[[[[[[ The holy spirit is joined.]]]]]

Are you denying that God has a Spirit?
      
Sura 15.29: "When I have fashioned him (in due proportion) and BREATHED INTO HIM SOMETHING OF HIS SPIRIT, fall ye down in obeisance unto him."

Sura 38:72 "When I have fashioned him (in due proportion) and BREATHED INTO HIM OF MY SPIRIT, fall ye down in obeisance unto him."

Sura 38:72 "When I have fashioned him (in due proportion) and breathed into him of MY SPIRIT, fall ye down in obeisance unto him."

Hussain, what you are really saying is that you want to pretend that it is confusing to you that the God of the Jews and Christians Yahweh has a Spirit.

Exd 31:3 And I have filled him with the spirit of God, in wisdom, and in understanding, and in knowledge, and in all manner of workmanship,

Yet at the same time it is not confusing to you to understand that Muhammad's "Allah" has a spirit.

Do you see your hypocrisy?

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O31ud9yQjh4

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Re: PM chat with Huss
« Reply #37 on: May 31, 2011, 07:18:02 AM »
5-30 Huss

before the conclusion thank you 4 all your messages. I haven't read the last 8 messages ca I am too busy these days having final exams. but I will read them later I promise and I will get back to you if it's necessary.

My conclusion to your Christianity.... a bit long sorry 4 that

The bible is Corrupt and here is why? in personal view if there is any human involved in editing A SINGLE word in a book which suppose to be a word of God, we (Muslims) call this corruption even it is one word. So all what I need to look for in your bible is something edited by some one NOT Jesus and here is the example
(Matthew 24:36) "No one knows about that day or hour, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Fathe"
3 things here I have to mention:

Firstly: There is a clear distinction between God and Jesus

Secondly: Other bible the (AUTHOR/S) of the book decide to remove (nor the Son) because of this distinction. WHO GAVE HIM/HER THE RIGHT TO DO THIS? JESUS???
thats make it clear that if this WRITER have the ability to make this little change, then he can make other changes in other verses CAN'T HE?!

Thirdly: There is a strange thing . I think it suppose to be written like this if this is the word of Jesus.
(Matthew 24:36) "No one knows about that day or hour, not even the angels in heaven, NOR ME, but only the Fathe"
WHO WAS WRITING ABOUT JESUS? WAS HE JESUS?

don't tell me look at king James copy coz it's the same thing. What make it the correct copy? and would all Christians follow the king James? Personally if I would read the bible for any reason I prefer the Arabic bible as it has the REAL name of Yashoa. BUT STILL HAVE THE SAME ISSUE AS ABOVE!!

It is clear in this verse that this is a word of someone writing about Jesus and God from his own prospective. and someone els or maybe the same person came and edit it to make it sounds better to him. how come Jesus don't know what the father know? "he said"

In the Quran if a single word changed, that make a whole book corrupt AND EASY TO DETECT!!! in Arabic of course. apparently some ONE is trying to play a game with Muslims by creating a Quran called (true furqan) and sell it in Amazon.com. thats pathetic.

last thing copy these two words to google translate from Greek to English
Ιησούς .... Ιησο
and listen how the second one particularly pronounced. is it sounds like the English word or the Arabic word in the Quran?

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Re: PM chat with Huss
« Reply #38 on: May 31, 2011, 08:10:07 AM »
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[[[[[[before the conclusion thank you 4 all your messages. I haven't read the last 8 messages ca I am too busy these days having final exams. but I will read them later I promise and I will get back to you if it's necessary.]]]]]]

I'll protect your YouTube identity and move our chat into the forum. That way all the links that we put in our PMs will work. Also it is a much better place to conduct a chat as we can quote each other and use the search function and more.
It will be easy to review our chat at a glance, and we can begin by reviewing all the points we missed so far. I will add more replies after I post it.
Maybe the effort will even help your English language along!
Our conversation is at this link
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=2563.0

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Re: PM chat with Huss
« Reply #39 on: May 31, 2011, 08:11:07 AM »
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[[[[[My conclusion to your Christianity.... a bit long sorry 4 that

The bible is Corrupt and here is why? in personal view if there is any human involved in editing A SINGLE word ........]]]]]

I see. So then Muhammad was God.
Come on my friend, even Muhammad knew what a mess he made of his "revelations", as he had to institute a doctrine of abrogation later on, to explain how his earlier suras are thrown out when later suras were the opposite and direct contradictions.

2:106 (Asad) Any message which, We annul or consign to oblivion We replace with a better or a similar one. Dost thou not know that God has the power to will anything?
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=116.0

Sadly, the ONLY reason you believe that Muhammad spoke for the Quraish pagan's "Allah", is because Muhammad SAID he did. Not a single WITNESS ever heard Allah or Gabriel's voice. Even Muhammad thought it was a demon that met him in that cave.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mpsWnbApBNw

In fact so often did Muhammad get a "revelation" right after speaking with his good friend and X-Christian Jabr, that the locals started calling Jabr the "Holy Spirit".
Indeed Jabr was so widely recognized as a source of Muhammad's "revelations" that Muhammad even made a transparent, feeble and failed attempt at damage control, with yet another "revelation".

