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Halal - Meat From Animals Sacrificed to an Idol
« on: October 17, 2011, 02:17:01 PM »
Snopes is certainly not definitive, and perhaps political, I just added a link to them to save others the trouble. They list it as "undermined" as of this edit date.
http://www.snopes.com/food/tainted/halal.asp

[edit on 1-9-2012 - Clicking on the link today it appears that Snopes changed their food/tainted/halal page to being a page on general food contamination without reference to halal. Can it be reasonably concluded that Snopes isn't politically, and political correctness, driven?]

[edit add 11-21-14, running that link in the web archive netted the first time I have ever found: "Sorry. This URL has been excluded from the Wayback Machine."
Which absence of accountability should communicate everything a person needs to know about Snopes.
Please see the 4th panel down with links to web archive of halal Butterball turkeys at this link http://www.islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=2955.msg16048#msg16048
" USDA Approved, Russian Approved, Halal Certified, and employ a Hazard Analysis and Critical Control Points (HAACP) food safety system with Good Manufacturing processes." [end edit]

Isn’t this the same as “eating meat sacrificed to Idols?”
     
    I never heard of "HALAL MEAT"  --- Can this be real????     Dan

    Subject: Halal Meat in US Supermarkets. Who Knew??
     
    Halal Meat in US Supermarkets
     
    I had never heard of halal meats until I got this. I went on my search engine and typed in halal meats and found a lot of stuff on it.  I will never knowlingly eat this stuff.
     
    This is news to me....will do a better job of looking at labels.
     
          Halal Meat in US Supermarkets
    "The other day I wrote about Costco stocking their meat counters with “Halal” meat.
    So yesterday I shopped for groceries at my local Walmart.  As usual, I bought a bag of frozen chicken breasts, but this time I checked to make sure the meat was not labeled “Halal”.
     
    Here’s why.  Halal is the Islamic term that basically means the meat is lawful to eat for a devout Muslim.
    What makes it lawful or acceptable is that the meat has been processed in a very specific way.
     
    Unlike kosher food, where the physical processing of the meat is the focus, for Islam it is the spiritual component that makes the meat lawful.
     
    For lawful (halal) meat in Islam, the animal must be killed while the butcher faces Mecca, and either the butcher cries “Allah Akbar” or a tape plays the words over a loud speaker.

[Pete note: That is, killed while facing the Quraish pagan's black stone idol shown in this photo. http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=2039.0 ]

    Ann Barnhardt is a cattle commodities broker, has more about “Halal."  NEVER buy meat that is marked as “Halal”.  I am in the cattle business, and believe me when I tell you that Halal kill plants are CONSTANTLY being cited and shut down by the USDA for horrific, infractions.  Most of these plants are in Michigan and upstate New York .
    One of the things that halal kill plants are notorious for is putting already dead animals in the human consumption line.
    They will go pick up a dead cow off of a farm or ranch and instead of putting it in their rendering tank where the resulting “tankage” is worth pennies on the dollar as pet food or industrial products, they will shackle the dead animal on the normal kill line and process it as human food which is the highest-dollar product.
    Since Islam teaches dishonesty (taqiyyah) and no regard for one’s neighbor, this kind of sickening behavior is standard.
    Halal plants are also notorious for general citations for filth and uncleanliness.
    I have toured normal cattle slaughter plants, and guys, you could eat off of the floor.
    Halal plants are filthy.
    A lot of Halal meat is also labeled as “organic”.
     
    Again, don’t be fooled into thinking that “halal” means “better”.
    It isn’t.  I would never, ever knowingly eat halal meat purely from a food safety perspective.
     
    "We the people are the rightful master of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution".
    ...Abraham Lincoln
     
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    Costco response to my email 10/12/2011 16:30:04 PST:
     
    In a message dated 10/13/2011 1:43:54 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, memberservice@costco.com writes:

        Dear XXXX

        We appreciate you taking the time to email Costco Wholesale.

