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Joke of the century
« on: January 05, 2011, 02:22:07 AM »
In the name of Allah, the Beneficent, the Merciful , and peace be upon Mohamed Ibn Abdullah, and the rest of the messangers

http://www.youtube.com/embed/Sec_4ChFVbI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VB81iSY11V8&feature=related


Allah be praised became A MOON ? let us hear the joke of the century  by the pagan worshipers . These pagans says that Allah lord of the world has become nothing but tiny Moon , and they use fake claims to help them with their joke , but truth must be told . Anyone who has mind will laugh at this simple mind of this Pagan crusaders Nazis .

Allah the one and only says :

"And from among His Signs are the night and the day, and the sun and the moon. Do not bow down (prostrate) to the sun nor to the moon, but only bow down (prostrate) to "Allah" Who created them, if you (really) worship Him."
[Noble Quran 41:37]

As you see this pagan believers did not read the holy quran as we do when we are debating such lit children. They claim there was an idol called Allah in the Holy house of Kaabah in Mecca the Kingdom of Heaven . :D Lol what are they ?

Than what is the importance of Moon to muslims ? Do you think you are first to ask such question , those who live in lowlife .

"They ask you about the new moons. Say: These are signs to mark fixed periods of time for mankind and for the pilgrimage."
[Noble Quran 2:189]

As you see to what marked in red it is used as marks or signs for time of preayer amd pilgrimage , not only the muslims were using it even in the christian and jew used but what happen ? as you know they changed the word of Allah and made fun of the Abrahmic religon for the Athiest . Shame on you

Go to any arab chrisitan and ask him to tell the verse of Gospol according to john Ch13 Ver16 " For god so loved the world"  and ask him to read in arabic you hear the word Allah .

As been mentioned since the 20 century  that word Elohim (ELOAH without the plural of respect) is the same as Allah , or the Armenine Aalah

"The Aramaic version of the Gospels, which is said to be the language Jesus Christ (Ppuh) spoke, the Aramaic Gospels uses the root "hl0" (read from right to left) in place of the English word "God" used in the English translation. The pronunciation of "hl0" is "AaLaH" or "Alah"*. Jesus Christ (Ppuh) called God, "AaLaH. The BLB (Blue Letter Bible) links the Hebrew word "'eloahh" directly to the Arabic word "Allah", in its root and its meaning as "The True God", it even shows the word "'eloahh" in the Arabic alphabets, which is "Allah", for those of you who read Arabic. As a matter of fact, it also shows the word "'eloahh" in the Aramaic alphabets, which is "AaLaH", and it looks almost the same as in the Arabic alphabets. "(bibleperversion.com)

As you see all of this are semtic lanuage that share the same roots , so Nazis did jesus speak enligsh or Greek ? The answer is No for sure.Romans has transleted alot of names such as Simon and Sual to sound like Nazis (Wesntern) Simon i am sure most of do not know anyrthing about that name , Simon is name that Jesus called his first apostols, the one you call Peter . The word peter came from the word Greek word Peterous which mean Rock . As you see jesus called him once that he is sturbon like rock , so in 4 century the Pagans has changed his name to Peter . And if you do not know this . Know it now YOU ARE NOT ALLOWED TO TRANSALTED PEOPLE'S NAME AS YOU WANT(Taking from Ahemd deteed God bless him debate agains the pagans). Got memeorized (Axiel)

Sources :
1 - http://godallah.com/moon_god.php
2 - http://www.danielpipes.org/comments/147232
3- http://bibleperversion.com/islam/chapter11.asp?page=1
4- http://www.plim.org/1Allah.html





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Re: Joke of the century
« Reply #1 on: January 05, 2011, 07:05:57 AM »
Hello SalahDin and welcome back. Been a long time.
I would appreciate if you respond to my replies to your post in order so we can keep things organized.

In the name of Allah, the Beneficent, the Merciful , and peace be upon Mohamed Ibn Abdullah, and the rest of the messangers

http://www.youtube.com/embed/Sec_4ChFVbI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VB81iSY11V8&feature=related


Allah be praised became A MOON ? let us hear the joke of the century  by the pagan worshipers . These pagans says that Allah lord of the world has become nothing but tiny Moon , and they use fake claims to help them with their joke , but truth must be told . Anyone who has mind will laugh at this simple mind of this Pagan crusaders Nazis .

Allah the one and only says :

"And from among His Signs are the night and the day, and the sun and the moon. Do not bow down (prostrate) to the sun nor to the moon, but only bow down (prostrate) to "Allah" Who created them, if you (really) worship Him."
[Noble Quran 41:37]

As you see this pagan believers did not read the holy quran as we do when we are debating such lit children. They claim there was an idol called Allah in the Holy house of Kaabah in Mecca the Kingdom of Heaven . :D Lol what are they ?

1. Are you saying that Mohammed's tribe the Quraish did not worship a deity named "Allah" when they worshiped the moon, sun, stars, planets and jinn, around the Kaaba, before Mohammed?
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=1240.0
2. Are you denying there were 360 idols kept in and around the Kaaba?
3. If you are denying that one of their deities was named "Allah" are you saying that Mohammed invented the name?
4. If one of their deities WAS named "Allah" then which one was it if not the moon?
5. Are you saying they were monotheists?
6. Please tell us who Lat, 'Uzza, and Manat were if not the rest of Allah's family.
7. Since so many of them, including Mohammed's father, were named "Abdullah", or "slave of Allah", then who would you say the Quraish were slaves of?

Please do not add more threads to this forum, or expand the subjects replied to, until we have discussed the ones you already put in.

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Re: Joke of the century
« Reply #2 on: January 05, 2011, 07:28:44 AM »
Than what is the importance of Moon to muslims ? Do you think you are first to ask such question , those who live in lowlife .

Everyone understands that Muslims themselves, don't believe that they worship the moon, but rather the one true God.
But why is unreasonable to ask about the importance of the moon in Islam? Let's look at the evidence.

Since the moon god was considered to be the most powerful deity in Mohammed's Quraish tribe's Arabian Star Family worship it would seem no coincidence that the Islamic calendar is a lunar calendar.
Muslims all over the world prostrate themselves five times a day toward the black stone that the Quraish pagans venerated as representing their moon god.
Crescent moons adorn the tops of mosques.
Crescent moons decorate Islamic State's national flags.
"Fasting" is done during the month which begins and ends with the appearance of the crescent moon in the sky.
Even the favorite shout of Mohammedan suicide murderers - ALLAHU AKBAR - means "Allah is the greatER" or greatEST, which for the Quraish moon god worshipers meant that the moon was the most powerful of all of the Arabian Star Family deities that they worshiped.

