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Re: Allah - the one ... who confounds all human understanding
« Reply #100 on: March 07, 2012, 11:01:16 AM »
Matthew 1:23 Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.

Matthew 3:17 And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.

Matthew 17:5 While he yet spake, behold, a bright cloud overshadowed them: and behold a voice out of the cloud, which said, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased; hear ye him.

Matthew 28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

Mark 1:11 And there came a voice from heaven, [saying], Thou art my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.

Mar 5:7 And cried with a loud voice, and said, What have I to do with thee, Jesus, [thou] Son of the most high God? I adjure thee by God, that thou torment me not.

Mark 9:7 And there was a cloud that overshadowed them: and a voice came out of the cloud, saying, This is my beloved Son: hear him.

Mark 13:32 But of that day and [that] hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father.

Mark 14:61 But he held his peace, and answered nothing. Again the high priest asked him, and said unto him, Art thou the Christ, the Son of the Blessed?

Luke 1:32 He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David:

Luke 3:22 And the Holy Ghost descended in a bodily shape like a dove upon him, and a voice came from heaven, which said, Thou art my beloved Son; in thee I am well pleased.

Luke 9:35 And there came a voice out of the cloud, saying, This is my beloved Son: hear him.

Luke 10:6 And if the son of peace be there, your peace shall rest upon it: if not, it shall turn to you again.

Luke 10:22 All things are delivered to me of my Father: and no man knoweth who the Son is, but the Father; and who the Father is, but the Son, and [he] to whom the Son will reveal [him].

John 3:17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.

John 3:35 The Father loveth the Son, and hath given all things into his hand.

John 3:36 He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.

John 5:19 Then answered Jesus and said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do: for what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise.

John 5:20 For the Father loveth the Son, and sheweth him all things that himself doeth: and he will shew him greater works than these, that ye may marvel.

John 5:21 For as the Father raiseth up the dead, and quickeneth [them]; even so the Son quickeneth whom he will.

John 5:22 For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son:

John 5:23 That all [men] should honour the Son, even as they honour the Father. He that honoureth not the Son honoureth not the Father which hath sent him.

John 5:26 For as the Father hath life in himself; so hath he given to the Son to have life in himself;

John 6:40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.

John 6:42 And they said, Is not this Jesus, the son of Joseph, whose father and mother we know? how is it then that he saith, I came down from heaven?

John 6:69 And we believe and are sure that thou art that Christ, the Son of the living God.

John 8:35 And the servant abideth not in the house for ever: [but] the Son abideth ever.

John 8:36 If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed.

John 14:13 And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son.

John 17:1 These words spake Jesus, and lifted up his eyes to heaven, and said, Father, the hour is come; glorify thy Son, that thy Son also may glorify thee:

Acts 3:13 The God of Abraham, and of Isaac, and of Jacob, the God of our fathers, hath glorified his Son Jesus; whom ye delivered up, and denied him in the presence of Pilate, when he was determined to let [him] go.

Acts 3:26 Unto you first God, having raised up his Son Jesus, sent him to bless you, in turning away every one of you from his iniquities.

Romans 1:3 Concerning his Son Jesus Christ our Lord, which was made of the seed of David according to the flesh;

Romans 1:9 For God is my witness, whom I serve with my spirit in the gospel of his Son, that without ceasing I make mention of you always in my prayers;

Romans 5:10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.

Romans 8:3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:

Romans 8:29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate [to be] conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.

Romans 8:32 He that spared not his own Son, but delivered him up for us all, how shall he not with him also freely give us all things?

1Corinthians 1:9 God [is] faithful, by whom ye were called unto the fellowship of his Son Jesus Christ our Lord.

1Corinthians 15:28 And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.

Galatians 1:16 To reveal his Son in me, that I might preach him among the heathen; immediately I conferred not with flesh and blood:

Galatians 4:4 But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law,

Galatians 4:6 And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father.

Colossians 1:13 Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated [us] into the kingdom of his dear Son:

1Thessalonians 1:10 And to wait for his Son from heaven, whom he raised from the dead, [even] Jesus, which delivered us from the wrath to come.

Hebrews 1:2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by [his] Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;

Hebrews 1:8 But unto the Son [he saith], Thy throne, O God, [is] for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness [is] the sceptre of thy kingdom.

Hebrews 3:6 But Christ as a son over his own house; whose house are we, if we hold fast the confidence and the rejoicing of the hope firm unto the end.

Hebrews 7:28 For the law maketh men high priests which have infirmity; but the word of the oath, which was since the law, [maketh] the Son, who is consecrated for evermore.

2Peter 1:17 For he received from God the Father honour and glory, when there came such a voice to him from the excellent glory, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.

1John 1:3 That which we have seen and heard declare we unto you, that ye also may have fellowship with us: and truly our fellowship [is] with the Father, and with his Son Jesus Christ.

1John 1:7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.

1John 2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.

1John 2:23 Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: [(but) he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also].

1John 2:24 Let that therefore abide in you, which ye have heard from the beginning. If that which ye have heard from the beginning shall remain in you, ye also shall continue in the Son, and in the Father.

1John 3:23 And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment.

1John 4:10 Herein is love, not that we loved God, but that he loved us, and sent his Son [to be] the propitiation for our sins.

1John 4:14 And we have seen and do testify that the Father sent the Son [to be] the Saviour of the world.

1John 5:9 If we receive the witness of men, the witness of God is greater: for this is the witness of God which he hath testified of his Son.

1John 5:11 And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son.

1John 5:12 He that hath the Son hath life; [and] he that hath not the Son of God hath not life.

2John 1:3 Grace be with you, mercy, [and] peace, from God the Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ, the Son of the Father, in truth and love.

2John 1:9 Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son.


Quran Surah 9.30 The Jews call 'Uzair a son of Allah, and the Christians call Christ the son of Allah. That is a saying from their mouth; (in this) they but imitate what the unbelievers of old used to say. Allah's curse be on them: how they are deluded away from the Truth!

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Re: Allah - the one ... who confounds all human understanding
« Reply #101 on: March 07, 2012, 11:09:21 AM »

I already did but you want to pretend it doesn't exist, and that somehow the true fundamental followers of Muhammad - the terrorists - are wrong and you are right. But they'd be just as happy to cut your head of as a hypocrite renegade, as they would mine. Again,

Surah 9.29 Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued. 30 The Jews call 'Uzair a son of Allah, and the Christians call Christ the son of Allah. That is a saying from their mouth; (in this) they but imitate what the unbelievers of old used to say. Allah's curse be on them: how they are deluded away from the Truth!

Brother I did answer that.

No, sorry for that. I wrote wrong. I wrote Katilüllezıne instead of "utül kitübe hatta" And I am saying again it's about the pagans, not Christians and Jews. The ones who dose not believe in Creator and so on... ( The Surah 929)

Read it again.
But even more sadly, it is Satan himself - the father of lies - that has deceived you through the spirit of antichrist, to the fact that it would be just as evil to slay and subjugate pagans, as the People of the Book.

Furthermore sura 29 that you quoted from was from Muhammad's early Mecca days, and those less violent verses are abrogated by his post Hijra Medina suras that call his people to imperialistic conquest and subjugation of non-Muslims. If you read the Quran in chronological order you will see the transformation to pure evil more easily. The following link lists the chronological order.
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=609.0
More on Abrogation
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=116.0
Sura 9 that I quoted from is the second to last sura, in chronological order of "revelation", of all 114 suras, so it takes precedence over all that earlier Mecca stuff including Muhammad's "no compulsion in religion" drivel.
This is why Muhammad's TRUE FOLLOWERS have been murdering and subjugating non-Muslims all around the world for 1400 years.

Brother the is not "even if they are" in the original. And it's not sayin Ehlel Kitab

Here it is... show me the word Elel kitab in latin latters. AAAAAAAAA : )

Katilüllezıne la yü'minune billahi ve la bil yevmil ahıri ve la yühürrimune ma harremallahü ve rasulühu ve la yedınune dınel hakkı minellezıne utül kitübe hatta yu'tul cizyete ay yediv vehüm sağırun


Show me where it is.
And it says the ones who does not believe in the eternal life and who does not believe God and who does not believe the Got and prophet's sin orders.
Which of these fixes you?
Don't you believe Allah?
Don't you believe eternal life?
Don't you believe you must get away of the sins?

Furthermore sura 29 that you quoted from was from Muhammad's early Mecca days
It is Surah 9 not 29. And except ayeth 128 and 129 They all come at Medine.

And here comes the history Brother again.
Are we going to talk about our side of history view? If you give me one I can give you seven. But I will not. Use internet for it. Or look at the TV news...

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Re: Allah - the one ... who confounds all human understanding
« Reply #102 on: March 07, 2012, 11:23:35 AM »
Now, if some one tells me ......

It isn't some random someone, but God Himself that tells us.

........ he has a son, no way man, I realy believe Creator is beyond everything we can imagine.

You just contradicted yourself. You said our Creator is beyond everything we can imagine, and then you limited our Creator to what YOU can imagine, while rejecting and blaspheming the way God revealed Himself to us.

1 John 2:22  Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? HE IS ANTICHRIST, THAT DENIETH the Father and THE SON. 23 WHOSOEVER DENIETH THE SON, THE SAME HATH NOT THE FATHER: [(but) he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also].

It is true scripture refers to sons of God in the Old and New Testaments. But the following verses use the definite article "the" and refer to the singular Son of God. Just as THE prophesied Son of God was foretold in these (and other) Old Testament verses:

Isaiah 9:6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

Psalms 2:7 I will declare the decree: the LORD hath said unto me, Thou [art] my Son; this day have I begotten thee.

Isaiah 7:14 Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel.

Immanuel
Old Testament Hebrew Definition:
0410 'el {ale}
shortened from 0352; TWOT - 93a; n m
AV - God 213, god 16, power 4, mighty 5, goodly 1, great 1, idols 1,
Immanuel + 06005 2, might 1, strong 1; 245
1) god, god-like one, mighty one

Confirmed in the New Testament:

Matthew 1:23 Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.

PDF tract of these verses with folding instructions: "Jesus" http://www.islamandthetruth.com/christian_testimonies.htm#tract_m4
YouTube of them:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oUUXG0z0bPE

The first verse is a Christophany where Jesus showed Himself hundreds of years before He was made manifest to the world:

Daniel 3:25 He answered and said, Lo, I see four men loose, walking in the midst of the fire, and they have no hurt; and the form of the fourth is like the Son of God.

Some verses from the New Testament:

Mat 4:3 And when the tempter came to him, he said, If thou be the Son of God, command that these stones be made bread.

Mat 4:6 And saith unto him, If thou be the Son of God, cast thyself down: for it is written, He shall give his angels charge concerning thee: and in [their] hands they shall bear thee up, lest at any time thou dash thy foot against a stone.

Mat 14:33 Then they that were in the ship came and worshipped him, saying, Of a truth thou art the Son of God.

Mat 26:63 But Jesus held his peace. And the high priest answered and said unto him, I adjure thee by the living God, that thou tell us whether thou be the Christ, the Son of God.

Mat 27:40 And saying, Thou that destroyest the temple, and buildest [it] in three days, save thyself. If thou be the Son of God, come down from the cross.

Mat 27:43 He trusted in God; let him deliver him now, if he will have him: for he said, I am the Son of God.

Mat 27:54 Now when the centurion, and they that were with him, watching Jesus, saw the earthquake, and those things that were done, they feared greatly, saying, Truly this was the Son of God.

Mar 1:1 The beginning of the gospel of Jesus Christ, the Son of God;

Mar 3:11 And unclean spirits, when they saw him, fell down before him, and cried, saying, Thou art the Son of God.

Mar 15:39 And when the centurion, which stood over against him, saw that he so cried out, and gave up the ghost, he said, Truly this man was the Son of God.

Luk 1:35 And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.

Luk 4:3 And the devil said unto him, If thou be the Son of God, command this stone that it be made bread.

Luk 4:9 And he brought him to Jerusalem, and set him on a pinnacle of the temple, and said unto him, If thou be the Son of God, cast thyself down from hence:

Luk 4:41 And devils also came out of many, crying out, and saying, Thou art Christ the Son of God. And he rebuking [them] suffered them not to speak: for they knew that he was Christ.

Luk 22:70 Then said they all, Art thou then the Son of God? And he said unto them, Ye say that I am.

Jhn 1:34 And I saw, and bare record that this is the Son of God.

Jhn 1:49 Nathanael answered and saith unto him, Rabbi, thou art the Son of God; thou art the King of Israel.

Jhn 5:25 Verily, verily, I say unto you, The hour is coming, and now is, when the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God: and they that hear shall live.

Jhn 9:35 Jesus heard that they had cast him out; and when he had found him, he said unto him, Dost thou believe on the Son of God?

Jhn 10:36 Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?

Jhn 11:4 When Jesus heard [that], he said, This sickness is not unto death, but for the glory of God, that the Son of God might be glorified thereby.

Jhn 11:27 She saith unto him, Yea, Lord: I believe that thou art the Christ, the Son of God, which should come into the world.

Jhn 19:7 The Jews answered him, We have a law, and by our law he ought to die, because he made himself the Son of God.

Jhn 20:31 But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name.

Act 8:37 And Philip said, If thou believest with all thine heart, thou mayest. And he answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God.

Act 9:20 And straightway he preached Christ in the synagogues, that he is the Son of God.
Rom 1:4 And declared [to be] the Son of God with power, according to the spirit of holiness, by the resurrection from the dead:

2Cr 1:19 For the Son of God, Jesus Christ, who was preached among you by us, [even] by me and Silvanus and Timotheus, was not yea and nay, but in him was yea.

Gal 2:20 I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.

Eph 4:13 Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:

Hbr 4:14 Seeing then that we have a great high priest, that is passed into the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, let us hold fast [our] profession.

