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Conversation with Muslim mat11een
« on: January 02, 2009, 10:38:03 AM »
Muslim m wrote:

peace be unto you ...
thanks for your reply. we can discuss this in any of my uploaded videos about Jesus if this is OK with you. please let me know about it..
you said Islam is The PERFECT OPPOSITE of Christianity. LETS SEE
word Islam mean submission in English. submission to who ?? submission to one and only God. Any thing or a person who submits his will to the will and plan of God is called Muslim in Arabic. Islam teaches that All the prophets including Jesus Christ were Muslims because they all submitted their will to the will of God. Islam teaches that Jesus Christ was born without human father, God chose his mother above the women of all nations QURAN CH 3 ,Mary was virgin when she gave birth to Jesus Christ, Jesus was messiah translated Christ, he gave life to death by God permission, he cured blind and others by God permission.Islam teaches that he was one of the mighty messenger of God.
1 we say Jesus Christ was not God incarnate.
2 Jesus is not the begotten son of GOD because God does not beget .
3 He was not crucified because according to your own bible in old testament hanging on the tree or crucifixion is a cursed of God. what we believe that God does not allow his reichious person to be crucifix ted that what the Jews believed at the time of JESUS that why u read again and again in the new testament that when pilot asked the priests about Jesus (that what must he do to him) they All said in one voice Crucify him.That was the test because if he get crucify he is not the man of God and that what they all wanted to prove to those who believed in Jesus.
through the Prophet Muhammad We are told that Jesus Christ prayed to God. God answered his prayers and saved him and took him alive in the heavens. we believe that he ill come before the day of judgment.
You said at the end that God is the father of Jesus and you post the video.i watched that video and read all the verses in which the word Father and Son is used again and again.Now i would like to ask a simple question to you that How many sons does God has in the Bible.??? IS Jesus the only son of God in the bible.?????
thanks for your time peace be unto you,

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Re: Mus m
« Reply #1 on: January 02, 2009, 11:10:47 AM »
Muslim mar wrote:

peace be unto you ...
thanks for your reply. we can discuss this in any of my uploaded videos about Jesus if this is OK with you. please let me know about it..

Even as you say you want to discuss it on your videos, that are limited to 500 characters, with no html, you punctuate your request by sending this big PM.

I did and will continue to comment on the videos, but surely you can see how superior this venue is.

you said Islam is The PERFECT OPPOSITE of Christianity. LETS SEE
word Islam mean submission in English. submission to who ?? submission to one and only God.

Christians and Jews are submitted to God. Muslims have been deluded into believing they are:

2Thes 2:8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming: 9 [EVEN HIM],WHOSE COMING IS AFTER THE WORKING OF SATAN with all power and signs and lying wonders, 10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because THEY RECEIVED NOT THE LOVE OF THE TRUTH, that they might be saved. 11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, THAT THEY SHOULD BELIEVE A LIE: 12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

Any thing or a person who submits his will to the will and plan of God is called Muslim in Arabic. Islam teaches that All the prophets including Jesus Christ were Muslims because they all submitted their will to the will of God.

But Muslims must reject ALL of the New Testament prophets and the WHOLE SUBJECT of the NT to follow a 6th century false prophet. Must blaspheme God and the 1600 year record of God to mankind. The OPPOSITE.

1Jo 5:10 He that BELIEVETH ON THE SON OF GOD hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not GOD HATH MADE HIM A LIAR; because he BELIEVETH NOT THE RECORD THAT GOD GAVE OF HIS SON.

Islam teaches that Jesus Christ was born without human father,....

Which is, naturally, contrary to 234 verses in the Word of God. 80 or so of which are Jesus' own declaration. Again the OPPOSITE.
http://www.islamandthetruth.com/god_the_father.htm

..... God chose his mother above the women of all nations QURAN CH 3 ,Mary was virgin when she gave birth to Jesus Christ, Jesus was messiah translated Christ, ...

Old Testament or New. OT prophecy:

Isaiah 9:6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

....he gave life to death by God permission, he cured blind and others by God permission.Islam teaches that he was one of the mighty messenger of God.

And thereby blasphemes Him by denying His blood and His Sonship.

Mat 26:28 For this is MY BLOOD of the new testament, which is SHED FOR MANY for the remission of sins.