Mohammed even mentioned the rest of "Allah"s celestial family.
Sura 53. 19 Have ye seen Lat. and 'Uzza, 20 And another, the third (goddess), Manat?

The Quraish worshiped their moon, sun, star, and jinn priest and priestess by circumambulating the kaaba 7 times, that they built to house 360 idols (only the black stone of which remains), running back and forth between Safa and Marwah to venerate the most important priest and priestess of their Arabian jinn religion, for which their were idols were on those two hills (Mohammed's father's thing)
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=1784.0

They traveled to the other stations of the Hajj, threw stones at Satan, sacrificed animals, and basically did all the things that Muslims still do today.
http://www.petewaldo.com/hajj_umrah.htm

So how is it you don't understand how we would see the relationship between the Quraish's moon, sun, star and jinn worship, and the rituals that you use to worship, and the name that you use for God?

In fact, what reason do you have to believe that your rituals are anything other than thinly repackaged pagan star family worship, EXCEPT for ONE MAN in the 7th century declaring he was speaking for "Allah", when he declared it was then OK for Muslims to practice right alongside the pagans?

Asem told us that he said to Uns bin Malek, a companion of Mohammed, “You were hating to encompass around the Safa and Marwa.”  He answered, “Yes, because it was one of the pagan rites of Jahiliyah until Allah gave a verse that the Safa and Marwa are the rites of Allah. (Sahih al-Bukhari 2 Book 26 710)

Narrated 'Asim: I asked Anas bin Malik: "Did you use to dislike to perform Tawaf between Safa and Marwa?" He said, "Yes, as it was of the ceremonies of the days of the Pre-lslamic period of ignorance, till Allah revealed: 'Verily! (The two mountains) As-Safa and Al-Marwa are among the symbols of Allah. It is therefore no sin for him who performs the pilgrimage to the Ka'ba, or performs 'Umra, to perform Tawaf between them.' " (2.158) (Sahih al-Bukhari 2 Book 26 710)

You engage in these rituals 1200 kilometers from THE Holy Land in Mecca Saudi Arabia of all places, for no other reason, than because Mohammed said it was OK for his followers to engage in these pagan rituals.

A self-proclaimed "prophet" with no fulfilled prophecy, that never performed a single miracle, that not a single person ever witnessed "Allah" or Gabriel give a single revelation to, or witnessed his flying donkey-mule.

Muslims joining the pagans and engaging in these rituals shoulder to shoulder right up until the year before the last Hajj of Mohammed

Sahih Bukhari Volume 2, Book 26, Number 689: Narrated Abu Huraira:
In the year prior to the last Hajj of the Prophet when Allahs Apostle made Abu Bakr the leader of the pilgrims, the latter (Abu Bakr) sent me in the company of a group of people to make a public announcement: 'No pagan is allowed to perform Hajj after this year, and no naked person is allowed to perform Tawaf of the Kaba.'


The Muslims kicking the pagans out of their own ritual!
Muslims even performing Tawaf naked, since there would have been no need to prohibit nakedness, since the pagans were already thrown out!

You see, my friend, wouldn't it seem this isn't the "joke of the century", but rather the joke of the last 1400 years. A reasonable person can see that Mohammed, rather than ending the "period of ignorance", began a 1400 year period of ignorance in his followers unto today. For a 21st century person to follow Mohammed, and his thinly repackaged Arabian paganism, they must necessarily remain ignorant to scripture, history, archaeology and geography.
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?board=56.0
I can understand that it was one thing for the ignorant and illiterate 7th century reprobates to follow him so they didn't have to work but could be cut in on the 4/5 of the property stolen from others, wives and children prisoners of the vanquished to rape, and old women to sell off into slavery.
But I just can't see what's in it for Mohammed's followers today - except an eternity of suffering.

Rev 20:10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet [are], and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=12.0

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Re: Joke of the century
« Reply #3 on: January 05, 2011, 08:18:54 AM »
"They ask you about the new moons. Say: These are signs to mark fixed periods of time for mankind and for the pilgrimage."
[Noble Quran 2:189]

As you see to what marked in red it is used as marks or signs for time of preayer amd pilgrimage , not only the muslims were using it even in the christian and jew used but what happen ?

Millions still go on "pilgimage" to THE Holy Land, though not on the pagan Arabian moon god worshipers calendar, and certainly not as a carnal article of our faith, because YHWH is omnipresent, omnipotent and omniscient. We don't have to prostrate to the Quraish moon god idol or to it's black box, for YHWH to hear our prayers.
Here's a Google search of it.

That is millions go on pilgrimage to THE Holy Land, to see the history and archaeology regarding the ONE TRUE GOD and His people come alive, NOT pilgrimage to a place of pagan Arabian star family and jinn worship, 1200 kilometers southeast of the Holy Land, to a town in Arabia called Mecca, that there is no evidence of which it even existed before the 4th century AD.
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?board=56.0

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Re: Joke of the century
« Reply #4 on: January 05, 2011, 08:27:18 AM »
as you know they changed the word of Allah and made fun of the Abrahmic religon for the Athiest . Shame on you

Go to any arab chrisitan and ask him to tell the verse of Gospol according to john Ch13 Ver16 " For god so loved the world"  and ask him to read in arabic you hear the word Allah .

Indeed it is a tragedy that Arabic speaking Jews and Christians inadvertently blaspheme YHWH by invoking the pagan Arabian name for God, when they wish to express "the God". However I am confident that in this information age they will increasingly understand their error. A shame that the Hebrew names weren't used in the Arabic Bibles.

As been mentioned since the 20 century  that word Elohim (ELOAH without the plural of respect) is the same as Allah , or the Armenine Aalah

Unfortunately a late doctrine arose in Judaism that suggested that God's NAME YHWH was too sacred to write or say. God's name is, and will always be YHWH as it occurs almost 7,000 times in scripture.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tetragrammaton#In_later_Judaism
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=1728.0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=slLBam06iyg

So they SUBSTITUTED with descriptive TITLES in their later scriptures including "Elohim" which is a word that is used for the God, but also for a god, as in pagan gods.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elohim

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« Reply #5 on: January 05, 2011, 09:16:02 AM »
"The Aramaic version of the Gospels, which is said to be the language Jesus Christ (Ppuh) spoke, the Aramaic Gospels uses the root "hl0" (read from right to left) in place of the English word "God" used in the English translation. The pronunciation of "hl0" is "AaLaH" or "Alah"*. Jesus Christ (Ppuh) called God, "AaLaH. The BLB (Blue Letter Bible) links the Hebrew word "'eloahh" directly to the Arabic word "Allah", in its root and its meaning as "The True God", ..........