        We are selling Halal certified products at our warehouses. At times we sell product that may be seen as controversial to some and acceptable to others.  It is our policy to let our members decide what is acceptable by what they choose to purchase.  Our member’s opinions and views on personally controversial products are always welcome and their refusal to purchase any products for personal, political, or religious reasons is respected and honored.  It is our goal to provide our members with the highest quality name-brand products while keeping our stock focused on the best selling items.

        Your product feedback has been forwarded to our buying office for their review.  We appreciate you taking the time to share your comments with us.

        Thank you and have a great day.

        Thank you,

        Erika
        Costco Wholesale Corporation

        Note this message was submitted through the costco.com web site customer suggestion page on 10/12/2011 16:30:04 PST --                My email to Costco:



        Comment/Suggestion/Request/Question Text:


        To:                      Costco.com

        From:                  Jan
        Email address:

        Re:                      http://halaladvocates.org/2011/07/costco/

        I am requesting information regarding the validity of the above referenced email.  Is the post true?
         
        As a long time Costco member, I wish to express my displeasure at the thought of having to be concerned about inadvertently purchasing a product I feel is an inappropriate substitution in your meat counters.

        The day I cannot purchase Muslim free meat from your counters will be the day I give up my Costco membership.

        Sincerely,

        Jan

        ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
        http://halaladvocates.org/2011/07/costco/


        Costco Selling Hand-Slaughtered Chicken With Help of Halal Advocates! (Coleman Brand Only))
        3 Jul, 2011 halal advocate Recent News,Uncategorized

        The Halal Food Standards Alliance of America is pleased to officially endorse the Coleman Natural Fresh Chicken Products sold ONLY at the specific Costco locations mentioned below. Representatives of HFSAA have been granted access to visit the production facility and will continue to visit the facility on a regular basis to ensure that halal requirements of hand-slaughter are met.  More than five Muslim Slaughterers are present to slaughter each individual chicken by hand while blessing each chicken with the name of Allah. Please also be aware there are other machine-slaughtered Halal products being sold and that we do not accept based on our universal Halal standards.


        Look for the Coleman Natural Fresh Chicken Products with a halal symbol on the back at the following store locations.  If there is no Costco location on the list which is close to your residence, then please contact Costco.com directly to request that your local Costco order this product.

        General Member Service: 1-800-774-2678

        Please feel free to contact the Halal Advocate representatives using the contact page for more information

        Please visit the Costco Warehouse Finder for maps and directions.

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        http://radiopatriot.wordpress.com/2011/08/15/costco-bows-to-mecca/
       
Costco bows to Mecca

        15 Monday Aug 2011

        Posted by radiopatriot in American Spirit

        Received this evening from a friend:

        I checked this – found the following links…
        http://halaladvocates.org/2011/07/costco
        and Lamb too
        http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2708982/posts

        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halal
        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qiblah

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        http://madmikesamerica.com/2011/04/halal-meat-and-the-muslim-invasion/
        Halal meat and the Muslim invasion
        halal
        by Michael John Scott on Apr 11, 2011

        The following comment was left in response to a series of articles written by former MMA contributor FourDinners of the UK.  You will find the links to these articles at the bottom of this post.  MMA does not take a position in this debate, beyond not understanding for certain what the issue really is.  Quite frankly if the Muslims are killing animals in a more humane manner then I’m all for it, but I understand there is a broader issue here and I prefer to reserve further commentary, leaving it to the reader instead to share their opinions.  Here’s the reader’s comment:

        Dear Sir

        I recently came across your article of 22 September 2010 entitled The Continuing Islamification of Britain, in which it states that Halal meat was being served in British restaurants and hospitals. It is a hundred times worse than that. Of our six leading supermarkets all but one sell only Halal chicken and lamb without informing customers. This is not hearsay – they have all confirmed to me personally that it is true and have said that they will not change their policy, and refuse to label the meat..This is blatant profiteering.

