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Re: Chat with the mufti np33123 beginning 9-27
« Reply #25 on: September 30, 2011, 06:17:45 AM »
9-30

[[[[Prove to me first that your Torah, Deuteronomy 34:7 is authored by Moses (pbuh) and that your 4 gospels, example Matthew 9:9, are written by their supposed to be authors. Once you proved this beyond any shadow of doubt, then I can proceed pointing to you, where even in your CORRUPTED and MUTILATED book you call the Bible is the Last Prophet of God (pbuh) is mentioned linguistically and conceptually!]]]]

I agree Muhammad (and his Islamic kingdom "beast") are indeed mentioned in the bible.

Rev 20:10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and THE FALSE PROPHET [are], and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

Forever is a very long time my friend.
Day and night, for ever and ever, without rest.

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Re: Chat with the mufti np33123 beginning 9-27
« Reply #26 on: September 30, 2011, 07:02:19 AM »
9-30

[[[[Whay Satan doesn't even try to TEMPT ALLAH?]]]]]

"Allah" was the name of an Arabian pagan deity that Satan used to "tempt" his messenger, and his messenger's followers, into prostrating themselves toward the Quraish pagan's black stone idol in Mecca 5 times a day. Even to go to Mecca and march around the pagan's kaaba 7 times just like the pagan Star Family worshipers did, and run back and forth between Safa and Marwah 7 times as the Arabian jinn devil worshipers did.
http://www.petewaldo.com/hajj_umrah.htm

[[[[[BUT HE SATAN TEMPTED JESUS CHRIST IS HE REALLY god ? NO ! HE CAN NOT BE !]]]]

Let's compare the "messengers" that we follow.

The passage you cite indicates that it was Satan's effort to tempt Jesus. NOWHERE does it indicate that Jesus was actually tempted.
http://www.blueletterbible.org/Bible.cfm?b=Luk&c=4&t=KJV#1

What was offered, and what was Jesus' reaction to being offered Satan's kingdoms of this world, one of temptation?

Luke 4:6 And the devil said unto him, All this power will I give thee, and the glory of them: for that is delivered unto me; and to whomsoever I will I give it. 7 If thou therefore wilt worship me, all shall be thine. 8 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Get thee behind me, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve.
Luke 4:12 And Jesus answering said unto him, It is said, Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God.

Not only was the sinless Messiah not tempted, but He declares His divinity at the same time. Read that last verse again. Jesus is God.

Now what did Muhammad wind up doing after Satan appeared to him as an angel of light in that cave?

2Cr 11:14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.

According to your own books and the history of Muhammadanism, he turned Muhammad into an imperialistic conquering, mass murdering, child doing, female prisoner abusing, thief, who didn't work for a living but instead lived off of the property he stole from others. You cannot reasonably deny that this is how Muhammad is revealed to you through your own books.

So which of our "messengers" was tempted by Satan, and which one took the bait, hook, line, and sinker?

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Re: Chat with the mufti np33123 beginning 9-27
« Reply #27 on: October 01, 2011, 04:09:00 PM »
9-30

Every one knows now and understands that Jesus Christ is not god nor can be and is not literally son of ALLAH! He is a PROPHET!
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Prophet Muhammed peace be upon him is the Last Prophet of God. His Message of worshiping ONE GOD has been the Basic Message of all prophets like Moses (pbuh) in Deut 6:4 and Jesus (pbuh) in Mark 12:29. Up to the present, his Message is the cause of churches emptying its pews to Masjeeds especially in America where 20,000 Americans are reverting to his Message every year. Even Christian priests and pastors are jumping overboard and reverting to Islam like Sheikh Yusuf Estes, formerly Pastor Skip Estes. Michael H. Hart chose him in his book "Top 100" as the #1 Most Influential Person in Human History.

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Re: Chat with the mufti np33123 beginning 9-27
« Reply #28 on: October 01, 2011, 04:14:15 PM »
10-1

[[[[Every one knows now and understands that Jesus Christ is not god ......]]]

You mean that's what Muhammadans and Jews deny.