But as I already said it is also used in the Old Testament for pagan deities.

"The word Elohim' occurs more than 2500 times in the Hebrew Bible, with meanings ranging from "god" in a general sense (as in Exodus 12:12, where it describes "the gods of Egypt"), to a specific god (e.g., 1 Kings 11:33, where it describes Chemosh "the god of Moab", or the frequent references to Yahweh as the "elohim" of Israel), to demons, seraphim, and other supernatural beings, to the spirits of the dead brought up at the behest of King Saul in 1 Samuel 28:13, and even to kings and prophets (e.g., Exodus 4:16).[8] The phrase bene elohim, usually translated "sons of God", has an exact parallel in Ugaritic and Phoenician texts, referring to the council of the gods.[9]"

"The word Elohim' occurs more than 2500 times [AS A SUBSTITUTE FOR YHWH] in the [LATER] Hebrew Bible....."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elohim#Hebrew_Bible

God's NAME will always be YHWH which means "I AM".
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=1728.0

The Messiah's Hebrew name is Yahshua or Yeshua which means "YHWH saves" or rescues or delivers.
So what does the Messiah deliver us from?
What does mankind need rescue from more than our own sin?

......... it even shows the word "'eloahh" in the Arabic alphabets, which is "Allah", for those of you who read Arabic. As a matter of fact, it also shows the word "'eloahh" in the Aramaic alphabets, which is "AaLaH", and it looks almost the same as in the Arabic alphabets. "(bibleperversion.com)

As you see all of this are semtic lanuage that share the same roots , so Nazis did jesus speak enligsh or Greek ? The answer is No for sure.Romans has transleted alot of names such as Simon and Sual to sound like Nazis (Wesntern) Simon i am sure most of do not know anyrthing about that name , Simon is name that Jesus called his first apostols, the one you call Peter . The word peter came from the word Greek word Peterous which mean Rock . As you see jesus called him once that he is sturbon like rock , so in 4 century the Pagans has changed his name to Peter . And if you do not know this . Know it now YOU ARE NOT ALLOWED TO TRANSALTED PEOPLE'S NAME AS YOU WANT(Taking from Ahemd deteed God bless him debate agains the pagans). Got memeorized (Axiel)

Sources :
1 - http://godallah.com/moon_god.php
2 - http://www.danielpipes.org/comments/147232

Poor fellow doesn't even seem to realize that the name YHWH - which occurs nearly 7,000 times in scripture - was LATER substituted by the title Elohim (as well as others).

3- http://bibleperversion.com/islam/chapter11.asp?page=1
4- http://www.plim.org/1Allah.html

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Re: Joke of the century
« Reply #6 on: January 06, 2011, 01:30:51 PM »
Hello SalahDin and welcome back. Been a long time.
I would appreciate if you respond to my replies to your post in order so we can keep things organized.

In the name of Allah, the Beneficent, the Merciful , and peace be upon Mohamed Ibn Abdullah, and the rest of the messangers

http://www.youtube.com/embed/Sec_4ChFVbI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VB81iSY11V8&feature=related


Allah be praised became A MOON ? let us hear the joke of the century  by the pagan worshipers . These pagans says that Allah lord of the world has become nothing but tiny Moon , and they use fake claims to help them with their joke , but truth must be told . Anyone who has mind will laugh at this simple mind of this Pagan crusaders Nazis .

Allah the one and only says :

"And from among His Signs are the night and the day, and the sun and the moon. Do not bow down (prostrate) to the sun nor to the moon, but only bow down (prostrate) to "Allah" Who created them, if you (really) worship Him."
[Noble Quran 41:37]

As you see this pagan believers did not read the holy quran as we do when we are debating such lit children. They claim there was an idol called Allah in the Holy house of Kaabah in Mecca the Kingdom of Heaven . :D Lol what are they ?

1. Are you saying that Mohammed's tribe the Quraish did not worship a deity named "Allah" when they worshiped the moon, sun, stars, planets and jinn, around the Kaaba, before Mohammed?
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=1240.0
2. Are you denying there were 360 idols kept in and around the Kaaba?
3. If you are denying that one of their deities was named "Allah" are you saying that Mohammed invented the name?
4. If one of their deities WAS named "Allah" then which one was it if not the moon?
5. Are you saying they were monotheists?
6. Please tell us who Lat, 'Uzza, and Manat were if not the rest of Allah's family.
7. Since so many of them, including Mohammed's father, were named "Abdullah", or "slave of Allah", then who would you say the Quraish were slaves of?

Please do not add more threads to this forum, or expand the subjects replied to, until we have discussed the ones you already put in.


1- I am not denying that they worshiped Allah as diety . They worshiped Allah as the Creator , but they worshpied with him other deities as well , The idols around the Kaaba .
2- Mohamed PEACE BE UPON HIM did not invented the name , the name Allah was used long time when Ishamel PEACE BE UPON HIM come to Mecca The Holy site . tribs that where before Qurish was making  idols for there God men , as you do now in westerns socity for those of who are Dear . Later generation after generation pased until the man came who said that we need to worship them to make us close to Allah :

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In the name of Allah, the Beneficent, the Merciful
The revelation of the Scripture is from Allah, the Mighty, the Wise. (1) Lo! We have revealed the Scripture unto thee (Muhammad) with truth; so worship Allah, making religion pure for Him (only). (2) Surely pure religion is for Allah only. And those who choose protecting friends beside Him (say): We worship them only that they may bring us near unto Allah. Lo! Allah will judge between them concerning that wherein they differ. Lo! Allah guideth not him who is a liar, an ingrate. (3) "


Lat.Uzza and Manat were Good Woman as said above later after their death people start worshping them , And yes they were Monothesim before it . people believe they were angles , and at that time there people started to believe that angles are female , because of it sound like female name Malaeka  , so they were considered as angles go read it no Wikipedia if you want :

"The name was previously used by pagan Meccans as a reference to the creator deity, possibly the supreme deity in pre-Islamic Arabia"(Wikipedia)
Say: He is Allah, the One and Only;

Allah, the Eternal, Absolute;

He begetteth not, nor is He begotten

And there is none like unto Him

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Re: Joke of the century
« Reply #7 on: January 06, 2011, 01:57:18 PM »
Than what is the importance of Moon to muslims ? Do you think you are first to ask such question , those who live in lowlife .