Hebrews 10:29 Of HOW MUCH SORER PUNISHMENT, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, WHO HATH TRODDEN UNDER FOOT THE SON OF GOD, and HATH COUNTED THE BLOOD OF THE COVENANT, wherewith he was sanctified, AN UNHOLY THING, and hath DONE DESPITE UNTO THE SPIRIT OF GRACE?

1 we say Jesus Christ was not God incarnate.

Naturally. The opposite.

John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.   2  The same was in the beginning with God.    3  All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.    4  In him was life; and the life was the light of men.    5  And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.
14  And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.


John 8:58 Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, BEFORE ABRAHAM WAS, I AM. 59 Then took they up stones to cast at him:

John 10:30 I AND [MY] FATHER ARE ONE. 31 Then the Jews took up stones again to stone him.

Just as Islam picks up those stones today.

2 Jesus is not the begotten son of GOD because God does not beget .

Again exactly the oppisite of the verses that declare Him so.

http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=55.0

From John's first epistle that Deedat claimed supports Mohammed:

1 John 5:1 Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: and every one that loveth him that begat loveth him also that is begotten of him.

You can't love God my friend, as long as you deny His Son our savior.

him that begat
New Testament Greek Definition:
1080 gennao {ghen-nah'-o}
from a variation of 1085; TDNT - 1:665,114; v
AV - begat 49, be born 39, bear 2, gender 2, bring forth 1,
be delivered 1, misc 3; 97
1) of men who fathered children
1a) to be born
1b) to be begotten
1b1) of women giving birth to children
2) metaph.
2a) to engender, cause to arise, excite
2b) in a Jewish sense, of one who brings others over to his
way of life, to convert someone
2c) of God making Christ his son
2d) of God making men his sons through faith in Christ's work

Secular definition:
begat:

1. To father; sire.
2. To cause to exist or occur; produce: Violence begets more violence.

If God didn't beget Jesus, then who made Jesus manifest, or revealed to us, on earth?
How did Mary become pregnant with Jesus Christ?

3 He was not crucified because according to your own bible in old testament hanging on the tree or crucifixion is a cursed of God.

This is THE GREATEST OPPOSITE OF ISLAM. Denying the blood that would save you. Denying the WHOLE SUBJECT of the new Testament and Old Testament prophecy:

Psalms 22:16      For dogs have compassed me: the assembly of the wicked have inclosed me: they pierced my hands and my feet.

Psalms 22:18 They part my garments among them, and cast lots upon my vesture.

http://www.islamandthetruth.com/the_lamb_slain.htm

http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=54.0

what we believe that God does not allow his reichious person to be crucifix ted that what the Jews believed at the time of JESUS that why u read again and again in the new testament that when pilot asked the priests about Jesus (that what must he do to him) they All said in one voice Crucify him.

They did that for the same reason you just crucified Him all over again:

John 19:7 The Jews answered him, We have a law, and by our law he ought to die, because he made himself THE SON OF GOD.

That was the test because if he get crucify he is not the man of God and that what they all wanted to prove to those who believed in Jesus.
through the Prophet Muhammad We are told that Jesus Christ prayed to God.

Jesus was manifest in the flesh to provide the perfect example to us.

God answered his prayers and saved him and took him alive in the heavens.

What you mean is that 5 centuries later, Mohammed denied ALL of the eye witnesses:

Mark 15:39 And when the centurion, which stood over against him, saw that he so cried out, and GAVE UP THE GHOST, he said, Truly this man was the Son of God.
Luke 23:46 And when Jesus had cried with a loud voice, he said, Father, into thy hands I commend my spirit: and having said thus, he GAVE UP THE GHOST.
John 19:30 When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, It is finished: and he bowed his head, and GAVE UP THE GHOST.

we believe that he ill come before the day of judgment.

He will be our judge:

Jhn 5:22 For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son:

What will He say to you?

1 John 2:22  Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? HE IS ANTICHRIST, THAT DENIETH the Father and THE SON. 23 WHOSOEVER DENIETH THE SON, THE SAME HATH NOT THE FATHER: [(but) he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also].

You said at the end that God is the father of Jesus and you post the video.i watched that video and read all the verses in which the word Father and Son is used again and again.Now i would like to ask a simple question to you that How many sons does God has in the Bible.??? IS Jesus the only son of God in the bible.?????
thanks for your time peace be unto you,

All who follow God are Sons of God. But as the bible says, there is only ONE SON, that God begat.

