Mosque at Ground Zero - site 9-11 Twin Towers New York

[Peter]

Saudis spend 10 billion or so a year in the U.S. setting up mosques, and Islamic centers to brainwash college students, but if 99.4% of Americans even set foot in Saudi Arabia they are subject to arrest, because non-Muslims are not allowed in Mecca.

Perhaps a mosque at ground zero should be allowed, only if Christians are allowed to build a Christian center, and Jews to build a synagogue, in just as high of a profile location in Mecca Saudi Arabia. Like around the corner from the Kaaba.



If the Saudis don't allow that perhaps we should instead kick the mosque out, and post highway signs all around New York City that allow "Non-Moslems Only", onto Manhattan Island.

You kinda have to feel sorry for them. Perhaps the reason the Saudis don't allow non-Muslims into Mecca, is because they don't want the world to discover the fact that Mecca is one big fat lie, since there is no historical or archaeological evidence whatsoever that suggests that Mecca ever existed, before about the 4th century AD when it was founded by pagan immigrants from Yemen, and its kaaba built around the early 5th century for pagan Arabian moon, sun, star and jinn/demon worship.
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?board=56.0

How about making the Muslims dedicate some space next to the mosque at ground zero for a Christian center?
Even without a center the mosque could offer an excellent opportunity for Christian folks to exercise their first amendment rights, and pass out free tracts of the Gospel of John, at all public entrances to the mosque.

But will that be allowed? No more than it was in Dearborn Michigan, when Christians passing out tracts of the Gospel of John on public streets outside of an Islamic festival, were detained by a dozen cops, and were not allowed to pass the tracts out on public streets within five blocks of the festival at threat of imprisonment.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Smw9QuH1xkA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8FXDAaiT6os

Wake up America!

The reason for the arrest of Christians passing out tracts of the Gospel of John is because the last thing that Islam has been able to stand, for the last 1400 years, is truth.
That's why Bibles are banned in Islamic countries and Muslims that come to know the love of the one true God are killed as "apostates", before they can influence others through their joy in the truth.
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?board=54.0

How are New Yorkers going to get along with the Islamic "call to prayer" blasting over a PA system 5 times a day?
If you don't think that will happen, that's probably what the folks in Dearborn and Hamtramck Michigan thought.
Dearborn and Hamtramck call to prayer

How would you like to be compelled to listen to this cat calling 5 times a day blasted in your neighborhood, when Muslims are called to pray their vain repetitions of the heathen? Sounds to me like a voice searching to find the right note.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z0_vnon5owE

Mat 6:7 But when ye pray, use not vain repetitions, as the heathen [do]: for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking.

"Newt Gingrich and others assailed the name of the project [Cordoba House]. It harked back to Cordoba, Spain, the seat of power of the Caliphate of Cordoba during the period of Muslim rule and Islamic occupation of Spain, where Muslim conquerors defeated Western Christians in the 8th century.[22][23][18] The name proved to be inflammatory, and the project's investors subsequently renamed the project "Park51".[24]"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cordoba_House

Thus the most will not only symbolize the Islamic conquest of the United States, but provide the most efficient commuting access for Islamic fundamentalists - the Muslim murderers that GET Islam - to come from all over the world.
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?board=52.0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AC3qFfvhycM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6TUs0FvxDOo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x5ZrfwC0IOg

How did the mainstream media cover this event?
Email I received


    Censored Protest At Ground Zero
    
    Stop the Mosque at Ground Zero
    Part II
    June 16, 2010, New York , N.Y. ,   ?  by El Marco
    