Everyone understands that Muslims themselves, don't believe that they worship the moon, but rather the one true God.
But why is unreasonable to ask about the importance of the moon in Islam? Let's look at the evidence.

Since the moon god was considered to be the most powerful deity in Mohammed's Quraish tribe's Arabian Star Family worship it would seem no coincidence that the Islamic calendar is a lunar calendar.
Muslims all over the world prostrate themselves five times a day toward the black stone that the Quraish pagans venerated as representing their moon god.
Crescent moons adorn the tops of mosques.
Crescent moons decorate Islamic State's national flags.
"Fasting" is done during the month which begins and ends with the appearance of the crescent moon in the sky.
Even the favorite shout of Mohammedan suicide murderers - ALLAHU AKBAR - means "Allah is the greatER" or greatEST, which for the Quraish moon god worshipers meant that the moon was the most powerful of all of the Arabian Star Family deities that they worshiped.

Mohammed even mentioned the rest of "Allah"s celestial family.
Sura 53. 19 Have ye seen Lat. and 'Uzza, 20 And another, the third (goddess), Manat?

The Quraish worshiped their moon, sun, star, and jinn priest and priestess by circumambulating the kaaba 7 times, that they built to house 360 idols (only the black stone of which remains), running back and forth between Safa and Marwah to venerate the most important priest and priestess of their Arabian jinn religion, for which their were idols were on those two hills (Mohammed's father's thing)
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=1784.0

They traveled to the other stations of the Hajj, threw stones at Satan, sacrificed animals, and basically did all the things that Muslims still do today.
http://www.petewaldo.com/hajj_umrah.htm

So how is it you don't understand how we would see the relationship between the Quraish's moon, sun, star and jinn worship, and the rituals that you use to worship, and the name that you use for God?

In fact, what reason do you have to believe that your rituals are anything other than thinly repackaged pagan star family worship, EXCEPT for ONE MAN in the 7th century declaring he was speaking for "Allah", when he declared it was then OK for Muslims to practice right alongside the pagans?

Asem told us that he said to Uns bin Malek, a companion of Mohammed, “You were hating to encompass around the Safa and Marwa.”  He answered, “Yes, because it was one of the pagan rites of Jahiliyah until Allah gave a verse that the Safa and Marwa are the rites of Allah. (Sahih al-Bukhari 2 Book 26 710)

Narrated 'Asim: I asked Anas bin Malik: "Did you use to dislike to perform Tawaf between Safa and Marwa?" He said, "Yes, as it was of the ceremonies of the days of the Pre-lslamic period of ignorance, till Allah revealed: 'Verily! (The two mountains) As-Safa and Al-Marwa are among the symbols of Allah. It is therefore no sin for him who performs the pilgrimage to the Ka'ba, or performs 'Umra, to perform Tawaf between them.' " (2.158) (Sahih al-Bukhari 2 Book 26 710)

You engage in these rituals 1200 kilometers from THE Holy Land in Mecca Saudi Arabia of all places, for no other reason, than because Mohammed said it was OK for his followers to engage in these pagan rituals.

A self-proclaimed "prophet" with no fulfilled prophecy, that never performed a single miracle, that not a single person ever witnessed "Allah" or Gabriel give a single revelation to, or witnessed his flying donkey-mule.

Muslims joining the pagans and engaging in these rituals shoulder to shoulder right up until the year before the last Hajj of Mohammed

Sahih Bukhari Volume 2, Book 26, Number 689: Narrated Abu Huraira:
In the year prior to the last Hajj of the Prophet when Allahs Apostle made Abu Bakr the leader of the pilgrims, the latter (Abu Bakr) sent me in the company of a group of people to make a public announcement: 'No pagan is allowed to perform Hajj after this year, and no naked person is allowed to perform Tawaf of the Kaba.'


The Muslims kicking the pagans out of their own ritual!
Muslims even performing Tawaf naked, since there would have been no need to prohibit nakedness, since the pagans were already thrown out!

You see, my friend, wouldn't it seem this isn't the "joke of the century", but rather the joke of the last 1400 years. A reasonable person can see that Mohammed, rather than ending the "period of ignorance", began a 1400 year period of ignorance in his followers unto today. For a 21st century person to follow Mohammed, and his thinly repackaged Arabian paganism, they must necessarily remain ignorant to scripture, history, archaeology and geography.
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?board=56.0
I can understand that it was one thing for the ignorant and illiterate 7th century reprobates to follow him so they didn't have to work but could be cut in on the 4/5 of the property stolen from others, wives and children prisoners of the vanquished to rape, and old women to sell off into slavery.
But I just can't see what's in it for Mohammed's followers today - except an eternity of suffering.

Rev 20:10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet [are], and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=12.0


I never said you do? and the quot above(mine) are for those who think they were the first to ask such question , people were asking before you .
lunar calendar was used by Christian and jews before , not only muslims used it , and that has nothing to do with it, God gave a mind to think about it , if we used the sun ? does the sun become like cresent as so we could Know what is it for , tell who do you think we will now what is the time for sure to fast or pray. As Allah said himself  :
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In the name of Allah, the Beneficent, the Merciful

"He it is Who appointed the sun a splendour and the moon a light, and measured for her stages, that ye might know the number of the years, and the reckoning. Allah created not (all) that save in truth. He detaileth the revelations for people who have knowledge. (5) Lo! in the difference of day and night and all that Allah hath created in the heavens and the earth are portents, verily, for folk who ward off (evil). " 

"Tracing the origins of ancient gods is often tenuous. If the name Hubal is related to an Aramaic word for spirit, as suggested by Philip K. Hitti,[1] then Hubal may have come from the north of Arabia." (wikipedia )

You speak of the Black stone as something  holier than Kaaba , We Faced the Kaaba not for the black stone . Allah Akabr is used in bible  , which mean God is the Great :

ehold, God is great, and we know him not; the number of his years is unsearchable. john 36:26
For the LORD is a great God, and a great King above all gods. Psalm 95:3
Behold, God is great, and we know him not - That is, we cannot fully comprehend him; see the notes at Job 11:7-9.

As you see every religon believe that their god is Greator than that of other religon . God is Great was used when these pagan barabrens were Crusading the Holyland , killing , muslims,Orthodox christian, and Burining jews .
It has nothing to do with Hubal .