Hbr 6:6 If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put [him] to an open shame.

Hbr 10:29 Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?

1Jo 3:8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.

1Jo 4:15 Whosoever shall confess that Jesus is the Son of God, God dwelleth in him, and he in God.

1Jo 5:5 Who is he that overcometh the world, but he that believeth that Jesus is the Son of God?

1Jo 5:10 He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son.

1Jo 5:12 He that hath the Son hath life; [and] he that hath not the Son of God hath not life.

1Jo 5:13 These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.

1Jo 5:20 And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, [even] in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life.

Rev 2:18 And unto the angel of the church in Thyatira write; These things saith the Son of God, who hath his eyes like unto a flame of fire, and his feet [are] like fine brass;

And, as channeled through the false prophet:

Quran Sura 19:88 They say: "(Allah) Most Gracious has begotten a son!" 89 Indeed ye have put forth a thing most monstrous!

Brother these are all your belief. What do you want me to say?
When I say beyond I mean beyond. Creator can't do the things created ones do. Kiss, sex, jump, sleep... Creator is beyond everything.
Just like, I am king of my house, I can do anything in my house.
BUT I can't drow picture on the TV screan like a baby. I am beyond that. Am I clear?

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Re: Allah - the one ... who confounds all human understanding
« Reply #103 on: March 07, 2012, 11:31:15 AM »

I already did but you want to pretend it doesn't exist, and that somehow the true fundamental followers of Muhammad - the terrorists - are wrong and you are right. But they'd be just as happy to cut your head of as a hypocrite renegade, as they would mine. Again,

Surah 9.29 Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued. 30 The Jews call 'Uzair a son of Allah, and the Christians call Christ the son of Allah. That is a saying from their mouth; (in this) they but imitate what the unbelievers of old used to say. Allah's curse be on them: how they are deluded away from the Truth!

Brother I did answer that.

No, sorry for that. I wrote wrong. I wrote Katilüllezıne instead of "utül kitübe hatta" And I am saying again it's about the pagans, not Christians and Jews. The ones who dose not believe in Creator and so on... ( The Surah 929)

Read it again.
But even more sadly, it is Satan himself - the father of lies - that has deceived you through the spirit of antichrist, to the fact that it would be just as evil to slay and subjugate pagans, as the People of the Book.

Furthermore sura 29 that you quoted from was from Muhammad's early Mecca days, and those less violent verses are abrogated by his post Hijra Medina suras that call his people to imperialistic conquest and subjugation of non-Muslims. If you read the Quran in chronological order you will see the transformation to pure evil more easily. The following link lists the chronological order.
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=609.0
More on Abrogation
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=116.0
Sura 9 that I quoted from is the second to last sura, in chronological order of "revelation", of all 114 suras, so it takes precedence over all that earlier Mecca stuff including Muhammad's "no compulsion in religion" drivel.
This is why Muhammad's TRUE FOLLOWERS have been murdering and subjugating non-Muslims all around the world for 1400 years.

Brother the is not "even if they are" in the original. And it's not sayin Ehlel Kitab

Here it is... show me the word Elel kitab in latin latters. AAAAAAAAA : )

Katilüllezıne la yü'minune billahi ve la bil yevmil ahıri ve la yühürrimune ma harremallahü ve rasulühu ve la yedınune dınel hakkı minellezıne utül kitübe hatta yu'tul cizyete ay yediv vehüm sağırun


Show me where it is.

009.029 PICKTHAL: Fight against such of those who have been given the Scripture as believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, and forbid not that which Allah hath forbidden by His messenger, and follow not the Religion of Truth, until they pay the tribute readily, being brought low.
SHAKIR: Fight those who do not believe in Allah, nor in the latter day, nor do they prohibit what Allah and His Messenger have prohibited, nor follow the religion of truth, out of those who have been given the Book, until they pay the tax in acknowledgment of superiority and they are in a state of subjection.

And it says the ones who does not believe in the eternal life and who does not believe God and who does not believe the Got and prophet's sin orders.
Which of these fixes you?
Don't you believe Allah?

Absolutely not. I do not believe in the Arabiah pagan deity Allah, because he revealed the EXACT OPPOSITE of that revealed by the ONE TRUE GOD OF THE SCRIPTURES - YHWH. Muhammad even ordered his alter-ego "Allah's" curse on Yahweh's people.

It would be pure unadulterated blasphemy for me to be forbidden by Muhammad because I would be rejecting THE WHOLE SUBJECT OF THE GOSPEL, and ALL of the prophets and witnesses of the ONE TRUE GOD YAHWEH.

Don't you believe eternal life?
Don't you believe you must get away of the sins?

Furthermore sura 29 that you quoted from was from Muhammad's early Mecca days
It is Surah 9 not 29. And except ayeth 128 and 129 They all come at Medine.

And here comes the history Brother again.

I said 18,000 deadly Islamic terror attacks around the world JUST SINCE 9-11. You see, you want to forget yesterday as well because it is too horrible for you to face. Whether the slaughter of non-Muslims or Islamic so-called "honor" killings, or the mutual murder of Sunnis and Shiites.
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/

But you ignored the WHOLE POINT which is that it is JUST AS SATANIC to slay and subjugate pagans as it is anybody else.

Are we going to talk about our side of history view? If you give me one I can give you seven. But I will not. Use internet for it. Or look at the TV news...

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Re: Allah - the one ... who confounds all human understanding
« Reply #104 on: March 07, 2012, 11:31:52 AM »


Sura 8:12 I will instill terror into the hearts of the unbelievers: smite ye above their necks and smite all their finger-tips off them

Brother, you are not reading the things I write. There is no terror word there. Even the word TERROR is about 100 years old. It says FEAR. And it's talking about the unbelievers, not you.
You just want to be afraid of Islam. Than live like that.

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Re: Allah - the one ... who confounds all human understanding
« Reply #105 on: March 07, 2012, 11:36:46 AM »
Now, if some one tells me ......

It isn't some random someone, but God Himself that tells us.

........ he has a son, no way man, I realy believe Creator is beyond everything we can imagine.

You just contradicted yourself. You said our Creator is beyond everything we can imagine, and then you limited our Creator to what YOU can imagine, while rejecting and blaspheming the way God revealed Himself to us.

1 John 2:22  Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? HE IS ANTICHRIST, THAT DENIETH the Father and THE SON. 23 WHOSOEVER DENIETH THE SON, THE SAME HATH NOT THE FATHER: [(but) he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also].

It is true scripture refers to sons of God in the Old and New Testaments. But the following verses use the definite article "the" and refer to the singular Son of God. Just as THE prophesied Son of God was foretold in these (and other) Old Testament verses:

Isaiah 9:6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

Psalms 2:7 I will declare the decree: the LORD hath said unto me, Thou [art] my Son; this day have I begotten thee.

Isaiah 7:14 Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel.

Immanuel
Old Testament Hebrew Definition:
0410 'el {ale}
shortened from 0352; TWOT - 93a; n m
AV - God 213, god 16, power 4, mighty 5, goodly 1, great 1, idols 1,
Immanuel + 06005 2, might 1, strong 1; 245
1) god, god-like one, mighty one

Confirmed in the New Testament:

Matthew 1:23 Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.

PDF tract of these verses with folding instructions: "Jesus" http://www.islamandthetruth.com/christian_testimonies.htm#tract_m4
YouTube of them:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oUUXG0z0bPE

The first verse is a Christophany where Jesus showed Himself hundreds of years before He was made manifest to the world:

Daniel 3:25 He answered and said, Lo, I see four men loose, walking in the midst of the fire, and they have no hurt; and the form of the fourth is like the Son of God.

Some verses from the New Testament:

Mat 4:3 And when the tempter came to him, he said, If thou be the Son of God, command that these stones be made bread.

Mat 4:6 And saith unto him, If thou be the Son of God, cast thyself down: for it is written, He shall give his angels charge concerning thee: and in [their] hands they shall bear thee up, lest at any time thou dash thy foot against a stone.

Mat 14:33 Then they that were in the ship came and worshipped him, saying, Of a truth thou art the Son of God.

Mat 26:63 But Jesus held his peace. And the high priest answered and said unto him, I adjure thee by the living God, that thou tell us whether thou be the Christ, the Son of God.

Mat 27:40 And saying, Thou that destroyest the temple, and buildest [it] in three days, save thyself. If thou be the Son of God, come down from the cross.

Mat 27:43 He trusted in God; let him deliver him now, if he will have him: for he said, I am the Son of God.

Mat 27:54 Now when the centurion, and they that were with him, watching Jesus, saw the earthquake, and those things that were done, they feared greatly, saying, Truly this was the Son of God.

Mar 1:1 The beginning of the gospel of Jesus Christ, the Son of God;

Mar 3:11 And unclean spirits, when they saw him, fell down before him, and cried, saying, Thou art the Son of God.

Mar 15:39 And when the centurion, which stood over against him, saw that he so cried out, and gave up the ghost, he said, Truly this man was the Son of God.

Luk 1:35 And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.

Luk 4:3 And the devil said unto him, If thou be the Son of God, command this stone that it be made bread.

Luk 4:9 And he brought him to Jerusalem, and set him on a pinnacle of the temple, and said unto him, If thou be the Son of God, cast thyself down from hence:

Luk 4:41 And devils also came out of many, crying out, and saying, Thou art Christ the Son of God. And he rebuking [them] suffered them not to speak: for they knew that he was Christ.

Luk 22:70 Then said they all, Art thou then the Son of God? And he said unto them, Ye say that I am.

Jhn 1:34 And I saw, and bare record that this is the Son of God.

Jhn 1:49 Nathanael answered and saith unto him, Rabbi, thou art the Son of God; thou art the King of Israel.

Jhn 5:25 Verily, verily, I say unto you, The hour is coming, and now is, when the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God: and they that hear shall live.

Jhn 9:35 Jesus heard that they had cast him out; and when he had found him, he said unto him, Dost thou believe on the Son of God?

Jhn 10:36 Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?

Jhn 11:4 When Jesus heard [that], he said, This sickness is not unto death, but for the glory of God, that the Son of God might be glorified thereby.

Jhn 11:27 She saith unto him, Yea, Lord: I believe that thou art the Christ, the Son of God, which should come into the world.

Jhn 19:7 The Jews answered him, We have a law, and by our law he ought to die, because he made himself the Son of God.

Jhn 20:31 But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name.

Act 8:37 And Philip said, If thou believest with all thine heart, thou mayest. And he answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God.

Act 9:20 And straightway he preached Christ in the synagogues, that he is the Son of God.
Rom 1:4 And declared [to be] the Son of God with power, according to the spirit of holiness, by the resurrection from the dead:

2Cr 1:19 For the Son of God, Jesus Christ, who was preached among you by us, [even] by me and Silvanus and Timotheus, was not yea and nay, but in him was yea.

Gal 2:20 I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.

Eph 4:13 Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:

Hbr 4:14 Seeing then that we have a great high priest, that is passed into the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, let us hold fast [our] profession.

Hbr 6:6 If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put [him] to an open shame.

Hbr 10:29 Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?

1Jo 3:8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.

1Jo 4:15 Whosoever shall confess that Jesus is the Son of God, God dwelleth in him, and he in God.

1Jo 5:5 Who is he that overcometh the world, but he that believeth that Jesus is the Son of God?

1Jo 5:10 He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son.

1Jo 5:12 He that hath the Son hath life; [and] he that hath not the Son of God hath not life.

1Jo 5:13 These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.

1Jo 5:20 And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, [even] in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life.

Rev 2:18 And unto the angel of the church in Thyatira write; These things saith the Son of God, who hath his eyes like unto a flame of fire, and his feet [are] like fine brass;

And, as channeled through the false prophet:

Quran Sura 19:88 They say: "(Allah) Most Gracious has begotten a son!" 89 Indeed ye have put forth a thing most monstrous!

Brother these are all your belief.

No. Those are just some of the verses that declare the Son of God that you blaspheme to follow Muhammad.
The most important thing to believe is that the Son of God was crucified, died and was resurrected to save us from sin through faith in His shed blood. THE WHOLE SUBJECT OF THE GOSPEL - INDEED OF THE BIBLE. Just as was prophesied so many hundreds of years in advance.
http://www.islamandthetruth.com/the_lamb_slain.htm

What do you want me to say?
When I say beyond I mean beyond. Creator can't do the things created ones do. Kiss, sex, jump, sleep... Creator is beyond everything.
Just like, I am king of my house, I can do anything in my house.
BUT I can't drow picture on the TV screan like a baby. I am beyond that. Am I clear?

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Re: Allah - the one ... who confounds all human understanding
« Reply #106 on: March 07, 2012, 11:44:51 AM »


Sura 8:12 I will instill terror into the hearts of the unbelievers: smite ye above their necks and smite all their finger-tips off them

Brother, you are not reading the things I write. There is no terror word there. Even the word TERROR is about 100 years old. It says FEAR. And it's talking about the unbelievers, not you.
You just want to be afraid of Islam. Than live like that.

Striking fear into someone's heart is what terrorism is.

terrorism
1. the use of violence and threats to intimidate or coerce, especially for political purposes.
2. the state of fear and submission produced by terrorism or terrorization.
3. a terroristic method of governing or of resisting a government.