        For the last few months I have been battling with our food regulator (DEFRA) with a view to banning it but have been blocked. There are approximately 2,000,000 Muslims in Britain, but Muslim slaughterhouses are providing enough meat for 62,000,000 people. I believe that, under Animal Welfare Regulations, this is illegal but DEFRA disagrees.

        The European Union will do nothing but institute a new labelling regime, but that will take seven years to complete – longer than it takes to amend the American Constitution!
        Our Minister of Agriculture has recently said that he is prepared to order food labelling but is unwilling to label it as Halal, but merely not-stunned. He is unwilling to ban sales on the open market.

        I would like to bring this to the attention of the American public, because it may already be happening to them. It is the biggest step towards Islamification that Britain has seen. But our government refuses to do anything. All western governments seem to be petrified at upsetting Muslims, as witnessed by your government’s stance over the Cordoba Mosque in New York.

        I copy below a letter I have sent to our Minister of Agriculture. He has not replied.
        I should be extremely grateful if you could find space to publish this as it is a worldwide problem – New Zealand is totally Halal and Australia is going the same way. If you do publish could you please send me a link?

        Yours sincerely

        Daniel Bratchell

http://madmikesamerica.com/2011/04/halal-meat-and-the-muslim-invasion/#

        4 April 2011

        The Minister of Agriculture
        House of Commons
        London SW!A 0AA

        Dear Mr Paice

        Halal meat

        You are reported in the Daily Telegraph that you are in favour of labelling halal and kosher meat but would not use those words because they are religious and that would cause problems. What is wrong with using the correct definition? Instead you propose using non-stunned. Halal meat is so called because a Muslim prayer is said at the point of slaughter. I presume it is the same with kosher meat. Labelling it as non-stunned is no protection to the public whatsoever. We do not want to eat halal meat any more than we would want our children to be blessed by an Islamic imam. It is known that Members of Parliament​ also do not want to eat this meat, having instructed the Catering Committee not to supply it in their restaurants. Why is the public not afforded the same rights? I refuse to eat halal meat and am having to make a fifteen mile round trip once a month to buy my meat from the only supermarket which guarantees not to sell Halal meat. I am retired and can spare the time for that but families cannot.

        Having said that, labelling is not the answer. The practice of selling meat slaughtered in a Muslim/Jewish slaughterhouse on the open market should be banned completely. Merely labelling it will not take it off the market as supermarkets will continue to sell it. There will be no market loss to them as customers will have no choice to buy elsewhere. Muslims and Jews are granted exemption from Animal Welfare Regulations “for the food of Muslims/Jews“. I believe that slaughtering for the food of sixty million people does not comply with those regulations but DEFRA refuses to accept that it is illegal. Consumer Direct told me that it is an offence to omit giving customers information which would affect their decision to purchase. But Trading Standards have told me that the Food Safety Act takes precedence and that, if the Secretary of State has not specified labelling, no offence has been committed. I disagree but I cannot afford counsel’s opinion to resolve it. In my opinion banning sale on the open market is the only solution.

        I think you have to take the bull (pardon the pun) by the horns and risk the wrath of Muslims and Jews by restricting their slaughter to their own food.
        Jews do not impinge on our lives very much but Muslims are more and more affecting our British way of life. Islam is an aggressive religion which is gradually taking over Britain with its constant demands for dispensations, which I need not list. There are now over one hundred Sharia courts in existence taking over from British justice. The present volume of halal meat on the market, which sixty million non-Muslims are obliged to eat, is another step, and probably the biggest, towards the total domination of Islam.

        The banning of the sale of halal meat on the open market will not affect Muslims’ rights to religious slaughter and cannot therefore be construed as discrimination. It would instead be the first time that Muslims have an indication that they cannot continually dictate their terms.

        There will obviously be problems with this – a Jewish spokesman has already introduced the Nazi connotation that labelling will move the yellow star from their breasts to their food. But I believe it has to be done.