    Americans Stand Up Against Radical Islam in New York We Will Not Submit!
    Not one major network sent a satellite truck or camera crew to this event. Without bloggers this newsworthy event would have remained unknown to the public and history
    On Sunday, June 6th, a multi-ethnic, multi-racial coalition of Americans opposed to Islamic violence and intolerance rallied at the site of the World Trade Center in New York City .
    9/11 families were joined by immigrants from India, Russia, Egypt, Israel, Africa, Iran and Europe to show opposition to the construction of a mega-mosque at Ground Zero. Others flew in from overseas to speak or just to share their particular ethnic communities' experiences at the hands of Muslims.
    These are parents and spouses of firefighters killed on 9/11. The rally took place just a minute's walk from Ladder 10 Firehouse, where their loved ones were stationed for duty that terrible day. Ladder 10 lost seven firefighters.
    Crowd estimates ranged from 5,000 (NYPD) to 10,000. The crowd overflowed the police barrier enclosures that ran the full length of two city blocks. This photo shows the enclosure in front of the stage at the intersection of Liberty and Church Streets. The second enclosure ran the length of the next block and can be seen on the other side of the traffic lights.
    Thousands of additional participants filled the treed area of Zuccotti Park .
    Robert Spencer and Pamela Geller are the founders of STOP ISLAMIZATION OF AMERICA, which sponsored the rally. Ms. Geller is a citizen journalist and blogger who runs the human rights web site Atlas Shrugs. Mr. Spencer is the author of several books on Islam and head of the influential web site Jihad watch. Pamela Geller:
    Ground Zero is a war memorial, Ground Zero is a burial ground. We are asking for sensitivity. It is unconscionable to build a shrine to the very ideology that inspired the jihadist attacks at Ground Zero, right there. We are asking the imam Rauf and Daisy Khan to be sensitive. For mutual respect and mutual understanding that is demanded of us every day.
    There's a hair-trigger sensitivity in the Muslim world, you can't run the cartoons, you can't say Mohammed, this is offensive. This is an offensive mosque. To build a shrine, an Islamic flag of conquest on the sacred ground the cherished site, of a conquered land. This is historic, this is Islamic history. It's what they do. The St. Sofia in Turkey, the al-Quds, at the holiest Jewish site in Israel . Not here. This is where we take a stand. We must take a stand. We must say no.
    I do not believe that the landmarks commission controlled by Mayor Bloomberg, is going to stop this mosque. It's not going to happen. Here's Omar Muhamedi, on his human rights council, a CAIR lawyer, who sued the airlines and the Jane and John Does that saw something and said something on those airplanes, if you remember. That's who's on his human rights commission. It ain't gonna happen with Bloomberg. We have to make it happen. You have to get involved. (Pamela Geller)
    Police enclosure on left, with crowd flowing out of park on right. The new Tower 7 and World Trade Center site are in the background. The green tent, center, is located immediately behind the stage.
    Port Authority and NYPD officers kept watch over the rally and were well aware of the need for heightened security at this event. One of their own Port Authority officers, WTC Sergeant Alan T. De Vona was on duty at the World Trade Center on 9/11, 2001, and was one of the first to help victims of the terrorist attack. He spoke these words to the SIOA rally:
    It?s almost nine years. I?m hoping that America is watching. I'm hoping that America is remembering. Because, make no mistake. September 11 was an act of war. And thank the military that has lost almost 5,000 troops from that day, defending us. I don't know what to say to jar America's memory. I want America to remember.
    Port Authority Police and FDNY firefighters are seen here gathered beneath this banner.
    The issues at stake will certainly affect the heart of American freedom, democracy, cultural values and tolerance. America is a tolerant country that allows for the free worship of all its citizens. But our tolerance has limits. Do we have to tolerate intolerant Islamic ideology and Muslims who preach intolerant Islam?
    Hindu human rights activists Narain Kataria, Prasad Yalamanchi and unidentified friend came from Mississippi and Chicago with banners and flyers highlighting the radical statements of imam Rauf and his jihadist roots.
    Stephen Dyer and Gary Jules journalism students at York College, with Pamela Geller. Not one major network sent a satellite truck or camera crew to this event. Without bloggers this newsworthy event would have remained unknown to the public and history.
    Pamela Geller is greeted by Hindu human rights activists Prasad Yalamanchi and Narain Kataria.
    Bhupinder Singh Bhurji, Pamela Geller, and Robert Spencer. Singh Bhurji is the president of the  NAMDHARI SIKH FOUNDATION. The foundation is a member of the Human Rights Coalition Against Radical Islam (HRCARI). HRCARI is a coalition of Hindus, Sikhs, Christians from Sudan, Egypt and Iraq, moderate Muslims and Jews who are victims and targets of radical Islam around the globe. He said, at another rally:
    Radical Islamists are killing people in India , trying to dominate that nation. And here too they come with violence against infidels. We are infidels united, standing together, brown, black and white, against this epoch's fascist movement. Radical Islam wants to dominate entire world. They want everyone to surrender. Islam radical or otherwise. They want to put the Islamic flag on White House.
    Because of Islamic terrorism, America and the world have seen massive new security measures become a way of life. Anyone openly critical of Islam, or terrorist ideology, must surround themselves with security, or live in hiding. Those courageous enough to confront Islamism are criticized by the cowards and appeasers of the left who seek safety by supporting the enemy. Moderate Muslims were silent when Theo van Gogh was brutally murdered in Amsterdam, just as moderate Muslims in the United States are generally reluctant to speak out against violent Islam. Moderate Muslims also face great danger in speaking out.
    Geller and Spencer will press on despite the danger. They hope to inspire Americans to stand up and say enough of political correctness and work to stem the galloping islamization of America and Europe ..