All Islam! The terrorism of Muhammad's antichrist 7th century stand-alone, imperialistic, political death cult.
Look at just a few recent examples that I copied and pasted from the top of the page at the link below:
2012.03.07 (Tal Afar, Iraq) - Twelve people near a restaurant are obliterated in a double bomb attack by Holy Warriors.
2012.03.07 (Spin Boldak, Afghanistan) - A woman and child are among four ripped apart by a bomb planted on a motorcycle.
2012.03.06 (Karabudakhkent, Dagestan) - Five traffic cops are blown to bits by a female suicide bomber.
2012.03.06 (Bilala, Nigeria) - At least two civilians are killed as Boko Haram devotees blow up a church and a police station.
2012.03.06 (Yala, Thailand) - One member of a security team for teachers dies from a shrapnel injury to the head from a Muslim 'insurgent' bomb.
2012.03.05 (Parwan, Afghanistan) - Two children bleed to death following a suicide attack that is 'in revenge' for a Quran burning.
You see, people are made to fear. Fear being a policeman, fear being in a restaurant, fear even going outside. THAT'S TERRORISM.
Instilling terror/fear in non-Muslims is the job of every TRUE FOLLOWER of Muhammad/Satan.
Please click on the link and browse the page for more of the 18,000 deadly Islamic terror attacks just since 9-11 that are meticulously logged there.
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/

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Re: Allah - the one ... who confounds all human understanding
« Reply #107 on: March 07, 2012, 11:51:37 AM »

SHAKIR: Fight those who do not believe in Allah, nor in the latter day, nor do they prohibit what Allah and His Messenger have prohibited, nor follow the religion of truth, out of those who have been given the Book, until they pay the tax in acknowledgment of superiority and they are in a state of subjection.

See, I am not lying. It is a translation problm. Not "Ehlel kitab" it is "who have been hgiven the book" ok?

Absolutely not. I do not believe in the Arabiah pagan deity Allah, because he revealed the EXACT OPPOSITE of that revealed by the ONE TRUE GOD OF THE SCRIPTURES - YHWH. Muhammad even ordered his alter-ego "Allah's" curse on Yahweh's people.

Okay than. You don't believe in Creator. What can I do for you?
Don't expect me to do something bad to you. I don't want it AND even I want to do something to you, guess what... I am not ALLOWED to. BECAUSE WE ARE NOT FIGHTING AND SO I CAN'T FIGHT BACK. Ok?

I said 18,000 deadly Islamic terror attacks around the world JUST SINCE 9-11. You see, you want to forget yesterday as well because it is too horrible for you to face. Whether the slaughter of non-Muslims or Islamic so-called "honor" killings, or the mutual murder of Sunnis and Shiites.

Brother, it's your TV channels say it was not a Muslim thing.




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Re: Allah - the one ... who confounds all human understanding
« Reply #108 on: March 07, 2012, 11:54:12 AM »
Now, if some one tells me ......

It isn't some random someone, but God Himself that tells us.

........ he has a son, no way man, I realy believe Creator is beyond everything we can imagine.

You just contradicted yourself. You said our Creator is beyond everything we can imagine, and then you limited our Creator to what YOU can imagine, while rejecting and blaspheming the way God revealed Himself to us.

1 John 2:22  Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? HE IS ANTICHRIST, THAT DENIETH the Father and THE SON. 23 WHOSOEVER DENIETH THE SON, THE SAME HATH NOT THE FATHER: [(but) he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also].

It is true scripture refers to sons of God in the Old and New Testaments. But the following verses use the definite article "the" and refer to the singular Son of God. Just as THE prophesied Son of God was foretold in these (and other) Old Testament verses:

Isaiah 9:6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

Psalms 2:7 I will declare the decree: the LORD hath said unto me, Thou [art] my Son; this day have I begotten thee.

Isaiah 7:14 Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel.

Immanuel
Old Testament Hebrew Definition:
0410 'el {ale}
shortened from 0352; TWOT - 93a; n m
AV - God 213, god 16, power 4, mighty 5, goodly 1, great 1, idols 1,
Immanuel + 06005 2, might 1, strong 1; 245
1) god, god-like one, mighty one

Confirmed in the New Testament:

Matthew 1:23 Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.

PDF tract of these verses with folding instructions: "Jesus" http://www.islamandthetruth.com/christian_testimonies.htm#tract_m4
YouTube of them:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oUUXG0z0bPE

The first verse is a Christophany where Jesus showed Himself hundreds of years before He was made manifest to the world:

Daniel 3:25 He answered and said, Lo, I see four men loose, walking in the midst of the fire, and they have no hurt; and the form of the fourth is like the Son of God.

Some verses from the New Testament:

Mat 4:3 And when the tempter came to him, he said, If thou be the Son of God, command that these stones be made bread.

Mat 4:6 And saith unto him, If thou be the Son of God, cast thyself down: for it is written, He shall give his angels charge concerning thee: and in [their] hands they shall bear thee up, lest at any time thou dash thy foot against a stone.

Mat 14:33 Then they that were in the ship came and worshipped him, saying, Of a truth thou art the Son of God.

Mat 26:63 But Jesus held his peace. And the high priest answered and said unto him, I adjure thee by the living God, that thou tell us whether thou be the Christ, the Son of God.

Mat 27:40 And saying, Thou that destroyest the temple, and buildest [it] in three days, save thyself. If thou be the Son of God, come down from the cross.

Mat 27:43 He trusted in God; let him deliver him now, if he will have him: for he said, I am the Son of God.

Mat 27:54 Now when the centurion, and they that were with him, watching Jesus, saw the earthquake, and those things that were done, they feared greatly, saying, Truly this was the Son of God.

Mar 1:1 The beginning of the gospel of Jesus Christ, the Son of God;

Mar 3:11 And unclean spirits, when they saw him, fell down before him, and cried, saying, Thou art the Son of God.

Mar 15:39 And when the centurion, which stood over against him, saw that he so cried out, and gave up the ghost, he said, Truly this man was the Son of God.

Luk 1:35 And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.

Luk 4:3 And the devil said unto him, If thou be the Son of God, command this stone that it be made bread.

Luk 4:9 And he brought him to Jerusalem, and set him on a pinnacle of the temple, and said unto him, If thou be the Son of God, cast thyself down from hence:

Luk 4:41 And devils also came out of many, crying out, and saying, Thou art Christ the Son of God. And he rebuking [them] suffered them not to speak: for they knew that he was Christ.

Luk 22:70 Then said they all, Art thou then the Son of God? And he said unto them, Ye say that I am.

Jhn 1:34 And I saw, and bare record that this is the Son of God.

Jhn 1:49 Nathanael answered and saith unto him, Rabbi, thou art the Son of God; thou art the King of Israel.

Jhn 5:25 Verily, verily, I say unto you, The hour is coming, and now is, when the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God: and they that hear shall live.

Jhn 9:35 Jesus heard that they had cast him out; and when he had found him, he said unto him, Dost thou believe on the Son of God?

Jhn 10:36 Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?

Jhn 11:4 When Jesus heard [that], he said, This sickness is not unto death, but for the glory of God, that the Son of God might be glorified thereby.

Jhn 11:27 She saith unto him, Yea, Lord: I believe that thou art the Christ, the Son of God, which should come into the world.

Jhn 19:7 The Jews answered him, We have a law, and by our law he ought to die, because he made himself the Son of God.

Jhn 20:31 But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name.

Act 8:37 And Philip said, If thou believest with all thine heart, thou mayest. And he answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God.

Act 9:20 And straightway he preached Christ in the synagogues, that he is the Son of God.
Rom 1:4 And declared [to be] the Son of God with power, according to the spirit of holiness, by the resurrection from the dead:

2Cr 1:19 For the Son of God, Jesus Christ, who was preached among you by us, [even] by me and Silvanus and Timotheus, was not yea and nay, but in him was yea.

Gal 2:20 I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.

Eph 4:13 Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:

Hbr 4:14 Seeing then that we have a great high priest, that is passed into the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, let us hold fast [our] profession.

Hbr 6:6 If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put [him] to an open shame.

Hbr 10:29 Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?

1Jo 3:8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.

1Jo 4:15 Whosoever shall confess that Jesus is the Son of God, God dwelleth in him, and he in God.

1Jo 5:5 Who is he that overcometh the world, but he that believeth that Jesus is the Son of God?

1Jo 5:10 He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son.

1Jo 5:12 He that hath the Son hath life; [and] he that hath not the Son of God hath not life.

1Jo 5:13 These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.

1Jo 5:20 And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, [even] in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life.

Rev 2:18 And unto the angel of the church in Thyatira write; These things saith the Son of God, who hath his eyes like unto a flame of fire, and his feet [are] like fine brass;

And, as channeled through the false prophet:

Quran Sura 19:88 They say: "(Allah) Most Gracious has begotten a son!" 89 Indeed ye have put forth a thing most monstrous!

Brother these are all your belief.

No. Those are just some of the verses that declare the Son of God that you blaspheme to follow Muhammad.
The most important thing to believe is that the Son of God was crucified, died and was resurrected to save us from sin through faith in His shed blood. THE WHOLE SUBJECT OF THE GOSPEL - INDEED OF THE BIBLE. Just as was prophesied so many hundreds of years in advance.
http://www.islamandthetruth.com/the_lamb_slain.htm

What do you want me to say?
When I say beyond I mean beyond. Creator can't do the things created ones do. Kiss, sex, jump, sleep... Creator is beyond everything.
Just like, I am king of my house, I can do anything in my house.
BUT I can't drow picture on the TV screan like a baby. I am beyond that. Am I clear?

So long, I can't even think about reading it. If it is about Bible, that's not my business.

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Re: Allah - the one ... who confounds all human understanding
« Reply #109 on: March 07, 2012, 11:56:44 AM »
Now, if some one tells me ......

It isn't some random someone, but God Himself that tells us.

........ he has a son, no way man, I realy believe Creator is beyond everything we can imagine.

You just contradicted yourself. You said our Creator is beyond everything we can imagine, and then you limited our Creator to what YOU can imagine, while rejecting and blaspheming the way God revealed Himself to us.

1 John 2:22  Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? HE IS ANTICHRIST, THAT DENIETH the Father and THE SON. 23 WHOSOEVER DENIETH THE SON, THE SAME HATH NOT THE FATHER: [(but) he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also].

It is true scripture refers to sons of God in the Old and New Testaments. But the following verses use the definite article "the" and refer to the singular Son of God. Just as THE prophesied Son of God was foretold in these (and other) Old Testament verses:

Isaiah 9:6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

Psalms 2:7 I will declare the decree: the LORD hath said unto me, Thou [art] my Son; this day have I begotten thee.

Isaiah 7:14 Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel.

Immanuel
Old Testament Hebrew Definition:
0410 'el {ale}
shortened from 0352; TWOT - 93a; n m
AV - God 213, god 16, power 4, mighty 5, goodly 1, great 1, idols 1,
Immanuel + 06005 2, might 1, strong 1; 245
1) god, god-like one, mighty one

Confirmed in the New Testament:

Matthew 1:23 Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.

PDF tract of these verses with folding instructions: "Jesus" http://www.islamandthetruth.com/christian_testimonies.htm#tract_m4
YouTube of them:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oUUXG0z0bPE

The first verse is a Christophany where Jesus showed Himself hundreds of years before He was made manifest to the world:

Daniel 3:25 He answered and said, Lo, I see four men loose, walking in the midst of the fire, and they have no hurt; and the form of the fourth is like the Son of God.

Some verses from the New Testament:

Mat 4:3 And when the tempter came to him, he said, If thou be the Son of God, command that these stones be made bread.

Mat 4:6 And saith unto him, If thou be the Son of God, cast thyself down: for it is written, He shall give his angels charge concerning thee: and in [their] hands they shall bear thee up, lest at any time thou dash thy foot against a stone.

Mat 14:33 Then they that were in the ship came and worshipped him, saying, Of a truth thou art the Son of God.

Mat 26:63 But Jesus held his peace. And the high priest answered and said unto him, I adjure thee by the living God, that thou tell us whether thou be the Christ, the Son of God.

Mat 27:40 And saying, Thou that destroyest the temple, and buildest [it] in three days, save thyself. If thou be the Son of God, come down from the cross.

Mat 27:43 He trusted in God; let him deliver him now, if he will have him: for he said, I am the Son of God.

Mat 27:54 Now when the centurion, and they that were with him, watching Jesus, saw the earthquake, and those things that were done, they feared greatly, saying, Truly this was the Son of God.

Mar 1:1 The beginning of the gospel of Jesus Christ, the Son of God;

Mar 3:11 And unclean spirits, when they saw him, fell down before him, and cried, saying, Thou art the Son of God.

Mar 15:39 And when the centurion, which stood over against him, saw that he so cried out, and gave up the ghost, he said, Truly this man was the Son of God.

Luk 1:35 And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.

Luk 4:3 And the devil said unto him, If thou be the Son of God, command this stone that it be made bread.

Luk 4:9 And he brought him to Jerusalem, and set him on a pinnacle of the temple, and said unto him, If thou be the Son of God, cast thyself down from hence:

Luk 4:41 And devils also came out of many, crying out, and saying, Thou art Christ the Son of God. And he rebuking [them] suffered them not to speak: for they knew that he was Christ.

Luk 22:70 Then said they all, Art thou then the Son of God? And he said unto them, Ye say that I am.

Jhn 1:34 And I saw, and bare record that this is the Son of God.

Jhn 1:49 Nathanael answered and saith unto him, Rabbi, thou art the Son of God; thou art the King of Israel.

Jhn 5:25 Verily, verily, I say unto you, The hour is coming, and now is, when the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God: and they that hear shall live.

Jhn 9:35 Jesus heard that they had cast him out; and when he had found him, he said unto him, Dost thou believe on the Son of God?

Jhn 10:36 Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?

Jhn 11:4 When Jesus heard [that], he said, This sickness is not unto death, but for the glory of God, that the Son of God might be glorified thereby.

Jhn 11:27 She saith unto him, Yea, Lord: I believe that thou art the Christ, the Son of God, which should come into the world.

Jhn 19:7 The Jews answered him, We have a law, and by our law he ought to die, because he made himself the Son of God.

Jhn 20:31 But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name.

