Allah - the one ... who confounds all human understanding

[Bornao]

I will answer it here, as you wish…


If Hz.Muhammed was a false prophet, wouldn’t he prefere to say, “I am prophet of this idol or this cult figure.” Think about the pagan numbers at those days. Or wouldn’t he prefere to say, “I am the prophet of Jesus.”
Think about it. Think about how much more followers could he gain with that way. Did he chose one of these? No. He didn’t care about the number of sides he was dealing with. What a wrong tactic for a false prophet. I wouldn’t do that.
The Surah 80, He Frowned???
If I was the false prophet, the Surah 80 wouldn’t be existed.
What a wrog wrog tactic for a false prophet.

If I was a false prophet, in the Quran I was talking about me all the time. The Surahs has been filled with my name. Even the names of Surahs was like, Bornoa feeding the poor, The Bornoa rules, Bornoa has the power.

Do you know how many times does the name Muhammed passes in Quran. Just four times and his other name, Ahmet, passes one time. Do you know how many times does the name Juses passes? More than 20. What about Hz.Abraham, Hz.Moses, Hz.Noah? You don’t have any idea, do you? Even Hz.Muhammed’s father’s, mother’s or any of his relatives names does not passes in Quran. What kind of a man is he? At least my friends names were in the Quran if I was a false prophet.   


If you say, “you wrote Quran by the teachings of a man” Guess what will be the last Surahs name after gaining that much followers. I would have chosen the name, “The way Bornoa kicks his teachers a..” (You know how to fill it.)

You think Quran is a word of satan. Realy? We are circumcised like Hz.Abraham, like Hz.Juses and like the other prophets. We are following all the books which Creator has send. We pray five times aday and against alcohol. Feeding the poor. Don’t eat and drink for a month just beacuse our Creator said so. Don’t have sex before we married. Try fast in the middel of summer, don’t drink and eat till sunset and then lets talk about how much we are in the way of satan.


Not: I don’t have spare time anymore, that’s why I can’t read your long posts. I am not protesting anything. If you want to ask a question ask it in one or two sentences.
Thank you.

[Peter]

I will answer it here, as you wish…

If Hz.Muhammed was a false prophet, wouldn’t he prefer to say, “I am prophet of this idol or this cult figure.”

Yet Muhammad IS the prophet of the Quraish pagan's black stone idol, and the jinn-devil idol worship hills of Safa and Marwah.
Why would he have needed to say he was?
Muhammad IS the cult figure of his STAND-ALONE 7th century cult.
According to Muhammad you are a follower of Muhammad.
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=2656.0
He even kissed the pagan's black stone idol and marched around it himself - with the pagans, both before and after he invented Islam - and made his followers even unto today, prostrate to that pagan idol and even travel to it and march around it just as the Arabian pagans did before Muhammad invented his cult. His followers and the pagans even marched around it shoulder to shoulder until the year before his last Hajj when he kicked the pagans out of their own ritual.
Yet prostrating to an idol of an Arabian pagan deity in a black box, seems as natural to you as running back and forth between Safa and Marwah as the Arabian jinn-devil worshipers did, because that's what you were indoctrinated to do.
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=1282.0

You will never imagine your way to the truth my friend, as you attempted in your prior post.

Satan is the father of lies. The most consummate deceiver in history. He would only make himself known to satanists, who he tempts with rewards in this world, in exchange for their willingness to join him in the next.

What would Satan gain by showing Muhammad's followers that he IS Satan, while he is instead in the process of successfully deceiving you into rejecting the Gospel, to follow him? Yet even as Satan, through Muhammad, proclaimed the EXACT OPPOSITE of the WHOLE SUBJECT of the Gospel, you still don't get it.

Even though Muhammad himself recognized that he met a demon in the cave, you still don't get it.

Yahweh allowed you so much warning that Muhammad even claimed his "Allah" (Satan) declared himself to be the "greatest of schemers", yet you still don't get it.

Just as the scriptures indicate of the demon Muhammad met in the cave:

2Cr 11:14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.

That's why scripture tells us to "try the spirits", to make sure they are of God. Muhammad never tried the spirits so he followed demons just as the Quraish pagan's did before Muhammad - including Khadijah's father who got his "news" from jinn-devils - yet you still don't get it.
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=1784.0

Muhammad even accommodated his own lusts through self-serving "revelations", that gave him all the wives he wanted, gave him 1/5 of the property stolen from others and people they enslaved, and even a special sura to steal his step-son's only wife, and you still don't get it.