Kick them , eh? We did not kicked until they kicked us from Mecca to Madian after killing muslms and beat them daily . Secondaly , when Mohamed PEACE BE UPON HIM conqured Mecca they Holy city , he Forgive them and most od them converted .

Joke of 1400 ? Well  you are wrong , because it old , and Allah himself answerd it before , not because they said we worship them , because they said why it is important .

Mohamed PEACE BE UPON HIM had enlighted the world with science , not as Church who look to science as infidily and an evil satamn work , when muslim were advancing they said it was from satan works , hhaha funny , . readf about you own dark age and the mystrey of the bible instead of looking to other people "mistakes" ( it is for you not for us ) . I will speak abou this matter later in spereated topic .

And can you please , stop repeating the same answr for the same question , Next week i will post another Topic .

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« Reply #8 on: January 06, 2011, 02:05:44 PM »
as you know they changed the word of Allah and made fun of the Abrahmic religon for the Athiest . Shame on you

Go to any arab chrisitan and ask him to tell the verse of Gospol according to john Ch13 Ver16 " For god so loved the world"  and ask him to read in arabic you hear the word Allah .

Indeed it is a tragedy that Arabic speaking Jews and Christians inadvertently blaspheme YHWH by invoking the pagan Arabian name for God, when they wish to express "the God". However I am confident that in this information age they will increasingly understand their error. A shame that the Hebrew names weren't used in the Arabic Bibles.

As been mentioned since the 20 century  that word Elohim (ELOAH without the plural of respect) is the same as Allah , or the Armenine Aalah

Unfortunately a late doctrine arose in Judaism that suggested that God's NAME YHWH was too sacred to write or say. God's name is, and will always be YHWH as it occurs almost 7,000 times in scripture.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tetragrammaton#In_later_Judaism
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=1728.0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=slLBam06iyg

So they SUBSTITUTED with descriptive TITLES in their later scriptures including "Elohim" which is a word that is used for the God, but also for a god, as in pagan gods.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elohim

AS said above that Allah is not a pagan god , and by the way , those religon , were from mid east not from europe . So they reach them before Mohamed PEACE BE UPON HIM be existed .
a late Doctrine ?  as if the one that exist to day  is the right one , your religon is nothing but came in jews and the pagan roman .

You understanding about arabic and herbew is lit . Allah can not be translated to God , because it could became like Godess or  add S to end to became gods , the word Alah is god in englsih the same for hebrew word Eloh which mean God , so the word Alah in arabic could be used for greeks gods  . Aalah is Allah in arabic , if you wan to hear it go watch the moive about jesus PEACE BE UPON HIM , Your version of course , and you will hear him saying when he is on the cross , Aalah  .
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« Reply #9 on: January 06, 2011, 02:12:31 PM »
"The Aramaic version of the Gospels, which is said to be the language Jesus Christ (Ppuh) spoke, the Aramaic Gospels uses the root "hl0" (read from right to left) in place of the English word "God" used in the English translation. The pronunciation of "hl0" is "AaLaH" or "Alah"*. Jesus Christ (Ppuh) called God, "AaLaH. The BLB (Blue Letter Bible) links the Hebrew word "'eloahh" directly to the Arabic word "Allah", in its root and its meaning as "The True God", ..........

But as I already said it is also used in the Old Testament for pagan deities.

"The word Elohim' occurs more than 2500 times in the Hebrew Bible, with meanings ranging from "god" in a general sense (as in Exodus 12:12, where it describes "the gods of Egypt"), to a specific god (e.g., 1 Kings 11:33, where it describes Chemosh "the god of Moab", or the frequent references to Yahweh as the "elohim" of Israel), to demons, seraphim, and other supernatural beings, to the spirits of the dead brought up at the behest of King Saul in 1 Samuel 28:13, and even to kings and prophets (e.g., Exodus 4:16).[8] The phrase bene elohim, usually translated "sons of God", has an exact parallel in Ugaritic and Phoenician texts, referring to the council of the gods.[9]"

"The word Elohim' occurs more than 2500 times [AS A SUBSTITUTE FOR YHWH] in the [LATER] Hebrew Bible....."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elohim#Hebrew_Bible

God's NAME will always be YHWH which means "I AM".
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=1728.0

The Messiah's Hebrew name is Yahshua or Yeshua which means "YHWH saves" or rescues or delivers.
So what does the Messiah deliver us from?
What does mankind need rescue from more than our own sin?

......... it even shows the word "'eloahh" in the Arabic alphabets, which is "Allah", for those of you who read Arabic. As a matter of fact, it also shows the word "'eloahh" in the Aramaic alphabets, which is "AaLaH", and it looks almost the same as in the Arabic alphabets. "(bibleperversion.com)

As you see all of this are semtic lanuage that share the same roots , so Nazis did jesus speak enligsh or Greek ? The answer is No for sure.Romans has transleted alot of names such as Simon and Sual to sound like Nazis (Wesntern) Simon i am sure most of do not know anyrthing about that name , Simon is name that Jesus called his first apostols, the one you call Peter . The word peter came from the word Greek word Peterous which mean Rock . As you see jesus called him once that he is sturbon like rock , so in 4 century the Pagans has changed his name to Peter . And if you do not know this . Know it now YOU ARE NOT ALLOWED TO TRANSALTED PEOPLE'S NAME AS YOU WANT(Taking from Ahemd deteed God bless him debate agains the pagans). Got memeorized (Axiel)

Sources :
1 - http://godallah.com/moon_god.php
2 - http://www.danielpipes.org/comments/147232

Poor fellow doesn't even seem to realize that the name YHWH - which occurs nearly 7,000 times in scripture - was LATER substituted by the title Elohim (as well as others).

3- http://bibleperversion.com/islam/chapter11.asp?page=1
4- http://www.plim.org/1Allah.html

I Do not know why you are repeating it many time i have answerd it above .

I think you are the poor for not knowing the history behind you fake sect of religion  .
 substituted  ? which mean changed have not you read bibe when God said :
"Do not add to these words lest He reprove you and you be proved a liar." – Proverbs 30.6.
 
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« Reply #10 on: January 06, 2011, 02:15:08 PM »
Aalah is Allah in arabic , if you wan to hear it go watch the moive about jesus PEACE BE UPON HIM , Your version of course , and you will hear him saying when he is on the cross , Aalah  .

Sorry but if you had watched the special features you would have known that the guy responsible for translating the script used arabic to fill out the Aramaic because first century Aramaic is a dead language. And Jesus said Eli, Eli, on the cross. Eli means "My God". That is why Elijah's name literally means "My God is I Am" or "My God is Yah".
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« Reply #11 on: January 07, 2011, 11:31:58 AM »
I Do not know why you are repeating it many time i have answerd it above .