Act 8:37 And Philip said, If thou believest with all thine heart, thou mayest. And he answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God.

Act 9:20 And straightway he preached Christ in the synagogues, that he is the Son of God.
Rom 1:4 And declared [to be] the Son of God with power, according to the spirit of holiness, by the resurrection from the dead:

2Cr 1:19 For the Son of God, Jesus Christ, who was preached among you by us, [even] by me and Silvanus and Timotheus, was not yea and nay, but in him was yea.

Gal 2:20 I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.

Eph 4:13 Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:

Hbr 4:14 Seeing then that we have a great high priest, that is passed into the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, let us hold fast [our] profession.

Hbr 6:6 If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put [him] to an open shame.

Hbr 10:29 Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?

1Jo 3:8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.

1Jo 4:15 Whosoever shall confess that Jesus is the Son of God, God dwelleth in him, and he in God.

1Jo 5:5 Who is he that overcometh the world, but he that believeth that Jesus is the Son of God?

1Jo 5:10 He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son.

1Jo 5:12 He that hath the Son hath life; [and] he that hath not the Son of God hath not life.

1Jo 5:13 These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.

1Jo 5:20 And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, [even] in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life.

Rev 2:18 And unto the angel of the church in Thyatira write; These things saith the Son of God, who hath his eyes like unto a flame of fire, and his feet [are] like fine brass;

And, as channeled through the false prophet:

Quran Sura 19:88 They say: "(Allah) Most Gracious has begotten a son!" 89 Indeed ye have put forth a thing most monstrous!

Brother these are all your belief.

No. Those are just some of the verses that declare the Son of God that you blaspheme to follow Muhammad.
The most important thing to believe is that the Son of God was crucified, died and was resurrected to save us from sin through faith in His shed blood. THE WHOLE SUBJECT OF THE GOSPEL - INDEED OF THE BIBLE. Just as was prophesied so many hundreds of years in advance.
http://www.islamandthetruth.com/the_lamb_slain.htm

What do you want me to say?
When I say beyond I mean beyond. Creator can't do the things created ones do. Kiss, sex, jump, sleep... Creator is beyond everything.
Just like, I am king of my house, I can do anything in my house.
BUT I can't drow picture on the TV screan like a baby. I am beyond that. Am I clear?

So long, I can't even think about reading it. If it is about Bible, that's not my business.

That's right because you must reject the one true God of the bible, to follow the father of lies, through his prophet Muhammad's stand-alone 23 year 7th century record who professed the exact opposite of the whole subject of the Gospel.

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Re: Allah - the one ... who confounds all human understanding
« Reply #110 on: March 07, 2012, 11:57:16 AM »


Sura 8:12 I will instill terror into the hearts of the unbelievers: smite ye above their necks and smite all their finger-tips off them

Brother, you are not reading the things I write. There is no terror word there. Even the word TERROR is about 100 years old. It says FEAR. And it's talking about the unbelievers, not you.
You just want to be afraid of Islam. Than live like that.

Striking fear into someone's heart is what terrorism is.

terrorism
1. the use of violence and threats to intimidate or coerce, especially for political purposes.
2. the state of fear and submission produced by terrorism or terrorization.
3. a terroristic method of governing or of resisting a government.

All Islam! The terrorism of Muhammad's antichrist 7th century stand-alone, imperialistic, political death cult.
Look at just a few recent examples that I copied and pasted from the top of the page at the link below:
2012.03.07 (Tal Afar, Iraq) - Twelve people near a restaurant are obliterated in a double bomb attack by Holy Warriors.
2012.03.07 (Spin Boldak, Afghanistan) - A woman and child are among four ripped apart by a bomb planted on a motorcycle.
2012.03.06 (Karabudakhkent, Dagestan) - Five traffic cops are blown to bits by a female suicide bomber.
2012.03.06 (Bilala, Nigeria) - At least two civilians are killed as Boko Haram devotees blow up a church and a police station.
2012.03.06 (Yala, Thailand) - One member of a security team for teachers dies from a shrapnel injury to the head from a Muslim 'insurgent' bomb.
2012.03.05 (Parwan, Afghanistan) - Two children bleed to death following a suicide attack that is 'in revenge' for a Quran burning.
You see, people are made to fear. Fear being a policeman, fear being in a restaurant, fear even going outside. THAT'S TERRORISM.
Instilling terror/fear in non-Muslims is the job of every TRUE FOLLOWER of Muhammad/Satan.
Please click on the link and browse the page for more of the 18,000 deadly Islamic terror attacks just since 9-11 that are meticulously logged there.
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/

Now you are striking fear into my heart. What are you now?

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Re: Allah - the one ... who confounds all human understanding
« Reply #111 on: March 07, 2012, 11:59:37 AM »
Now, if some one tells me ......

It isn't some random someone, but God Himself that tells us.

........ he has a son, no way man, I realy believe Creator is beyond everything we can imagine.

You just contradicted yourself. You said our Creator is beyond everything we can imagine, and then you limited our Creator to what YOU can imagine, while rejecting and blaspheming the way God revealed Himself to us.

1 John 2:22  Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? HE IS ANTICHRIST, THAT DENIETH the Father and THE SON. 23 WHOSOEVER DENIETH THE SON, THE SAME HATH NOT THE FATHER: [(but) he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also].

It is true scripture refers to sons of God in the Old and New Testaments. But the following verses use the definite article "the" and refer to the singular Son of God. Just as THE prophesied Son of God was foretold in these (and other) Old Testament verses:

Isaiah 9:6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

Psalms 2:7 I will declare the decree: the LORD hath said unto me, Thou [art] my Son; this day have I begotten thee.

Isaiah 7:14 Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel.

Immanuel
Old Testament Hebrew Definition:
0410 'el {ale}
shortened from 0352; TWOT - 93a; n m
AV - God 213, god 16, power 4, mighty 5, goodly 1, great 1, idols 1,
Immanuel + 06005 2, might 1, strong 1; 245
1) god, god-like one, mighty one

Confirmed in the New Testament:

Matthew 1:23 Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.

PDF tract of these verses with folding instructions: "Jesus" http://www.islamandthetruth.com/christian_testimonies.htm#tract_m4
YouTube of them:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oUUXG0z0bPE

The first verse is a Christophany where Jesus showed Himself hundreds of years before He was made manifest to the world:

Daniel 3:25 He answered and said, Lo, I see four men loose, walking in the midst of the fire, and they have no hurt; and the form of the fourth is like the Son of God.

Some verses from the New Testament:

Mat 4:3 And when the tempter came to him, he said, If thou be the Son of God, command that these stones be made bread.

Mat 4:6 And saith unto him, If thou be the Son of God, cast thyself down: for it is written, He shall give his angels charge concerning thee: and in [their] hands they shall bear thee up, lest at any time thou dash thy foot against a stone.

Mat 14:33 Then they that were in the ship came and worshipped him, saying, Of a truth thou art the Son of God.

Mat 26:63 But Jesus held his peace. And the high priest answered and said unto him, I adjure thee by the living God, that thou tell us whether thou be the Christ, the Son of God.

Mat 27:40 And saying, Thou that destroyest the temple, and buildest [it] in three days, save thyself. If thou be the Son of God, come down from the cross.

Mat 27:43 He trusted in God; let him deliver him now, if he will have him: for he said, I am the Son of God.

Mat 27:54 Now when the centurion, and they that were with him, watching Jesus, saw the earthquake, and those things that were done, they feared greatly, saying, Truly this was the Son of God.

Mar 1:1 The beginning of the gospel of Jesus Christ, the Son of God;

Mar 3:11 And unclean spirits, when they saw him, fell down before him, and cried, saying, Thou art the Son of God.

Mar 15:39 And when the centurion, which stood over against him, saw that he so cried out, and gave up the ghost, he said, Truly this man was the Son of God.

Luk 1:35 And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.

Luk 4:3 And the devil said unto him, If thou be the Son of God, command this stone that it be made bread.

Luk 4:9 And he brought him to Jerusalem, and set him on a pinnacle of the temple, and said unto him, If thou be the Son of God, cast thyself down from hence:

Luk 4:41 And devils also came out of many, crying out, and saying, Thou art Christ the Son of God. And he rebuking [them] suffered them not to speak: for they knew that he was Christ.

Luk 22:70 Then said they all, Art thou then the Son of God? And he said unto them, Ye say that I am.

Jhn 1:34 And I saw, and bare record that this is the Son of God.

Jhn 1:49 Nathanael answered and saith unto him, Rabbi, thou art the Son of God; thou art the King of Israel.

Jhn 5:25 Verily, verily, I say unto you, The hour is coming, and now is, when the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God: and they that hear shall live.

Jhn 9:35 Jesus heard that they had cast him out; and when he had found him, he said unto him, Dost thou believe on the Son of God?

Jhn 10:36 Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?

Jhn 11:4 When Jesus heard [that], he said, This sickness is not unto death, but for the glory of God, that the Son of God might be glorified thereby.

Jhn 11:27 She saith unto him, Yea, Lord: I believe that thou art the Christ, the Son of God, which should come into the world.

Jhn 19:7 The Jews answered him, We have a law, and by our law he ought to die, because he made himself the Son of God.

Jhn 20:31 But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name.

Act 8:37 And Philip said, If thou believest with all thine heart, thou mayest. And he answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God.

Act 9:20 And straightway he preached Christ in the synagogues, that he is the Son of God.
Rom 1:4 And declared [to be] the Son of God with power, according to the spirit of holiness, by the resurrection from the dead:

2Cr 1:19 For the Son of God, Jesus Christ, who was preached among you by us, [even] by me and Silvanus and Timotheus, was not yea and nay, but in him was yea.

Gal 2:20 I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.

Eph 4:13 Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:

Hbr 4:14 Seeing then that we have a great high priest, that is passed into the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, let us hold fast [our] profession.

Hbr 6:6 If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put [him] to an open shame.

Hbr 10:29 Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?

1Jo 3:8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.

1Jo 4:15 Whosoever shall confess that Jesus is the Son of God, God dwelleth in him, and he in God.

1Jo 5:5 Who is he that overcometh the world, but he that believeth that Jesus is the Son of God?

1Jo 5:10 He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son.

1Jo 5:12 He that hath the Son hath life; [and] he that hath not the Son of God hath not life.

1Jo 5:13 These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.

1Jo 5:20 And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, [even] in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life.

Rev 2:18 And unto the angel of the church in Thyatira write; These things saith the Son of God, who hath his eyes like unto a flame of fire, and his feet [are] like fine brass;

And, as channeled through the false prophet:

Quran Sura 19:88 They say: "(Allah) Most Gracious has begotten a son!" 89 Indeed ye have put forth a thing most monstrous!

Brother these are all your belief.

No. Those are just some of the verses that declare the Son of God that you blaspheme to follow Muhammad.
The most important thing to believe is that the Son of God was crucified, died and was resurrected to save us from sin through faith in His shed blood. THE WHOLE SUBJECT OF THE GOSPEL - INDEED OF THE BIBLE. Just as was prophesied so many hundreds of years in advance.
http://www.islamandthetruth.com/the_lamb_slain.htm

What do you want me to say?
When I say beyond I mean beyond. Creator can't do the things created ones do. Kiss, sex, jump, sleep... Creator is beyond everything.
Just like, I am king of my house, I can do anything in my house.
BUT I can't drow picture on the TV screan like a baby. I am beyond that. Am I clear?

So long, I can't even think about reading it. If it is about Bible, that's not my business.

That's right because you must reject the one true God of the bible, to follow the father of lies, through his prophet Muhammad's stand-alone 23 year 7th century record that professed the exact opposite of the whole subject of the Gospel.

That's right. I believe in only one Allah. And Hz.Muhammed is Allah's prophet :)
« Last Edit: March 07, 2012, 12:01:43 PM by Bornao »

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Re: Allah - the one ... who confounds all human understanding
« Reply #112 on: March 07, 2012, 12:01:12 PM »


Sura 8:12 I will instill terror into the hearts of the unbelievers: smite ye above their necks and smite all their finger-tips off them

Brother, you are not reading the things I write. There is no terror word there. Even the word TERROR is about 100 years old. It says FEAR. And it's talking about the unbelievers, not you.
You just want to be afraid of Islam. Than live like that.

Striking fear into someone's heart is what terrorism is.

terrorism
1. the use of violence and threats to intimidate or coerce, especially for political purposes.
2. the state of fear and submission produced by terrorism or terrorization.
3. a terroristic method of governing or of resisting a government.

All Islam! The terrorism of Muhammad's antichrist 7th century stand-alone, imperialistic, political death cult.
Look at just a few recent examples that I copied and pasted from the top of the page at the link below:
2012.03.07 (Tal Afar, Iraq) - Twelve people near a restaurant are obliterated in a double bomb attack by Holy Warriors.
2012.03.07 (Spin Boldak, Afghanistan) - A woman and child are among four ripped apart by a bomb planted on a motorcycle.
2012.03.06 (Karabudakhkent, Dagestan) - Five traffic cops are blown to bits by a female suicide bomber.
2012.03.06 (Bilala, Nigeria) - At least two civilians are killed as Boko Haram devotees blow up a church and a police station.
2012.03.06 (Yala, Thailand) - One member of a security team for teachers dies from a shrapnel injury to the head from a Muslim 'insurgent' bomb.
2012.03.05 (Parwan, Afghanistan) - Two children bleed to death following a suicide attack that is 'in revenge' for a Quran burning.
You see, people are made to fear. Fear being a policeman, fear being in a restaurant, fear even going outside. THAT'S TERRORISM.
Instilling terror/fear in non-Muslims is the job of every TRUE FOLLOWER of Muhammad/Satan.
Please click on the link and browse the page for more of the 18,000 deadly Islamic terror attacks just since 9-11 that are meticulously logged there.
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/

Now you are striking fear into my heart. What are you now?

