Mecca - Makkah - In History (perhaps most important opening subject for Muslims)

[Mujaheed]

While you may have been taught to parrot that, you must reject the whole subject of the Gospel, and reject Jesus as a prophet, for His having prophesied His own crucifixion death and resurrection - the WHOLE SUBJECT of the Gospel.

Luke 24:44 And he said unto them, These [are] the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and [in] the prophets, and [in] the psalms, concerning me. 45 Then opened he their understanding, that they might understand the scriptures, 46 And said unto them, Thus it is written, and thus it behoved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day: 47 And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem. 48 And ye are witnesses of these things.
http://www.islamandthetruth.com/the_lamb_slain.htm

No I reject the speculation the inferences , the incorrect translation, the opinions and the blatant lies of self professed experts.
I researched all the Prophets of GOD from a very young age, I asked questions, I separated the liars from the speculators, the zionists from the Jews from the Children of Israel, I took the time and trouble to seek guidance from GOD, my lord and your and your Lord, the Lord of all the worlds and Islam is exactly what the world needed when it was revealed to Muhammad and exactly as prophesied.

Luke is foretelling of the Prophet will fulfill the Law of Moses by Muhammad, and God has opened our (Muslim) understanding of the Scriptures, again it does not say that Jesus died for your sins it says go and preach repentance HIS Name (GODS name) amongst all nations.

DO not twist the words of the God as given to us by the PIOUS, that is the work of conjectures and liars.

[PeteWaldo]

Should we be surprised that you did not answer as to why Muhammad's "Allah's" revelation to Muhammad is so weak, he would have to force people to continue to follow him, with the threat of murder by execution for "apostasy", for exercising their God-given free will and human right to self-determination, by leaving Islam?

Iran – illegal (death penalty)[13][14][15]
Egypt – illegal (3 years' imprisonment)[15]
Pakistan – illegal (death penalty[15] since 2007)
United Arab Emirates – illegal (3 years' imprisonment, flogging)[16]
Somalia – illegal (death penalty)[17]
Afghanistan – illegal (death penalty, although the U.S. and other coalition members have put pressure that has prevented recent executions)[18][19]
Saudi Arabia – illegal (death penalty, although there have been no recently reported executions)[15][20]
Sudan – illegal (death penalty, although there have only been recent reports of torture, and not of execution)[21][22]
Qatar – illegal (death penalty)[23]
Yemen – illegal (death penalty)[23]
Malaysia – illegal in five of 13 states (fine, imprisonment, and flogging)[24][25]
Mauritania – illegal (death penalty if still apostate after 3 days)[26]
Jordan – possibly illegal (fine, jail, child custody loss, marriage annulment) although officials claim otherwise, convictions are recorded for apostasy[28][29][30]
Oman – legal in criminal code, but according to the family code, a father can lose custody of his child[31]

Death penalty for leaving, is the hallmark of a dangerous cult - like the Mafia.
http://www.falseprophetmuhammad.com/muslim_persecution_of_christians.htm#death_penalty_apostasy

That the false prophet Muhammad's alter-ego "Allah", had to propagate his lies through the murder by the sword, and the threat of death, for 1400 years, as in Muhammad's own day:

Ishaq:462/Tabari VIII:30 "The Jews said, 'We will never abandon the Torah or exchange it for the Qur'an.' Asad said, 'Since you reject this proposal of mine, then kill your children and your wives and go out to Muhammad and his Companions as men who brandish swords, leaving behind no impediments to worry you. If you die, you shall have left nothing behind; if you win you shall find other women and children.' The Jews replied, 'Why would we kill these poor ones? What would be the good of living after them?'"
http://petewaldo.com/banu_qurayza_massacre.htm

[PeteWaldo]

Please begin with the prior post.
http://www.islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=1790.msg15878#msg15878

While you may have been taught to parrot that, you must reject the whole subject of the Gospel, and reject Jesus as a prophet, for His having prophesied His own crucifixion death and resurrection - the WHOLE SUBJECT of the Gospel.

Luke 24:44 And he said unto them, These [are] the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and [in] the prophets, and [in] the psalms, concerning me. 45 Then opened he their understanding, that they might understand the scriptures, 46 And said unto them, Thus it is written, and thus it behoved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day: 47 And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem. 48 And ye are witnesses of these things.
http://www.islamandthetruth.com/the_lamb_slain.htm

No I reject the speculation the inferences , the incorrect translation, the opinions and the blatant lies of self professed experts.

That's why I quoted Jesus, regarding the WHOLE SUBJECT of the Gospel, as the fulfillment of old covenant prophecy.

Do you instead believe that a Muslim can absolve his own sin, through his own shed blood, and even intercede for 70 of his relatives?
http://www.islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=3898.0

I researched all the Prophets of GOD from a very young age, I asked questions, I separated the liars from the speculators, the zionists from the Jews from the Children of Israel,...........