You didn't answer anything.

I think you are the poor for not knowing the history behind you fake sect of religion  .
 substituted  ? which mean changed have not you read bibe when God said :
"Do not add to these words lest He reprove you and you be proved a liar." – Proverbs 30.6.
 
I pray for to be find the light ,

Look at the first reply to your thread again.

As you see this pagan believers did not read the holy quran as we do when we are debating such lit children. They claim there was an idol called Allah in the Holy house of Kaabah in Mecca the Kingdom of Heaven . :D Lol what are they ?

Why not respond to each point separately? That's why I numbered them.

1. Are you saying that Mohammed's tribe the Quraish did not worship a deity named "Allah" when they worshiped the moon, sun, stars, planets and jinn, around the Kaaba, before Mohammed?
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=1240.0
2. Are you denying there were 360 idols kept in and around the Kaaba?
3. If you are denying that one of their deities was named "Allah" are you saying that Mohammed invented the name?
4. If one of their deities WAS named "Allah" then which one was it if not the moon?
5. Are you saying they were monotheists?
6. Please tell us who Lat, 'Uzza, and Manat were if not the rest of Allah's family.
7. Since so many of them, including Mohammed's father, were named "Abdullah", or "slave of Allah", then who would you say the Quraish were slaves of?

Maybe this will help.
Loas Bin Hagar, the Arabian poet of the pre-Islam period, said:
"I swear by Ellat and al-Uzza and all who follow their faith, and in Allah, Allah is greater than they."
That's why the pagans said "Allah Akbar" or "Allah is the greatEST"
http://www.petewaldo.com/hajj___umrah.htm#crying_out

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« Reply #12 on: January 08, 2011, 07:34:02 AM »
Aalah is Allah in arabic , if you wan to hear it go watch the moive about jesus PEACE BE UPON HIM , Your version of course , and you will hear him saying when he is on the cross , Aalah  .

Sorry but if you had watched the special features you would have known that the guy responsible for translating the script used arabic to fill out the Aramaic because first century Aramaic is a dead language. And Jesus said Eli, Eli, on the cross. Eli means "My God". That is why Elijah's name literally means "My God is I Am" or "My God is Yah".

I did not need to watch the specialy features , and as i know Allah is not pronounced they way he did it , he said it cleary Aalah , not Allah which  is an arabic . I post above already :

"The Aramaic version of the Gospels, which is said to be the language Jesus Christ (Ppuh) spoke, the Aramaic Gospels uses the root "hl0" (read from right to left) in place of the English word "God" used in the English translation. The pronunciation of "hl0" is "AaLaH" or "Alah"*. Jesus Christ (Ppuh) called God, "AaLaH"* "(bibleperversion.com).

But let say , i am wrong , and you are right . What is about when say Ahmed ? lol . Now go and say  "he guy responsible for translating the script used arabic to fill out the Aramaic because first century Aramaic is a dead language"

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« Reply #13 on: January 08, 2011, 07:50:38 AM »
I Do not know why you are repeating it many time i have answerd it above .

You didn't answer anything.

I think you are the poor for not knowing the history behind you fake sect of religion  .
 substituted  ? which mean changed have not you read bibe when God said :
"Do not add to these words lest He reprove you and you be proved a liar." – Proverbs 30.6.
 
I pray for to be find the light ,

Look at the first reply to your thread again.

As you see this pagan believers did not read the holy quran as we do when we are debating such lit children. They claim there was an idol called Allah in the Holy house of Kaabah in Mecca the Kingdom of Heaven . :D Lol what are they ?

Why not respond to each point separately? That's why I numbered them.

1. Are you saying that Mohammed's tribe the Quraish did not worship a deity named "Allah" when they worshiped the moon, sun, stars, planets and jinn, around the Kaaba, before Mohammed?
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=1240.0
2. Are you denying there were 360 idols kept in and around the Kaaba?
3. If you are denying that one of their deities was named "Allah" are you saying that Mohammed invented the name?
4. If one of their deities WAS named "Allah" then which one was it if not the moon?
5. Are you saying they were monotheists?
6. Please tell us who Lat, 'Uzza, and Manat were if not the rest of Allah's family.
7. Since so many of them, including Mohammed's father, were named "Abdullah", or "slave of Allah", then who would you say the Quraish were slaves of?

Maybe this will help.
Loas Bin Hagar, the Arabian poet of the pre-Islam period, said:
"I swear by Ellat and al-Uzza and all who follow their faith, and in Allah, Allah is greater than they."
That's why the pagans said "Allah Akbar" or "Allah is the greatEST"
http://www.petewaldo.com/hajj___umrah.htm#crying_out

I did not answered anything that good joke of your as you know , all of your answers are linked togather  . Here from my 1st reply :

 I am not denying that they worshiped Allah as diety . They worshiped Allah as the Creator , but they worshpied with him other deities as well , The idols around the Kaaba .

2- Mohamed PEACE BE UPON HIM did not invented the name , the name Allah was used long time when Ishamel PEACE BE UPON HIM come to Mecca The Holy site . tribs that where before Qurish was making  idols for there God(I ment good) men , as you do now in westerns socity for those of who are Dear . Later generation after generation pased until the man came who said that we need to worship them to make us close to Allah .

Lat.Uzza and Manat were Good Woman as said above later after their death people start worshping them , And yes they were Monothesim before it . people believe they were angles , and at that time there people started to believe that angles are female , because of it sound like female name Malaeka  , so they were considered as angles go read it no Wikipedia if you want

There is only one that i forgot , which is number 4 : Hubal was the moon Good not Allah .That is you answer


About the poet ? I repeat many time , that they were pagans , not muslims , neither i am defending them . ok . Anyway about  Allah Akabar which mean Allah is Great . Everyone belive that there God is Greator than any , as said abvoe , but it seems you did not read any thing . All of the pagans looked to Allah is Creator as said in my posts :

"The name was previously used by pagan Meccans as a reference to the creator deity, possibly the supreme deity in pre-Islamic Arabia"(Wikipedia)

Also i post this in my repelys , which is fromt bible :

ehold, God is great, and we know him not; the number of his years is unsearchable. john 36:26
For the LORD is a great God, and a great King above all gods. Psalm 95:3
Behold, God is great, and we know him not - That is, we cannot fully comprehend him; see the notes at Job 11:7-9.