Returning to your words above, what Satan would do, is what he did, and that is to engage in reverse psychology, by making about 1 out of every 9 verses in his book about how those would be punished by Satan, for not following Muhammad's/Satan's false words.
Yet your post reflects that you seem to think that satan - the father of lies - would be under some sort of obligation to be honest with you!

[Peter]

Think about the pagan numbers at those days. Or wouldn’t he prefere to say, “I am the prophet of Jesus.”

He DID try the lie that he WAS the Messiah to the Jews that were still waiting for their Messiah, but they readily identified him as a false prophet, through their Torah.
http://answering-islam.org/Shamoun/messiah_dilemma.htm
 

Think about it. Think about how much more followers could he gain with that way. Did he chose one of these? No.

YES. That's exactly what he did. By adopting and then adapting the Quraish pagan rituals in order he encouraged the pagans to join in his cult, particularly because he also had an interest in profiting from "Kaaba Inc.", as his uncle did before him - and as the Saudi's do unto today.
http://www.petewaldo.com/origins_of_islam.htm

He didn’t care about the number of sides he was dealing with. What a wrong tactic for a false prophet.

Adopting the pagan's rituals was THE perfect strategy for THE false prophet.
The "Profitable Prophet Plan".
http://www.prophetofdoom.net/Prophet_of_Doom_24_Profitable_Prophet_Plan.Islam

I wouldn’t do that.

Of course not. A human could never be as crafty as Satan is. That's why you fell for Satan's tactics so completely. Yet even as you have been presented a plethora of compelling reasons to identify Muhammad as a false prophet, you still don't get it.
You yourself can't deny you must REJECT ALL of the prophets and witnesses of the one true God as revealed in His 1600 year record, and proclaim the EXACT OPPOSITE of the WHOLE SUBJECT of the Gospel, to follow the stand-alone 23 year 7th century record of a single SW Arabian desert dwelling illiterate - revealed without any ambiguity as an antichrist, through the very scriptures that Satan compels you to reject.

[Peter]

The Surah 80, He Frowned???

It even begins with Muhammad exposing his unregenerate and selfish nature:

8.1 (The Prophet) frowned and turned away, 2 Because there came to him the blind man (interrupting).

Then (since there was no books for Islam at the time) Muhammad blows it by crediting the scriptures as being:

13 (It is) in Books held (greatly) in honour, 14 Exalted (in dignity), kept pure and holy,15 (Written) by the hands of scribes- 16 Honourable and Pious and Just.

The very scriptures that you proclaim the exact opposite about.

And then he blathers on with the same old reverse psychology to follow the Arabian pagan deity "Allah" or Muhammad's alter-ego Allah will personally torture you in the hell of Muhammad's imagination.

If I was the false prophet, the Surah 80 wouldn’t be existed.
What a wrog wrog tactic for a false prophet.

It's called reverse psychology. What could be a more successful deception than for Satan to convince his black stone idol venerating followers, that the Quraish and Sabian pagan rituals they are engaging in - 1200 kilometers away from THE Holy Land of the prophets and patriarchs - have something to do with the scriptures, even as you engage in pagan Kaaba centered and jinn-devil worship rituals that the Quraish pagans and Sabians did - that the scriptures repeatedly condemn.
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?board=56.0

[Peter]

If I was a false prophet, in the Quran I was talking about me all the time. The Surahs has been filled with my name.

All you are really telling us is that you are driven by your ego, while ascribing human frailties to the trickiest and most deceptive force of evil in history. But you need to try a little harder. Muhammad used the term "messenger" to refer to himself and in most of the over 200 times he invokes that term he refers to himself.

Do you understand how absurd that is?
This even as Muhammad's followers are required to call upon the name of the Arabian pagan deity "Allah" (Satan) in vain repetitions of the heathen 5 times a day - and required to invoke the name of the false prophet Muhammad, over and over and over every day. 1.5 billion mouths are filled with the name of the ego-driven false prophet Muhammad, yet you still don't get it.

You are also pretending the Hadith doesn't exist, and that's a good way to get your head cut off by your fellow - true fundamental - followers of Muhammad. Indeed Muhammad himself called his followers, "followers of Muhammad".
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=2656.0

He even told his followers to love him more than their families.

Narrated Abu Huraira: "Allah's Apostle said, "By Him in Whose Hands my life is, none of you will have faith till he loves me more than his father and his children."  (Book #2, Hadith #13)

Narrated Anas: The Prophet said "None of you will have faith till he loves me more than his father, his children and all mankind." (Book #2, Hadith #14)

Exactly the kind of thing that you are saying that you would do, that Muhammad didn't do. Yet you still don't get it.

Muhammad's name occurs 603 times in Bukhari Hadith alone.
http://www.searchtruth.com/searchHadith.php?keyword=muhammad&translator=1&search=1&book=&start=0&records_display=10&search_word=all

[Peter]

Even the names of Surahs was like, Bornoa feeding the poor, The Bornoa rules, Bornoa has the power.

Do you know how many times does the name Muhammed passes in Quran. Just four times ......

And all 4 declaring the blasphemy that he was a prophet of the one true God of the scriptures.

...... and his other name, Ahmet, passes one time. Do you know how many times does the name Juses passes? More than 20.

Through pure blasphemy including Muhammad's plagiarizing an Egyptian apocryphal fable of Jesus talking in the cradle.
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=893.0

What about Hz.Abraham, Hz.Moses, Hz.Noah?

That's right. Muhammad was an equal opportunity blasphemer, by lying about all of the prophets as they are truly revealed through the record of the ONE true God of the scriptures.

You don’t have any idea, do you?

Of course I do. I already told you I read the Quran - every word - and in the actual chronological order of when Muhammad said it.

Even Hz.Muhammed’s father’s, mother’s or any of his relatives names does not passes in Quran.

Satan was smarter than that. Muhammad's own father's name was "Abdullah" which meant that he was a slave of the Arabian pagan's deity "Allah" long before Muhammad invented his cult.

[Peter]

What kind of a man is he? At least my friends names were in the Quran if I was a false prophet.

Do you see how absurd it is for you to assign your own human ego vulnerabilities, to the most deceptive creature in the history of the heavens and earth?

If you say, “you wrote Quran by the teachings of a man” ......

No, that is what Muhammad tacitly admitted:

Sura 16.103 We know indeed that they say, "It is a man that teaches him." The tongue of him they wickedly point to is notably foreign, while this is Arabic, pure and clear.

The fact that Jabr wasn't a native Arabian doesn't mean he didn't know the language. The Quraish pagan's rightly accused Muhammad of getting his "revelation" from Jabr, because every time he had a long session with his good friend and exchristian friend Jabr, he received another "revelation". It happened so often that the Quraish nicknamed Jabr "holy spirit".
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=452.0

[Peter]

...... Guess what will be the last Surahs name after gaining that much followers. I would have chosen the name, “The way Bornoa kicks his teachers a..” (You know how to fill it.)

You think Quran is a word of satan. Realy?

There can be no queston, since the false prophet professed the EXACT OPPOSITE of the WHOLE SUBJECT of the Gospel as revealed through ALL of the prophets and witnesses of Yeshua.
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=148.0

[Peter]

We are circumcised like Hz.Abraham, like Hz.Juses and like the other prophets. We are following all the books which Creator has send.

Surely even you can see what a Satanic lie you are telling since Muhammad's followers don't even keep the Sabbath. Muhammad switched his "holy" day from the Sabbath to Friday, and switched his Qibla from Jerusalem to the Quraish pagan's Kaaba in Mecca, after the Jews of Medina recognized him as being a false prophet through their Torah, and refused to follow him.
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=2364.0

[Peter]

We pray five times aday ........

Just as the 2nd century occult cult of the Sabians did that Muhammad copied it from.
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=2475.0
And Salat is even praying in the vain repetitions of the heathen as the Sabians did too:

Mat 6:7 But when ye pray, use not vain repetitions, as the heathen [do]: for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking.

......... and against alcohol. Feeding the poor. Don’t eat and drink for a month just beacuse our Creator said so.

Don't be silly. Muhammadans spend more money on food during the month that they so-called "fast" than they do any other month of the year.
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=1269.msg4936#msg4936

No coincidence that the monotheistic Sabian moon worshipers "fasted" during the same month that begins and ends with the crescent moon.
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=1571

The etymology of the name "Allah" of course is rooted in the name of the moon god.
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=2265.0

Don’t have sex before we married. Try fast in the middel of summer, don’t drink and eat till sunset and then lets talk about how much we are in the way of satan.