    Friends,
    
    Have you seen anything about this story on the evening news?
    Of course you haven't! So please forward this email to all those
    you know who feel the way you and I do about this country . . .
    
    Thank you,

http://sioe.wordpress.com/2010/06/08/thanks-to-pamela-geller-robert-spencer-and-sioa/

[mightymouse]

The devil always over plays his hand. He can't help it because he is the epitome of arrogance and self centeredness. This is why he is blinded to what really is happening through this effort. Like Hitler and Japan in World War II this event will,I believe, awaken a Sleeping Giant. The biggest event that sparked the massive missionary movement of the 1950's was when several missionaries were killed in Ecuador by native Auca Indians. I believe we will see an awakening of a similar magnitude as Islam continues to arrogantly shove it's lies in the face of the American people. It's not the mosque that befuddles me. It just shows how stupid and weak they think we are. What is really amazing is the Politicians supporting this effort that prove how weak and stupid THEY really are.

[yonah33]

"....when Obama became President, the US had ceased being a Christian Country; it was now a secular country. The transformation had taken place for over a century. Many people had taken the axe to America's Christianity. What was left was merely a mirage. Obama obliterated the mirage of American Christianity with one fell swoop. In one hour Obama utterly wiped out all the vestiges of American Christianity when he took the Oath of Office a second time, voiding the first Oath of Office taken with his hand on the Lincoln KJV of 1611 Bible in front of the nation on Inauguration Day January 20th, 2009. The second time Obama took the Oath of Office, he took it without his hand on the Bible; in fact, there was no Bible present (study the official White House picture published later, as no reporters were allowed in the White House for the official swearing in -- only Chief Justice Roberts was allowed in so he could administer the secular oath of office, the first one performed in America's history.)

The problem with America in the case of the mosque being planned in the neighborhood of Ground Zero, is that Americans chose to abandon Christianity as a religion, and they did it a long time ago, but officially at the Inauguration of Obama on January 20, 2009. Obama has also declared that the US is not a Christian Country, and, moreover, that the US had never been a Christian Country. No one has taken him to task on the latter. The Supreme Court should have done it by now; but they have not and will not likely do it. And certainly the Democratic Congress or the Senate will not do it. Therefore, Americans have no Constitutional right or moral right to request that a mosque, temple, church, or religious building, not be built anywhere.

When Obama was a candidate for the Presidency, he was attacked because of a sermon Rev. Jeremiah Wright had preached in the Church were Obama was married and his children were baptized. Rev. Wright, a Black Pastor of a major Chicago Church, had said, "No, no; not God save America, Goddamn America." This he had said in regards to America's failure to render justice for Blacks. Nevertheless, these shocking words were isolated and repeated on television so many times that Obama obliged the voters of America to denounce his Pastor. This church was Obama's only connection to Christianity. However the Republican Party and its Presidential candidate, Senator John McCain, did not press the matter of what Obama's Christian faith consisted of, because he did not wish to make Obama's religion an issue. For whatever reason McCain chose this path, his Party went along with him. Obama was treated as a Christian merely by the fact that he called himself a Christian -- and now a Christian without a church. Later after Obama won the Presidency, he was not able to find another church that was acceptable to him, and he has decided to simply remain a secular President and return to his former religion of Islam for the most part. This is something that the remnant of US Christian cannot fault him with, because they have not protested the US abandonment of Christianity altogether.