        To indicate how much trouble I have taken over this and to give you more facts I enclose a copy of a letter I have sent to my MP. He declined to provide any help.

        Yours sincerely

        Daniel Bratchell

        Cc Prime Minister

        The following links will provide additional information and background to this story:

        You can call me Hal(Al)

        The Continuing Islamification of Britain-through its Stomach

        The Continuing Islamification of Britain-through its Stomach Part II
        Related articles


            * Dutch consider banning religious animal slaughter (thegreatone22.wordpress.com)
            * Farming Minister supports plans to label kosher meat (thejc.com)
            * Should the EU require kosher and halal meat to be labelled? (blogs.telegraph.co.uk)

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Re: Halal - Meat From Animals Sacrificed to an Idol
« Reply #1 on: November 29, 2011, 02:51:54 PM »
http://creepingsharia.wordpress.com/2011/11/23/all-butterball-turkeys-sharia-compliant-but-none-labeled/

More meat sacrificed to an idol.

November 21, 2011
Happy Halal Thanksgiving
By Pamela Geller

Did you know that the turkey you're going to enjoy on Thanksgiving Day this Thursday is probably halal? If it's a Butterball turkey, then it certainly is -- whether you like it or not.

In my book Stop the Islamization of America: A Practical Guide to the Resistance, I report at length on the meat industry's halal scandal: its established practice of not separating halal meat from non-halal meat, and not labeling halal meat as such. And back in October 2010, I reported more little-noted but explosive new revelations: that much of the meat in Europe and the United States is being processed as halal without the knowledge of the non-Muslim consumers who buy it.

I discovered that only two plants in the U.S. that perform halal slaughter keep the halal meat separated from the non-halal meat, and they only do so because plant managers thought it was right to do so. At other meat-packing plants, animals are slaughtered following halal requirements, but then only a small bit of the meat is actually labeled halal.

Now here is yet more poisonous fruit of that scandal.

A citizen activist and reader of my website AtlasShrugs.com wrote to Butterball, one of the most popular producers of Thanksgiving turkeys in the United States, asking them if their turkeys were halal. Wendy Howze, a Butterball Consumer Response Representative, responded: "Our whole turkeys are certified halal."

In a little-known strike against freedom, yet again, we are being forced into consuming meat slaughtered by means of a torturous method: Islamic slaughter.

Halal slaughter involves cutting the trachea, the esophagus, and the jugular vein, and letting the blood drain out while saying "Bismillah allahu akbar" -- in the name of Allah the greatest. Many people refuse to eat it on religious grounds. Many Christians, Hindus or Sikhs and Jews find it offensive to eat meat slaughtered according to Islamic ritual (although observant Jews are less likely to be exposed to such meat, because they eat kosher).

Others object because of the cruelty to animals that halal slaughter necessitates. Where are the PETA clowns and the ridiculous celebs who pose naked on giant billboards for PETA and "animal rights"? They would rather see people die of cancer or AIDS than see animals used in drug testing, but torturous and painful Islamic slaughter is OK.

Still others refuse to do so on principle: why should we be forced to conform to Islamic norms? It's Islamic supremacism on the march, yet again.

Non-Muslims in America and Europe don't deserve to have halal turkey forced upon them in this way, without their knowledge or consent. So this Thanksgiving, fight for your freedom. Find a non-halal, non-Butterball turkey to celebrate Thanksgiving this Thursday. And write to Butterball and request, politely but firmly, that they stop selling only halal turkeys, and make non-halal turkeys available to Americans who still value our freedoms.

Stephanie Styons at Butterball Corporate sstyons@merrellgroup.com is the contact for those who want to let the company know their feelings about stealth halal turkeys. Also here is the Butterball website for plant locations, which lists whole turkeys as being produced at their North Carolina and Arkansas plants.