Tragically, because you are of the "children of the flesh" you are deceived into believing you are saved by things you do in the flesh. But Jesus told us what it takes:

Jhn 3:3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.

It takes asking Jesus to give you a new heart and come into your life. Like these former followers of Muhammad did when they came to know the love of the one true God through a relationship with our Lord and Savior Jesus the Christ.

http://www.muslimjourneytohope.com/watch.asp
http://www.youtube.com/user/Muslims4Jesus/videos

Not: I don’t have spare time anymore, that’s why I can’t read your long posts.

No it is Satan that prevents you from treating another fellow human being with enough respect to even read the replies that you solicit by your sadly deluded posts.

I am not protesting anything. If you want to ask a question ask it in one or two sentences.
Thank you.

You utterly failed to answer any questions of you whether they regarded scripture, history, archaeology or geography, demonstrating once again, that in order to follow Muhammad one must reduce one's knowledge to that of a 7th century SW Arabian desert dweller.

[Bornao]

Brother/Sister None, here is your real answer. You asked a prove that Quran is word of God. And you said “prove it without scientific proofs”

Surah Loqman31/6

6.   But there are, among men, those who purchase idle tales, without knowledge (or meaning), to mislead (men) from the Path of Allah and throw ridicule (on the Path): for such there will be a humiliating Chastisement.


As you see nobody asked what the question was. And I am writing these without reading what they have wrote up there. I hope they won’t adjust their posts. (maybe I read and answer them later. Only maybe!)
And you know what, altough I answered all of the questions, they are still showing links and want me to answer them. And this is judging like cross-questioning not asking question.

And I don’t think the Bible is word of satan. It’s word of God. But what you have is not Bible. They have changed the original scripture and what you have is changed versions of translations. How can you trust these translations. Do you know the word Rab? It means God. And the word Abb means father. I don’t say they mixed up the words. But think about it. Even a letter can change all the meaning of the books. Maybe they changed the Bible because of Jews saying Hz.Juses is son of a man. (You know the story. I can’t even write about it)
Don’t ask “did God ignored thousands of people?” God loves all the creatures more than a mother loves her kid.

And yes, the words Islam is in Quran. And Creator calls you the ones who call themselves Christian.

[Peter]

Brother/Sister None, here is your real answer. You asked a prove that Quran is word of God.

No I didn't. I know for a fact it is a fraud because Muhammad proclaimed the EXACT OPPOSITE of the WHOLE SUBJECT of all of the prophets and witnesses of the Gospel. Case closed. Additionally the 1600 year record of God to mankind is supported as revealed by ALL of his prophets and witnesses, is confirmed by the historical and archaeological records, and is perfectly consistent with the geographical record.

Islam is a lie that was developed by a single illiterate 7th century SW Arabian desert dwelling false prophet, who himself even recognized that he had an encounter with a demon in a cave.

The impossible request I made of you was to bring just a single shred of scriptural, historical or archaeological EVIDENCE that could support the geographical impossibility of Muhammadan 7th - 10th century CREATED FICTION that you can only label "tradition", because everything you believe regarding the pre-Muhammad period is pure BS.

And you said “prove it without scientific proofs”

Surah Loqman31/6

6.   But there are, among men, those who purchase idle tales, without knowledge (or meaning), to mislead (men) from the Path of Allah and throw ridicule (on the Path): for such there will be a humiliating Chastisement.

Muhammad wrote that because he was embarrassed about the fact that early in his career he himself used to buy verses from the Jews.

As you see nobody asked what the question was. And I am writing these without reading what they have wrote up there. I hope they won’t adjust their posts. (maybe I read and answer them later. Only maybe!)
And you know what, altough I answered all of the questions, they are still showing links and want me to answer them. And this is judging like cross-questioning not asking question.

And I don’t think the Bible is word of satan. It’s word of God. But what you have is not Bible.

All you've proven to us by that statement is that God made you a liar.

1John 5:10  He that BELIEVETH ON THE SON OF GOD hath the witness in himself: HE THAT BELIEVETH NOT GOD HATH MADE HIM A LIAR; because HE BELIEVED NOT THE RECORD that God gave OF HIS SON.

You must reject ALL of the prophets and witnesses as revealed in the 1600 year record of Yahweh to mankind, and the Prince of Peace, the Lamb of God, and the blood of the sinless Messiah that sacrificed Himself for you, to follow a black-hearted 7th century SW Arabian desert dwelling illiterate reprobate that is revealed as a mass murdering, female prisoner abusing, child doing, self-admitted terrorist and thief, ACCORDING TO YOUR OWN BOOKS.

