Author Topic: John 5:30 I can of mine own self do nothing:..but the will of the Father...  (Read 3085 times)

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John 5:30 I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me.

Interesting that Muslims even choose to quote this verse and others like it since it confirms the relationship between Jesus as Son and God as His Father.
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=2130.0

But their relationship transcends that.

John 14:7 If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him. 8 Philip saith unto him, Lord, shew us the Father, and it sufficeth us. 9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou [then], Shew us the Father? 10 Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works. 11 Believe me that I [am] in the Father, and the Father in me: or else believe me for the very works' sake.

To further clarify

John 10:30 I and [my] Father are one. 31 Then the Jews took up stones again to stone him. (for blasphemy)

That "one" in the Koine Greek is in the neuter gender indicating of one essence. The Jews wanted to stone Jesus for His declaration of divinity that they considered blasphemy.

Also interesting that they choose to quote the Word of God at all, since it is the EXACT OPPOSITE of Mohammed's book. http://www.beholdthebeast.com/islam_the_opposite.htm

Interesting that they choose to quote the Word of God at all, since it is the EXACT OPPOSITE of Mohammed's book. http://www.beholdthebeast.com/islam_the_opposite.htm

Jesus is God made manifest to us. The perfect example for all mankind. The model for us to imitate.

The Islamic hadith is intended to chronicle the life of the prophet Mohammed so Muslims can learn to be more like Mohammed. For example:
"The Hour [Resurrection] will not take place until the Muslims fight the Jews, and kill them. And the Jews will hide behind the rock and tree, and the rock and tree will say: oh Muslim, oh servant of Allah, this is a Jew behind me, come and kill him!"

Jesus also said when delivering His prophecy contained in the Olivet Discourse:
Mat 24:36 But of that day and hour knoweth no [man], no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.

When we see the verses above we realize that it is Jesus AS THAT EXAMPLE, BEFORE He was crucified, died and was resurrected into His glorified body.

The tragedy for Muslims is they refuse to see the verses that follow this event such as:

Mat 28:18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth. 19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

The importance of this cannot be overemphasized because they deny the very person that will be our judge:

Jhn 5:22 For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son:

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I curse all who trangress  the god the only one god. God will never appear to one, any one who doesnt studies his scriptures his well destine in hell....even myself as a muslim.

I am only 28, by gods will and guide am very thankfull to him, even though raised with christians orthodox they were nice to me and so i was them, i will love them and always will....

Please analyze well analyze well...who ever you are who ever is has weak mind.

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I curse all who trangress  the god the only one god.

You ARE that transgressor my friend. You reject the 1600 year record of God to mankind through ALL of the prophets and legions of witnesses, for the 6th century recitations of A SINGLE 6th century false prophet that was, and taught, the exact opposite

2Jo 1:9 Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son.

God will never appear to one, any one who doesnt studies his scriptures his well destine in hell....even myself as a muslim.

Studying the Quran, is a study of Satan Himself as he was Mohammed's inspiration. Here is how Mohammed's "god" will appear to you too:

2Cr 11:14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.

I am only 28, by gods will and guide am very thankfull to him, even though raised with christians orthodox they were nice to me and so i was them, i will love them and always will....

Please analyze well analyze well...who ever you are who ever is has weak mind.

I wear full armor and am heavily armed:

Ephesians 6:12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high [places]. 13 Wherefore take unto you the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand. 14 Stand therefore, having your loins girt about with truth, and having on the breastplate of righteousness; 15 And your feet shod with the preparation of the gospel of peace; 16 Above all, taking the shield of faith, wherewith ye shall be able to quench all the fiery darts of the wicked. 17 And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God: