Does God have a Spirit?

[Pete]

Why can't you understand a word I say?

What I understand is you are going through a whole foolish exercise and wasted time in a continuing effort to deny that God has a Spirit.

What I control is my own spirit, which is me.

The flesh is simply dead meat, made alive by my spirit.

Exodus 31:3 says that God filled Bezaleel with the Holy Spirit.

This means that he sent the Holy Spirit to inspire him.

What does that have to do with anything?

Messengers of God are those who recieve the Holy Spirit.

Tell me:

If Christians have the Holy Spirit in them then why are they the biggest sinners in the world?

First, you statement is backwards and preposterous. No group expresses God's love, around the world, more than Christians.
Who's murdering in the name of God all around the world? Two million in the Sudan alone. In India. In Indonesia. In Australia. Who's book encourages them to beat their wives? To smite unbelievers. To lock their wives in the house all day.

Regarding Christian sin, ALL have sinned and come short of the glory of God.
Additionally many that call themselves Christians aren't.
Second, because Christians are free to make their own mistakes rather than being forced by lowly filthy wretches of men that take charge of them, and force them to behave in a manner that is prescribed for them.
Like the cutting off of hands for theft under sharia law:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6fbXvq_ZIbw&feature
Filthy animals in that video.

Under the perfect example of sharia law in Saudi Arabia, if you don't show up for your prayer of the heathen in the morning, they send the police to your home to find out why.
In this Somalian town missing prayer is punishable by beheading. http://www.boston.com/news/world/africa/articles/2006/12/06/somalia_official_issues_beheading_threat/

Or the penalty of death for apostasy:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y70Z_hmOGWw

Christian faith is based on the relationship between the individual and God, through Jesus Christ and the power of the Holy Ghost.

Muslims are all about being saved through the flesh. But all of our righteousnesses are as filthy menstrual cloths to God. Good works are the RESULT of salvation, not the path to it.
Muslims are about engaging in proper anus fingering technique while washing before prayer (Taharat), or if I don't pray my 495 prayer repetitions today then I will go to hell.
Just more opposites. Salat is the prayer of the heathen:

Matthew 6:7 But when ye pray, use not vain repetitions, as the heathen [do]: for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking.

I don't deny that I am covered in flesh.

I just said that the flesh is dead.

Where are you heading?

A dead end, I think because nothing you are saying is relevant.

Romans 3:10 is Paul and so is 1 Corinthians 6:19.

If I followed the accursed teachings of Paul I would not marry (1 Corinthians 7:1),

But that's simply not so. We read in the very next verse:
1Cr 7:2 Nevertheless, [to avoid] fornication, let every man have his own wife, and let every woman have her own husband.

would be the head of my wife and boss her around (1 Corinthians 11:3),

The husband is the head of the wife as Christ is the head of the church.
You don't understand love because you are a Muslim. Here is the context in which we are the head of our wife:

Ephesians 5:25 Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it;

There can be no greater love than that. This is the context in which we are the head of the wife and household. To first ask how best we can love our wives.

And Islam?
Sura 2:223 your wives are as tilth (farmland) unto you; so approach your tilth when or how ye will...

That verse may as well say your wives are as filth, the way women are treated in Islam. Full hijab, 1/2 the voice in court, 1/2 the inheritance. In Saudi Arabia women need a permit from their husband to be out of the house. Many are locked inside their homes for the day. Men with 4 wives + concubines - they are the filth.

Women are as tilth. Simply there for the beating:

Sura 4:34 - Men are the maintainers of women because Allah has made some of them to excel others and because they spend out of their property; the good women are therefore obedient, guarding the unseen as Allah has guarded; and (as to) those on whose part you fear desertion, admonish them, and leave them alone in the sleeping-places and beat them; then if they obey you, do not seek a way against them; surely Allah is High, Great.

would have women covered while praying and have their heads shaved if they do not do so (1 Corinthians 11:5-6),

When I was a kid ALL women wore head coverings in church. The disappearance of this ordinance is part of the apostasy of the institutional church. But what else does that passage say?