If you take issue with a single characterization simply click on the link and explain to us why it is incorrect.

[Peter]

They have changed the original scripture and what you have is changed versions of translations. How can you trust these translations.

Because every translation, ever since the cross, declares that Jesus was crucified, died and was resurrected, to save all from sin who have faith in His shed blood. The fact that there ARE all those translations, ALL offering the same account, is how we can know it is the truth.

But you have to deny it because you follow the father of lies through his prophet Muhammad.

Do you know the word Rab? It means God. And the word Abb means father. I don’t say they mixed up the words. But think about it.

That's where you get into your ridiculous trouble. All you have to do is READ more than 234 verses that declare God the Father.
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=610.0

I can also go to the Hebrew and Koine Greek interlinears and Strong's to see the original word used.

Old Testament Hebrew
Isaiah 64:8 But now, O LORD, thou [art] our father; we [are] the clay, and thou our potter; and we all [are] the work of thy hand.

thou [art] our father
Old Testament Hebrew Definition:
01 'ab {awb}
a root; TWOT - 4a; n m
AV - father 1205, chief 2, families 2, desire 1, fatherless + 0369 1,
forefathers + 07223 1, patrimony 1, prince 1, principal 1; 1215
1) father of an individual
2) of God as father of his people

New Testament Greek
Matthew 10:32 Whosoever therefore shall confess me before men, him will I confess also before my Father which is in heaven.

Father
New Testament Greek Definition:
3962 pater {pat-ayr'}
apparently a root word; TDNT - 5:945,805; n m
AV - Father 268, father 150; 419
1) generator or male ancestor
1a) either the nearest ancestor: father of the corporeal
nature, natural fathers, both parents
1b) a more remote ancestor, the founder of a family or tribe,
progenitor of a people, forefather: so Abraham is called,
Jacob and David
Etc. for many more definitions

I may have under-counted when I collected up some of the verses. The term Father with the capital F is used 268 times according to Strong's.

The father of lies, the jealous fallen angel Satan, hates the Son of God, and fills his followers with denial of Him.

Even a letter can change all the meaning of the books. Maybe they changed the Bible ..........

Your vain speculation only demonstrates your desperation. And all it accomplishes is further making the false prophet Muhammad look like an even more ridiculous liar. By the 7th century the Gospel had been translated into every popular language, copied tens of thousands of times and had been read all over the known world for centuries, when Muhammad quipped:

Sura 5:47 Let the people of the Gospel judge by what Allah hath revealed therein. If any do fail to judge by (the light of) what Allah hath revealed, they are (no better than) those who rebel.

Sura 5:68 Say: "O People of the Book! ye have no ground to stand upon unless ye stand fast by the Law, the Gospel, and all the revelation that has come to you from your Lord."

Sura 80.13 (It is) in Books held (greatly) in honour, 14 Exalted (in dignity), kept pure and holy,15 (Written) by the hands of scribes- 16 Honourable and Pious and Just.

............ because of Jews saying Hz.Juses is son of a man. (You know the story. I can’t even write about it)

Because you've chosen self-imposed ignorance, until your knowledge became as limited, as that of a 7th century SW Arabian desert dwelling illiterate.
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=1126
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=611.msg2392#msg2392

Don’t ask “did God ignored thousands of people?” God loves all the creatures more than a mother loves her kid.

And yes, the words Islam is in Quran. And Creator calls you the ones who call themselves Christian.

Who believe the Gospel of the Messiah.
Then 600 years after the fact the false prophet Muhammad who met in a cave, declared the EXACT OPPOSITE of its WHOLE SUBJECT 600 years AFTER the accounts of those that were contemporary to that historical event, because of Muhammad's faith in his wife Khadijah's cousin Waraqa who was an Ebionite occult priest.
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=2749.0

[Peter]

You have so little respect for me, even as just a fellow human being, that you said you weren't even reading my replies to your posts.

Not: I don’t have spare time anymore, that’s why I can’t read your long posts.