I'm in the Eastern U.S..
Why would that strike fear into your heart? You are on the side of the murderers that are doing their best to follow Muhammad as revealed through his Quran.

Sura 9.111 Allah hath purchased of the believers their persons and their goods; for theirs (in return) is the garden (of Paradise): they fight in His cause, and slay and are slain: a promise binding on Him in truth, through the Law, the Gospel, and the Qur'an: and who is more faithful to his covenant than Allah. then rejoice in the bargain which ye have concluded: that is the achievement supreme.

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Re: Allah - the one ... who confounds all human understanding
« Reply #113 on: March 07, 2012, 12:06:23 PM »
Now, if some one tells me ......

It isn't some random someone, but God Himself that tells us.

........ he has a son, no way man, I realy believe Creator is beyond everything we can imagine.

You just contradicted yourself. You said our Creator is beyond everything we can imagine, and then you limited our Creator to what YOU can imagine, while rejecting and blaspheming the way God revealed Himself to us.

1 John 2:22  Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? HE IS ANTICHRIST, THAT DENIETH the Father and THE SON. 23 WHOSOEVER DENIETH THE SON, THE SAME HATH NOT THE FATHER: [(but) he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also].

It is true scripture refers to sons of God in the Old and New Testaments. But the following verses use the definite article "the" and refer to the singular Son of God. Just as THE prophesied Son of God was foretold in these (and other) Old Testament verses:

Isaiah 9:6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

Psalms 2:7 I will declare the decree: the LORD hath said unto me, Thou [art] my Son; this day have I begotten thee.

Isaiah 7:14 Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel.

Immanuel
Old Testament Hebrew Definition:
0410 'el {ale}
shortened from 0352; TWOT - 93a; n m
AV - God 213, god 16, power 4, mighty 5, goodly 1, great 1, idols 1,
Immanuel + 06005 2, might 1, strong 1; 245
1) god, god-like one, mighty one

Confirmed in the New Testament:

Matthew 1:23 Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.

PDF tract of these verses with folding instructions: "Jesus" http://www.islamandthetruth.com/christian_testimonies.htm#tract_m4
YouTube of them:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oUUXG0z0bPE

The first verse is a Christophany where Jesus showed Himself hundreds of years before He was made manifest to the world:

Daniel 3:25 He answered and said, Lo, I see four men loose, walking in the midst of the fire, and they have no hurt; and the form of the fourth is like the Son of God.

Some verses from the New Testament:

Mat 4:3 And when the tempter came to him, he said, If thou be the Son of God, command that these stones be made bread.

Mat 4:6 And saith unto him, If thou be the Son of God, cast thyself down: for it is written, He shall give his angels charge concerning thee: and in [their] hands they shall bear thee up, lest at any time thou dash thy foot against a stone.

Mat 14:33 Then they that were in the ship came and worshipped him, saying, Of a truth thou art the Son of God.

Mat 26:63 But Jesus held his peace. And the high priest answered and said unto him, I adjure thee by the living God, that thou tell us whether thou be the Christ, the Son of God.

Mat 27:40 And saying, Thou that destroyest the temple, and buildest [it] in three days, save thyself. If thou be the Son of God, come down from the cross.

Mat 27:43 He trusted in God; let him deliver him now, if he will have him: for he said, I am the Son of God.

Mat 27:54 Now when the centurion, and they that were with him, watching Jesus, saw the earthquake, and those things that were done, they feared greatly, saying, Truly this was the Son of God.

Mar 1:1 The beginning of the gospel of Jesus Christ, the Son of God;

Mar 3:11 And unclean spirits, when they saw him, fell down before him, and cried, saying, Thou art the Son of God.

Mar 15:39 And when the centurion, which stood over against him, saw that he so cried out, and gave up the ghost, he said, Truly this man was the Son of God.

Luk 1:35 And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.

Luk 4:3 And the devil said unto him, If thou be the Son of God, command this stone that it be made bread.

Luk 4:9 And he brought him to Jerusalem, and set him on a pinnacle of the temple, and said unto him, If thou be the Son of God, cast thyself down from hence:

Luk 4:41 And devils also came out of many, crying out, and saying, Thou art Christ the Son of God. And he rebuking [them] suffered them not to speak: for they knew that he was Christ.

Luk 22:70 Then said they all, Art thou then the Son of God? And he said unto them, Ye say that I am.

Jhn 1:34 And I saw, and bare record that this is the Son of God.

Jhn 1:49 Nathanael answered and saith unto him, Rabbi, thou art the Son of God; thou art the King of Israel.

Jhn 5:25 Verily, verily, I say unto you, The hour is coming, and now is, when the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God: and they that hear shall live.

Jhn 9:35 Jesus heard that they had cast him out; and when he had found him, he said unto him, Dost thou believe on the Son of God?

Jhn 10:36 Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?

Jhn 11:4 When Jesus heard [that], he said, This sickness is not unto death, but for the glory of God, that the Son of God might be glorified thereby.

Jhn 11:27 She saith unto him, Yea, Lord: I believe that thou art the Christ, the Son of God, which should come into the world.

Jhn 19:7 The Jews answered him, We have a law, and by our law he ought to die, because he made himself the Son of God.

Jhn 20:31 But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name.

Act 8:37 And Philip said, If thou believest with all thine heart, thou mayest. And he answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God.

Act 9:20 And straightway he preached Christ in the synagogues, that he is the Son of God.
Rom 1:4 And declared [to be] the Son of God with power, according to the spirit of holiness, by the resurrection from the dead:

2Cr 1:19 For the Son of God, Jesus Christ, who was preached among you by us, [even] by me and Silvanus and Timotheus, was not yea and nay, but in him was yea.

Gal 2:20 I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.

Eph 4:13 Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:

Hbr 4:14 Seeing then that we have a great high priest, that is passed into the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, let us hold fast [our] profession.

Hbr 6:6 If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put [him] to an open shame.

Hbr 10:29 Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?

1Jo 3:8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.

1Jo 4:15 Whosoever shall confess that Jesus is the Son of God, God dwelleth in him, and he in God.

1Jo 5:5 Who is he that overcometh the world, but he that believeth that Jesus is the Son of God?

1Jo 5:10 He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son.

1Jo 5:12 He that hath the Son hath life; [and] he that hath not the Son of God hath not life.

1Jo 5:13 These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.

1Jo 5:20 And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, [even] in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life.

Rev 2:18 And unto the angel of the church in Thyatira write; These things saith the Son of God, who hath his eyes like unto a flame of fire, and his feet [are] like fine brass;

And, as channeled through the false prophet:

Quran Sura 19:88 They say: "(Allah) Most Gracious has begotten a son!" 89 Indeed ye have put forth a thing most monstrous!

Brother these are all your belief.

No. Those are just some of the verses that declare the Son of God that you blaspheme to follow Muhammad.
The most important thing to believe is that the Son of God was crucified, died and was resurrected to save us from sin through faith in His shed blood. THE WHOLE SUBJECT OF THE GOSPEL - INDEED OF THE BIBLE. Just as was prophesied so many hundreds of years in advance.
http://www.islamandthetruth.com/the_lamb_slain.htm

What do you want me to say?
When I say beyond I mean beyond. Creator can't do the things created ones do. Kiss, sex, jump, sleep... Creator is beyond everything.
Just like, I am king of my house, I can do anything in my house.
BUT I can't drow picture on the TV screan like a baby. I am beyond that. Am I clear?

So long, I can't even think about reading it. If it is about Bible, that's not my business.

That's right because you must reject the one true God of the bible, to follow the father of lies, through his prophet Muhammad's stand-alone 23 year 7th century record that professed the exact opposite of the whole subject of the Gospel.

That's right. I believe in only one Allah.

The Quraish pagan's deity who curses Yahweh's people.
I believe in THE ONE TRUE GOD - YHWH
Mark 12:29 ... The Lord our God is one Lord: ... 32 ... for there is one God; and there is none other but he:

And Hz.Muhammed is Allah's prophet :)

I agree with that because what you have been shown is that the Quraish pagan's "Allah" is another name for Satan - the father of lies. The demon that met Muhammad in the cave.

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Re: Allah - the one ... who confounds all human understanding
« Reply #114 on: March 07, 2012, 12:10:39 PM »


Sura 8:12 I will instill terror into the hearts of the unbelievers: smite ye above their necks and smite all their finger-tips off them

Brother, you are not reading the things I write. There is no terror word there. Even the word TERROR is about 100 years old. It says FEAR. And it's talking about the unbelievers, not you.
You just want to be afraid of Islam. Than live like that.

Striking fear into someone's heart is what terrorism is.

terrorism
1. the use of violence and threats to intimidate or coerce, especially for political purposes.
2. the state of fear and submission produced by terrorism or terrorization.
3. a terroristic method of governing or of resisting a government.

All Islam! The terrorism of Muhammad's antichrist 7th century stand-alone, imperialistic, political death cult.
Look at just a few recent examples that I copied and pasted from the top of the page at the link below:
2012.03.07 (Tal Afar, Iraq) - Twelve people near a restaurant are obliterated in a double bomb attack by Holy Warriors.
2012.03.07 (Spin Boldak, Afghanistan) - A woman and child are among four ripped apart by a bomb planted on a motorcycle.
2012.03.06 (Karabudakhkent, Dagestan) - Five traffic cops are blown to bits by a female suicide bomber.
2012.03.06 (Bilala, Nigeria) - At least two civilians are killed as Boko Haram devotees blow up a church and a police station.
2012.03.06 (Yala, Thailand) - One member of a security team for teachers dies from a shrapnel injury to the head from a Muslim 'insurgent' bomb.
2012.03.05 (Parwan, Afghanistan) - Two children bleed to death following a suicide attack that is 'in revenge' for a Quran burning.
You see, people are made to fear. Fear being a policeman, fear being in a restaurant, fear even going outside. THAT'S TERRORISM.
Instilling terror/fear in non-Muslims is the job of every TRUE FOLLOWER of Muhammad/Satan.
Please click on the link and browse the page for more of the 18,000 deadly Islamic terror attacks just since 9-11 that are meticulously logged there.
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/

Now you are striking fear into my heart. What are you now?

I'm in the Eastern U.S..
Why would that strike fear into your heart? You are on the side of the murderers that are doing their best to follow Muhammad as revealed through his Quran.

Sura 9.111 Allah hath purchased of the believers their persons and their goods; for theirs (in return) is the garden (of Paradise): they fight in His cause, and slay and are slain: a promise binding on Him in truth, through the Law, the Gospel, and the Qur'an: and who is more faithful to his covenant than Allah. then rejoice in the bargain which ye have concluded: that is the achievement supreme.

Look at the things you wrote. They are all up. Your posts are full off hate. Count how many times you wrote liar. All I say ask me about the Quran. If I know the answer I give it. If you don't want me here than I go. It's very easy to say it.

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« Reply #115 on: March 07, 2012, 12:19:01 PM »


Sura 8:12 I will instill terror into the hearts of the unbelievers: smite ye above their necks and smite all their finger-tips off them

Brother, you are not reading the things I write. There is no terror word there. Even the word TERROR is about 100 years old. It says FEAR. And it's talking about the unbelievers, not you.
You just want to be afraid of Islam. Than live like that.

Striking fear into someone's heart is what terrorism is.

terrorism
1. the use of violence and threats to intimidate or coerce, especially for political purposes.
2. the state of fear and submission produced by terrorism or terrorization.
3. a terroristic method of governing or of resisting a government.

All Islam! The terrorism of Muhammad's antichrist 7th century stand-alone, imperialistic, political death cult.
Look at just a few recent examples that I copied and pasted from the top of the page at the link below:
2012.03.07 (Tal Afar, Iraq) - Twelve people near a restaurant are obliterated in a double bomb attack by Holy Warriors.
2012.03.07 (Spin Boldak, Afghanistan) - A woman and child are among four ripped apart by a bomb planted on a motorcycle.
2012.03.06 (Karabudakhkent, Dagestan) - Five traffic cops are blown to bits by a female suicide bomber.
2012.03.06 (Bilala, Nigeria) - At least two civilians are killed as Boko Haram devotees blow up a church and a police station.
2012.03.06 (Yala, Thailand) - One member of a security team for teachers dies from a shrapnel injury to the head from a Muslim 'insurgent' bomb.
2012.03.05 (Parwan, Afghanistan) - Two children bleed to death following a suicide attack that is 'in revenge' for a Quran burning.
You see, people are made to fear. Fear being a policeman, fear being in a restaurant, fear even going outside. THAT'S TERRORISM.
Instilling terror/fear in non-Muslims is the job of every TRUE FOLLOWER of Muhammad/Satan.
Please click on the link and browse the page for more of the 18,000 deadly Islamic terror attacks just since 9-11 that are meticulously logged there.
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/

Now you are striking fear into my heart. What are you now?

I'm in the Eastern U.S..
Why would that strike fear into your heart? You are on the side of the murderers that are doing their best to follow Muhammad as revealed through his Quran.

Sura 9.111 Allah hath purchased of the believers their persons and their goods; for theirs (in return) is the garden (of Paradise): they fight in His cause, and slay and are slain: a promise binding on Him in truth, through the Law, the Gospel, and the Qur'an: and who is more faithful to his covenant than Allah. then rejoice in the bargain which ye have concluded: that is the achievement supreme.

Look at the things you wrote. They are all up. Your posts are full off hate. Count how many times you wrote liar.

It's true I do hate lies, just as I hate the father of lies.

Jhn 8:44...He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

I spent so much time with you because I wanted you to see who Muhammad followed.
Tell me which of the times I used the term liar was incorrect or false according to facts of the instance, and according to the one true God of the bible.

1Jo 5:10 He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son.