But doesn't it make you wonder when the Ku Klux Klan, Louis Farrakan and his "Nation of Islam", communist Soviets, white supremacists, Nazis, skinheads, and anti-Semites of all stripes join you in anti-Zionism, against Israeli Jews, Israeli Christians and Israeli non-Muslim Arabs?
http://www.islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=2795.0

[PeteWaldo]

Please begin with the initial post in this group.
http://www.islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=1790.msg15878#msg15878

........... I took the time and trouble to seek guidance from GOD, my lord and your and your Lord, the Lord of all the worlds and Islam is exactly what the world needed when it was revealed to Muhammad and exactly as prophesied.

Luke is foretelling of the Prophet will fulfill the Law of Moses by Muhammad, and God has opened our (Muslim) understanding of the Scriptures, .........

Muhammad tried to fool the Quraish into believing the same nonsense, just a little before he beheaded those innocent Jewish farm boys, along with their dads and grandpas, and he and his boys had their way with their little sisters, moms and grandmothers.
The scriptures are not hard to understand if you open your eyes to see. Wishing things were true by parroting the empty words of semi-literate Greek sophist styled entertainers, won't magically make them true, Muj.

John 5:46 For had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed me: for he wrote of me. 47 But if ye believe not his writings, how shall ye believe my words?

And again in Acts 3:22 For Moses truly said unto the fathers, A prophet shall the Lord your God raise up unto you of your brethren, like unto me; him shall ye hear in all things whatsoever he shall say unto you. 23 And it shall come to pass, [that] every soul, which will not hear that prophet, shall be destroyed from among the people.

http://www.islamandthetruth.com/comforter_paraclete.htm
http://www.islamandthetruth.com/islam_in_the_bible.htm#moses_prophecy_muhammad

[PeteWaldo]

Please begin with the initial post in this group.
http://www.islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=1790.msg15878#msg15878

......... again it does not say that Jesus died for your sins ...........

Rom 3:25 Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;

1Jo 2:2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.

Luke 24:44 And he said unto them, These [are] the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and [in] the prophets, and [in] the psalms, concerning me. 45 Then opened he their understanding, that they might understand the scriptures, 46 And said unto them, Thus it is written, and thus it behoved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day: 47 And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem. 48 And ye are witnesses of these things.

You claim to have been raised in the scriptures, yet continue to demonstrate abject ignorance to the WHOLE SUBJECT of the Gospel, Muj. The sin atoning blood of His Son is the very expression and manifestation of the love that God has for us.

John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

Matthew 26:28 For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.

1John 4:7  Beloved, let us love one another: for love is of God; and every one that loveth is born of God, and knoweth God.    8  He that loveth not knoweth not God; for God is love.    9 In this was manifested the love of God toward us, because that God sent his only begotten Son into the world, that we might live through him.    10  Herein is love, not that we loved God, but that he loved us, and sent his Son [to be] the propitiation for our sins.    11  Beloved, if God so loved us, we ought also to love one another.
http://www.falseprophetmuhammad.com/the_love_of_god.htm

Who does Muhammad's "Allah" love?

Quran Surah 61:4 Truly allah loves those who fight in His Cause in battle array, as if they were a solid cemented structure.

You reject the shed blood of the Lamb of God, even while Muslims are taught that the first drop of blood shed by a Muslim so-called "martyr", who dies inadvertently while attacking non-Muslims during imperialistic conquest, can intercede for 70 of his relatives. The reason I asked you to weigh in on that thread is to help you understand Muj. The blood of the sinless Lamb of God, or the blood of an average Joe Muslim murderous attacker, who had his way with the women of the vanquished? Which would you choose Muj?

http://www.islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=3898.0

.......... it says go and preach repentance HIS Name (GODS name) amongst all nations.

[PeteWaldo]

Please begin with the initial post in this group.
http://www.islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=1790.msg15878#msg15878

......... again it does not say that Jesus died for your sins ...........

Rom 3:25 Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;

1Jo 2:2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.

Luke 24:44 And he said unto them, These [are] the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and [in] the prophets, and [in] the psalms, concerning me. 45 Then opened he their understanding, that they might understand the scriptures, 46 And said unto them, Thus it is written, and thus it behoved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day: 47 And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem. 48 And ye are witnesses of these things.

John 1:29 The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.

You claim to have been raised in the scriptures, yet continue to demonstrate abject ignorance to them, along with the WHOLE SUBJECT of the Gospel, Muj. The sin atoning blood of His Son is the very expression and manifestation of the love that God has for us.

John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

Matthew 26:28 For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.

1John 4:7  Beloved, let us love one another: for love is of God; and every one that loveth is born of God, and knoweth God.    8  He that loveth not knoweth not God; for God is love.    9 In this was manifested the love of God toward us, because that God sent his only begotten Son into the world, that we might live through him.    10  Herein is love, not that we loved God, but that he loved us, and sent his Son [to be] the propitiation for our sins.    11  Beloved, if God so loved us, we ought also to love one another.
http://www.falseprophetmuhammad.com/the_love_of_god.htm

Who does Muhammad's "Allah" love?