[[[[...... nor can be and is not literally son of ALLAH!]]]]

HE IS THE literal Son of the Living God as revealed through the hundreds of verses in the Gospel that you have to reject, in order to keep prostratig yourself to the Quraish pagan's black stone idol in Mecca five times a day, and engage in Muhammad's thinly repackaged pagan Arabian moon, sun, star and jinn devil worship rituals.

[[[[He is a PROPHET !]]]}

That's right. Beyond being the sinless messiah, and the Son of God, as well as finally being revealed as God Himself, He was also a prophet.
Here is one of the things he prophesied.

Matthew 20:17 And Jesus going up to Jerusalem took the twelve disciples apart in the way, and said unto them, 18 Behold, we go up to Jerusalem; and the Son of man shall be betrayed unto the chief priests and unto the scribes, and they shall condemn him to death, 19 And shall deliver him to the Gentiles to mock, and to scourge, and to crucify [him]: and the third day he shall rise again.

But you have to reject the sinless Messiah, and believe Him and all of the prophets of scripture to be false prophets, to continue to follow your illiterate, mass murdering, female prisoner abusing, thief.

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Re: Chat with the mufti np33123 beginning 9-27
« Reply #29 on: October 01, 2011, 05:21:31 PM »
10-1

[[[[Prophet Muhammed peace be upon him is the Last Prophet of God.]]]]

Since he declared the EXACT OPPOSITE of the WHOLE SUBJECT of the Gospel, and Muhammad's reprobate nature, mass murder, female prisoner abuse and thievery, were the EXACT OPPOSITE of the example set by the sinless Messiah, this is how we can rest assured that Muhammad was a prophet of none other than Satan.

[[[[[His Message of worshiping ONE GOD ......]]]]

The Sabians were monotheistic one god worshipers too! Their moon god.
Sadly for 1.5 billion people, Muhammad's alter-ego "Allah" was the Quraish pagan's deity, also known as Satan. In all likelyhood also the Quraish pagan's moon god.

[[[[........ has been the Basic Message of all prophets like Moses (pbuh) in Deut 6:4 and Jesus (pbuh) in Mark 12:29. Up to the present, his Message is the cause of churches emptying its pews to Masjeeds especially in America where 20,000 Americans are reverting to his Message every year.]]]]

You can't be that stupid. Muhammadanism spread by the sword, and even today spreads through the threat of death for apostasy and fathers and mothers murdering their own children for comeing to Christ Jesus.

[[[[Even Christian priests and pastors are jumping overboard and reverting to Islam like Sheikh Yusuf Estes, ......]]]]

Estes own testimony reveals he was never a Christian, as he admitted that he and his father, put money before ministry. That's mammon before God. Indeed  Estes appears to be such a tub of lard under that white butcher's apron he wears, that Muhammadanism seems to be keeping him fat and sassy as well! How about you my friend?!

[[[[[..... formerly Pastor Skip Estes. Michael H. Hart ........]]]]

I'm glad i don't have to turn to the desperation of quoting a Jew that rejects the Messiah, in a vain effort to support my beliefs, like you Muhammadans do.

[[[[........ chose him in his book "Top 100" as the #1 Most Influential Person in Human History.]]]]]

Are you surprised that a Jew would put the sinless Messiah below the reprobate Muhammad, even though over 300 Christians, are martyred around the world every day, purely for preaching Christ crucified and refusing to deny Him?

Who could deny Muhammad was "influential" when his satanic heavily abrogated rantings compel 1.5 billion people deny the Gospel, and reject the blood that would save them because of their faith in Muhammad? This even while prostrating themselves to the Quraish pagan's black stone idol in Mecca five times a day!

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Re: Chat with the mufti np33123 beginning 9-27
« Reply #30 on: October 02, 2011, 05:13:42 AM »
10-1

Matthew 20:17 And Jesus going up to Jerusalem took the twelve disciples apart in the way, and said unto them, 18 Behold, we go up to Jerusalem; and the Son of man shall be betrayed unto the chief priests and unto the scribes, and they shall condemn him to death, 19 And shall deliver him to the Gentiles to mock, and to scourge, and to crucify [him]: and the third day he shall rise again. DID JESUS LEARN THAT FROM MITHRAS ? IT COULD BE !