All I say ask me about the Quran. If I know the answer I give it. If you don't want me here than I go. It's very easy to say it.

Way back when you offered that, I told you that as a Christian I only need a single verse from the Quran to understand that Muhammad proclaimed the exact opposite of the whole subject of the Gospel.

Surah 4:157 That they said (in boast), "We killed Christ Jesus the son of Mary, the Messenger of Allah";- but they killed him not, nor crucified him, but so it was made to appear to them, and those who differ therein are full of doubts, with no (certain) knowledge, but only conjecture to follow, for of a surety they killed him not:-

I've read the Quran. Have you read the Gospel? How much respect for me are you showing if you haven't even read my book - the Gospel - that even Muhammad told me to judge by?
http://www.islamandthetruth.com/gospel_of_john.htm

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« Reply #116 on: March 07, 2012, 12:33:49 PM »
Bornao,

If I recall correctly you are from Turkey. Correct? Do you think you would be a muslim now if Islam had not conquered Turkey in the first century of Islam's existence? Why do you believe they were conquering in the first place?

Brother, you have no idea how many times I sad there is no got. And what I believe, (Allah knows best) saying I am muslim is not enough. I also believe saying I am Christian is not enough. You have to obey the rules of your belief. Look at your book and do what the prophets ordered to do. Circumcision, prey, baptism, don't drink alchol, no sex between single people, don't marry and divorce like you are dating ect...
(I am not saying you are doing bad things, these are my thoughts)

As a man who sad the is no God, my answer is, yes. I think I was going to be Muslim again. And brother, maybe you are interested, what I see atheists does not choosing Christianty as a religion here. Let me expain like that: When a Christian says to an unbeliever, "God has a son", it looks like a myth, like Greek Gods. You lisen to them in patient and strat counting the seconds and wait till he changes the  subject. Brother you know what, Atheist do believe in the Creator. But can't shape it. There is something deep inside telling there is something, but can't, can't, can't shape it. Even you catch a shape what you see is your imagination. Let me explain you like that. Lets say you don't believe anything and close your eyes. Go back in the time when there wasn't time. Nothing, just nothing around. Even your imagination is not there. What you find is nothing. If there is something in the very begining, you can't even call it something. It has no and and no begining. It is beyond the time and beyond everything you can imagine.
Now, if some one tells me he has a son, no way man, I realy believe Creator is beyond everything we can imagine. The angels, even the prophets are not close to him.
Don't tell me having a son doesn't make God less, and he can do anything he wants, than I ask:
Can he create a rock which he can't lift?

You are missing the point of my question. You insist that offensive war is not intrinsic to Islam but the problem with this view is that the country you live in and its' history is a witness against you. Turkey was once a Christian populated nation. It was conquered by the Caliphs during the first century of Islam's existence. Why do you believe they were invading and conquering those lands?
Doth that man love his Lord who would be willing to see Jesus wearing a crown of thorns, while for himself he craves a chaplet of laurel? Shall Jesus ascend to his throne by the cross, and do we expect to be carried there on the shoulders of applauding crowds? Charles H. Spurgeon

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Re: Allah - the one ... who confounds all human understanding
« Reply #117 on: March 07, 2012, 12:33:59 PM »


Sura 8:12 I will instill terror into the hearts of the unbelievers: smite ye above their necks and smite all their finger-tips off them

Brother, you are not reading the things I write. There is no terror word there. Even the word TERROR is about 100 years old. It says FEAR. And it's talking about the unbelievers, not you.
You just want to be afraid of Islam. Than live like that.

Striking fear into someone's heart is what terrorism is.

terrorism
1. the use of violence and threats to intimidate or coerce, especially for political purposes.
2. the state of fear and submission produced by terrorism or terrorization.
3. a terroristic method of governing or of resisting a government.

All Islam! The terrorism of Muhammad's antichrist 7th century stand-alone, imperialistic, political death cult.
Look at just a few recent examples that I copied and pasted from the top of the page at the link below:
2012.03.07 (Tal Afar, Iraq) - Twelve people near a restaurant are obliterated in a double bomb attack by Holy Warriors.
2012.03.07 (Spin Boldak, Afghanistan) - A woman and child are among four ripped apart by a bomb planted on a motorcycle.
2012.03.06 (Karabudakhkent, Dagestan) - Five traffic cops are blown to bits by a female suicide bomber.
2012.03.06 (Bilala, Nigeria) - At least two civilians are killed as Boko Haram devotees blow up a church and a police station.
2012.03.06 (Yala, Thailand) - One member of a security team for teachers dies from a shrapnel injury to the head from a Muslim 'insurgent' bomb.
2012.03.05 (Parwan, Afghanistan) - Two children bleed to death following a suicide attack that is 'in revenge' for a Quran burning.
You see, people are made to fear. Fear being a policeman, fear being in a restaurant, fear even going outside. THAT'S TERRORISM.
Instilling terror/fear in non-Muslims is the job of every TRUE FOLLOWER of Muhammad/Satan.
Please click on the link and browse the page for more of the 18,000 deadly Islamic terror attacks just since 9-11 that are meticulously logged there.
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/

Now you are striking fear into my heart. What are you now?

I'm in the Eastern U.S..
Why would that strike fear into your heart? You are on the side of the murderers that are doing their best to follow Muhammad as revealed through his Quran.

Sura 9.111 Allah hath purchased of the believers their persons and their goods; for theirs (in return) is the garden (of Paradise): they fight in His cause, and slay and are slain: a promise binding on Him in truth, through the Law, the Gospel, and the Qur'an: and who is more faithful to his covenant than Allah. then rejoice in the bargain which ye have concluded: that is the achievement supreme.

Look at the things you wrote. They are all up. Your posts are full off hate.

But when I showed you the love of God at this link you just ignored it.
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=3098.msg12575#msg12575

Count how many times you wrote liar.

I was just being honest with you. It's true I do hate lies, just as I hate the father of lies.

Jhn 8:44...He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

I spent so much time with you because I wanted you to see who the evidence shows, that Muhammad followed. Tell me which of the times I used the term liar was incorrect or false, according to facts of the instance, or according to the one true God of the bible.

1Jo 5:10 He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son.

All I say ask me about the Quran. If I know the answer I give it. If you don't want me here than I go. It's very easy to say it.

Way back when you offered that, I told you that as a Christian I only needs a single verse from the Quran to understand that Muhammad proclaimed the exact opposite of the whole subject of the Gospel.

Surah 4:157 That they said (in boast), "We killed Christ Jesus the son of Mary, the Messenger of Allah";- but they killed him not, nor crucified him, but so it was made to appear to them, and those who differ therein are full of doubts, with no (certain) knowledge, but only conjecture to follow, for of a surety they killed him not:-

That the Quran is the exact opposite of the Gospel is confirmed over and over throughout these pages we have labored over with you.
I've read the Quran. Have you read the Gospel? How much respect for me are you showing if you haven't even read my book - the Gospel - that even Muhammad told me to judge by?
http://www.islamandthetruth.com/gospel_of_john.htm

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« Reply #118 on: March 07, 2012, 12:39:35 PM »


Sura 8:12 I will instill terror into the hearts of the unbelievers: smite ye above their necks and smite all their finger-tips off them

Brother, you are not reading the things I write. There is no terror word there. Even the word TERROR is about 100 years old. It says FEAR. And it's talking about the unbelievers, not you.
You just want to be afraid of Islam. Than live like that.

Striking fear into someone's heart is what terrorism is.

terrorism
1. the use of violence and threats to intimidate or coerce, especially for political purposes.
2. the state of fear and submission produced by terrorism or terrorization.
3. a terroristic method of governing or of resisting a government.

All Islam! The terrorism of Muhammad's antichrist 7th century stand-alone, imperialistic, political death cult.
Look at just a few recent examples that I copied and pasted from the top of the page at the link below:
2012.03.07 (Tal Afar, Iraq) - Twelve people near a restaurant are obliterated in a double bomb attack by Holy Warriors.
2012.03.07 (Spin Boldak, Afghanistan) - A woman and child are among four ripped apart by a bomb planted on a motorcycle.
2012.03.06 (Karabudakhkent, Dagestan) - Five traffic cops are blown to bits by a female suicide bomber.
2012.03.06 (Bilala, Nigeria) - At least two civilians are killed as Boko Haram devotees blow up a church and a police station.
2012.03.06 (Yala, Thailand) - One member of a security team for teachers dies from a shrapnel injury to the head from a Muslim 'insurgent' bomb.
2012.03.05 (Parwan, Afghanistan) - Two children bleed to death following a suicide attack that is 'in revenge' for a Quran burning.
You see, people are made to fear. Fear being a policeman, fear being in a restaurant, fear even going outside. THAT'S TERRORISM.
Instilling terror/fear in non-Muslims is the job of every TRUE FOLLOWER of Muhammad/Satan.
Please click on the link and browse the page for more of the 18,000 deadly Islamic terror attacks just since 9-11 that are meticulously logged there.
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/

Now you are striking fear into my heart. What are you now?

I'm in the Eastern U.S..
Why would that strike fear into your heart? You are on the side of the murderers that are doing their best to follow Muhammad as revealed through his Quran.

Sura 9.111 Allah hath purchased of the believers their persons and their goods; for theirs (in return) is the garden (of Paradise): they fight in His cause, and slay and are slain: a promise binding on Him in truth, through the Law, the Gospel, and the Qur'an: and who is more faithful to his covenant than Allah. then rejoice in the bargain which ye have concluded: that is the achievement supreme.

Look at the things you wrote. They are all up. Your posts are full off hate. Count how many times you wrote liar.

It's true I do hate lies, just as I hate the father of lies. I spent so much time with you because I wanted to to see who you follow.
Tell me which of the times I used the term liar was incorrect or false according to facts of the instance, and according to the one true God of the bible.

1Jo 5:10 He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son.

All I say ask me about the Quran. If I know the answer I give it. If you don't want me here than I go. It's very easy to say it.

Way back when you asked me that I told you a Christian only needs a single verse from the Quran to understand that Muhammad proclaimed the exact opposite of the whole subject of the Gospel.

Surah 4:157 That they said (in boast), "We killed Christ Jesus the son of Mary, the Messenger of Allah";- but they killed him not, nor crucified him, but so it was made to appear to them, and those who differ therein are full of doubts, with no (certain) knowledge, but only conjecture to follow, for of a surety they killed him not:-

I've read the Quran. Have you read the Gospel? How much respect for me are you showing if you haven't even read my book - that Muhammad told me to judge by?
http://www.islamandthetruth.com/gospel_of_john.htm

I read the Bible. And we call it Incil by the way. And I did not asked "do you hate lies?" The words you chose shows your paradigms. You are calling me and my beliefs pagan, is that normal? Have I ever call you pagan or something like that? All I say if you have any questions about Quran you can ask to me. That's all...

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« Reply #119 on: March 07, 2012, 12:44:42 PM »
Bornao,

If I recall correctly you are from Turkey. Correct? Do you think you would be a muslim now if Islam had not conquered Turkey in the first century of Islam's existence? Why do you believe they were conquering in the first place?

Brother, you have no idea how many times I sad there is no got. And what I believe, (Allah knows best) saying I am muslim is not enough. I also believe saying I am Christian is not enough. You have to obey the rules of your belief. Look at your book and do what the prophets ordered to do. Circumcision, prey, baptism, don't drink alchol, no sex between single people, don't marry and divorce like you are dating ect...
(I am not saying you are doing bad things, these are my thoughts)

As a man who sad the is no God, my answer is, yes. I think I was going to be Muslim again. And brother, maybe you are interested, what I see atheists does not choosing Christianty as a religion here. Let me expain like that: When a Christian says to an unbeliever, "God has a son", it looks like a myth, like Greek Gods. You lisen to them in patient and strat counting the seconds and wait till he changes the  subject. Brother you know what, Atheist do believe in the Creator. But can't shape it. There is something deep inside telling there is something, but can't, can't, can't shape it. Even you catch a shape what you see is your imagination. Let me explain you like that. Lets say you don't believe anything and close your eyes. Go back in the time when there wasn't time. Nothing, just nothing around. Even your imagination is not there. What you find is nothing. If there is something in the very begining, you can't even call it something. It has no and and no begining. It is beyond the time and beyond everything you can imagine.
Now, if some one tells me he has a son, no way man, I realy believe Creator is beyond everything we can imagine. The angels, even the prophets are not close to him.
Don't tell me having a son doesn't make God less, and he can do anything he wants, than I ask:
Can he create a rock which he can't lift?

You are missing the point of my question. You insist that offensive war is not intrinsic to Islam but the problem with this view is that the country you live in and its' history is a witness against you. Turkey was once a Christian populated nation. It was conquered by the Caliphs during the first century of Islam's existence. Why do you believe they were invading and conquering those lands?

Just the same reason that the Enghish people conquered America. Same reason Italian and so on did.
Was that your question?

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« Reply #120 on: March 07, 2012, 12:50:51 PM »


Sura 8:12 I will instill terror into the hearts of the unbelievers: smite ye above their necks and smite all their finger-tips off them

Brother, you are not reading the things I write. There is no terror word there. Even the word TERROR is about 100 years old. It says FEAR. And it's talking about the unbelievers, not you.
You just want to be afraid of Islam. Than live like that.

Striking fear into someone's heart is what terrorism is.

terrorism
1. the use of violence and threats to intimidate or coerce, especially for political purposes.
2. the state of fear and submission produced by terrorism or terrorization.
3. a terroristic method of governing or of resisting a government.