Quran Surah 61:4 Truly allah loves those who fight in His Cause in battle array, as if they were a solid cemented structure.

You reject the shed blood of the Lamb of God, even while Muslims are taught that the first drop of blood shed by a Muslim so-called "martyr", who dies inadvertently while attacking non-Muslims during imperialistic conquest, qualifies him to intercede for 70 of his relatives. A murderer who dies inadvertently while killing others, who are defending themselves and their homes and their communities, from the murderous imperialistic onslaught of Islamic Jihad.

The reason I asked you to weigh in on that thread is to help you understand Muj. The blood of the sinless Lamb of God who was sent specifically for propitiation of our sins, or the blood of an average Joe Muslim murderous imperialistic soldier, who perhaps had even forced himself on the wife of, the husband he had beheaded earlier?
http://petewaldo.com/banu_qurayza_massacre.htm#farm_boys
Which would you choose as your intercessor Muj?

http://www.islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=3898.0

In other words, the reason that it is impossible for you to understand the martyrdom of Jesus Christ, is because Satan through his messenger Muhammad, forced his followers get it exactly backwards.
Believing that a suicide bomber, who specifically targets and murders innocent men, women and children because of their beliefs, are the martyrs - when it is obvious to civilized people that it is those innocent men, women and children that are the actually the martyrs, having been murdered for their beliefs. For their faith in something other than Muhammad alone.

.......... it says go and preach repentance HIS Name (GODS name) amongst all nations.

Read it again Muj. Did you think you wouldn't get caught partially quoting, to suit your convenience?

47 And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem. 48 And ye are witnesses of these things.

The old covenant saints had only one name through which to worship God - YHWH pronounced Yahweh (though other titles) -  before Jesus ushered in the new covenant.

Mat 28:18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth. 19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

So whose name today during this new covenant?

Mat 18:20 For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them.

Here's why:

Jhn 14:26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

Our ONE mediator and intercessor is Jesus, NOT Muhammad.
http://www.islamandthetruth.com/intercession.htm

[ExMilitary]

And let's not forget that nearly 700 years before Jesus came to earth, the prophet Isaiah declared by the word of God, "Therefore the Lord Himself will give you a sign: Behold, the virgin shall conceive and bear a Son, and shall call His name Immanuel."

Then, as the hearald of God declared to Joseph just prior to Jesus' birth, "Joseph, son of David, do not be afraid to take to you Mary your wife, for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Spirit.  And she will bring forth a Son, and you shall call His name Jesus, for He will save His people from their sins."  So all this was done that it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the Lord through the prophet, saying: “Behold, the virgin shall be with child, and bear a Son, and they shall call His name Immanuel,” which is translated, “God with us.”

[PeteWaldo]

Muj, please begin with the initial post in this group.
http://www.islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=1790.msg15878#msg15878

And let's not forget that nearly 700 years before Jesus came to earth, the prophet Isaiah declared by the word of God, "Therefore the Lord Himself will give you a sign: Behold, the virgin shall conceive and bear a Son, and shall call His name Immanuel."

Then, as the hearald of God declared to Joseph just prior to Jesus' birth, "Joseph, son of David, do not be afraid to take to you Mary your wife, for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Spirit.  And she will bring forth a Son, and you shall call His name Jesus, for He will save His people from their sins."  So all this was done that it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the Lord through the prophet, saying: “Behold, the virgin shall be with child, and bear a Son, and they shall call His name Immanuel,” which is translated, “God with us.”

Indeed bro.
http://www.islamandthetruth.com/isaiah_53.htm

[PeteWaldo]

Muj, I thought of you as I embellished and reorganized this page this morning:
http://www.falseprophetmuhammad.com/blasphemy_laws.htm

[Mujaheed]

Muj, I thought of you as I embellished and reorganized this page this morning:
http://www.falseprophetmuhammad.com/blasphemy_laws.htm

Thank you for the link on your opinion and the opinion of the Scripture writers. I have not found any blasphemy in islam, the Scripture says that God says "Hear Ye O Israel, the Lord your God is one. No where does it state the words "Jesus died for your sins", thats pure conjecture and conclusions dran from inaccurate translations of the opinion of unknown authors of the verses the new Testament.

You do realize that the opinions and the translations of the opinions (and I am judging by: "what is therein") is not only ambitious but subject to interpretation by any Scholar as no standard like the Science of Hadith is in place.

You do realize that the opinions of the what was said by prophet Jesus the Messiah born of Mary (peace be upon them both) was an individual response to a political circumstance that was rapidly changing the political landscape of the time.

The writers therefore needed to construct a set of koine greek writings that would conform to the need of the populace. This cross pollination of cultures Roman, Greek, Jewish, African Egyptian and Arabian, and even Yemeni shaped the words and opinions of the manuscripts you now call the scripture (by the way the biblios and scripture translates as Book and writings in modern day english and it is appropriate titles and it is not the Injeel of God sent to Jesus (peace be upon him.