The longer you failed to understand - to not get it - the longer I made my posts, to present an ever more thorough explanation. If you didn't have time to read replies, and engage in an exchange, you should have never kept posting. You knew and agreed to the forum rule that members are required to reply to responses to their posts, but now you've gone back on what you agreed to, seemingly without a second thought. But then you learned from a master cheat.
"...if I take an oath and later find something else better than that. then I do what is better and expiate my oath.' " Sahih Bukhari 7:67:427
Talk about a pure reprobate!
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=950.0

No more posts will be accepted from you UNLESS they conform to the only forum rule we have, which is that if our members post they are required to engage in an exchange. Any posts of topics unrelated to the prior ones you ignored, will be removed to storage, unless and until such time as you reply to all of the preceding replies to your posts.
If you wish to post further, start by quoting and replying to the post at the following link.
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=3098.msg12727#msg12727

[Peter]

Do you still not get that every time you try a new lie the result is always the same? We have a thread on the 16th century Mohammedan forgery of the Gospel of Barnabas.
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=465.0

Within it's blasphemy Jesus is even quoted as saying that He is not the Messiah, but that Muhammad is.

'Then said the priest: "How shall the Messiah be called?" {Jesus answered} "Muhammed is his blessed name" ' (ch. 97)[52]

Jesus confessed, and said the truth: "I am not the Messiah." (ch. 42:2)[53]

Is that what you were trained to believe? That Jesus isn't, but Muhammad was, the Messiah?

Now start with the post at the following link and work your way down. Single out and quote individual points if you choose, but not while ignoring the context they occur in. Quote what you are addressing to keep things organized.
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=3098.msg12727#msg12727

I warned you that any other subject outside of replying to posts you are ignoring would be removed. Yet the very next thing you did was again break your original promise to engage in good forum citizenship.
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=35.msg5830#msg5830
Your last post is moved to the spam category, temporarily, until you address the posts you have been ignoring. If you continue to ignore your responsibility, that post and all future unrelated posts, will eventually go to permanent offline storage.
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=3111.0

[Bornao]

So you quit?

[Peter]

So you quit?

You are the one that expiated your oath, just as your false prophet did before you. Click here to understand your obligation to all of the prior content you ignored.
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=3111.msg12745#msg12745

I forwarded the email to you in which you replied "I affirm the five points" as part of the terms of your registration. These 5 points.
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=35.msg5830#msg5830

[Peter]

Start at the requested post beginning with my first point.
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=3098.msg12727#msg12727

I will answer it here, as you wish…

If Hz.Muhammed was a false prophet, wouldn’t he prefer to say, “I am prophet of this idol or this cult figure.”

1. Yet Muhammad IS the prophet of the Quraish pagan's black stone idol, and the jinn-devil idol worship hills of Safa and Marwah.
Why would he have needed to say he was?

Is that true, and if so do you agree, or disagree with a reason?
Didn't the Quraish pagans venerate the very same black stone idol you do?
Didn't the Arabian jinn-devil worshipers run back and forth between al-Safa and al-Marwah 7 times as you do, but theirs in the way the ritual started in veneration two idols of the the most venerated priest and priestess - Asah and Naelah - of the Arabian jinn-devil religion?
http://www.petewaldo.com/hajj___umrah.htm#al_safa_al_marwah
http://www.petewaldo.com/origins_of_islam.htm

That means...
2. Muhammad IS the cult figure of his STAND-ALONE 7th century cult.
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=2461.0

As proven by the necessity for you to reject the 1600 year record of the ONE true God of the bible - as revealed through all of His prophets and witnesses, whose people have followed Him through two covenants for 3500 years - to follow Muhammad alone while declaring the exact opposite of the whole subject of the Gospel.

Two points for you to address.

[Peter]

http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=3111.0

[Bornao]

"Muhammad IS the prophet of the Quraish pagan's black stone idol, and the jinn-devil idol worship hills of Safa and Marwah."

Is this a question?

Let me help you a littel bit. Here is a question (without links and ect.)

Do you think is the black stone (hacerulesfed) is an idol?

or

What about black stone hacerulesved, isn't it an idol?

This is a question. Pure and clear. Without any insult and any comment.

If you want to comment my answer post it without insults in it.

Here is an example of a comment.

"No, Bornoa I am not satisfy with your answer, because I think like this and like that.

If you say.... Those are pagan works look at that ling look at this one here in the history... bla bla bla...

I don't even read this kind of comments. I don't have time for this. I am not at home siting on acouch and having funn. I am realy busy.

Here, take a shot. For ones, I will answer your question either is it about Quran or not.

