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Welcome BeholderGuard to the Islam-Christian Forum
« on: October 26, 2011, 05:09:39 AM »
http://www.youtube.com/user/BeholderGuard

Hello Beholderguard, and welcome to the forum! :)
It isn't often that I recognize someone's user name when they sign up to join the forum!
In the past we had a considerable volume of confused and disorganized chats in little 500 character bits and pieces on YouTube. I look forward to being able to chat where our posts aren't rapidly relegated to successive pages within days or even hours, as if it never took place, resulting in so much repetition and wasted time.

Clicking on the title at the top of each post creates a URL to that specific post, so rather than having to repeat ourselves if a question has already been answered, we can simply reference the post with a link. The forum search function works very well for the whole forum and for individual pages in threads.
If you need help with quoting or posting links in text and such, I detailed a little of how I do it at the following link. I don't know if they are the best methods, but they work pretty well for me.
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=39.0

With our history, and through our respective journeys on YouTube since, I am sure we have each distilled the questions we would most like to ask those of each others faith. Let's begin with the broad, fundamental issues, that are central to our faith, rather than beginning with ancillary issues. We can deal with ancillary topics after we deal with the fundamentals.

I would suggest that the best way for us to begin is for each of us to ask the other a question, by initiating separate threads in this section, and for us to make an effort to keep each of those threads on topic, without confusing them with unrelated material. Individual simple questions will grow considerably in complexity as it is, without adding unnecessary confusion.

We can post live links, and single-point copy and pasted text from each of our supporting web pages to help support a point, or copy and paste brief sections from the others link material presented with a related question. If I reference links within this forum it would be best to treat them the same way, rather than replying directly on those threads, and scattering our conversation into confusion all over the map.

There is no need to rush to introduce unrelated material to our respective threads, since after each is satisfied that the other has answered his first question, he can move forward with his next question.

This will allow a well organized and cataloged chat that can take place thoughtfully, over time, that each of us can pursue individually as our schedules allow. Does that sound OK to you?

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Re: Welcome BeholderGuard to the Islam-Christian Forum
« Reply #1 on: October 26, 2011, 01:34:58 PM »
I left this "thank you" and invitation on Beholderguard's channel at about 7 this morning


PeteWaldo

Hi BeholderGuard and thank you for joining the Islam-Christian Forum! I look forward to being able to engage in thoughtful and well organized chats there, rather than these rapidly revolving 500 character channel comment bits and pieces. I started a thread with some suggestions for our discussions. I look forward to chatting with you there!
PeteWaldo
Simply copy and paste the following URL, then remove the spaces from after the two dots, and press your enter key.
brotherpete. com/index. php?topic=2830.0
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But later on it was removed and greeted with the following comments


friendofutube2009

Warning to all brothers:

Me and brother np33123 have debated with this pagan PeteWaldo long time back. He's not one person, worse his posts are written by some kind of robot or machine. He doesn't reply point-by-point. No amount of truth can make this guy (actually a team of hasbarat) to wake up. You're wasting your time if you discuss with him. LAST WARNING: never join his forum - it could be laden with self-exploding malaware and other infectious scripts designed to take over your computer and steal whatever private files you have. The least he can do is immobilize your PC with rootkits, viruses, etc.

Am requesting brother BeholderGuard to block this LIAR ASAP...
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BeholderGuard

Besm Ellah El Rahman El Raheem
RE: friendofutube2009
Done already akhi :)
Ignored, deleted, and blocked
I will unjoin that forum now
Alhamdoulellah, I used security software which is almost impossible to breach
Nd of course I used different passwords for each site separately :)
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But are these fellows telling the truth, or did BeholderGuard perhaps get brave enough to join the forum after these years, but then after he entered the forum realize that Islam cannot stand in the light of truth? Why did he join the forum?


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Re: Re: Welcome BeholderGuard to the Islam-Christian Forum
« Reply #2 on: October 26, 2011, 02:39:45 PM »
friendofutube2009

Warning to all brothers:

Me and brother np33123 have debated with this pagan PeteWaldo long time back. He's not one person,.......

