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I would have thought that you would begin with an apology for suggesting that I knew God's punishment on Deedat. God's Word does give me some idea about where he stood if he died unrepentant:
Hebrews 10:29 Of HOW MUCH SORER PUNISHMENT, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, WHO HATH TRODDEN UNDER FOOT THE SON OF GOD, and HATH COUNTED THE BLOOD OF THE COVENANT, wherewith he was sanctified, AN UNHOLY THING, and hath DONE DESPITE UNTO THE SPIRIT OF GRACE?
1Jo 5:10 He that BELIEVETH ON THE SON OF GOD hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not GOD HATH MADE HIM A LIAR; because he BELIEVETH NOT the record THAT GOD GAVE OF HIS SON.
Islam is the EXACT OPPOSITE:
http://www.beholdthebeast.com/islam_the_opposite.htm[[[first, prove to me where in the quran those verses exist. im sure you know the differences between hadith collectors and authentic sayings that were recorded during the prophets times.]]]
If you mean these antichrist verses:
Surah 4:157 That THEY SAID (in boast), "WE KILLED CHRIST Jesus the son of Mary, the Messenger of Allah";- BUT THEY KILLED HIM NOT, NOR CRUCIFIED HIM, but so it was made to appear to them, and those who differ therein are full of doubts, with no (certain) knowledge, but only conjecture to follow, FOR OF A SURETY THEY KILLED HIM NOT:-
Surah 9.30 THE JEWS CALL ‘UZAIR A SON OF GOD, AND THE CHRISTIANS CALL CHRIST THE SON OF GOD. That is a saying from their mouth; (In this) they but imitate what the Unbelievers of old used to say. GOD’S CURSE BE ON THEM: how they are deluded away from the Truth!
Sura 19:88 They say: "(Allah) Most Gracious has begotten a son!" 89 Indeed ye have put forth a thing most monstrous!
They come directly from the must sanitized English translation of the Quran by Yusuf Ali and are copy and pasted from the following link. It includes 3 translations in all and you will find that each is as antichrist as the next:
http://www.usc.edu/schools/college/crcc/engagement/resources/texts/muslim/quran/Like these opposites:
Matthew 5:44 But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;
Sura 8:12 I will instill terror into the hearts of the unbelievers: smite ye above their necks and smite all their finger-tips off them
Ephesians 5:25 Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it;
Sura 2:223 your wives are as tilth (farmland) unto you; so approach your tilth when or how ye will...
You are required to consider the hadith inspired.
The following verse comes from there and confirms 1400 years of hatred for Jews, and murder of them at the hands of Islam unto today:
Allah's Apostle said, "You (i.e. Muslims) will fight with the Jews till some of them will hide behind stones. The stones will (betray them) saying, 'O 'Abdullah (i.e. slave of Allah)! There is a Jew hiding behind me; so kill him.' "
Sahih Bukhari Hadith Volume 4, Book 52, Number 176
Sunna: Sahih Muslim Book 041, Number 6985) USC had to remove this "inspired" Islamic hadith as hate speech,
PURE BIGOTED FILTH inspired by a reprobate FALSE PROPHET.
[[[ lets look at ibn ishaq, a muslim historian / hadith collector.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ibn_Ishaq , his work doesn't survive but His collection of traditions about the life of Muhammad survives mainly in two sources:
ibn hisham and tabari, but they were only collectors not actual persons who heard it from the prophet, nor were they in the prophets time.
extensive account of the incident is found in al-Tab?ri's history, the Ta'r?kh (Vol. I):
The prophet was eager for the welfare of his people, desiring to win them to him by any means he could. It has been reported that he longed for a way to win them, and part of what he did to that end is what Ibn Humayd told me, from Salama, from Muhammad ibn Ishaq, from Yaz?d ibn Ziy?d al-Madan?, from Muhammad ibn Ka'b al-Quraz?; so the verses that the ibn ishaq got, can be traced to
Muhammad ibn Ka'b al-Quraz?, which was among 2nd group of commentators, which followed 1st group , who heard the Prophet explaining the meanings of the verses, they would transmit it orally to other trustworthy persons. but here is a link:
http://www.hawzah.net/Eng/Q/do.asp?a=QCA2.HTM read it and maybe there will be some light shed. now tabari wrote at the beginning of the book,
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satanic_Verses go under TABARI ACCOUNT, and it will say what he wrote at the beginning. no where in the quran does it have these verses.
well and you said christian only needs to understand single verse from quran, well im sure you know translating arabic to english is no easy task, and small mistake can mean something else, just like when bible is translated, to greek, people think its simple, but it is a daunting task. you believe in a fictitious verse that you say is in the quran and you dare to say u need to understand single verse. do you get what iam saying?]]]
All 3 translations confirm that Islam denies that Jesus died on the Cross to save us all from our sins. It isn't a matter of translation, and it isn't news to you. This is THE ENTIRE SUBJECT of the New Testament, and Old Testament prophecy. A new covenant.
John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
Sura 19:88 They say: "(Allah) Most Gracious has begotten a son!" 89 Indeed ye have put forth a thing most monstrous!
Hebrews 10:29 Of HOW MUCH SORER PUNISHMENT, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, WHO HATH TRODDEN UNDER FOOT THE SON OF GOD, and HATH COUNTED THE BLOOD OF THE COVENANT, wherewith he was sanctified, AN UNHOLY THING, and hath DONE DESPITE UNTO THE SPIRIT OF GRACE?
Even though you believe that Jesus was uniquely born of a virgin, by the will of God, you deny His Sonship. You call Him fatherless.
Islam - and you - are antichrist:
1 John 2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? HE IS ANTICHRIST, THAT DENIETH the Father and THE SON. 23 WHOSOEVER DENIETH THE SON, THE SAME HATH NOT THE FATHER: [(but) he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also].
Ahmed Deedat claimed that the First Epistle of John supports Mohammed. Did you ever read, even a little for yourself, from the same version that Deedat quoted from? Here's a copy and paste of it from the King James version:
http://www.islamandthetruth.com/first_epistle_john.htmhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YDslsWDzPIchttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yRE1mg9j3Xo