All Islam! The terrorism of Muhammad's antichrist 7th century stand-alone, imperialistic, political death cult.
Look at just a few recent examples that I copied and pasted from the top of the page at the link below:
2012.03.07 (Tal Afar, Iraq) - Twelve people near a restaurant are obliterated in a double bomb attack by Holy Warriors.
2012.03.07 (Spin Boldak, Afghanistan) - A woman and child are among four ripped apart by a bomb planted on a motorcycle.
2012.03.06 (Karabudakhkent, Dagestan) - Five traffic cops are blown to bits by a female suicide bomber.
2012.03.06 (Bilala, Nigeria) - At least two civilians are killed as Boko Haram devotees blow up a church and a police station.
2012.03.06 (Yala, Thailand) - One member of a security team for teachers dies from a shrapnel injury to the head from a Muslim 'insurgent' bomb.
2012.03.05 (Parwan, Afghanistan) - Two children bleed to death following a suicide attack that is 'in revenge' for a Quran burning.
You see, people are made to fear. Fear being a policeman, fear being in a restaurant, fear even going outside. THAT'S TERRORISM.
Instilling terror/fear in non-Muslims is the job of every TRUE FOLLOWER of Muhammad/Satan.
Please click on the link and browse the page for more of the 18,000 deadly Islamic terror attacks just since 9-11 that are meticulously logged there.
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/

Now you are striking fear into my heart. What are you now?

I'm in the Eastern U.S..
Why would that strike fear into your heart? You are on the side of the murderers that are doing their best to follow Muhammad as revealed through his Quran.

Sura 9.111 Allah hath purchased of the believers their persons and their goods; for theirs (in return) is the garden (of Paradise): they fight in His cause, and slay and are slain: a promise binding on Him in truth, through the Law, the Gospel, and the Qur'an: and who is more faithful to his covenant than Allah. then rejoice in the bargain which ye have concluded: that is the achievement supreme.

Look at the things you wrote. They are all up. Your posts are full off hate.

But when I showed you the love of God at this link you just ignored it.
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=3098.msg12575#msg12575

Count how many times you wrote liar.

I was just being honest with you. It's true I do hate lies, just as I hate the father of lies.

Jhn 8:44...He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

I spent so much time with you because I wanted you to see who the evidence shows, that Muhammad followed. Tell me which of the times I used the term liar was incorrect or false, according to facts of the instance, or according to the one true God of the bible.

1Jo 5:10 He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son.

All I say ask me about the Quran. If I know the answer I give it. If you don't want me here than I go. It's very easy to say it.

Way back when you offered that, I told you that as a Christian I only needs a single verse from the Quran to understand that Muhammad proclaimed the exact opposite of the whole subject of the Gospel.

Surah 4:157 That they said (in boast), "We killed Christ Jesus the son of Mary, the Messenger of Allah";- but they killed him not, nor crucified him, but so it was made to appear to them, and those who differ therein are full of doubts, with no (certain) knowledge, but only conjecture to follow, for of a surety they killed him not:-

That the Quran is the exact opposite of the Gospel is confirmed over and over throughout these pages we have labored over with you.
I've read the Quran. Have you read the Gospel? How much respect for me are you showing if you haven't even read my book - the Gospel - that even Muhammad told me to judge by?
http://www.islamandthetruth.com/gospel_of_john.htm

Brother, it's my last free minute here. (Maybe won't. It can shange.)
From now on if you have any question about Quran (Translations are not Quran, What I see is you misunderstand alot) ask it. Just put the sure and ayeth number and ask it. That's all.
Ok.
Peace

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Re: Allah - the one ... who confounds all human understanding
« Reply #121 on: March 07, 2012, 12:54:19 PM »


Sura 8:12 I will instill terror into the hearts of the unbelievers: smite ye above their necks and smite all their finger-tips off them

Brother, you are not reading the things I write. There is no terror word there. Even the word TERROR is about 100 years old. It says FEAR. And it's talking about the unbelievers, not you.
You just want to be afraid of Islam. Than live like that.

Striking fear into someone's heart is what terrorism is.

terrorism
1. the use of violence and threats to intimidate or coerce, especially for political purposes.
2. the state of fear and submission produced by terrorism or terrorization.
3. a terroristic method of governing or of resisting a government.

All Islam! The terrorism of Muhammad's antichrist 7th century stand-alone, imperialistic, political death cult.
Look at just a few recent examples that I copied and pasted from the top of the page at the link below:
2012.03.07 (Tal Afar, Iraq) - Twelve people near a restaurant are obliterated in a double bomb attack by Holy Warriors.
2012.03.07 (Spin Boldak, Afghanistan) - A woman and child are among four ripped apart by a bomb planted on a motorcycle.
2012.03.06 (Karabudakhkent, Dagestan) - Five traffic cops are blown to bits by a female suicide bomber.
2012.03.06 (Bilala, Nigeria) - At least two civilians are killed as Boko Haram devotees blow up a church and a police station.
2012.03.06 (Yala, Thailand) - One member of a security team for teachers dies from a shrapnel injury to the head from a Muslim 'insurgent' bomb.
2012.03.05 (Parwan, Afghanistan) - Two children bleed to death following a suicide attack that is 'in revenge' for a Quran burning.
You see, people are made to fear. Fear being a policeman, fear being in a restaurant, fear even going outside. THAT'S TERRORISM.
Instilling terror/fear in non-Muslims is the job of every TRUE FOLLOWER of Muhammad/Satan.
Please click on the link and browse the page for more of the 18,000 deadly Islamic terror attacks just since 9-11 that are meticulously logged there.
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/

Now you are striking fear into my heart. What are you now?

I'm in the Eastern U.S..
Why would that strike fear into your heart? You are on the side of the murderers that are doing their best to follow Muhammad as revealed through his Quran.

Sura 9.111 Allah hath purchased of the believers their persons and their goods; for theirs (in return) is the garden (of Paradise): they fight in His cause, and slay and are slain: a promise binding on Him in truth, through the Law, the Gospel, and the Qur'an: and who is more faithful to his covenant than Allah. then rejoice in the bargain which ye have concluded: that is the achievement supreme.

Look at the things you wrote. They are all up. Your posts are full off hate. Count how many times you wrote liar.

It's true I do hate lies, just as I hate the father of lies. I spent so much time with you because I wanted to to see who you follow.
Tell me which of the times I used the term liar was incorrect or false according to facts of the instance, and according to the one true God of the bible.

1Jo 5:10 He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son.

All I say ask me about the Quran. If I know the answer I give it. If you don't want me here than I go. It's very easy to say it.

Way back when you asked me that I told you a Christian only needs a single verse from the Quran to understand that Muhammad proclaimed the exact opposite of the whole subject of the Gospel.

Surah 4:157 That they said (in boast), "We killed Christ Jesus the son of Mary, the Messenger of Allah";- but they killed him not, nor crucified him, but so it was made to appear to them, and those who differ therein are full of doubts, with no (certain) knowledge, but only conjecture to follow, for of a surety they killed him not:-

I've read the Quran. Have you read the Gospel? How much respect for me are you showing if you haven't even read my book - that Muhammad told me to judge by?
http://www.islamandthetruth.com/gospel_of_john.htm

I read the Bible. And we call it Incil by the way.

Injeel is a Syriac word in Muhammad's Quran that he falsely claimed was "pure Arabic". In fact Arabic is a modern language on the scene, not even having a written form until into the christian era. http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=1693.0

So then having read the Injeel, you fully understand that Muhammad denied the whole subject of the Injeel, 600 years after the 1st century prophets and witnesses of Jesus gave us their accounts.

And I did not asked "do you hate lies?"

No you accused me of posting hatred, and I agree I did, but the hatred was from your books as you can see in the posts above. Here's some more:

Sahih Bukhari B52 #177 Narrated Abu Huraira: Allah's Apostle said, "the Hour will not be established until you fight with the Jews, and the stone behind which a Jew will be hiding will say. "O Muslim! there is a Jew hiding behind me, so kill him."

Sahih Muslim B41, #6981 Ibn 'Umar reported Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying: You will fight against the jews and you will kill them until even a stone would say: Come here, Muslim, there is a Jew (hiding himself behind me) ; kill him. (repeated)

That's why Hitler and the Islamic Mufti of Jerusalem worked hand in hand in genocide of Jews, with 2 Islamic panzer divisions.
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=2983.0

The spirit of antichrist forces you to run away from the verses that express the love God expressed for us through the Gospel, like the ones that I detailed in this post:
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=3098.msg12575#msg12575

The words you chose shows your paradigms.

I was being honest and chose the word used in the Gospel.

1Jo 5:10 He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son.

But you failed to point out which of the instances in which I used the term incorrectly or falsely.

You are calling me and my beliefs pagan, is that normal?

I don't do it without cause or reason. The Hajj and Umrah are rituals of Muhammad's tribe the Quraish, that they practiced long before Muhammad invented his religion. Circumambulation of the Kaaba and venerating it's black stone idol, and running back and forth between Safa and Marwah in pagan Arabian jinn-devil worship. The pagans continued to engage in their rituals, shoulder to shoulder with Muhammad's followers until the year before Muhammad's last Hajj, when the pagans were kicked out of their own ritual.
The occult monotheistic Sabian moon worshipers http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=2475.0 that Muhammad also copied from, prostrated while praying, prayed in repetitions 5 times a day, practiced ablution, fasted for 30 days during daylight hours in the same month as Ramadan, and wore long white robes.
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=1227.0
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?board=56.0

Islam is perhaps worse than paganism because it is the ONLY specifically anti-Gospel cult. It instills in it's followers to DISbelieve the whole subject of the Gospel, DENY the Son of God and REJECT the shed blood of the Messiah that would save Muhammad's followers from sin. Islam is antichrist.
Whereas pagans, worshiping the moon or sun through their ignorance for example, may well have been saved because of their ignorance, as long as they never came to understand - and then reject - the one true God as He revealed Himself through the scriptures.
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=2943.0

Romans 4:15 Because the law worketh wrath: for where no law is, [there is] no transgression.

Have I ever call you pagan or something like that? All I say if you have any questions about Quran you can ask to me. That's all...

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Re: Allah - the one ... who confounds all human understanding
« Reply #122 on: March 07, 2012, 01:09:13 PM »


Sura 8:12 I will instill terror into the hearts of the unbelievers: smite ye above their necks and smite all their finger-tips off them

Brother, you are not reading the things I write. There is no terror word there. Even the word TERROR is about 100 years old. It says FEAR. And it's talking about the unbelievers, not you.
You just want to be afraid of Islam. Than live like that.

Striking fear into someone's heart is what terrorism is.

terrorism
1. the use of violence and threats to intimidate or coerce, especially for political purposes.
2. the state of fear and submission produced by terrorism or terrorization.
3. a terroristic method of governing or of resisting a government.

All Islam! The terrorism of Muhammad's antichrist 7th century stand-alone, imperialistic, political death cult.
Look at just a few recent examples that I copied and pasted from the top of the page at the link below:
2012.03.07 (Tal Afar, Iraq) - Twelve people near a restaurant are obliterated in a double bomb attack by Holy Warriors.
2012.03.07 (Spin Boldak, Afghanistan) - A woman and child are among four ripped apart by a bomb planted on a motorcycle.
2012.03.06 (Karabudakhkent, Dagestan) - Five traffic cops are blown to bits by a female suicide bomber.
2012.03.06 (Bilala, Nigeria) - At least two civilians are killed as Boko Haram devotees blow up a church and a police station.
2012.03.06 (Yala, Thailand) - One member of a security team for teachers dies from a shrapnel injury to the head from a Muslim 'insurgent' bomb.
2012.03.05 (Parwan, Afghanistan) - Two children bleed to death following a suicide attack that is 'in revenge' for a Quran burning.
You see, people are made to fear. Fear being a policeman, fear being in a restaurant, fear even going outside. THAT'S TERRORISM.
Instilling terror/fear in non-Muslims is the job of every TRUE FOLLOWER of Muhammad/Satan.
Please click on the link and browse the page for more of the 18,000 deadly Islamic terror attacks just since 9-11 that are meticulously logged there.
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/

Now you are striking fear into my heart. What are you now?

I'm in the Eastern U.S..
Why would that strike fear into your heart? You are on the side of the murderers that are doing their best to follow Muhammad as revealed through his Quran.

Sura 9.111 Allah hath purchased of the believers their persons and their goods; for theirs (in return) is the garden (of Paradise): they fight in His cause, and slay and are slain: a promise binding on Him in truth, through the Law, the Gospel, and the Qur'an: and who is more faithful to his covenant than Allah. then rejoice in the bargain which ye have concluded: that is the achievement supreme.

Look at the things you wrote. They are all up. Your posts are full off hate.

But when I showed you the love of God at this link you just ignored it.
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=3098.msg12575#msg12575

Count how many times you wrote liar.

I was just being honest with you. It's true I do hate lies, just as I hate the father of lies.

Jhn 8:44...He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

I spent so much time with you because I wanted you to see who the evidence shows, that Muhammad followed. Tell me which of the times I used the term liar was incorrect or false, according to facts of the instance, or according to the one true God of the bible.

1Jo 5:10 He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son.

All I say ask me about the Quran. If I know the answer I give it. If you don't want me here than I go. It's very easy to say it.

Way back when you offered that, I told you that as a Christian I only needs a single verse from the Quran to understand that Muhammad proclaimed the exact opposite of the whole subject of the Gospel.

Surah 4:157 That they said (in boast), "We killed Christ Jesus the son of Mary, the Messenger of Allah";- but they killed him not, nor crucified him, but so it was made to appear to them, and those who differ therein are full of doubts, with no (certain) knowledge, but only conjecture to follow, for of a surety they killed him not:-

That the Quran is the exact opposite of the Gospel is confirmed over and over throughout these pages we have labored over with you.
I've read the Quran. Have you read the Gospel? How much respect for me are you showing if you haven't even read my book - the Gospel - that even Muhammad told me to judge by?
http://www.islamandthetruth.com/gospel_of_john.htm

Brother, it's my last free minute here. (Maybe won't. It can shange.)
From now on if you have any question about Quran (Translations are not Quran, What I see is you misunderstand alot).....