So the Blasphemy issue (political approach excluded) is a matter of who God is. GOD is ALLAH your lord and my Lord, the Lord of the entire creation.

The LORD your God is ALLAH is one Unique he begets not nor is he begotten, and everything besides this belief is blasphemy.

Any intelligent human being will exclude the behavior of crowds and cultures that may or may not be acting out of self interest or political persuasion when inciting violence or riots, That is not the behavior of an educated muslim. A few thousand deviates does not represent 1.8 billion Muslims. even the few thousand amongst the Hundred Million Muslims in Nigeria does not display popular belief in Nigeria.

Be rational, if that was the popular belief amongst all Muslims there would be no one left that differed with them as there are only about 10% of the population of Nigeria that is not Muslim. It could be Jealousy, hatred, revenge, petty rivalry and disputes that gives rise to family feuds and that media feeds off to blacken Islam just as your frail attempts.

I read all your posts with an open mind and I try to at least see where you coming from, until your unsubstantiated claims backed by weak scripture quotes that are taken out of context and misinterpreted are presented as the Truth.

You have to start with correcting your Belief repeat over and over that "The LORD YOUR GOD IS ONE" as the scripture says, then reread the entire scripture with this in mind and exclude opinions even those of scripture writers, their words may have been altered by over zealous pious unwitting scripture translators.

Thank you

[PeteWaldo]

Do you understand why you are always so afraid to reply to prior posts Muj? Why you always ignore them and fail to respond? It is the light of the truth of the Gospel my friend. It is the Word of God.

Hbr 4:12 For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.

That's why you had to ignore my several requests, to begin with the first reply and work your way down.
http://www.islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=1790.msg15878#msg15878

[Mujaheed]

Do you understand why you are always so afraid to reply to prior posts Muj? Why you always ignore them and fail to respond? It is the light of the truth of the Gospel my friend. It is the Word of God.

Hbr 4:12 For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.

That's why you had to ignore my several requests, to begin with the first reply and work your way down.
http://www.islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=1790.msg15878#msg15878

My apologies Peter, if my enthusiasm and zeal overtakes my etiquette and proper posting manners. I will be more diligent in answering the questions and respond to posts properly as best I can my old habits aside. please forgive me for any transgressions.

[PeteWaldo]

Do you understand why you are always so afraid to reply to prior posts Muj? Why you always ignore them and fail to respond? It is the light of the truth of the Gospel my friend. It is the Word of God.

Hbr 4:12 For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.

That's why you had to ignore my several requests, to begin with the first reply and work your way down.
http://www.islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=1790.msg15878#msg15878

My apologies Peter, if my enthusiasm and zeal overtakes my etiquette and proper posting manners. I will be more diligent in answering the questions and respond to posts properly as best I can my old habits aside. please forgive me for any transgressions.

No problem my friend. I'll look forward to your replies. Particularly since I am looking forward to responding to your prior post.

[Mujaheed]

And let's not forget that nearly 700 years before Jesus came to earth, the prophet Isaiah declared by the word of God, "Therefore the Lord Himself will give you a sign: Behold, the virgin shall conceive and bear a Son, and shall call His name Immanuel."

Then, as the hearald of God declared to Joseph just prior to Jesus' birth, "Joseph, son of David, do not be afraid to take to you Mary your wife, for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Spirit.  And she will bring forth a Son, and you shall call His name Jesus, for He will save His people from their sins."  So all this was done that it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the Lord through the prophet, saying: “Behold, the virgin shall be with child, and bear a Son, and they shall call His name Immanuel,” which is translated, “God with us.”

I dont dispute the Birth of Nabi Eesa, Mesiah born of Mary, the sprit of ALLAH, and that it was foretold probably many times that people did not take heed of as the coming of prophet Muammad was foretold and People did not take heed of it. There were three tribes of Jews waiting for the Comforter in Madina. So they heeded the Scripture.

Scripture is correct in saying "She will bear a son and in hum is a holy spirit meaning that he will save his people (the Jews?) but the Jews rebelled? his people?

[PeteWaldo]

And let's not forget that nearly 700 years before Jesus came to earth, the prophet Isaiah declared by the word of God, "Therefore the Lord Himself will give you a sign: Behold, the virgin shall conceive and bear a Son, and shall call His name Immanuel."

Then, as the hearald of God declared to Joseph just prior to Jesus' birth, "Joseph, son of David, do not be afraid to take to you Mary your wife, for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Spirit.  And she will bring forth a Son, and you shall call His name Jesus, for He will save His people from their sins."  So all this was done that it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the Lord through the prophet, saying: “Behold, the virgin shall be with child, and bear a Son, and they shall call His name Immanuel,” which is translated, “God with us.”

I dont dispute the Birth of Nabi Eesa, Mesiah born of Mary, the sprit of ALLAH, and that it was foretold probably many times............