1Cr 11:4 Every man praying or prophesying, having [his] head covered, dishonoureth his head.

1Cr 11:7 For a man indeed ought not to cover [his] head, forasmuch as he is the image and glory of God: but the woman is the glory of the man.

So all these Muslim imams I see are dressed as women before God!
As always. ISLAM IS THE DIRECT OPPOSITE OF THE WORD OF GOD. Just like Mohammed was the direct opposite of Jesus.

would force women to shut up in Church and be submissive (1 Corinthians 14:34-35),

Indeed. And if they have a question to ask it at home.
And Islam? They can't even sit together in that regard-only-for-men religion of satan. Walk behind. Look down, not in eyes.

Women can teach other women in the church, women can even be deacons, but women are not supposed to be in religious positions of authority over men.
What has happened when the church allows women those positions? The Episcopal church turned to ordaining homosexuals.
Often in Pentecostal churches you find something like this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dk6keUIE2WM
Is that church in order? I can't judge from the little clip, but at first blush it wouldn't appear so.
Has the spirit behind that tongue been tried? Not likely. More like "peeping".

would not allow women to teach and force them into silence (1 Timothy 2:11-12) and would have my wife submit to me as if I am the Lord (Ephesians 5:22).

Exactly. See? You are saying the words but can't understand them.

Ephesians 5:25 Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it;

It's about love.

So there goes Paul.

Blessedly, yes.

[Pete]

And I do not follow Hebrews 9:22.

Of course not. That's the whole point. You deny the entire subject of the new covenant we are given through Jesus Christ. You think you are on a path to God. So do Hindus and Buddhists. Do you believe they are? At least they aren't based in one violent, sexually promiscuous, reprobate's 6th century stand-alone religion.

Hebrews 10:29 Of HOW MUCH SORER PUNISHMENT, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, WHO HATH TRODDEN UNDER FOOT THE SON OF GOD, and HATH COUNTED THE BLOOD OF THE COVENANT, wherewith he was sanctified, AN UNHOLY THING, and hath DONE DESPITE UNTO THE SPIRIT OF GRACE?

John 3:36 He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and HE THAT BELIEVETH NOT THE SON shall not see life; but THE WRATH OF GOD ABIDETH ON HIM.

Stop giving me false doctrines of the Bible.

I am a Christian. My faith is based on the 1600 year record that God gave us through His Holy Word.
You, of course, believe it to be false because you are a Mohammedan. Your faith is based on the 23 year 6th century, heavily abrogated, record of Mohammed.

Jesus says:

"But go ye and learn what that meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice: for I am not come to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance." (Matthew 9:13).

Does it ever make you a little feel stupid to say: "Stop giving me false doctrines of the Bible.", and then to turn around and quote from the bible in the very next sentence?

Let it go. The bible is THE OPPOSITE of the Quran. Christianity the OPPOSITE of Islam. Muslims the OPPOSITE of Christians. One must choose between the God of the Christians and the Jews, or the god of Mohammed's stand-alone 6th century "religion" of hatred, death and destruction.

Jesus did not want sacrifice, so he did not want himself to be sacrificed for you.

Jhn 18:11 Then said Jesus unto Peter, Put up thy sword into the sheath: the cup which my Father hath given me, shall I not drink it?

He wanted sinners, like us to go into repentance.

Repentance doesn't start by denying the Son of God. 1Jo 5:5 Who is he that overcometh the world, but he that believeth that Jesus is the Son of God?
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=56.0

God will forgive my sins and not some stupid blood money.

Blasphemy seems to come as naturally to you as perhaps walking.

Matthew 26:28, I do not follow.