This will help:

http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=56.0

Do you see why the 500 character drive-by bits on YouTube are impossible to use?
You can see from the volume of blue above that these aren't my words or opinions, but come from the Word of God.
Yours come from A SINGLE 6th century false prophet that was the opposite of Jesus, and whose book is the opposite of the Word of God:
http://www.beholdthebeast.com/islam_the_opposite.htm

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Re: Mus m
« Reply #2 on: January 03, 2009, 10:40:46 AM »
Welcome to the forum mat11een!
Don't worry about anyone piling on.
I will keep this conversation between just you and I for as long as it is active.

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Re: Conversation with Muslim mat11een
« Reply #3 on: January 05, 2009, 10:48:16 AM »
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PqsqnUVcICI

brotherjw (3 days ago)

The video starts with an antichrist suggestion that Jesus had no father.
watch?v=geGTBo2X3sY

Then fails to understand that Jesus was manifest in the flesh, to be the perfect example for all mankind, and spoke as a man in the flesh.

Yes. Eternal life:
1Jo 5:12 He that hath the Son hath life; [and] HE THAT HATH NOT THE SON OF GOD HATH NOT LIFE.

Indeed, just as Mark said Christians worship ONE God, and love our neighbors. Mohammed prohibited Muslims from even being friends with kuffar.

mat11een (2 days ago)

peace be unto you brotherjw
i would like to ask you a question that how many son's does GOD has in the bible. let me tell you that in the language of the bible every righteous person who follow the will and plan of God is called the Son of GOD.this term is used commonly among the Jews.

ADAM son of God (Luke 3:38)
Israel son of God(exodus 4:22)
David son of God (psalms 31:9)
peoples who make peace are sons of God(Matthew 5:9)
God the father of common people(GEN 6:2&4)

brotherjw (2 days ago)

Those that follow God are called "sons of God" or "a son of God" - not "the".

There is only ONE uniquely created THE Son of God, which you would agree with. The only person in world history born of a virgin by the will of God.
Obviously THE Son of God but those in Mohammedan Islam must deny it and call Him fatherless.

This verse will help put things into perspective:

Gal 4:6 And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father.
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brotherjw (3 days ago)

Indeed Jesus provided that ONE sacrifice to save us from our sins.

You wrote: "As long as He was walking on earth He was the way, the truth and the life"
Jesus still IS the truth.
You created a blasphemous exegesis because Mohammedanism requires it.

You even quote verses indicating that God is Jesus Father after beginning the video by calling Him fatherless.

The reason you are lost in confusion is because the spirit of antichrist has inverted what is true, with a lie.

I'll pray for you.

mat11een (2 days ago)

first of All i don't know where u get this Term Mohammedanism??? In Islam there is no such thing as Mohammedanism!!!! Islam is not a new religion and Prophet Muhammad(pbuh)was not the founder of Islam,But he was the Last and final messenger of GOD.According to Islam all the prophets from Adam to prophet Muhammad(peace be upon all of them)were Muslims(those who submit their will to the will of God)and their religion was ISLAM (submission to one and only GOD.
please watch the video carefully.

brotherjw (2 days ago)

Mohammed was THE OPPOSITE of a messenger of God. Mohammed and His followers ARE ANTICHRIST.

Christians and Jews are submitted to God. Muslims have been deluded by satan and the false prophet Mohammed into believing they are submitted to God. You follow Mohammed. Islam THE EXACT OPPOSITE of Christianity, as Mohammed was THE EXACT OPPOSITE of Jesus.

The most violent thing Jesus did was overturn the tables of the moneychangers.
How can you not see that?
beholdthebeast. com/islam_the_opposite. htm

brotherjw (2 days ago)

It isn't about any claim that I make. It's about the record that God gave us:

1John 2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? HE IS ANTICHRIST, THAT DENIETH the Father and THE SON. 23 WHOSOEVER DENIETH THE SON, THE SAME HATH NOT THE FATHER:...

1Jo 5:10 He that BELIEVETH ON THE SON OF GOD hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not GOD HATH MADE HIM A LIAR; because he BELIEVETH NOT THE RECORD THAT GOD GAVE OF HIS SON.