Jesus was indeed foretold, just as was His purpose, which is the whole subject of the Gospel. Remission of sin through the shed blood of the sinless Messiah, the sacrifice of the Passover Lamb of God.
http://www.islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=3080.0

The most important part of the post that ExMil even highlighted in blue for you.

http://www.islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=3390.0

Isaiah 53:5 But he [was] wounded for our transgressions, [he was] bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace [was] upon him; and with his stripes we are healed.
6 All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the LORD hath laid on him the iniquity of us all.
7 He was oppressed, and he was afflicted, yet he opened not his mouth: he is brought as a lamb to the slaughter.........
12 .....he hath poured out his soul unto death: and he was numbered with the transgressors; and he bare the sin of many, and made intercession for the transgressors.

More Jews are brought to a life in Jesus Christ through that Old Testament passage than perhaps any other.

[PeteWaldo]

........... that people did not take heed of as the coming of prophet Muammad was foretold and People did not take heed of it. There were three tribes of Jews waiting for the Comforter in Madina.

Never realizing that the Comforter - which is the Holy Spirit that was sent in Jesus' name - has been with us ever since Jesus left us. Jesus IN us, and we in Him.

John 14:26 But the Comforter, [which is] the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

Can't you see that's why Satan, through his messenger, fooled you into believing that to pray in Jesus' name, would constitute a sin worse than child rape, or cold-blooded mass murder? Specifically to prevent you from connecting with the Holy Spirit.
http://www.islamandthetruth.com/comforter_paraclete.htm

At least when Muhammad beheaded those innocent, peaceful, faithful, Jewish farm boys in Madina, along with their dads and grandpas, most of them likely went on to be with our great God and Father Yahweh.
http://www.falseprophetmuhammad.com/jesus_or_muhammad.htm
Their little sisters, moms and grandmothers weren't so fortunate.
http://www.falseprophetmuhammad.com/jesus_or_muhammad.htm#captive_abuse

So they heeded the Scripture.

Indeed they did. They knew who to fear, that being YHWH, rather than Muhammad and his alter-ego, the Quraish pagan's deity "Allah":

Ishaq:462/Tabari VIII:30 "The Jews said, 'We will never abandon the Torah or exchange it for the Qur'an.' Asad said, 'Since you reject this proposal of mine, then kill your children and your wives and go out to Muhammad and his Companions as men who brandish swords, leaving behind no impediments to worry you. If you die, you shall have left nothing behind; if you win you shall find other women and children.' The Jews replied, 'Why would we kill these poor ones? What would be the good of living after them?'"

Those peaceful, faithful farmers were more than willing to be martyred, and loose their lives in this world, rather than to be separated from God forever, by following Muhammad and prostrating themselves toward the Quraish pagan's black stone idol in Mecca. Their ancestors and a golden calf had aptly taught them that lesson.

Scripture is correct in saying "She will bear a son and in hum is a holy spirit meaning that he will save his people (the Jews?) but the Jews rebelled? his people?

Jhn 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

There is only one way to believe in Jesus, my friend, and that is to believe in the precious gift of His shed blood, that saves us from dying in sin. The whole subject of the Gospel. Without believing in His shed blood, nothing else you choose to believe about Jesus matters, at all.
http://www.islamandthetruth.com/the_lamb_slain.htm

[Mujaheed]

........... that people did not take heed of as the coming of prophet Muammad was foretold and People did not take heed of it. There were three tribes of Jews waiting for the Comforter in Madina.

Never realizing that the Comforter - which is the Holy Spirit that was sent in Jesus' name - has been with us ever since Jesus left us. Jesus IN us, and we in Him.

John 14:26 But the Comforter, [which is] the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

Can't you see that's why Satan, through his messenger, fooled you into believing that to pray in Jesus' name, would constitute a sin worse than child rape, or cold-blooded mass murder? Specifically to prevent you from connecting with the Holy Spirit.
http://www.islamandthetruth.com/comforter_paraclete.htm

At least when Muhammad beheaded those innocent, peaceful, faithful, Jewish farm boys in Madina, along with their dads and grandpas, most of them likely went on to be with our great God and Father Yahweh.
http://www.falseprophetmuhammad.com/jesus_or_muhammad.htm
Their little sisters, moms and grandmothers weren't so fortunate.
http://www.falseprophetmuhammad.com/jesus_or_muhammad.htm#captive_abuse

So they heeded the Scripture.

Indeed they did. They knew who to fear, that being YHWH, rather than Muhammad and his alter-ego, the Quraish pagan's deity "Allah":

Ishaq:462/Tabari VIII:30 "The Jews said, 'We will never abandon the Torah or exchange it for the Qur'an.' Asad said, 'Since you reject this proposal of mine, then kill your children and your wives and go out to Muhammad and his Companions as men who brandish swords, leaving behind no impediments to worry you. If you die, you shall have left nothing behind; if you win you shall find other women and children.' The Jews replied, 'Why would we kill these poor ones? What would be the good of living after them?'"