You can't, as long as you are an unrepentant Mohammedan. Here's why:

Surah 4:157 That they said (in boast), "We killed Christ Jesus the son of Mary, the Messenger of Allah";- but they killed him not, nor crucified him, but so it was made to appear to them, and those who differ therein are full of doubts, with no (certain) knowledge, but only conjecture to follow, for of a surety they killed him not:-

Mohammed even denied the historical record of Jesus death on the Cross. Even lots of atheists and secular historians believe Jesus died on the Cross.
THAT IS THE SINGLE MOST DEADLY VERSE IN THE QURAN.
It is the OPPOSITE of the New Testament of God's Word.

It also contradicts Matthew 9:13, where Jesus says that he does not desire sacrifice.

Try a little context. Jesus is talking to the Pharisees whose temple's purpose was for blood sacrifice.
He is explaining that there is a new covenant through Jesus Christ. That He is their promised Messiah.

Today Jesus shed blood is the new covenant substitute, for the blood sacrifice of the old covenant.

Jesus says:

"...Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature."

What is the Gospel?

Is it the Gospel of Matthew, Mark, Luke or John?

No.

It is the Gospel of Jesus.

Where is this Gospel?

It is vanished.

I see. So God left no record. Then presumably He anointed a 6th century reprobate to nullify the 1600 year record, that Jews and Christians perceived for 2200 years, that He left.

There was such thing as a Gospel of Jesus, therefore according to Mark 16:15, written during his life.

Then where is it.

If you can find it, I am certain that it will prophesy the advent of Islam and Mohammad, as the seal of Prophets and mercy to mankind.

But it is lost.

You people threw it away.

Your choice: 1John 5:12 He that hath the Son hath life; [and] he that hath not the Son of God hath not life.

Don't tell me to follow the Bible.

I follow the Gospel of Jesus, not the Gospels of Matthew, Mark, Luke and John.

They are corrupted and man-altered.

Genesis 1:26 is a fabrication, to the scriptures.

It is nothing but a lie.

Indeed. For a Mohammedan the whole Word of God must necessarily be a lie to follow in their stand-alone 6th century religion of Mohammed.

Why should I ever follow, that God made us in his image?

Did God create us to look like himself?

No, because we do not look like God at all.

So, where did this sick lie come from?

It comes from the Word of God. God and Jesus - a coexistent part of God, like His Spirit - made us in THEIR image. Self and spirit:

Gen 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

By your foolish interpretation, everyone on earth would be identical, right down to each hair.

And Mohammad is not a false Prophet, mate.

I don't believe Mohammed is just a false prophet either. I believe Mohammed is THE false prophet, as the beast is Islam. http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=12.0

Rev 20:10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and THE FALSE PROPHET [are], and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.
   
Who do you suppose THE FALSE PROPHET is? The tooth fairy? Or the most successful false prophet in world history that has led his minions to perdition for 1400 years, and another 1.5 billion in the world today. And this with a single individual’s 23 year record that is in such a mess that 71 out of 114 suras are subject to abrogation.

Your Bible says otherwise:

1 John 4:2:

'This is how you can recognize the Spirit of God: Every spirit that acknowledges that Jesus is the Christ (Messiah) who has come in the flesh is from God...'

1 John 5:1:

"Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ (Messiah) is born of God..."

That passage is about trying SPIRITS not persons. Can't you read?
We can see the perfect measure of Islam in this verse:

1 John 2:22  Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? HE IS ANTICHRIST, THAT DENIETH the Father and THE SON. 23 WHOSOEVER DENIETH THE SON, THE SAME HATH NOT THE FATHER: [(but) he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also].

Why on earth would you quote from the very same area of scripture that condemns you?! Why would you quote from the Word of God at all? You are a Mohammedan.

Surah Ale-Imran 3:45 says that Jesus is the Messiah and therefore we pass the test as spirits of God.

We Muslims and our Prophet are spirits of God and are born of God according to your Bible.

You have never touched on that and never answer it.

Why?

This is the second time I have answered it. The same area of scripture condemns you as an antichrist. Condemns Islam as antichrist. Condems Mohammed as antichrist. You deny the Son of God. The only begotten of the Father.