So the matter of the mosque near Ground Zero has come down to a Mexican Standoff. If the Muslims build the mosque, it shows lack of sensitivity toward the victims of 9-11. If the Americans stand in the way of the mosque, it shows lack of sensitivity toward Islam by Christianity. Now that we have a Carp Fish Czar, Obama should appoint an Islamic Sensitivity Czar. If the Imam Feisal Abdul Rauf was not already the Bridge Building Czar, he could have been appointed the Islamic Sensitivity Czar........."

http://www.v-a.com/rauf.html

[yonah33]

Democrats: the Domestic Enemies of America

"It is as if the Democrats have given Obama free reign to fan the flames of Islam in the US in exchange for a free hand with socialist measures. While Obama is misleading the New Yorkers into thinking that it is patriotic to allow a mosque at Ground Zero, the Democrats in Congress and the Senate are transforming the US into a socialist democracy. However, Obama is not a fool; if the Democrats are using him as a decoy, we should not be surprised that he is using them as a decoy also. And if you are a Republican, please do not pick one over the other as a lesser of the two evils; vote them all out at the upcoming elections.

The threat of the Imams and the Radical Muslims in America that Al-Qaeda will attack the US again like they did at 9-11, if we do not allow them to build a mosque at the location they have picked, is a threat of the Obama Administration as well. Just as they asked the Pastor in Florida not to burn the Qur'an, the Imam Feisal Abdul Rauf and Obama are asking Americans not to prevent the building of the mosque. The US is put in the same position as the Pastor from Florida; if the US allows the mosque to be built, Muslim Extremists will not burn the US down. It is an open threat: embrace Islam or die!

If you think this is far-fetched, consider the Dome of the Rock, which is built inside the Temple of Solomon in Jerusalem...........The mosque in the vicinity of Ground Zero will not only be an eyesore, but a thorn in the side of Americans forever, because you cannot move a mosque or tear it down; that is why the American Muslims want it there. Is this Islamophobia? If Americans had this disease they would not have voted for Obama. They heard about his being brought up as a Muslim and about his Pastor swearing against America, but they still voted for him. So, no, Americans are not Islamophobic; they may be anti-Christian, but not anti-Muslim............"

http://www.v-a.com/

[Peter]

Democrats: the Domestic Enemies of America

"It is as if the Democrats have given Obama free reign to fan the flames of Islam in the US in exchange for a free hand with socialist measures. While Obama is misleading the New Yorkers into thinking that it is patriotic to allow a mosque at Ground Zero, the Democrats in Congress and the Senate are transforming the US into a socialist democracy. However, Obama is not a fool; if the Democrats are using him as a decoy, we should not be surprised that he is using them as a decoy also. And if you are a Republican, please do not pick one over the other as a lesser of the two evils; vote them all out at the upcoming elections.

Nobody's using Obama. He's at the top of the Marxist-facist heap. I think the mosque would be a great place to bring the Gospel to Muslims, but as we learned from Dearborn Michigan free speech will only apply to one side.
Christians passing out tracts of the Gospel of John on public streets outside of an Islamic festival, were detained by a dozen cops, and then after being released were not allowed to pass the tracts out on public streets within five blocks of the festival at threat of imprisonment.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Smw9QuH1xkA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8FXDAaiT6os

[yonah33]

"It’s been a stormy few weeks as Americans grapple with the hot and complex issues of a post-9/11 world. With the mad Ground Zero mosque debate, Americans are forced to pinch themselves and wonder at the turned tables. Less than a decade after terrorists inspired by radical Islam have destroyed our ground and murdered our people, those brave Americans who want to protect our free land from that same dangerously encroaching radical Islam, are now being made out to be terrorists of freedom of religion and whatnot.

What have Americans learned in the past nine years? Well, it depends on which half of the population you’re talking about. And, what’s the deal with moderate Muslims? Who’s who in this messy picture? To answer these questions, take a look at the must-read articles below.

With all the at-home craziness, we can’t forget about the Iranian saga though. Don’t let Shiva Nazar-Ahari down—her life hangs in the balance. Take action and write a letter/sign a petition demanding the release of the noble 26-year-old Iranian journalist and human rights defender. Also, let’s show Ahmadinejad what we’ve got! Join the demonstration in NY this Sunday against his human rights abuses and nuclear aspirations.