If by that he means that I have multiple YouTube channels, that is correct, and perfectly acceptable within the YouTube community.
My original channel more geared toward helping the church understand Islam in bible prophecy.
http://www.youtube.com/user/PeteWaldo
The second channel I started more geared toward pointing out to those that follow Muhammad, the consequences thereof. (recently hit over a million views on one video!)
http://www.youtube.com/user/brotherjw
The next channel deals more with the history of Mecca and origins of Islamic so-called "tradition" that was all created and put to the pen in the 7th and 8th centuries AD.
http://www.youtube.com/user/IslamExplored
And recently I started a channel to introduce this forum more specifically, and deal with more topical and controversial contemporary issues, and when I get time, to do 1 or 2 minute videos introducing the subjects in the forum that my websites don't cover.
http://www.youtube.com/user/IslamChristianForum

It's no secret because all channels list each other and there is also some redundancy in uploading from channel to channel, such as smaller file size lower quality uploads, and edited versions.

....... worse his posts are written by some kind of robot or machine. He doesn't reply point-by-point.

Is this true? The archive of channel comments on the PeteWaldo channel attest to a very different picture than that, in spite of the confusion created by the limited nature of the YouTube venue. Anyone can check for themselves.
http://www.youtube.com/user/PeteWaldo

I spent days in point-by-point answers in this forum in the threads at the following two links alone. I directed him here so that he could have the benefit of live links and could do a thorough study of the answers to each and every question he had.
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=1043.0
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=1046.0

For anyone interested in seeing how his "points" were addressed over and over and over ad nauseum, simply copy - friendofutube2009 -  and paste it into the search function on the home page of the forum.

No amount of truth can make this guy (actually a team of hasbarat) to wake up. You're wasting your time if you discuss with him. LAST WARNING: never join his forum - it could be laden with self-exploding malaware and other infectious scripts designed to take over your computer and steal whatever private files you have. The least he can do is immobilize your PC with rootkits, viruses, etc.

But what reason would a Christian forum administrator have to drive people out of a forum by ruining their computers and giving the forum a bad reputation?

SMF or Simple Machines Forum software is very highly regarded and broadly used. What friendofutube2009 is really expressing is his sheer terror of truth. That's why he instructed BeholderGuard to delete my comment, before his brethren could be led to this link, and is telling them to run away before they get the opportunity to decide for themselves where the truth resides.

Indeed it is Islamic cyber-terrorists that have repeatedly DDoS attacked, and hacked, this forum in efforts to censor the truth just like friendofutube2009 desired to, because Islam cannot stand the light of truth of the Gospel of the Messiah.
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=1776.0
Same reason bibles are banned or restricted in 51 countries. Because neither Islam nor communism can stand in the light of the truth.
http://www.persecution.com/public/restrictednations.aspx?clickfrom=bWFpbl9tZW51

Am requesting brother BeholderGuard to block this LIAR ASAP...

We have to pray for the poor fellow. He comes from Saudi Arabia and knows that if he were to leave Islam, by coming to know the love of the one true God through a relationship with Yeshua the Messiah, it is punishable by death. Yet the poor fellow can't even see just whose spirit it really is, that drives men to slaughter other innocent men, purely because of something they choose to believe.

http://www.persecution.com/public/restrictednations.aspx?clickfrom=bWFpbl9tZW51
"Saudi Arabia is the second most repressive nation in the world for Christians. Converts from Islam to Christianity are rare in this nation. Barriers to spreading the gospel are intense. Leaving Islam is punishable by death. Anyone who does mission work or converts a Muslim faces jail, expulsion, lashing, torture or execution. Public non-Muslim worship, even for foreign Christians, is prohibited. Christians are regularly imprisoned or deported, and Christian churches are banned."

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Re: chat beh
« Reply #3 on: October 27, 2011, 09:24:30 AM »
Some hours after the censoring of my "thank you", and reactions of friendofutube2009 and BeholderGuard, np33123 chimed piled on in typical fashion.

np33123 (8 hours ago)

@ friendofutube2009 Wa Alaikumis Salaam Akhi . Pagan PeteWaldo is a real Satanist Azazil/Iblis is talking from his mouth , he is making tricky explanations of the corrupted Bible and he can not see how ridiculous he is .
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Yet the examples at the following links, are the kind of explanation that he considers "tricky".
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=2845.0
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=2839.0

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Re: Welcome BeholderGuard to the Islam-Christian Forum
« Reply #4 on: October 27, 2011, 01:09:37 PM »
BeholderGuard, I moved your comments to a dedicated thread.
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=2835.0

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Re: Welcome BeholderGuard to the Islam-Christian Forum
« Reply #5 on: October 28, 2011, 12:16:02 PM »
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