[Pete]

And if you worship one God, as the Bible teaches, then why do you believe in a Trinity.

Both concepts contradict one-another.

The term "trinity" is likely 3rd century Constantinian Roman church. While I understand the term, I am afraid that this non-scriptural term may constitute a serious stumbling block preventing many Mohammedans from coming to God. Explained in more detail in this thread:
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=110.0

You said:

"You choose to follow the 23 year abrogation filled record of a 6th century pillaging, plundering, murdering, sexually enslaving, imperialistic conquering false prophet..."

Actually the Prophets of the Bible are ordered by your God to pillage, plunder, murder, rape and conquer:

Numbers 31:17-18:

"Now kill all the boys and all the women who have slept with a man, but save for yourselves the girls who have not slept with a man".

Deuteronomy 20:10-14:

"As you approach a town to attack it, first offer its people terms for peace.  If they accept your terms and open the gates to you, then all the people inside will serve you in forced labor.  But if they refuse to make peace and prepare to fight, you must attack the town.  When the LORD your God hands it over to you, kill every man in the town.  But you may keep for yourselves all the women, children, livestock, and other plunder.  You may enjoy the spoils of your enemies that the LORD your God has given you."

Old covenant stuff. Mohammedans try to find comfort in how God chose to manifest Himself at the beginnings of mankind, in an effort to justify the horribly reprobate behavior of your carnal, murdering, fornicating false prophet. But we were given a new covanant and some new commandments 2,000 years ago:

Mark 12:29  And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments [is], Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord:  30  And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength: this [is] the first commandment.  31 And the second [is] like, [namely] this, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. There is none other commandment greater than these.  32  And the scribe said unto him, Well, Master, thou hast said the truth: for there is one God; and there is none other but he:

Matthew 5:44 But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;

Then 6 centuries later followers of Mohammed were told to:

Sura 8:12 I will instill terror into the hearts of the unbelievers: smite ye above their necks and smite all their finger-tips off them

Our Prophet did not pillage any town.

Our Prophet took the spoils of war, so that the Muslims could use them to improve their nation with 20% of it and give the rest to orphans, poor people, sick people and broken families.

That's right. Mohammedans stole the property of others to enrich and advance Mohammedans. You don't see anything wrong with that because there is an entire sura devoted to that theft.
And what happens to the 80% of it? See how reprobate it is? And unto today:



Just more stolen property.

The Muslims only murdered oppressors in acts of self-defense and to stop oppression.

Don't be silly. Mohammed even had poets murdered. http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=127.0

Imperialistic conquest IS NOT self-defense. This is a pure Mohammedan lie. The same lie that is told today with over 12,000 deadly Islamic terror attacks around the world, just since 9-11: http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/

What would you do?

While Hitler is killing 1000s of Jews, would you all sit down and pray to the Lord to stop this oppression or would you get ready to fight them yourselves to stop oppression?

You mean when Hitler and the Islamic Mufti of Jerusalem were killing millions of Jews?



And Mohammedans are killing Jews unto today? And promise to kill them all and drive them into the sea?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iZHWhsc7wvg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P_xHQ3lX9GE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d51poygEXYU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3m2OzEvyrsw



And training their children to hate those "apes and pigs": http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nhbHVEGnYD8



Allah's Apostle said, "You (i.e. Muslims) will fight with the Jews till some of them will hide behind stones. The stones will (betray them) saying, 'O 'Abdullah (i.e. slave of Allah)! There is a Jew hiding behind me; so kill him.' "

Pure satan talking. Forever is a long time, my friend.

Simple answer.

You must fight to end oppression and that is what our Prophet did.

But that's a Mohammedan lie. Your prophet handed his sword to others to go into battle while he watched from a distant hill with bodyguards and 2 suits of chainmail. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MG1MiLqH0jc
Your prophet advanced bloody imperialistic conquest from the plunder of his first caravan. Just a common murdering thief.