Sura 16.103 We know indeed that they say, "It is a man that teaches him." The tongue of him they wickedly point to is notably foreign, while this is Arabic, pure and clear.
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=452.0

Muhammad wrote that sura about Jabr, but there were many sources of his "inspiration" along with Jabr, Tubba and Waraqa.
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=2475.0

The simple fact is, that the reason you reject ALL of the prophets and witnesses as revealed in the 1600 year record of Yahweh to mankind, is because A SINGLE 7TH CENTURY SW Arabian desert dwelling false prophet, proclaimed the EXACT OPPOSITE of the WHOLE SUBJECT of the Gospel.
No surprise then that his behavior WAS the EXACT OPPOSITE of the sinless Messiah, Jesus Christ.

[[[[[....... in a book which suppose to be a word of God, we (Muslims) call this corruption ......]]]]]]

But what it in fact are WITNESSES.
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=2572.0

[[[[[....... even it is one word.]]]]]]

If the Gospel is corrupt then why did Muhammad recommend that I judge by it?

Sura 5:47 Let the people of the Gospel judge by what Allah hath revealed therein. If any do fail to judge by (the light of) what Allah hath revealed, they are (no better than) those who rebel.
http://www.islamandthetruth.com/

[[[[[ So all what I need to look for in your bible is something edited by some one NOT Jesus and here is the example
(Matthew 24:36) "No one knows about that day or hour, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Fathe"
3 things here I have to mention:

Firstly: There is a clear distinction between God and Jesus

Secondly: Other bible the (AUTHOR/S) of the book decide to remove (nor the Son) because of this distinction. WHO GAVE HIM/HER THE RIGHT TO DO THIS? JESUS???
thats make it clear that if this WRITER have the ability to make this little change, then he can make other changes in other verses CAN'T HE?!]]]]]

I believe that some modern English versions are somewhat compromised as well. But why would you hold the actions of modern men and their translating into English, against Yahweh?
The scriptures were written in Hebrew and Koine Greek, so your problem is with TRANSLATIONS.

But there is no point in being distracted about a detail in a single text, while to follow Muhammad you must believe the EXACT OPPOSITE of the WHOLE SUBJECT of the Gospel, because an illiterate 7th century false prophet, who himself believed he met a demon in a cave, proclaimed the EXACT OPPOSITE.

If you have a question about a verse in an ENGLISH TRANSLATION of scripture you can investigate with Hebrew and Koine Greek interlinears.
This is the same issue that you raise about me needing to learn Arabic - one of the youngest languages on the planet - in order to understand the Quran.
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=2561.0

But the truth is, that learning Arabic is irrelevant, because the Quran is in such a mess that much of it defies translation because it can't even be understood in Arabic. The version you have in your hands WAS EDITED.
Here is what the guy that the YEMENI GOVERNMENT hired to study the oldest Quran manuscript had to say about it.

Gerd Puin, one of the world's leading specialists in Arabic calligraphy and Qur'anic paleography, studying the oldest manuscripts, speaks with disdain about the willingness of Muslims and non-Muslims alike, to accept Islamic dogma. He says: "The Qur'an claims for itself that it is "mubeen," or clear, but if you just look at it, you will see that every fifth sentence or so simply doesn't make sense. Many Muslims will tell you otherwise, but the fact is that a fifth of the Qur'an is just incomprehensible. This is what has caused the traditional anxiety regarding translation. If the Qur'an is not comprehensible, if it can't even be understood in Arabic, then it's not translatable into any language. That is why Muslims are afraid."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gerd_R._Puin

See what a mess the Quran is in? Just because the people that have indoctrinated you are willing to say something, doesn't mean it will magically come true, AGAINST THE FACTS.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TEYbJxylA2s

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Re: PM chat with Huss
« Reply #40 on: May 31, 2011, 08:11:49 AM »
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[[[[[Thirdly: There is a strange thing . I think it suppose to be written like this if this is the word of Jesus.
(Matthew 24:36) "No one knows about that day or hour, not even the angels in heaven, NOR ME, but only the Fathe"
WHO WAS WRITING ABOUT JESUS? WAS HE JESUS?

don't tell me look at king James copy coz it's the same thing. What make it the correct copy? and would all Christians follow the king James?]]]]]

It's the best ENGLISH TRANSLATION we have. If you have a question about a verse, verify it with Hebrew and Koine Greek interlinears.
http://www.olivetree.com/cgi-bin/EnglishBible.htm

[[[[[ Personally if I would read the bible for any reason I prefer the Arabic bible as it has the REAL name of Yashoa.]]]]]]