[Peter]

"Muhammad IS the prophet of the Quraish pagan's black stone idol, and the jinn-devil idol worship hills of Safa and Marwah."

Is this a question?

Let me help you a littel bit. Here is a question (without links and ect.)

Do you think is the black stone (hacerulesfed) is an idol?

Of course it is. It cannot be denied that it was one of 360 idols that the Quraish pagans venerated, and Muhammad venerated, both as a pagan before, and after he invented Islam. The only reason Muhammad's followers venerate it today is because Muhammad said it was OK to do so - completely contrary to scripture.
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=2039.0

Seems Yahweh even arranged to have it broken to pieces like Abraham smashed his father's idols, yet Muhammad's followers cobbled the pieces together and continue to venerate it anyway.

Muhammad's followers continue to march around it 7 times as the Quraish did, kiss it as Muhammad did or at least point to it on each trip around, and rub on it, even today. Let alone prostrate toward the Quraish pagan's black stone idol and their Kaaba 5 times a day. Before you complain about the term "venerate", look it up. Muslims believe it represents Muhammad "Allah" the same way that the pagans believed it represented their pagan deity. I wasted enough time with the term venerate on this thread. You can learn from your brethren.
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=2039.msg7998#msg7998

or

What about black stone hacerulesved, isn't it an idol?

If I knew what you are talking about I might be able to answer better. If people venerate it the way Muhammad's followers venerate the Quraish pagan's black stone idol then yes, it is an idol.

This is a question. Pure and clear. Without any insult and any comment.

If you want to comment my answer post it without insults in it.

Here is an example of a comment.

"No, Bornoa I am not satisfy with your answer, because I think like this and like that.

If you say.... Those are pagan works look at that ling look at this one here in the history... bla bla bla...

I don't even read this kind of comments. I don't have time for this. I am not at home siting on acouch and having funn. I am realy busy.

Here, take a shot. For ones, I will answer your question either is it about Quran or not.

[Bornao]

"Muhammad IS the prophet of the Quraish pagan's black stone idol, and the jinn-devil idol worship hills of Safa and Marwah."

Is this a question?

Let me help you a littel bit. Here is a question (without links and ect.)

Do you think is the black stone (hacerulesfed) is an idol?

or

What about black stone hacerulesved, isn't it an idol?

This is a question. Pure and clear. Without any insult and any comment.

If you want to comment my answer post it without insults in it.

Here is an example of a comment.

"No, Bornoa I am not satisfy with your answer, because I think like this and like that.

If you say.... Those are pagan works look at that ling look at this one here in the history... bla bla bla...

I don't even read this kind of comments. I don't have time for this. I am not at home siting on acouch and having funn. I am realy busy.

Here, take a shot. For ones, I will answer your question either is it about Quran or not.

Are you answering my question examples?

[Peter]

"Muhammad IS the prophet of the Quraish pagan's black stone idol, and the jinn-devil idol worship hills of Safa and Marwah."

Is this a question?

Let me help you a littel bit. Here is a question (without links and ect.)

Do you think is the black stone (hacerulesfed) is an idol?

or

What about black stone hacerulesved, isn't it an idol?

This is a question. Pure and clear. Without any insult and any comment.

If you want to comment my answer post it without insults in it.

Here is an example of a comment.

"No, Bornoa I am not satisfy with your answer, because I think like this and like that.

Don't fabricate lies. I was dissatified that you didn't even read my replies, let alone didn't reply to them, at all.

If you say.... Those are pagan works look at that ling look at this one here in the history... bla bla bla...

Yea. Matters of fact are a real problem for Muhammad's followers, as you have learned repeatedly in here.

I don't even read this kind of comments. I don't have time for this. I am not at home siting on acouch and having funn. I am realy busy.

Here, take a shot. For ones, I will answer your question either is it about Quran or not.

Are you answering my question examples?

I answered both your questions, as thoroughly as I could, in order to save any confusion.  (I misread the first question and did not notice that word "hacerulesfed" was in both questions, and that you simply repeated the same question but with the negative)

Judging by this web page http://www.panoramio.com/photo/12859259 "hacerulesved" is a name for the black stone that you prostrate yourself toward 5 times a day. I will assume it is.

One can only choose the first:
"Do you think is the black stone (hacerulesfed) is an idol?" And the answer, again, is an undeniable "yes".