As Jesus PEACE BE UPON HIM said :

"They have ears, but they hear not; neither is there [any] breath in their mouths " Psalm 135:17
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« Reply #14 on: January 08, 2011, 08:07:50 AM »
I Do not know why you are repeating it many time i have answerd it above .

You didn't answer anything.

I think you are the poor for not knowing the history behind you fake sect of religion  .
 substituted  ? which mean changed have not you read bibe when God said :
"Do not add to these words lest He reprove you and you be proved a liar." – Proverbs 30.6.
 
I pray for to be find the light ,

Look at the first reply to your thread again.

As you see this pagan believers did not read the holy quran as we do when we are debating such lit children. They claim there was an idol called Allah in the Holy house of Kaabah in Mecca the Kingdom of Heaven . :D Lol what are they ?

Why not respond to each point separately? That's why I numbered them.

1. Are you saying that Mohammed's tribe the Quraish did not worship a deity named "Allah" when they worshiped the moon, sun, stars, planets and jinn, around the Kaaba, before Mohammed?
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=1240.0
2. Are you denying there were 360 idols kept in and around the Kaaba?
3. If you are denying that one of their deities was named "Allah" are you saying that Mohammed invented the name?
4. If one of their deities WAS named "Allah" then which one was it if not the moon?
5. Are you saying they were monotheists?
6. Please tell us who Lat, 'Uzza, and Manat were if not the rest of Allah's family.
7. Since so many of them, including Mohammed's father, were named "Abdullah", or "slave of Allah", then who would you say the Quraish were slaves of?

Maybe this will help.
Loas Bin Hagar, the Arabian poet of the pre-Islam period, said:
"I swear by Ellat and al-Uzza and all who follow their faith, and in Allah, Allah is greater than they."
That's why the pagans said "Allah Akbar" or "Allah is the greatEST"
http://www.petewaldo.com/hajj___umrah.htm#crying_out

I did not answered anything that good joke of your as you know , all of your answers are linked togather  . Here from my 1st reply :

 I am not denying that they worshiped Allah as diety . They worshiped Allah as the Creator , .......

They did not worship "Allah" as the Creator. All the available evidence suggests that they worshiped "Allah" as the moon god. If you are going to make such a claim you are going to have to produce evidence.
Why would they worship the creator of the world, but then worship His creation? It's absurd to believe that. Like saying they were monotheists and polytheists at the same time.
Please show us the evidence. Simply saying something doesn't magically make it true.


....... but they worshpied with him other deities as well , The idols around the Kaaba .[/color]

Yes. To name a few, Lat the sun godess, and 'Uzza and Manat which were planets, the rest of "Allah" - the most powerful deity - the moon god's family.

According to you they would be worshiping the one creator of the world, along with his wife Lat, and daughters 'Uzza and Manat - all celestial bodies.

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« Reply #15 on: January 08, 2011, 08:17:29 AM »
Aalah is Allah in arabic , if you wan to hear it go watch the moive about jesus PEACE BE UPON HIM , Your version of course , and you will hear him saying when he is on the cross , Aalah  .

Sorry but if you had watched the special features you would have known that the guy responsible for translating the script used arabic to fill out the Aramaic because first century Aramaic is a dead language. And Jesus said Eli, Eli, on the cross. Eli means "My God". That is why Elijah's name literally means "My God is I Am" or "My God is Yah".

I did not need to watch the specialy features , and as i know Allah is not pronounced they way he did it , he said it cleary Aalah , not Allah which  is an arabic . I post above already :

"The Aramaic version of the Gospels, which is said to be the language Jesus Christ (Ppuh) spoke, the Aramaic Gospels uses the root "hl0" (read from right to left) in place of the English word "God" used in the English translation. The pronunciation of "hl0" is "AaLaH" or "Alah"*. Jesus Christ (Ppuh) called God, "AaLaH"* "(bibleperversion.com).

But let say , i am wrong , and you are right . What is about when say Ahmed ? lol . Now go and say  "he guy responsible for translating the script used arabic to fill out the Aramaic because first century Aramaic is a dead language"



Yes let's say you are wrong because you are. I am not sure exactly what you are talking about in reference to him saying "Ahmed" but as a weak argument for Muhammad. As I said the guy used arabic to fill in where he wasn't sure what the Aramaic word would be so it makes no difference. And at the risk of getting into this endless debate again El, Eloyhim, etc are WORDS for WHAT God is not WHO God is. El, Eloyhim, God is no more a name than person is. Yahweh is God's name. Period.
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« Reply #16 on: January 08, 2011, 08:17:49 AM »
2- Mohamed PEACE BE UPON HIM did not invented the name , the name Allah was used long time when Ishamel PEACE BE UPON HIM come to Mecca The Holy site .

Please present the evidence for which you believe that Ishmael, who was never within a thousand kilometers of Mecca, was ever in the place where Mecca was eventually established, and was there about 1500 years before the historical evidence suggests that Mecca was settled.

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« Reply #17 on: January 08, 2011, 08:24:38 AM »
tribs that where before Qurish was making  idols for there ......

The Quraish made and worshiped idols too.

....... God(I ment good) men , as you do now in westerns socity for those of who are Dear . Later generation after generation pased until the man came who said that we need to worship them to make us close to Allah .

Lat.Uzza and Manat were Good Woman as said above later after their death people start worshping them , ..........

Bring us the evidence that you have that Uzza and Manat were "Good Women" that were worshiped after their death. What kind of nonsense is that? Why would the pagan Quraish worship 2 women?
Women were/are like dirt to Mohammed's followers. The whole notion is ridiculous.

Sura 2:223 your wives are as tilth (farmland) unto you; so approach your tilth when or how ye will.

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« Reply #18 on: January 08, 2011, 08:28:39 AM »
........ And yes they were Monothesim before it .

The only monotheists that were ever in Arabia before Mohammed, were Arabs that decided that the planet Venus should be worshiped in monotheism. They were the first monotheists in Arabia.

people believe they were angles , and at that time there people started to believe that angles are female , because of it sound like female name Malaeka  , so they were considered as angles go read it no Wikipedia if you want[/color]

There is only one that i forgot , which is number 4 : Hubal was the moon Good not Allah .That is you answer

Not to the Quraish based on the archaeological evidence and the etymology of the word "Al-lah".
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=1240.0

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« Reply #19 on: January 08, 2011, 08:31:29 AM »
About the poet ? I repeat many time , that they were pagans , not muslims , neither i am defending them . ok .