Finally, watch Joseph Nassralla, a Coptic Christian activist, chillingly speak about what Islam has done to the Copts in Egypt at last week’s Rally of Remembrance at Ground Zero. As he yells, “God bless America! Wake up America!” Peace to the souls of our murdered brothers and sisters. Never again. Let’s mean it."

http://www.radicalislam.org/

[Peter]

yonah33 I am going to merge this with the 9-11 mosque thread in the politics section where it will be more widely viewed. OK?

[yonah33]

Nobody's using Obama. He's at the top of the Marxist-facist heap. I think the mosque would be a great place to bring the Gospel to Muslims, but as we learned from Dearborn Michigan free speech will only apply to one side.
Christians passing out tracts of the Gospel of John on public streets outside of an Islamic festival, were detained by a dozen cops, and then after being released were not allowed to pass the tracts out on public streets within five blocks of the festival at threat of imprisonment.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Smw9QuH1xkA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8FXDAaiT6os

I wonder how many are aware that public officials can be held personally liable for violating civil rights? As a former member of a religious cult,  I know first hand that the following has been used to threaten public officials that denied the right to proselytize.

42 U.S.C. 1983 Overview
A GUIDE TO CIVIL RIGHTS LIABILITY UNDER 42 U.S.C. § 1983: .... In order to hold a local government liable under section 1983, the Supreme Court .... A government official is entitled to qualified immunity unless his "act is so obviously ..... Pennhurst State School and Hospital v Halderman, 451 U.S. 1, 19 (1981). ...
www.constitution.org/brief/forsythe_42-1983.htm

[Peter]

This is the method I use for quoting yonah33.
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=39.0
If you want to practice on a redo, to make your post more clear, please feel free.

[Peter]

      By Newt Gingrich

      July 21, 2010 6pm


      There should be no mosque near Ground Zero in New York so long as
      there are no churches or synagogues in Saudi Arabia. The time for
      double standards that allow Islamists to behave aggressively toward us
      while they demand our weakness and submission is over.

      The proposed "Cordoba House" overlooking the World Trade Center site –
      where a group of jihadists killed over 3000 Americans and destroyed
      one of our most famous landmarks - is a test of the timidity,
      passivity, and historic ignorance of American elites. For example,
      most of them don’t understand that “Cordoba House” is a deliberately
      insulting term. It refers to Cordoba, Spain – the capital of Muslim
      conquerors who symbolized their victory over the Christian Spaniards
      by transforming a church there into the world’s third-largest mosque
      complex.

      Today, some of the Mosque’s backers insist this term is being used to
      "symbolize interfaith cooperation" when, in fact, every Islamist in
      the world recognizes Cordoba as a symbol of Islamic conquest. It is a
      sign of their contempt for Americans and their confidence in our
      historic ignorance that they would deliberately insult us this way.
      Those Islamists and their apologists who argue for "religious
      toleration" are arrogantly dishonest. They ignore the fact that more
      than 100 mosques already exist in New York City. Meanwhile, there are
      no churches or synagogues in all of Saudi Arabia. In fact no Christian
      or Jew can even enter Mecca.  And they lecture us about tolerance.

      If the people behind the Cordoba House were serious about religious
      toleration, they would be imploring the Saudis, as fellow Muslims, to
      immediately open up Mecca to all and immediately announce their
      intention to allow non-Muslim houses of worship in the Kingdom. They
      should be asked by the news media if they would be willing to lead
      such a campaign.

      We have not been able to rebuild the World Trade Center in nine years.
      Now we are being told a 13-story, $100 million megamosque will be
      built within a year overlooking the site of the most devastating
      surprise attack in American history.

      Finally, where is the money coming from? The people behind the Cordoba
      House refuse to reveal all their funding sources.
      America is experiencing an Islamist cultural-political offensive
      designed to undermine and destroy our civilization. Sadly, too many of
      our elites are the willing apologists for those who would destroy them if they could.
     
      No mosque.
      No self-deception.
      No surrender.
      The time to take a stand is now - at this site on this issue. .  .   .   .    .   .   .   .    Newt Gingrich.