Those peaceful, faithful farmers were more than willing to be martyred, and loose their lives in this world, rather than to be separated from God forever, by following Muhammad and prostrating themselves toward the Quraish pagan's black stone idol in Mecca. Their ancestors and a golden calf had aptly taught them that lesson.

Scripture is correct in saying "She will bear a son and in hum is a holy spirit meaning that he will save his people (the Jews?) but the Jews rebelled? his people?

Jhn 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

There is only one way to believe in Jesus, my friend, and that is to believe in the precious gift of His shed blood, that saves us from dying in sin. The whole subject of the Gospel. Without believing in His shed blood, nothing else you choose to believe about Jesus matters, at all.
http://www.islamandthetruth.com/the_lamb_slain.htm

In order to follow what you believe I would have to reject, Hear Ye O Children of Israel The Lord your God Is one?

[ExMilitary]

In order to follow what you believe I would have to reject, Hear Ye O Children of Israel The Lord your God Is one?

Mujaheed, did God speak the world into existence?

What if God was so great that he could, with his words, say something, and it was so?  Do you believe that?

What if God was so great that by the Spirit of his word, he could speak one man into existence?

What if God, by his great word, could indwell a man with his word?  Do you think God could not do something like that?

What if God's word (his speech) WAS a man AND the spirit in that man?  (Just like the 'first Adam' who was made alive by God's word)

What if Jesus was God's actual speech... when God's "mouth" moves and his words come out, it causes something very real and very physical to happen (like creation).  What if God sent his word to earth to save mankind from their sin?  What if God promised (by his words) an atoning blood sacrifice that would end all sacrifices.  And then, by his word, that was accomplished.  What if God allowed the outworking of his speech to be placed on a cross and then PROVED his word was ALIVE by defeating death and bringing his words out of the grave?  Do you think God is greater than Death?

That is Jesus.  He is literally the word of God.  God's speech.  His action.  When God wills something good we see it come out through his words.  That is why John says that through Jesus (God's word) everything was created.

God desires to save you, Muj, by his spoken Word... Jesus.  Not by your works.  Because only God's Word has life.  Your works do not have life.  Your works have no speech that can create, your works have nothing that can impart life.  To deny Jesus is to deny the very words of God... that is why the scriptures say that when you reject Jesus, you reject God's promise of life.  Because his word is life.

Muj, if you poured out your very soul to write a love letter to someone, and they took your words at face value, would they have a picture of you?  Could they show what you wrote to someone else and say, "here is a picture of Muj."  Jesus is God just as much as your words are you.  Can you really separate you from your word?  Are your words not your heart and soul?  Are your words not the way you impart love to those around you?

Tell me, Muj, in a legal transaction that is binding, what is required, a promise by your word, or just your mere presence?  If you offered a wordless contract to someone they would laugh at you because, it would be worthless.  The words in a contract bind your very being to the transaction.

Can you really separate God from his word?  It is by his word that we know how to worship him.  When you worship him according to his word, are you assigning a partner to God?  No?  Jesus is God's word, we worship God by his begotten word.

[PeteWaldo]

........... that people did not take heed of as the coming of prophet Muammad was foretold and People did not take heed of it. There were three tribes of Jews waiting for the Comforter in Madina.

Never realizing that the Comforter - which is the Holy Spirit that was sent in Jesus' name - has been with us ever since Jesus left us. Jesus IN us, and we in Him.

John 14:26 But the Comforter, [which is] the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

Can't you see that's why Satan, through his messenger, fooled you into believing that to pray in Jesus' name, would constitute a sin worse than child rape, or cold-blooded mass murder? Specifically to prevent you from connecting with the Holy Spirit.
http://www.islamandthetruth.com/comforter_paraclete.htm

At least when Muhammad beheaded those innocent, peaceful, faithful, Jewish farm boys in Madina, along with their dads and grandpas, most of them likely went on to be with our great God and Father Yahweh.
http://www.falseprophetmuhammad.com/jesus_or_muhammad.htm
Their little sisters, moms and grandmothers weren't so fortunate.
http://www.falseprophetmuhammad.com/jesus_or_muhammad.htm#captive_abuse

So they heeded the Scripture.

Indeed they did. They knew who to fear, that being YHWH, rather than Muhammad and his alter-ego, the Quraish pagan's deity "Allah":

Ishaq:462/Tabari VIII:30 "The Jews said, 'We will never abandon the Torah or exchange it for the Qur'an.' Asad said, 'Since you reject this proposal of mine, then kill your children and your wives and go out to Muhammad and his Companions as men who brandish swords, leaving behind no impediments to worry you. If you die, you shall have left nothing behind; if you win you shall find other women and children.' The Jews replied, 'Why would we kill these poor ones? What would be the good of living after them?'"

Those peaceful, faithful farmers were more than willing to be martyred, and loose their lives in this world, rather than to be separated from God forever, by following Muhammad and prostrating themselves toward the Quraish pagan's black stone idol in Mecca. Their ancestors and a golden calf had aptly taught them that lesson.

Scripture is correct in saying "She will bear a son and in hum is a holy spirit meaning that he will save his people (the Jews?) but the Jews rebelled? his people?