Across this great country, on Thanksgiving tables nationwide, infidel Americans are unwittingly going to be serving halal turkeys to their families this Thursday. Turkeys that are halal certified -- who wants that, especially on a day on which we are giving thanks to G-d for our freedom? I wouldn't knowingly buy a halal turkey -- would you? Halal turkey, slaughtered according to the rules of Islamic law, is just the opposite of what Thanksgiving represents: freedom and inclusiveness, neither of which are allowed for under that same Islamic law.

The same Islamic law that mandates that animals be cruelly slaughtered according to halal requirements also teaches hatred of and warfare against unbelievers, the oppression of women, the extinguishing of free speech, and much more that is inimical to our freedom. Don't support it on this celebration of freedom. Join our Facebook group, 'Boycott Butterball'.

Don't buy a Butterball turkey for Thanksgiving.

Pamela Geller is the publisher of AtlasShrugs.com and the author of the WND Books title Stop the Islamization of America: A Practical Guide to the Resistance.

Read more: http://www.americanthinker.com/2011/11/happy_halal_thanksgiving.html#ixzz1f7qvPw6E

http://www.americanthinker.com/2011/11/happy_halal_thanksgiving.html

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Re: Halal - Meat From Animals Sacrificed to an Idol
« Reply #2 on: January 10, 2012, 09:11:57 AM »
Split this off of the "Boycott Halal" thread because I thought it was a stand-alone topic, and so that search engines can more easily find the title.

Boycott thread
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=2388.0

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Re: Halal - Meat From Animals Sacrificed to an Idol
« Reply #3 on: January 09, 2014, 06:29:03 PM »
Here's the cached page from Butterball Turkey on Nov 8th 2011:
http://web.archive.org/web/20111108024158/http://www.butterballcorp.com/intl/

Last paragraph:

"As an international turkey provider, we have the expertise in serving different countries and different customs, and will work with you to meet any and all product needs. We have met the requirements for the following certifications: USDA Approved, Russian Approved, Halal Certified, and employ a Hazard Analysis and Critical Control Points (HAACP) food safety system with Good Manufacturing processes. From great customer service to new product innovation to the proper certifications, Butterball has the experience you need to get our great tasting turkey in your market."

What do you know. Scrubbed out by Nov 25th 2011:
http://web.archive.org/web/20111125100003/http://www.butterballcorp.com/intl/

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Re: Halal - Meat From Animals Sacrificed to an Idol
« Reply #4 on: January 10, 2014, 10:19:14 PM »
Here is someone who claims to have the word from  Butterball

http://www.sameerseats.com/butterball-turkeys-no-longer-halal/

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Re: Halal - Meat From Animals Sacrificed to an Idol
« Reply #5 on: January 11, 2014, 04:50:46 AM »
Here is someone who claims to have the word from  Butterball

http://www.sameerseats.com/butterball-turkeys-no-longer-halal/

Thank you for that. Impressive that they don't even produce it for foreign countries. Maybe they didn't realize what they were doing until attention was brought to it by those like Pamela Geller.

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« Reply #6 on: January 11, 2014, 05:41:31 AM »
Thought this was worth repeating on this thread. Halal is just another back door, for Sharia creeping into western nations. It is bending to accommodate Muhammad's/Satan's antichrist ANTI-religion, rather than resisting it.
http://www.americanthinker.com/2011/11/happy_halal_thanksgiving.html#ixzz1f7qvPw6E

Bending to accommodate antichrist men who inhumanely kill animals, while shouting "Allah Akbar", as they face the Quraish pagan's black stone idol in Mecca.
http://www.islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=2955.0

Let alone that some of the money made off of the halal industry winds up financing terrorism via the Muslim Brotherhood. Financing the enemies of civilized society:
https://www.google.com/#q=halal+finances+terrorism+muslim+brotherhood

http://www.cbn.com/tv/1397750218001

Thus the boycott of companies that provide halal in favor of companies that don't:
http://www.islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=2388.0