What does that make Mohammed and Muslims?

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mat11een (2 days ago)

Peace be with you.Muhammad and His followers ARE ANTICHRIST?? Muslims are the only non christian faith who bilieve that Jesus was born without human father,he was Messiah(Christ),He gave life to death,made blinds to see,cured people,and showed many miracles by God permission.Jesus was the word and spirit from God.IF prophet Muhammad didn't tell us to believe in Jesus we would never

brotherjw (1 day ago)

What do verses above say about denying the Son of God?
What does John's First Epistle that Deedat claimed supports Mohammed say?
watch?v=YDslsWDzPIc

Jesus IS the Word:
John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

But you blaspheme Jesus by saying a spirit proceeded from Him. He arose in the flesh.

mat11een (22 hours ago)

can u explain ?? word=Jesus John 1:1 In the beginning was the JESUS,and the Jesus was with God,and the jesus was God "himself".confused??? ok 2ndly by quoting this verse you suggesting that there were 2 Gods from the beginning RIGHT?? that's mean prophet"Moses" lied in Duet6:4 and Jesus lied in Mark 12:29.Also these verses about oneness of God Exodus 20:3,duet 5:7,Isaiah 43:11, Isaiah 45:22, Matthew 4:10,Mark 12:32 and john 17:3 all were lies if Jesus was God???open your eyes Christians.

brotherjw (18 minutes ago)

Only ONE God my friend:

1Jo 5:7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and THESE THREE ARE ONE.

And yes. Coexistent - ONE - from before the world was:

John 17:5 And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.

Nobody lying. ONE God.

Since you believe that God has a Spirit does this mean you believe in two Gods, or are you just a hypocrite?
watch?v=yRE1mg9j3Xo

mat11een (21 hours ago)

you christian are program to believe that jesus is GOd you know WHY??? because you also believe that he died on the cross for your sins so you must have to believe that he died as a God because if he died as a man it is impossible to carry the sins of the world but if he died as a God than its ok because God can do anything.Actually you Christians don't want to be Judge for your deeds so you must need someone who paid in advance.please open your eyes and remember you all will be judge.

brotherjw (10 minutes ago)

The why is because Jesus declared it:

John 8:58 Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, BEFORE ABRAHAM WAS, I AM. 59 Then took they up stones to cast at him:

That's why they wanted to stone Him and crucified Him.

It seems that perhaps you got a warped impression of what a Christian is by posers, or wish-they-weres.
This video will help you understand what a Christian is, not what liars say we are:
watch?v=UZ_26AE0G_8

brotherjw (8 minutes ago)

This is what our bible says:

1Cr 6:9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, 10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God. 11 And such WERE some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.


brotherjw (4 seconds ago)

By the way, sorry I missed this. Mohammed and his followers aren't antichrist because I say they are, but because of what God's Word says:

1 John 2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? HE IS ANTICHRIST, THAT DENIETH the Father and THE SON. 23 WHOSOEVER DENIETH THE SON, THE SAME HATH NOT THE FATHER:...


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mat11een (1 day ago)

IF prophet Muhammad didn't tell us to believe in Jesus we would never believe that he had no father.we would never believe that he ever raised any death by God permission. you are RIGHT in saying that Christians and Jews are submitted to God that's y Jews KILLED prophets after prophets and when true Christ came they rejected him and planed to get rid of him. what A submission to GOD.Christians submitted to God that's y they worship created being instead of worshiping one and only God.

brotherjw (1 day ago)

Many atheists, agnostics, secular historians & satan "believe in Jesus" too. Believe He was. They deny God's record like you.

You demonstrate your unregenerate nature by lumping all Jews into one group.
And it wasn't Jews that killed Jesus. It was the sinful nature of mankind. It was you and I that killed Jesus my friend:

Rev 13:8 Rev 13:8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of THE LAMB SLAIN FROM THE FOUNDATION OF THE WORLD.

brotherjw (1 day ago)

You blaspheme God by saying Jesus had no father.
Who caused Jesus to be made manifest in the virgin Mary?
watch?v=geGTBo2X3sY

BEGAT:

1. To father; sire.
2. TO CAUSE TO EXIST OR OCCUR; PRODUCE: Violence begets more violence.


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Re: Conversation with Muslim mat11een
« Reply #4 on: January 09, 2009, 08:05:16 AM »
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4bfTQunr0j8

brotherjw (6 days ago)

You will never find Jesus in the Quran:

Jhn 3:36 He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and HE THAT BELIEVETH NOT THE SON SHALL NOT SEE LIFE, BUT THE WRATH OF GOD ABIDETH ON HIM.