Islam has always BEEN OPPRESSION. Just like when the Islamic Mufti joined hands with Hitler. The U.S. fought against it. I believe it is a Christian obligation to come to the aid of the defenseless. To help the oppressed.

Mohammedan imperialism has murdered 2 million in the Sudan alone. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bI5Sk46LeNY
Let alone Nigeria. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6fbXvq_ZIbw

Everywhere there is death, murder, mayhem and misery around the world, you will find Islam.
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Ex6FypUmTw

If you sat down and prayed, God would give you nothing because you are a useless person who can do nothing except sit and pray.

Go out there and join in some action to end oppression instead of sitting on your ass and praying.

That is how you can help.

About sexually enslaving.

Allah ordered us to free captives, if they wanted freedom and to even give them some money so they can make a living.(Surah an-Nur 24:33).

This is so laughable it's preposterous. You have to TAKE SLAVES before you can free them. How many would have wanted to be freed the day they were captured? You see how stupid your interpretation is?
Indeed Allah even encouraged prostituting out your slaves for monetary gain:

Sura 24:33: ...But force not your maids to prostitution when they desire chastity, in order that ye may make a gain in the goods of this life. But if anyone compels them, yet, after such compulsion, is Allah, Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful (to them),

So when your maid does not desire chastity you can pimp her out and make a little cash! Perhaps split it with her the first time to encourage her to abandon her chastity. Or perhaps beat her until she doesn't want chastity.
But then even if your force them, Allah is forgiving anyway! How convenient.

He only allowed us to have sexual relations with them so that we would not fornicate.

We would perform temporary marriage with them, and not be allowed to force them into sex, according to the verse I quoted.

Allah made temporary marriage lawful only in this case, so that we would not fornicate.

Yea. Like through the one hour marriage. Or like 4 wives isn't fornication. And what about concubines? Not fornication?
Simply a carnal flesh cult of a carnal flesh sexually promiscuous prophet that even took his step-son's wife, and a 9 year old.

And we did not conquer those who were peaceful,...

Now you are into full blown lies. What do you think the First Jihad conquest up into France was?

... did not seek to destroy Islam and did not oppress.

Another lie. Just look at the Jizya tax.
Hey, no oppression here:

We only conquered those who were oppressive, who sought to destroy Islam and did not make peace.

Pure lies. Imperialistic conquest has always been Islam and is today. To rule all the mountain tops. It makes perfect sense that Islam would seek to rule the kingdoms of this earth. These kingdoms have been satan's legal property ever since Adam's fall. He even offered them to Jesus but Jesus didn't take the bait. However He never challenged Satan's ownership.
Islam is satan's religion, satan's people, out to consolidate satan's kingdoms.

I deny that blood can save, because I am a Muslim.

Exactly.

Hebrews 10:29 Of HOW MUCH SORER PUNISHMENT, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, WHO HATH TRODDEN UNDER FOOT THE SON OF GOD, and HATH COUNTED THE BLOOD OF THE COVENANT, wherewith he was sanctified, AN UNHOLY THING, and hath DONE DESPITE UNTO THE SPIRIT OF GRACE?

If I followed the Bible, I would contradict myself 600 and probably more, times.

Blood cannot save anyone.

God will forgive my sins, not blood.

Blood is created by God.

I seek remission from the creator.

You seek remission from the created.

That is why we are the truth and you are falsehood.

John 3:36 He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and HE THAT BELIEVETH NOT THE SON shall not see life; but THE WRATH OF GOD ABIDETH ON HIM.

[OneMuslimUmmah]

To answer everything you say I would require at least 2 hours and I have not that much time to spare.

I am off for 2 years.

I have school to worry about.

After I am back, Insha Allah I will speak with you again and answer every claim of yours.

Your claims are easy to answer, but require time, which I cannot spare.

[Pete]

It has been exhausting.
Good luck with your school my friend and may God bless you and lead you to the truth of His Holy Word.