I believe YOU misunderstand if you don't see why your fellow Muslims are engaged in terror attacks and conquest and subjugation of non-Muslims all around the world. Earlier I wrote....

Sahih Al-Bukhari - "Jihad is holy fighting in Allah’s Cause with full force of weaponry. It is given the utmost importance in Islam and is one of its Pillars. By Jihad Islam is established, Allah is made superior and He becomes the only God who may be worshiped. By Jihad Islam is propagated and made superior. By abandoning Jihad (may Allah protect us from that) Islam is destroyed and Muslims fall into an inferior position. Their honor is lost, their lands are stolen, and Muslim rule and authority vanish. Jihad is an obligatory duty in Islam on every Muslim. He who tries to escape this duty dies as a hypocrite." page 580 of Maktba Dar-us-Salam's Sahih Al-Bukhari

You said http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=3098.msg12572#msg12572
Here comes the History Brother again. Muslims sad that, Bukhari sad that....

You tried to run and hide by offering abrogated drivel from Muhammad's Mecca days and excusing it away falsely as "history", but that is a footnote from the Noble Quran. Those are marching orders. It doesn't say "...He who tries to escape this duty died as a hypocrite." but "dies" in the present tense. AS IN TODAY!

So please tell us who you think would win an argument between yourself, and a true fundamental follower of Muhammad that gets Islam, and was holding a beheading knife in one hand and whose fighting non-Muslims is supported by the Quran in his other hand which is the same honest understanding of imperialistic conquest that Islamic history confirms?

The answer is obvious that it will continue to be Satan who wins all such disputes among Muhammad's followers. By advancing Islam you are subjugating your heirs to be ruled by whichever is the most violent and reprobate faction among Muhammad's followers that emerges in the future, that is the most ruthless, brutal and murderous. Whichever faction it ultimately is, will make the Taliban look like saints.

..... ask it. Just put the sure and ayeth number and ask it. That's all.
Ok.
Peace

Unless and until you can provide a compelling scriptural, historical, archaeological or geographical basis to reject the sinless Messiah and the sacrifice He made for us, to instead follow a stand-alone 7th century mass murdering, female prisoner abusing, child doing, self-admitted terrorist, thief through his 23 year record - that is exactly opposite the account of the Gospel, which is confirmed by the historical, archaeological, geographical and scriptural evidence - then all you would be posting in here is pure blasphemy against the one true God of the scriptures. Simply click on each characterization of Muhammad to see the truth from your own books.
But then since Mecca never existed before the 4th century AD it is pointless for you to even try to attempt such a feat.

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Re: Allah - the one ... who confounds all human understanding
« Reply #123 on: March 08, 2012, 01:16:50 AM »
Injeel is a Syriac word in Muhammad's Quran that he falsely claimed was "pure Arabic". In fact Arabic is a modern language on the scene, not even having a written form until into the christian era. http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=1693.0

You realy don't have anyidea what does "pure Arabic" mean :D And you are givig Quran lessons to me  ;D

Sahih Bukhari B52 #177 Narrated Abu Huraira: Allah's Apostle said, "the Hour will not be established until you fight with the Jews, and the stone behind which a Jew will be hiding will say. "O Muslim! there is a Jew hiding behind me, so kill him."

Sahih Muslim B41, #6981 Ibn 'Umar reported Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying: You will fight against the jews and you will kill them until even a stone would say: Come here, Muslim, there is a Jew (hiding himself behind me) ; kill him. (repeated)

That's why Hitler and the Islamic Mufti of Jerusalem worked hand in hand in genocide of Jews, with 2 Islamic panzer divisions.

What are you talking about?  ;D http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k56uZRlpiM4

The spirit of antichrist forces you to run away from the verses that express the love God expressed for us through the Gospel, like the ones that I detailed in this post:

I don't have time for that long posts. I told you. And as I told you Idon't care what you believe in.

The words you chose shows your paradigms.

I was being honest and chose the word used in the Gospel.

Don't stop than. Call the people lier and be rude.

I don't do it without cause or reason. The Hajj and Umrah are rituals of Muhammad's tribe the Quraish, that they practiced long before Muhammad invented his religion. Circumambulation of the Kaaba and venerating it's black stone idol, and running back and forth between Safa and Marwah in pagan Arabian jinn-devil worship. The pagans continued to engage in their rituals, shoulder to shoulder with Muhammad's followers until the year before Muhammad's last Hajj, when the pagans were kicked out of their own ritual.
The occult monotheistic Sabian moon worshipers that Muhammad also copied from, prostrated while praying, prayed in repetitions 5 times a day, practiced ablution, fasted for 30 days during daylight hours in the same month as Ramadan, and wore long white robes.

Maybe you are rong ;D

Islam is perhaps worse than paganism because it is the ONLY specifically anti-Gospel cult. It instills in it's followers to DISbelieve the whole subject of the Gospel, DENY the Son of God and REJECT the shed blood of the Messiah that would save Muhammad's followers from sin. Islam is antichrist.
Whereas pagans, worshiping the moon or sun through their ignorance for example, may well have been saved because of their ignorance, as long as they never came to understand - and then reject - the one true God as He revealed Himself through the scriptures.

I don't care what you believe in. How can I be more clear.  ::)
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Re: Allah - the one ... who confounds all human understanding
« Reply #124 on: March 08, 2012, 02:33:33 AM »
I believe YOU misunderstand if you don't see why your fellow Muslims are engaged in terror attacks and conquest and subjugation of non-Muslims all around the world. Earlier I wrote....

Sahih Al-Bukhari - "Jihad is holy fighting in Allah’s Cause with full force of weaponry. It is given the utmost importance in Islam and is one of its Pillars. By Jihad Islam is established, Allah is made superior and He becomes the only God who may be worshiped. By Jihad Islam is propagated and made superior. By abandoning Jihad (may Allah protect us from that) Islam is destroyed and Muslims fall into an inferior position. Their honor is lost, their lands are stolen, and Muslim rule and authority vanish. Jihad is an obligatory duty in Islam on every Muslim. He who tries to escape this duty dies as a hypocrite." page 580 of Maktba Dar-us-Salam's Sahih Al-Bukhari

Brother, you don't even know what the word Jihad means. In your dictionaries it says in Cambride dictionary: a holy war which is fought by Muslims against people who are a threat to the Islamic religion or who oppose its teachings.
This is what you know. And you know what, that not right.

Here is our dictionary says: http://www.sozluk.net/index.php?word=cihad
Check the link. But those words to you dictionary and tell me what "İlim ve imanla, sözle, fiile" means. What you will find is ilim=science iman=belief Fiil=act.
Let me go faster. Chihad means: Fighting agains devil. Not against people. Prayin is a chihad. Teaching, feeding poor is chihad. Even smiling chihad.


78.    And strive in His cause as ye ought to strive, (with sincerity and under discipline). He has chosen you, and has imposed no difficulties on you in religion; it is the religion of your father Abraham. It is He Who has named you Muslims, both before and in this (Revelation); that the Messenger may be a witness for you, and ye be witnesses for mankind! So establish regular prayer, give Zakat, and hold fast to Allah. He is your Protector - the Best to protect and the Best to help!

78.    Ve cahidu fillahi hakka cihadil hüvectebüküm ve ma ceale aleyküm fid dıni min harac millete ebıküm ibrahım hüve semmakümül müslimıne min kablü ve fı haza lı yekuner rasulü ÅŸehıden aleyküm ve ketunu şühedae alen nas fe ekıymüs salate ve atüz zekate va'tesımu billah hüve mevlaküm fe nı'mel mevla ve nı'men nesıyr

But, what you want to see is misguided people. You still give me numbers of death people. Even that number is not enough for the Afkan civil people only. You are still doing that.

You tried to run and hide by offering abrogated drivel from Muhammad's Mecca days and excusing it away falsely as "history", but that is a footnote from the Noble Quran. Those are marching orders. It doesn't say "...He who tries to escape this duty died as a hypocrite." but "dies" in the present tense. AS IN TODAY!



Run what? I gave answer to that. If the those books hasn't been changed, Quran hasn't been send to all people. And If you don't have a physical evidence that Mecca has been existed in the old days, so what? Quran dose not say there was city at the times of Hz.Abraham. And Quran also points that. And as a prophet of Allah Hz.Abraham has showen miracles and If you askme like, "Hey! Muslim! Can Hz.Abaham make a journey in desert like that" Then I say, "If the fire of Nemruth did not burned him, Yes, he can, without a doubt.

So please tell us who you think would win an argument between yourself, and a true fundamental follower of Muhammad that gets Islam, and was holding a beheading knife in one hand and whose fighting non-Muslims is supported by the Quran in his other hand which is the same honest understanding of imperialistic conquest that Islamic history confirms?

The answer is obvious that it will continue to be Satan who wins all such disputes among Muhammad's followers. By advancing Islam you are subjugating your heirs to be ruled by whichever is the most violent and reprobate faction among Muhammad's followers that emerges in the future, that is the most ruthless, brutal and murderous. Whichever faction it ultimately is, will make the Taliban look like saints.
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I didn't understand the question here. Ask it in a simple way.


..... ask it. Just put the sure and ayeth number and ask it. That's all.
Ok.
Peace
Unless and until you can provide a compelling scriptural, historical, archaeological or geographical basis to reject the sinless Messiah and the sacrifice He made for us, to instead follow a stand-alone 7th century mass murdering, female prisoner abusing, child doing, self-admitted terrorist, thief through his 23 year record - that is exactly opposite the account of the Gospel, which is confirmed by the historical, archaeological, geographical and scriptural evidence - then all you would be posting in here is pure blasphemy against the one true God of the scriptures. Simply click on each characterization of Muhammad to see the truth from your own books.
But then since Mecca never existed before the 4th century AD it is pointless for you to even try to attempt such a feat.


What kind of a sentence is this? Are trying to break the record longest sentence? ;D
I don't know if I get it wright, but I think you are trying to say you have some "historical, archaeological, geographical and scriptural evidence" of something. If you believe on what you have, go on believing them. Don't ask me about them.
If it's about what Quran says about there parts of Allah it says this

This is also a proof that I am not hiding something.

4/163.    We have sent thee inspiration, as We sent it to Noah and the Messengers after him: we sent inspiration to Abraham, Ismail, Isaac, Jacob and the Tribes, to Jesus, Job, Jonah, Aaron, and Solomon, and to David We gave the Psalms.


4/171.    O People of the Book! Commit no excesses in your religion: Nor say of Allah aught but the truth. Christ Jesus the son of Mary was (no more than) a messenger of Allah, and His Word, which He bestowed on Mary, and a Spirit proceeding from Him: so believe in Allah and His messengers. Say not "Three (Trinity)" : desist: it will be better for you: for Allah is One God. Glory be to Him: (far exalted is He) above having a son. To Him belong all things in the heavens and on earth. And enough is Allah as a Disposer of affairs.

5/46.    And in their footsteps We sent Jesus the son of Mary, confirming the Torah that had come before him: We sent him the Gospel: therein was guidance and light, and confirmation of the Torah that had come before him: a guidance and an admonition to those who fear Allah.

5/78.    Curses were pronounced on those among the Children of Israel who rejected Faith, by the tongue of David and of Jesus the son of Mary: because they disobeyed and persisted in excesses.

5/110.    Then will Allah say: "O Jesus the son of Mary! Recount My favor to thee and to thy mother. Behold! I strengthened thee with the Holy Spirit, so that thou didst speak to the people in childhood and in maturity. Behold! I taught thee the Book and Wisdom, the Torah and the Gospel. And behold! thou makest out of clay, as it were, the figure of a bird, by My leave, and thou breathest into it and it becometh a bird by My leave, and thou healest those born blind, and the lepers, by My leave. And behold! thou bringest forth the dead by My leave. And behold! I did restrain the Children of Israel from (violence to) thee when thou didst show them the Clear Signs, and the unbelievers among them said: 'This is nothing but evident magic.'

5/112.    Behold! the Disciples, said: "O Jesus the son of Mary! can thy Lord send down to us a Table set (with viands) from heaven?" Said Jesus: "Fear Allah, if ye have faith!"

5/113.    They said: "We only wish to eat thereof and satisfy our hearts, and to know that thou hast indeed told us the truth; and that we ourselves may be witnesses to the miracle."
   
5/114.    Said Jesus the son of Mary: "O Allah our Lord! Send us from heaven a Table set (with viands), that there may be for us - for the first and the last of us - a solemn festival and a sign from Thee; and provide for our sustenance, for Thou art the best Sustainer (of our needs)."

5/115.    Allah said: "I will send it down unto you: But if any of you after that resisteth faith, I will punish him with a penalty such as I have not inflicted on any one among all the peoples."

5/16.    And behold! Allah will say: "O Jesus the son of Mary! Didst thou say unto men, take me and my mother for two gods beside Allah.?" He will say: "Glory to Thee! never could I say what I had no right (to say). Had I said such a thing, Thou wouldst indeed have known it. Thou knowest what is in my heart, Thou I know not what is in Thine. For Thou knowest in full all that is hidden.

5/117.    "Never said I to them aught except what Thou didst command me to say, to wit, 'Worship Allah, my Lord and your Lord'; and I was a witness over them whilst I dwelt amongst them; when Thou didst take me up Thou wast the Watcher over them, and Thou art a witness to all things.

5/118.    "If Thou dost punish them, they are Thy servant: If Thou dost forgive them, Thou art the Exalted in power, the Wise."

6/5.    And Zakariya and John, and Jesus and Elias: all in the ranks of the Righteous:

6/6.    And Ismail and Elisha, and Jonah, and Lot: and to all We gave favor above the nations:
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