Deedat suggested that the First Epistle of John confirms Mohammed. Do you agree?
watch?v=YDslsWDzPIc

2Pe 2:1...even as there shall be FALSE TEACHERS among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, EVEN DENYING THE LORD THAT BOUGHT THEM, AND BRING UPON THEMSELVES SWIFT DESTRUCTION.

mat11een (8 hours ago)

peace be with you
no matter how hard you try not to be judged by believing that jesus paid for your sins,at the end you must have to stand in front of GOd and you must have to account for your deeds. Quran describes the true jesus christ whose 1st miracle was to defend his mother in his childhood,who was humble,respectful to his mother not an arrogant and a person who taught people good things.On the other Christian bible present jesus as a trouble maker,insulting his mother,swearing people

mat11een (8 hours ago)

1 Jesus giving instruction to steal.(Luke 19:29-34)
2(Matt 10:34)"Think not that I am come to send peace on earth:I came not to send peace, but a sword...
3 (John 5:31)If I bear witness of myself, my witness is not true.jesus speaking
4 (Matt 23:17)Ye fools and blind."[Jesus speaking]
5(luke19:27) But those mine enemies,which would not that I should rule over them,bring hither,and slay them before me.(jesus speaking)
6 Matt 3:7,23:27,16:4& Luke 12:56 (jesus abusing people)

brotherjw (20 minutes ago)

How am I not to be judged? We are all to be judged my friend.
Won't you be in for a big surprise?

John 5:22 For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto THE SON:

You deny the blood that would save you, because of A SINGLE 6th century false prophet - THE OPPOSITE - of Jesus and God's Word. You will die wallowing in your sins. What is the cost of that?

Rom 6:23 For the wages of sin [is] DEATH; but the gift of God [is] eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

brotherjw (7 minutes ago)

1 You misunderstand.
Look at Moham thief murderer slave to sex.
2 Eph 6:17...the SWORD OF THE SPIRIT, which is the word of God:
Rev 2:16...the SWORD OF MY MOUTH.
3 Liar Moham bore witness of himself.
Mat 18:16...in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established.
4 Good passage for you. Read it.
Mar 7:13 Making the word of God of none effect through your tradition...
5 You prove your unregenerate nature by misunderstanding this parable.
6 You choose to interpret it that way.

brotherjw (5 seconds ago)

5 Jesus is delivering a parable to the Apostles. The words He was quoting were those of the nobleman in His story. You could not understand it because you are unregenerate:

Mar 4:11... unto them that are without, all [these] things are done in parables:That seeing they may see, and not perceive; and hearing they may hear, and not understand; lest at any time they should be converted, and [their] sins should be forgiven them.

brotherpete. com/index. php?topic=123. msg340#msg340

brotherjw (3 seconds ago)

Notice how your effort has gond increasingly toward falsely accusing, defaming, and hating Jesus?

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Re: Conversation with Muslim mat11een
« Reply #5 on: January 12, 2009, 02:21:18 PM »
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4bfTQunr0j8

brotherjw (3 days ago)

Notice how your effort has gond increasingly toward falsely accusing, defaming, and hating Jesus?

mat11een (3 days ago)

peace be with you
no matter how hard you try not to be judged by believing that jesus paid for your sins,at the end you must have to stand in front of GOd and you must have to account for your deeds. Quran describes the true jesus christ whose 1st miracle was to defend his mother in his childhood,who was humble,respectful to his mother not an arrogant and a person who taught people good things.On the other Christian bible present jesus as a trouble maker,insulting his mother,swearing people

mat11een (3 days ago)

1 Jesus giving instruction to steal.(Luke 19:29-34)
2(Matt 10:34)"Think not that I am come to send peace on earth:I came not to send peace, but a sword...
3 (John 5:31)If I bear witness of myself, my witness is not true.jesus speaking
4 (Matt 23:17)Ye fools and blind."[Jesus speaking]
5(luke19:27) But those mine enemies,which would not that I should rule over them,bring hither,and slay them before me.(jesus speaking)
6 Matt 3:7,23:27,16:4& Luke 12:56 (jesus abusing people)

brotherjw (3 days ago)