Jhn 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

There is only one way to believe in Jesus, my friend, and that is to believe in the precious gift of His shed blood, that saves us from dying in sin. The whole subject of the Gospel. Without believing in His shed blood, nothing else you choose to believe about Jesus matters, at all.
http://www.islamandthetruth.com/the_lamb_slain.htm

In order to follow what you believe I would have to reject, Hear Ye O Children of Israel The Lord your God Is one?

Of course not Muj. God IS ONE. Just as the Gospel teaches:

Mark 12:29 ... The Lord our God is one Lord: ... 32 ... for there is one God; and there is none other but he:

Jesus Christ is the way YHWH chose to manifest, that is reveal, Himself to mankind. The same way God revealed Himself to Abraham - in the form of a man:

Genesis 18:1 And the LORD appeared unto him in the plains of Mamre: and he sat in the tent door in the heat of the day;
Please note the verses that follow at this link:
http://www.islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=2358.0

This is how His revelation in the Gospel closes:

Mat 28:18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth. 19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: 20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.

God gave you the free will to reject Him or to ask Him to come into your heart and life, through the way He chose to manifest Himself to the world. However the most important thing - without which nothing else you believe about God matters - is that you understand that Jesus Christ was manifest to the world with one purpose; to save us all from sin through faith in the blood that He shed for us all. That needs to be your focus Muj - the WHOLE SUBJECT of the Gospel.
http://www.islamandthetruth.com/the_lamb_slain.htm

Jhn 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

That WAY does not include prostrating yourself to the Quraish pagan's black stone idol in Mecca five times a day. And even worse, squandering money that you could otherwise be giving to the poor, to travel to Mecca and march around the Quraish's black stone idol, the way the Arabian pagans did before Muhammad was ever born. In a town that did not exist prior to the 4th century AD, even according to Muslim Eastern History teachers.
http://www.islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=2859.0

Muhammad even has his followers so turned around, that they actually believe that if they shed their own blood, while in the act of killing others, that they receive forgiveness for their owns sins.

http://www.falseprophetmuhammad.com/jihad_islamic_terrorism.htm
Sahih Muslim B 20 #4681 The tradition has been narrated on the authority of 'Abdullah b. Qais. He heard it from his father who, while facing the enemy, reported that the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) said: Surely, the gates of paradise are under the shadows of the swords. A man in a shabby condition got up and said; Abu Musa, did you hear the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) say this? He said: Yes. (The narrator said): He returned to his friends and said: I greet you (a farewell greeting). Then he broke the sheath of his sword, threw it away, advanced with his (naked) sword towards the enemy and fought (them) with it until he was slain. (also B 19 #4314)
http://www.islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=3898.0

Do you really believe that any sort of good God would reveal Himself through a man responsible for beheading innocent Jewish farm boys, and other such cruelty and evil?
http://www.falseprophetmuhammad.com/jesus_or_muhammad.htm

The question for Muhammad's followers is not whether an intercessor, but which intercessor, you want to trust your eternal life to.
http://www.islamandthetruth.com/intercession.htm

Regarding your repeated blasphemous claims against the Scriptures, of "corruption":
http://www.falseprophetmuhammad.com/index.htm#bible_corruption

[Mujaheed]

Your view of Nabi Eesa masih born of Mary is nothing but conjecture and speculation it is not from the Injeel of Nabi Eesa nor the Torah of Nabi moods nor the Zabayr of Nabi Dawood.  It has no authority or authenticity. The opinions of unknown scribes deviated mankind from the worship of Allah.

Jesus is a Muslim just like all the prophets are Muslim. Ex Mil I hav heard that version of Jesus since I was 8 years old and it is not in the least plausible as billions of people have already proven that it is nothing but the political rantings of the Nicean Council. It has no bearing on the truth of the prophets.

Who wrote it? We don't know. Who translated Gods words and interpreted it for the world? We don't know the name of the author

Did Jesus give anyone permission to write a Gospel. Least of which Paul or Saul of Tarsus. I don't believe that the desciples or Paul was deviated I believe that the the deviation occurred with the advent of the Nicean council that debated the ver words you wrote for a long time before a body of hand picked clergy voted on the divinity thus distorting interpretations of the scripture. Thus all scripture was written in the doctrine of the Nicean council. Everything else was rejected and burnt.

 That is the very reason Prophet Muhammad as sent to save mankind from the dark ages created by the deviant ores.  Read the history following the ascension of Jesus peace be upon him. You find that the world was rapidly moving towards a very dark period.

[PeteWaldo]

Your view of Nabi Eesa masih born of Mary is nothing but conjecture and speculation it is not from the Injeel of Nabi Eesa nor the Torah of Nabi moods nor the Zabayr of Nabi Dawood.  It has no authority or authenticity. The opinions of unknown scribes deviated mankind from the worship of Allah.