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Re: Chat with the mufti np33123 beginning 9-27
« Reply #31 on: October 02, 2011, 05:14:47 AM »
10-1

[[[[Matthew 20:17 And Jesus going up to Jerusalem took the twelve disciples apart in the way, and said unto them, 18 Behold, we go up to Jerusalem; and the Son of man shall be betrayed unto the chief priests and unto the scribes, and they shall condemn him to death, 19 And shall deliver him to the Gentiles to mock, and to scourge, and to crucify [him]: and the third day he shall rise again. DID JESUS LEARN THAT FROM MITHRAS ? IT COULD BE!]]]]

See what happens when your whole life is built on nothing but lies? Even your own prophet admitted that it appeared that Christ was crucified. Now you are turning to atheists to confirm Muhammadanism.

Besides the fact that it is well attested in the historical record, as well as being the WHOLE SUBJECT of the Gospel that you must reject because you are a Gnostic, just like Simon the Magician that Muhammad received his Gnosticism from by way of his first wife Khadijah's cousin Waraqa.

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Re: Chat with the mufti np33123 beginning 9-27
« Reply #32 on: October 02, 2011, 06:08:08 AM »
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Are there in the Gospels any scientifically proofs? Because in the NOBEL QUR'AN we have tons ! Are you telling us MUSLIMS(first we don't call our selves Mohamedans it is totally wrong term ) are you telling us we are MAGICIANS ? Do you think that ISLAM is like Voodooism?


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Re: Chat with the mufti np33123 beginning 9-27
« Reply #33 on: October 02, 2011, 06:09:03 AM »
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[[[[Are there in the Gospels any scientifically proofs?]]]]

Besides boatloads of fulfilled prophecy there is even mathematical proof.
http://www.beholdthebeast.com/mathematical_precision_of_prophecy.htm

[[[[Because in the NOBEL QUR'AN we have tons! ]]]]

Sorry my friend, but that is nothing more than the wishful foolishness of men pretending, in efforts to replace the truth of the scriptures, with pure poppycock.
All you have to do is a search like - miracles of quran exposed -
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=2639.msg10896#msg10896

[[[[Are you telling us MUSLIMS(first we don't call our selves Mohamedans it is totally wrong term) .......]]]]

It is the ONLY CORRECT TERM, because you REJECT ALL OF THE PROPHETS and witnesses as revealed in the 1600 year record of Yahweh, to FOLLOW MUHAMMAD.
You are a follower of Muhammad, just like Muhammad proclaimed you are.
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=2656.0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7fUf1TlAXlc

[[[[....... are you telling us we are MAGICIANS?]]]]

No. You follow the doctrine of Simonianism that was penned in the first century by the first Gnostic, Simon the Magician. Muhammad received the doctrine by way of his wife Khadijah's cousin Waraqa who was an Ebionite occult priest.
Muhammad's family was deeply involved in the occult.
http://religionresearchinstitute.org/Mohammad/occultism.htm

Please watch the video.

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Re: Chat with the mufti np33123 beginning 9-27
« Reply #34 on: October 02, 2011, 06:11:36 AM »
10-2

[[[[Do you think that ISLAM is like Voodooism?]]]]

Islam is FAR WORSE than voodooism.
If someone was only ever taught voodooism, and never heard about Yahweh, or the Gospel of the Messiah, it could be that they are saved because of their ignorance.
No law, no transgression

Rom 4:15 Because the law worketh wrath: for where no law is, [there is] no transgression.

But Muhammadanism is the perfection of Satan's will. He fills his followers with complete resolve as to what to DISbelieve. Specifically what to DENY. And that is Yahweh, and His Messiah Yeshua, as revealed in the scriptures.
If a Muslim confesses that Jesus is the Son of God he has committed the most egregious, and only unpardonable sin, under Muhammad's stand-alone law. That is specifically ANTICHRIST.

