[[[[I'm not interested of taking this conversation to another level. Especially one where I become on the defensive with accusations pouring in and I'm just typing away trying to keep up with someone who's made a career of bashing Islam.]]]]]
It is Mohammed's stand-alone 7th century religion that bashes itself, through your own books.
[[[[[ The point that I talked about which you didn't reply to was how do you feel justified pointing the finger at Islam with all the atrocities in the Bible, ........]]]]]
There are some very harsh lessons regarding disobedience to God detailed in the Old Testament, through accounts of one-time historical events. Many are purely accounts of historical events, that do not indicate God's tacit approval or disapproval. A few are passages are metaphorical. About 1/3 of Scripture is prophecy.
Why don't you explain to me where God INSTRUCTS His people to follow RULES REQUIRING imperialistic conquest against others? Such as the ungodly - indeed black-hearted reprobate Satanic violence - of Mohammed and the Roman Church, for two examples.
"By Mohammed's day, 1,500 years had passed since any Hebrew prophet was described in the Old Testament as using a sword in the service of God. Neither Jeremiah, Ezekiel, Daniel, Micah, Amos, Malachi nor any other later Hebrew prophet is described as using the sword or prescribing its use."
If you would like to discuss those historical accounts individually I will try to help though I am not as well versed, and a genuinely faithful Jew would be a much better choice.
Muslims often point out that children were killed - because Islam is of the flesh - so their eyes don't see well past this world, and even when they try to look past this world they see a carnal heaven of flesh and fornication.
But all innocent people who died or were killed throughout history are with the Lord.
Where would those babies be, if they had grown up to be idol worshipers who sacrificed their children to idols like their parents, for example?
It's important to understand that it was mankind that changed from our little more than desert dwelling nomad stage, to the quite sophisticated societies of the first century (Google - antikythera mechanism - for an eyepopper), when the revelation of God's record to mankind through His prophets and witnesses was brought to a close.
You don't seem to think that punishment for disobedience to God by following a stand-alone 7th century false prophet that WAS and taught the EXACT OPPOSITE of Jesus Christ, the Messiah, apply to you. Those Old Testament lessons are lost on you.
But you will no longer be able to plead ignorance when you stand in judgment before our Creator, because you not only reject YHWH of the Jews and Christians, but in your case continue to blaspheme His record. And follow a false prophet that even orders his phony "Allah's" curse on us. You will no longer be judged according to innocence, but will be held fully accountable because you reject God in full knowledge.
2Peter 2:21 For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known [it], to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them. 22 But it is happened unto them according to the true proverb, The dog [is] turned to his own vomit again; and the sow that was washed to her wallowing in the mire.
[[[[....... and most particularly the OT. ]]]]]
Not most particularly, since there IS NO example in the Gospel. The most violent thing that Jesus did was overturn the tables of the moneychangers at the temple.
[[[[[If you were interested to discuss theology I would gladly discuss it in any venue.]]]]
Let's go to the forum start with the basis as to HOW to view God's revelation to mankind, since Hebrew/Christian and Muslim scholars understand our respective books to be God revealing Himself in a progression, or increasingly, to mankind.
Indeed Mohammed declared it in one of his revelation.
The primary difference is that the progressive nature of Mohammed's "revelation" runs in the exact opposite direction of the God of the Jews and Christians. That is, from more peaceful, to the final revelations that call his followers to violence.
[[[[[ Accusations however, from a person who believes in a holy book like the Bible ......]]]]]
Sure. God's people had it all wrong for 1500 years, until A SINGLE "prophet" came along 500 years after the Scriptures were closed, to contradict all of the prophets and witnesses of God's 1600 year record. A "prophet" who never had a fulfilled prophecy, who never performed a single miracle, who not a single person ever heard his "Allah" or Gabriel give a revelation to. A "prophet" who WAS and taught the EXACT OPPOSITE of Jesus Christ
[[[[[...... is not something I'm interested in.]]]]]
You can't afford to be interested in Scripture, while following Mohammed too. One quickly learns that ONE MUST CHOOSE, rather than pretending that Mohammed's STAND-ALONE religion has anything to do with the God of the Jews and Christians. I attached a video in an effort to spark your interest, in something that the church can't even see, because of unsound eschatology. Maybe you can see where they can't.
You're not interested because you never tried to understand the Bible. Nor can you expect to understand the things of the Spirit of God until you repent and ask Jesus to come into your life and help you with it.
1Cr 2:14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know [them], because they are spiritually discerned.
I just want to make it clear that Mohammed's STAND-ALONE religion has nothing to do with the God of the Jews and Christians, which you already know, since you realize you have to reject ALL of the prophets and witnesses of God as revealed in His 1600 year record.
[[[[[ It's hypocrisy to say the least. Nothing you can throw at the prophet of Islam in terms of "suspect morality" hasn't already been topped by something in the Bible.]]]]]
Why not begin by showing me which prophet of the Bible engaged in the rape of female prisoners, and then from where in the Bible Mohammed received instructions to rape prisoners, 1500 years after those types of Old Testament HISTORICAL ACCOUNTS, at the beginnings of God's revelation to mankind, ended.
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=456.0http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zdi8PzPWrb8