So then why did Muslims join the pagans shoulder to shoulder in their Hajj and Umrah?
Why did Mohammed engage in pagan rituals that included their sole surviving idol - the black stone?
Why do you engage in the Quraish's pagan rituals of their moon, sun, star and jinn worship?

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« Reply #20 on: January 08, 2011, 08:34:36 AM »
Anyway about  Allah Akabar which mean Allah is Great .......

You and I know that is false. Allah Akabar means "Allah is the greatER or greatEST". The Quraish shouted that because they were exhaulting their most powerful pagan deity over THE REST of their pagan deities.
Did you ever go to Arafat and shout "Labeik Allahumma Labeik"?

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« Reply #21 on: January 08, 2011, 08:39:01 AM »
........ Everyone belive that there God is Greator than any , as said abvoe , but it seems you did not read any thing . All of the pagans looked to Allah is Creator as said in my posts :

"The name was previously used by pagan Meccans as a reference to the creator deity, possibly the supreme deity in pre-Islamic Arabia"(Wikipedia)

Anybody can write anything in Wikipedia. That doesn't make it fact. Nor does it mean it's all bad. It means you have to apply some discernment. You should see the ridiculous stuff that Mohammed's followers put in Wikipedia. Look at this ridiculous tripe on Alexander the Great.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_the_Great_in_the_Qur%27an

On that subject I would like to ask of you. Do you believe Alexander the Great was a prophet of God?

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« Reply #22 on: January 08, 2011, 08:41:59 AM »
Also i post this in my repelys , which is fromt bible :

ehold, God is great, and we know him not; the number of his years is unsearchable. john 36:26
For the LORD is a great God, and a great King above all gods. Psalm 95:3
Behold, God is great, and we know him not - That is, we cannot fully comprehend him; see the notes at Job 11:7-9.

Yet Mohammed's followers insist that the mystery of the Godhead, should be as easy to understand as their next door neighbor, because they limit their understanding of God to that which springs from the child-like mind of an illiterate 7th century SW Arabian desert dweller.

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« Reply #23 on: January 08, 2011, 08:46:06 AM »
As Jesus PEACE BE UPON HIM said :

"They have ears, but they hear not; neither is there [any] breath in their mouths " Psalm 135:17

First that is an Old Testament passage condemning the very same kind of idolatry you engage in by prostrating yourself toward the Quraish's black stone idol 5 times a day. You cannot deny that the black stone was a Quraish idol. It is saying that idols had ears carved in them but they couldn't hear or breathe.
http://www.blueletterbible.org/Bible.cfm?b=Psa&c=135&v=17&t=KJV#17

But let's explore what I think you were trying to ascribe to Jesus through a verse like this
Mat 11:15 He that hath ears to hear, let him hear.
On that basis what do you suppose Jesus meant when he said
"But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay [them] before me."

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Re: Joke of the century
« Reply #24 on: January 08, 2011, 04:46:56 PM »
I Do not know why you are repeating it many time i have answerd it above .

You didn't answer anything.

I think you are the poor for not knowing the history behind you fake sect of religion  .
 substituted  ? which mean changed have not you read bibe when God said :
"Do not add to these words lest He reprove you and you be proved a liar." – Proverbs 30.6.
 
I pray for to be find the light ,

Look at the first reply to your thread again.

As you see this pagan believers did not read the holy quran as we do when we are debating such lit children. They claim there was an idol called Allah in the Holy house of Kaabah in Mecca the Kingdom of Heaven . :D Lol what are they ?

Why not respond to each point separately? That's why I numbered them.

1. Are you saying that Mohammed's tribe the Quraish did not worship a deity named "Allah" when they worshiped the moon, sun, stars, planets and jinn, around the Kaaba, before Mohammed?
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=1240.0
2. Are you denying there were 360 idols kept in and around the Kaaba?
3. If you are denying that one of their deities was named "Allah" are you saying that Mohammed invented the name?
4. If one of their deities WAS named "Allah" then which one was it if not the moon?
5. Are you saying they were monotheists?
6. Please tell us who Lat, 'Uzza, and Manat were if not the rest of Allah's family.
7. Since so many of them, including Mohammed's father, were named "Abdullah", or "slave of Allah", then who would you say the Quraish were slaves of?

Maybe this will help.
Loas Bin Hagar, the Arabian poet of the pre-Islam period, said:
"I swear by Ellat and al-Uzza and all who follow their faith, and in Allah, Allah is greater than they."
That's why the pagans said "Allah Akbar" or "Allah is the greatEST"
http://www.petewaldo.com/hajj___umrah.htm#crying_out

I did not answered anything that good joke of your as you know , all of your answers are linked togather  . Here from my 1st reply :

 I am not denying that they worshiped Allah as diety . They worshiped Allah as the Creator , .......

They did not worship "Allah" as the Creator. All the available evidence suggests that they worshiped "Allah" as the moon god. If you are going to make such a claim you are going to have to produce evidence.
Why would they worship the creator of the world, but then worship His creation? It's absurd to believe that. Like saying they were monotheists and polytheists at the same time.
Please show us the evidence. Simply saying something doesn't magically make it true.


....... but they worshpied with him other deities as well , The idols around the Kaaba .[/color]

Yes. To name a few, Lat the sun godess, and 'Uzza and Manat which were planets, the rest of "Allah" - the most powerful deity - the moon god's family.

According to you they would be worshiping the one creator of the world, along with his wife Lat, and daughters 'Uzza and Manat - all celestial bodies.

First of all you said that i did not answer anything ? so is clear  now that i did or not ?

Secondaly, there is nothing call in REAl hisotry that they worshpied Allah as the Moon God as you calim , look to all historical book you will see that Hubal was the moon God . Go search , who is the moon god , you say that its hubal not ALlah . You are right about being unlogical but they did the worshiped Allah as the Creator , but the other idols were Goddes on earth , as thety said it will help to conncet use to Allah , and support us , the same way you divid Heavenly kingdom , and the earth . I never said the ere monothesim at that time , as explain in my repleply that they were originaly were Monothesim , before a man came and told to woshiped Angles and the Good men from Arab trib .

"Hubal (Arabic: هبل‎) was a moon god worshipped in pre-Islamic Arabia, notably at the Kaaba in Mecca.."(wikipedia.com)

"the moon god's family"!!!!!!!!!!!! Are you sally where in history something called Moon God , only in your dreams boy , there is nothing called Allah as the moon , you just repeating the same thing.
Say: He is Allah, the One and Only;

Allah, the Eternal, Absolute;

He begetteth not, nor is He begotten

And there is none like unto Him