1Jo 4:15 Whosoever shall confess that Jesus is the Son of God, God dwelleth in him, and he in God.

1John 5:12 He that hath the Son hath life; [and] HE THAT HATH NOT THE SON OF GOD HATH NOT LIFE.

1John 2:22 ... HE IS ANTICHRIST, THAT DENIETH the Father and THE SON. 23 WHOSOEVER DENIETH THE SON, THE SAME HATH NOT THE FATHER:

See how Muhammadanism is the EXACT OPPOSITE of the Gospel?
Particularly when it comes to the WHOLE SUBJECT of the Gospel.

Matthew 26:28 For this is MY BLOOD of the new testament, which is SHED FOR MANY for the remission of sins.

Rom 3:25 Whom God hath set forth [to be] a propitiation THROUGH FAITH IN HIS BLOOD, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;

But you my friend, will not be able to plead ignorance, after the many hours we have spent together. You will be judged based on having full knowledge of the truth, but rejecting it to follow Satan through his prophet Muhammad.

John 3:36 He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and HE THAT BELIEVETH NOT THE SON SHALL NOT SEE LIFE, BUT THE WRATH OF GOD ABIDETH ON HIM.

Rev 20:10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where THE BEAST and THE FALSE PROPHET [are], and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

You will be judged accordingly, by the very Son of God you deny.

John 5:22 For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son:

You see my friend, you would have been far better off not ever having run into me, because now you will not be able to plead ignorance when you stand in judgment.

2Pe 2:21 For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known [it], to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them.

Unless you repent, you will be judged by all of the blasphemy you have spoken and written against the Word of God.
And you do that solely because you are a Muhammadan - a follower of Muhammad. A man that you cannot deny is revealed through your own books as a mass murdering, female prisoner abuser, who lived off of the property he stole from those he murdered.
http://www.petewaldo.com/banu_qurayza_massacre.htm

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Re: Chat with the mufti np33123 beginning 9-27
« Reply #35 on: October 02, 2011, 01:14:16 PM »
10-2

Please let me ask you a question Tereeb

Mormons follow Joseph Smith....
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Smith,_Jr

...who said he was inspired by an angel named Maroni.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Angel_Moroni

Do you think that Mormons follow Joseph Smith because they believe he is leading them down the wrong path, or the right path?

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Re: Chat with the mufti np33123 beginning 9-27
« Reply #36 on: October 03, 2011, 05:46:06 AM »
10-2

Surah Al-Baqarah (The Cow)
140. Or say you that Ibrahim (Abraham), Isma'il (Ishmael), Ishaque (Isaac), Ya'qub (Jacob) and Al-Asbat [the twelve sons of Ya'qub (Jacob)] were Jews or Christians? Say, "Do you know better or does Allah (knows better...; that they all were Muslims)? And who is more unjust than he who conceals the testimony [i.e. to believe in Prophet Muhammad Peace be upon him when he comes, written in their Books. he has from Allah? And Allah is not unaware of what you do."
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Re: Chat with the mufti np33123 beginning 9-27
« Reply #37 on: October 03, 2011, 05:46:45 AM »
10-3

I answer to all your questions and points, but you never answer mine.
Can't you answer just this one question Tereeb?

Mormons follow Joseph Smith....
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Smith,_Jr

...who said he was inspired by an angel named Maroni.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Angel_Moroni

Do you think that Mormons follow Joseph Smith because they believe he is leading them down the wrong path, or the right path?

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Re: Chat with the mufti np33123 beginning 9-27-11
« Reply #38 on: October 03, 2011, 11:46:46 AM »
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I answered all your questions too and the last answer is that: ISLAM IS THE TRUTH!
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Then np followed by the typical copy and paste blasphemy, in this case the Gospel springing out of Mithra, that I decided to do a separate forum category for so it could be found with a search engine more easily.
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=2798.0

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Re: Chat with the mufti np33123 beginning 9-27-11
« Reply #39 on: October 03, 2011, 11:47:38 AM »
[[[[I answered all your questions too and the last answer is that: ISLAM IS THE TRUTH!]]]]