1 You misunderstand.
Look at Moham thief murderer slave to sex.
2 Eph 6:17...the SWORD OF THE SPIRIT, which is the word of God:
Rev 2:16...the SWORD OF MY MOUTH.
3 Liar Moham bore witness of himself.
Mat 18:16...in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established.
4 Good passage for you. Read it.
Mar 7:13 Making the word of God of none effect through your tradition...
5 You prove your unregenerate nature by misunderstanding this parable.
6 You choose to interpret it that way.

mat11een (5 hours ago)

SWORD of the SPIRIT&MOUTH???(LUKE 22:36-38)36 Then said he unto them, But now, he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise his scrip: and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one.
37 For I say unto you, that this that is written must yet be accomplished in me, And he was reckoned among the transgressors: for the things concerning me have an end.
38 And they said, Lord, behold, here are two swords. And he said unto them, It is enough.>>did Jesus tell to buy the SPIRIT?

brotherjw (1 minute ago)

Maybe two swords were sufficient for Jesus and the boys to go out and pillage a caravan, and steal another's property, like Mohammed?
Maybe slaughter innocent people in imperialistic conquest like Mohammed, and Mohammedans unto today?

What did we learn from the swords?
What resulted?

Luke 22:50 And one of them smote the servant of the high priest, and cut off his right ear. 51 And Jesus answered and said, Suffer ye thus far. And he touched his ear, and healed him.

Rem: "love your enemies".

brotherjw (3 days ago)

5 Jesus is delivering a parable to the Apostles. The words He was quoting were those of the nobleman in His story. You could not understand it because you are unregenerate:

Mar 4:11... unto them that are without, all [these] things are done in parables:That seeing they may see, and not perceive; and hearing they may hear, and not understand; lest at any time they should be converted, and [their] sins should be forgiven them.

brotherpete. com/index. php?topic=123. msg340#msg340

brotherjw (11 minutes ago)

See how you move increasingly into blaspheming Jesus? Hating Jesus?
This is that spirit of antichrist, manifest.

Your misunderstanding of that parable demonstrates your unregenerate nature:
brotherpete. com/index. php?topic=123.0

Mar 4:11...but unto them that are without, all [these] things are done in parables: 12 That seeing they may see, and not perceive; and hearing they may hear, and not understand; lest at any time they should be converted, and [their] sins should be forgiven them.

brotherjw (3 days ago)

How am I not to be judged? We are all to be judged my friend.
Won't you be in for a big surprise?

John 5:22 For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto THE SON:

You deny the blood that would save you, because of A SINGLE 6th century false prophet - THE OPPOSITE - of Jesus and God's Word. You will die wallowing in your sins. What is the cost of that?

Rom 6:23 For the wages of sin [is] DEATH; but the gift of God [is] eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

brotherjw (14 minutes ago)

John 5:22 For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto THE SON:

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Re: Conversation with Muslim mat11een
« Reply #6 on: January 12, 2009, 02:29:49 PM »
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brotherjw (3 minutes ago)

Mohammed in the bible:

Mat 7:15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.

But Mohammed came as a ravening wolf.

Pro 14:12 There is a way which seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof [are] the ways of death.

Mat 24:11 And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.

Mar 13:22 For false Christs and false prophets shall rise, and shall shew signs and wonders, to seduce, if [it were] possible, even the elect.

brotherjw (39 seconds ago)

Rev 19:20 And the beast was taken, and with him THE FALSE PROPHET that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.

Rev 20:10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and THE FALSE PROPHET [are], and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

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Re: Conversation with Muslim mat11een
« Reply #7 on: January 12, 2009, 02:36:08 PM »
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gEikOq4XNGY


brotherjw (3 seconds ago)

Mary was chosen above other women, but Mary worship is a Roman Catholic heresy, that I understand a defrocked priest helped Mohammed install in Islam.
It is a Roman Catholic heretical doctrine. They believe Mary to be sinless and to be an intercessor.
But Mary needed a Savior, just like you and I:

Luk 1:46 And Mary said, My soul doth magnify the Lord, 47 And my spirit hath rejoiced in God my Saviour.