I have been begging you to read the Gospel in Arabic.
http://www.arabicbible.com/bible/nt.htm

You don't even have to read it. You can LISTEN to it in Arabic.
http://www.arabicbible.com/bible/nt_audio.htm

But the Arabic versions I am familiar with substitute the name of the Quraish pagan's god "Allah" for the name of the one true God Yahweh, as it occurs nearly 7,000 times in scripture, and in paleo-Hebrew engravings that have been found that date to nearly 1,000 years BC.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tetragrammaton

[[[[[ BUT STILL HAVE THE SAME ISSUE AS ABOVE!!]]]]]]

In fact, your issue is that you must reject the WHOLE SUBJECT of the Gospel, to follow 7th century Muhammad, because he declared the EXACT OPPOSITE of the WHOLE SUBJECT of the Gospel of Yeshua. Either the 1600 year record of Yahweh through ALL of His prophets and witnesses is of Satan, or Muhammad's 23 year 7th century record must be, since they are OPPOSITES.
Satan inspired Muhammad, so that his poor followers would deny the very blood of the Lamb of God that would save them, and instead die in their sins so they could join Satan and his prophet Muhammad in perdition.
ONE MUST CHOOSE.
Yahweh as revealed through Yeshua and all of His prophets and witnesses in His 1600 year record, or the EXACT OPPOSITE in Muhammad and his STAND-ALONE 23 year 7th century record.

[[[[[It is clear in this verse that this is a word of someone writing about Jesus and God from his own prospective.]]]]]

That's what WITNESSES do. That's why it's interesting to get several different men's perspectives that confirm each other. That's also how we know it wasn't simply a bunch of guys comparing notes and copying each other. Yet THEY ALL TELL THE SAME STORY. The Lamb of God sacrificed Himself, to save all who have faith in His shed blood, from dying in our sins and joining Satan.

sent with "Jesus' Crucifixion in Prophecy"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MGCvDjR3S10

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Re: PM chat with Huss
« Reply #41 on: May 31, 2011, 08:13:10 AM »
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[[[[[ and someone els or maybe the same person came and edit it to make it sounds better to him. how come Jesus don't know what the father know? "he said"]]]]]

No matter how you slice it, THE WHOLE SUBJECT of the Gospel remains unchanged, no matter how hard you try to run and hide from it.
That's why Yahweh's people have followed Him through two covenants, for 3500 years, according to ALL of the prophets and witnesses of His 1600 year record.

1John 5:10 He that BELIEVETH ON THE SON OF GOD hath the witness in himself: HE THAT BELIEVETH NOT GOD HATH MADE HIM A LIAR; because HE BELIEVED NOT THE RECORD that God gave OF HIS SON.

[[[[[In the Quran if a single word changed, that make a whole book corrupt AND EASY TO DETECT!!!]]]]]

Then you condemned your own book because the FACT IS that the Quran you have in your hand HAS BEEN EDITED and WORDS HAVE BEEN CHANGED.
If it was a copy of the OLDEST MANUSCRIPT you wouldn't even be able to make sense out of at least 1/5 of it.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gerd_R._Puin

Let alone that Muhammad left the thing in such a mess that 71 out of only 114 Suras are subject to abrogation.
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=116.0

[[[[ in Arabic of course. apparently some ONE is trying to play a game with Muslims by creating a Quran called (true furqan) and sell it in Amazon.com. thats pathetic.]]]]]

They are probably trying to sell Muhammad as peaceful and honest, rather than a murdering, prisoner abusing, treaty breaking, thief, as the Quran that you hold in your hands indicates he is.

[[[[last thing copy these two words to google translate from Greek to English
Ιησούς .... Ιησο
and listen how the second one particularly pronounced. is it sounds like the English word or the Arabic word in the Quran?]]]]]

The FACT IS that Arabic is one of the youngest languages on the planet. Indeed there is virtually no historical record of the Arabic language, anywhere on earth, prior to about 300 AD.
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=2561.0

Why not invite some of your Australian Christian friends to the forum and let them help you with the English in our forum thread?
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=2563.0

[[[[[peace]]]]]

And peace be unto you my friend and may Jesus show you THE WAY.

Jhn 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I AM THE WAY, THE TRUTH, and the life: NO MAN cometh unto the Father, but by me.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xfWy5KaFvbU

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Re: PM chat with Huss
« Reply #42 on: May 31, 2011, 10:36:24 AM »

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Re: PM chat with Huss
« Reply #43 on: June 01, 2011, 09:11:14 AM »
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I found a great movie on the Gospel of John, that is spoken and subtitled in English, so it may help you with your written English.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m4T5uU9olko

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Re: PM chat with Huss
« Reply #44 on: June 03, 2011, 06:42:59 AM »
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[[[[The bible is Corrupt and here is why? in personal view if there is any human involved in editing A SINGLE word in a book which suppose to be a word of God, we (Muslims) call this corruption even it is one word.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NxiddSTtKpA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n2oHPSstgRQ

In the Quran if a single word changed, that make a whole book corrupt AND EASY TO DETECT!!! in Arabic of course.]]]]

I made and uploaded this video yesterday, with you in mind, my friend.

Sent with "bible corrupted" video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kEJ1hk4lH3U