But that didn't answer the question at all. It's easy to understand your fear of offering a simple answer, to the simple question I asked. I would also be in sheer terror to the answer if I were you!
The simple truth is, that Mormons are no less committed to their false prophet Joseph Smith, than Muhammadans are committed to THE false prophet Muhammad.

Mat 7:15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.
http://www.blueletterbible.org/search/translationResults.cfm?Criteria=false+prophets&t=KJV

Both groups believe in their false prophets with their whole hearts.

Jeremiah 17:9 The heart [is] deceitful above all [things], and desperately wicked: who can know it?
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1. Mormons follow Joseph Smith - who claimed he received his unwitnessed revelations from an angel named Maroni - because they have been taught that Joseph Smith is leading them down the one true path.

Muhammadans follow Muhammad - who claimed he received his unwitnessed revelations from an angel named Gabriel - because they have been taught that Muhammad is leading them down the one true path.

2Cr 11:14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.
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2. Because the declarations of Joseph Smith are not supported by the Gospel, a 19th century "Restored Gospel" had to be created, in a blasphemous effort to codify Joseph Smith's errors.
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=550.0

2Cr 11:4 For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or [if] ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with [him].

Because the declarations of Muhammad are the EXACT OPPOSITE of the WHOLE SUBJECT of the Gospel, Muhammadans must believe that a nonexistent Gospel exists, that somehow teaches the exact opposite of the Gospel. They must believe this because Muhammad made 7th century references to the Gospel, even instructing Christians Sura 5:47 Let the people of the Gospel judge by what Allah hath revealed therein.
Yet no sane person would suggest that the Gospel in Muhammad's 7th century, that by then had been translated into every popular language, copied many tens of thousands of times, and had been read all over the known world for centuries before Muhammad, could be materially different that it is today.
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=1704.0
Absolutely laughable to suggest that the WHOLE SUBJECT had somehow become the EXACT OPPOSITE of what it had been.
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=148.0
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3. While Mormons at least believe that Jesus died on the cross, to serve as a sacrifice to save all who have faith in His shed blood from dying in sin, let's consider the term "cult" as it relates to LDS and their false prophet Joseph Smith.

1. a particular system of religious worship, especially with reference to its rites and ceremonies.
2. an instance of great veneration of a person, ideal, or thing, especially as manifested by a body of admirers
3. the object of such devotion.
4. a group or sect bound together by veneration of the same thing, person, ideal, etc.
5. Sociology . a group having a sacred ideology and a set of rites centering around their sacred symbols.
6. a religion or sect considered to be false, unorthodox, or extremist, with members often living outside of conventional society under the direction of a charismatic leader.
7. the members of such a religion or sect.

Let's look at the term "cult" as it relates to Muhammadan's who Muhammad taught to specifically DISbelieve the whole subject of the Gospel, and REJECT the very blood that would save them.
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=2451.0

1. a particular system of religious worship, especially with reference to its rites and ceremonies.
2. an instance of great veneration of a person, ideal, or thing, especially as manifested by a body of admirers
3. the object of such devotion.
4. a group or sect bound together by veneration of the same thing, person, ideal, etc.
5. Sociology . a group having a sacred ideology and a set of rites centering around their sacred symbols.
6. a religion or sect considered to be false, unorthodox, or extremist, with members often living outside of conventional society under the direction of a charismatic leader. (though it wasn't Muhammad's charisma as much as Satan's, that attracted men to follow Muhammad in mass murder, female prisoner abuse, and the theft of the property of others)
7. the members of such a religion or sect.
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4. Those who leave Mormonism are ostracized.

Muhammadanism imposes the ultimate penalty for leaving their cult - death.

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Re: Chat with the mufti np33123 beginning 9-27-11
« Reply #40 on: October 04, 2011, 08:36:10 AM »
10-4

Thank you for the much needed forum subject Tereeb!
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=2798.0
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