Jesus is a Muslim just like all the prophets are Muslim. Ex Mil I hav heard that version of Jesus since I was 8 years old and it is not in the least plausible as billions of people have already proven that it is nothing but the political rantings of the Nicean Council. It has no bearing on the truth of the prophets.

http://www.islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=3910.0

Who wrote it? We don't know. Who translated Gods words and interpreted it for the world? We don't know the name of the author

Rather than idling asking questions, why don't you spend a little time investigating the subject? Try some of videos:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KIAkxB-EH5E
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i8cY3T-SCTk
http://www.falseprophetmuhammad.com/#bible_corruption

Did Jesus give anyone permission to write a Gospel. Least of which Paul or Saul of Tarsus. I don't believe that the desciples or Paul was deviated I believe that the the deviation occurred with the advent of the Nicean council that debated the ver words you wrote for a long time before a body of hand picked clergy voted on the divinity thus distorting interpretations of the scripture. Thus all scripture was written in the doctrine of the Nicean council. Everything else was rejected and burnt.

 That is the very reason Prophet Muhammad as sent to save mankind from the dark ages created by the deviant ores.  Read the history following the ascension of Jesus peace be upon him. You find that the world was rapidly moving towards a very dark period.

Your rejecting of the Holy Scriptures is the whole point Muj. You must reject all of the prophets and witnesses as revealed in the 1600 year record of revelation of YHWH to mankind - and reject the WHOLE SUBJECT of the Gospel - because you follow Muhammad alone. So don't delude yourself, or try to fool others, into believing that you worship anyone other than Muhammad"s reprobate and self-serving alter-ego "Allah", alone.

Simply further casually blaspheming the scriptures, so you can continue to follow Muhammad alone, did not answer to a single point in the post Muj. Let alone that your claims suggest your own "messenger" was a foolish liar about the Bible, according to you:
http://www.islamandthetruth.com/

I'll repost the points individually. Please respond in order.

[PeteWaldo]

In order to follow what you believe I would have to reject, Hear Ye O Children of Israel The Lord your God Is one?

Of course not Muj. God IS ONE. Just as the Gospel teaches:

Mark 12:29 ... The Lord our God is one Lord: ... 32 ... for there is one God; and there is none other but he:

Jesus Christ is the way YHWH chose to manifest, that is reveal, Himself to mankind. The same way God revealed Himself to Abraham - in the form of a man:

Genesis 18:1 And the LORD appeared unto him in the plains of Mamre: and he sat in the tent door in the heat of the day;
Please note the verses that follow at this link:
http://www.islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=2358.0

[PeteWaldo]

This is how His revelation in the Gospel closes:

Mat 28:18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth. 19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: 20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.

God gave you the free will to reject Him or to ask Him to come into your heart and life, through the way He chose to manifest Himself to the world. However the most important thing - without which nothing else you believe about God matters - is that you understand that Jesus Christ was manifest to the world with one purpose; to save us all from sin through faith in the blood that He shed for us all. That needs to be your focus Muj - the WHOLE SUBJECT of the Gospel.
http://www.islamandthetruth.com/the_lamb_slain.htm

Jhn 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

That WAY does not include prostrating yourself to the Quraish pagan's black stone idol in Mecca five times a day. And even worse, squandering money that you could otherwise be giving to the poor, to travel to Mecca and march around the Quraish's black stone idol, the way the Arabian pagans did before Muhammad was ever born. In a town that did not exist prior to the 4th century AD, even according to Muslim Eastern History teachers.
http://www.islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=2859.0

[PeteWaldo]

Muhammad even has his followers so turned around, that they actually believe that if they shed their own blood, while in the act of killing others, that they receive forgiveness for their owns sins.

http://www.falseprophetmuhammad.com/jihad_islamic_terrorism.htm
Sahih Muslim B 20 #4681 The tradition has been narrated on the authority of 'Abdullah b. Qais. He heard it from his father who, while facing the enemy, reported that the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) said: Surely, the gates of paradise are under the shadows of the swords. A man in a shabby condition got up and said; Abu Musa, did you hear the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) say this? He said: Yes. (The narrator said): He returned to his friends and said: I greet you (a farewell greeting). Then he broke the sheath of his sword, threw it away, advanced with his (naked) sword towards the enemy and fought (them) with it until he was slain. (also B 19 #4314)
http://www.islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=3898.0

Do you really believe that any sort of good God would reveal Himself through a man responsible for beheading innocent Jewish farm boys, and other such cruelty and evil?
http://www.falseprophetmuhammad.com/jesus_or_muhammad.htm

[PeteWaldo]

Scripture is correct in saying "She will bear a son and in hum is a holy spirit meaning that he will save his people (the Jews?) but the Jews rebelled? his people?

Jhn 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

There is only one way to believe in Jesus, my friend, and that is to believe in the precious gift of His shed blood, that saves us from dying in sin. The whole subject of the Gospel. Without believing in His shed blood, nothing else you choose to believe about Jesus matters, at all.
http://www.islamandthetruth.com/the_lamb_slain.htm