If you believe no, then please explain how the black stone idol changed between when the Quraish pagan's venerated it before Muhammad, to the time when Muhammad said it was OK for his followers to venerate it?

Additionally you seem to be saying that when I talk about the subject of Quraish pagan's black stone idol, that I shouldn't use the term pagan, but surely you can see the difficulty in avoiding the use of the word that happens to be the very subject that's being discussed.

Or are you suggesting that moon, sun, star and jinn-devil worshiping Quraish that venerated the 360 idols weren't pagans?

Or are you saying that you would rather be conversing in useless 500 character bits and pieces like the snipe-and-run cowards on YouTube do?

[Bornao]

Is the black stone idol?

Yeah. You caught us. 

We worship that stone as much as you worship cross and Hz.Jesus statues.

Don’t be funny. Any Muslim, I say ANY MUSLIM who askes something other than ALLAH is NOT A MUSLIM. (Don’t tell me you don’t worship crosses. I KNOW THAT)

If you want to know how your knowledge looks to Muslims watch this.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreen&NR=1&v=doL8AtLN9Aw


Is there anyone who can ask a question? I want to talk to someone who is serious.

Nobody showed me any QUESTION that I haven’t answer. That’s why I take I am over with brother Pete. (If you find any question that I missed, ask it in one sentence)

[Peter]

Is the black stone idol?

Yeah. You caught us. 

We worship that stone as much as you worship cross and Hz.Jesus statues.

You cannot deny that you ARE REQUIRED to prostrate toward the Quraish's black stone idol and their Kaaba, 5 times a day, and you are also required to travel to it and march around it just as the Arabians did before Muhammad - as articles of your faith in Muhammad and his alter-ego "Allah".
You do it even as Mecca is 1,200 kilometers away from THE Holy Land of the prophets and patriarchs, and over 1,000 kilometers away from where ANY of them are recorded as having traveled. This means it is a geographical impossibility that Islam or the Quraish's Kaaba ever had anything whatsoever to do with the God of the scriptures. It's origins are just as Arabian history, and even Islam's books tacitly attest.
http://www.petewaldo.com/origins_of_islam.htm

Regarding idolatry in the church we have a whole forum category devoted to Roman Church false doctrine, including a thread on idolatry.
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=75.0
Just one of a dozen parallels between the Roman Church and Islam
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=512.0

Don’t be funny. Any Muslim, I say ANY MUSLIM who askes something other than ALLAH is NOT A MUSLIM. (Don’t tell me you don’t worship crosses. I KNOW THAT)

I said you VENERATE that black stone idol. The Arabian pagans VENERATED the very same black stone as well - along with 359 others.

If you want to know how your knowledge looks to Muslims watch this.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreen&NR=1&v=doL8AtLN9Aw

You don't even read my posts that you solicit, yet you expect me to spend my time watching a 55 minute video by some poor deluded young antichrist, who would be unable to show us any more history of Mecca or pre-Muhammad Islam than you have. I know this because I have been asking for such evidence of Muhammadans for 2 years now.

Is there anyone who can ask a question? I want to talk to someone who is serious.

My friend, serious people study what they believe. You specifically avoid studying the whole basis of your beliefs because you understand full well that knowledge leads to the undeniable conclusion that Muhammadanism is nothing more than baseless 7th to 10th century fiction created by a bunch of semi-literate SW Arabian desert dwellers.

In that light, what answers do you think you could possibly have to offer anyone, when you run and hide from factual information, about the very subject that that you offer to field questions on?
We understand well why you hide from the absent history of Mecca and the textual history of the book of the lone prophet that you follow.

If you want to field a question about the Quran, why don't you explain why Al-Nasikh wal-Mansoukh is required, to sort the mess out?
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=116.0

Nobody showed me any QUESTION that I haven’t answer.

From just the first three pages of this thread
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=3098.msg12444#msg12444
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=3098.msg12451#msg12451
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=3098.msg12454#msg12454
And what you call an "answer"...
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=3098.msg12484#msg12484
"As I said, I don't have any interest about he history."
My reply to that non-answer in the following link, that included more questions, that you ignored....
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=3098.msg12489#msg12489
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=3098.msg12462#msg12462
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=3098.msg12465#msg12465
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=3098.msg12471#msg12471
Need I list more? Simply starting at the beginning of the thread anyone can see all of the questions you ignored.

That’s why I take I am over with brother Pete. (If you find any question that I missed, ask it in one sentence)