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This is not a political forum, nor will it be.
This thread is posted because, through Obama's speedy return of the bust of Winston Churchill, that was on loan to the White House right after 9-11, as a symbol of our two country's mutual anti-terrorist resolve, Obama may have offered considerable insight regarding his claim of being a former Muslim.

What would cause Obama to engage in such a serious blunder when Churchill has been "voted the greatest Briton in history".

The subject.

In the words of a great world leader:

"How dreadful are the curses which Mohammedanism lays on its votaries! Besides the fanatical frenzy, which is as dangerous in a man as hydrophobia in a dog, there is this fearful fatalistic apathy. The effects are apparent in many countries. Improvident habits, slovenly systems of agriculture, sluggish methods of commerce and insecurity of property exist wherever the followers of the Prophet rule or live... The fact that in Mohammedan law every woman must belong to some man as his absolute property, either as a child, a wife, or a concubine, must delay the final extinction of slavery until the faith of Islam has ceased to be a great power among men. Individual Moslems may show splendid qualities... but the influence of the religion paralyzes the social development of those who follow it. No stronger retrograde force exists in the world. Far from being moribund, Mohammedanism is a militant and proselytizing faith. It has already spread throughout Central Africa... and were it not that Christianity is sheltered in the strong arms of science, the science against which it had vainly struggled, the civilization of modern Europe might fall, as fell the civilization of ancient Rome." - by Sir Winston Churchill - The River War, Vol. II, pp. 248-50, London; Longman, Green & Co., 1899

Certainly prophetic words, as Europe secularized over the following century and, as we witness today, is falling to Islam.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iQqIpdBOg6I

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Re: Barak Obama returns bust of Winston Churchill to Brits - Why?
« Reply #1 on: August 05, 2009, 02:06:18 PM »
I am new to this site. I have been a serious Bible student for many years and have learned to take a lot of information with a grain of salt etc. Most importantly, does it (the info) line up with Gods word? I have found a great wealth of info here at this site of which very very little do I find "questionable" Good job! An interesting bit of info, maybe some insight on it? http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=2fa_1248799613&p=1

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Re: Barak Obama returns bust of Winston Churchill to Brits - Why?
« Reply #2 on: August 05, 2009, 02:24:25 PM »
I am new to this site. I have been a serious Bible student for many years and have learned to take a lot of information with a grain of salt etc. Most importantly, does it (the info) line up with Gods word? I have found a great wealth of info here at this site of which very very little do I find "questionable" Good job! An interesting bit of info, maybe some insight on it? http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=2fa_1248799613&p=1

Welcome to the forum and may God bless you. :)
I was saved a half dozen years ago and was called to ministry a few years ago. I was beginning to write about futurist doctrine, and in that process, the Lord helped me to overcome that doctrine. My introduction to the traditional continuous-historic view of prophecy, for New Testament prophecy, came by way of Ellis Skolfield who has written about the central role of Islam in bible prophecy for almost 30 years. The quickest way to catch up with this forum is to read "The False Prophet", available absolutely free online:
http://www.beholdthebeast.com/the_false_prophet.htm

While the book was available in PDF at the author's site, http://www.ellisskolfield.net/ I wanted to publish an HTML version with links to individual pages etc. and sought out the author's permission to do so.

Over the last few years I have increasingly ministered to Muslims, and away from bringing the message to the church which seems determined to make the Word of God of none effect, like the Pharisees before them, through pop end-time traditions.
Muslims have been teaching me about Islam (though I suspect most would probably like to deny that!) which really helps understand what makes them tick. The YouTube community seems to provide fertile ground for reaching Muslims.

Websites subsequent to my journey, in order of when I began them, are:
http://www.beholdthebeast.com/
http://www.israelinbibleprophecy.com/
http://www.islamandthetruth.com/
http://petewaldo.com/

My advice is to read brother Skolfield's book first. It is fun to read and provides a good lesson in how to study scripture. This is no flavor of the month eschatology.
He has a writing style that's fun to read. Try just a chapter:
http://www.beholdthebeast.com/the_great_detective.htm

Eighty year old Ellis Skolfield was raised in the scriptures on his mother's knee as missionaries in the Phillippines, attended Columbia Bible College in the 1950s and where his studies centered around biblical archeology and eschatology. A dispensational institution he became a dispensational pastor for many years, but increasingly found deficiencies in that doctrine. In an effort to shore up it's foundations, he came to understand that it was built on shifting sands. He became a successful entrepreneur but after selling his business and retiring was called back into the Word of God.
His study comes from setting aside commentaries and immersing himself in scripture for a couple of years while letting the bible explain and define it's own terms.

Try a peek at some prophetic math that the church can't see, here: http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=77.0

All of the material in this forum, or my websites, is intended as seed for further study and is not intended to convey any pretense of authority. Please feel al liberty to challenge ALL of it.

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Re: Barak Obama returns bust of Winston Churchill to Brits - Why?
« Reply #3 on: August 05, 2009, 03:58:45 PM »
Dear Peter,

Many thanks for the reply. As to my original question, any comment on the link?

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Re: Barak Obama returns bust of Winston Churchill to Brits - Why?
« Reply #4 on: August 05, 2009, 04:05:25 PM »
Dear Peter,

Many thanks for the reply. As to my original question, any comment on the link?
Whoops! Sorry :P I forgot. Will look now. If you mean the cover video, let me comment as I watch it:
I'll keep adding till I'm done.

He said he would report "the facts". His first premise is that the New Testament was written in Koine Greek (which I agree with), but that Jesus spoke Aramaic. I don't know how this is supported. When Jesus addressed a crowd in the first century Greek speaking world, did He speak Aramic? Might that be like someone in the U.S. addressing a crowd of businessmen in Yiddish?

Second premise was that the Old Testament was written in Hebrew. It largely was, however in the book of Daniel, for example, the first portion (first half of the bifid) Dan 2:4 through Dan 7:28 is written in high Syriac - to Gentiles - and the second portion (second half of the bifid) was written in Hebrew - to the Jews. http://www.beholdthebeast.com/bifids_chiasms.htm

The bigger question that needs to be answered before fingering Barak Obama is how can we come up with a single individual prophesied as "The" "Antichrist" from the verses that actually contain the term?

Here are all the verses that contain the term: http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=252.0

Though I have little doubt that Obama is a closet Muslim, which would make him an antichrist;

1 John 2:22  Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son. 23 Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: [(but) he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father al

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Re: Barak Obama returns bust of Winston Churchill to Brits - Why?
« Reply #5 on: August 05, 2009, 04:27:33 PM »
Have you seen (heard) the video by will.i.am of "Yes we can" played backwards?
All in good fun:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ajsov1M4h50
You can watch his ears and horns grow on this one:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=021drUxrzEw

http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=yes+we+can+thank+you+satan&search_type=&aq=0&oq=yes+we+can+than

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Re: Barak Obama returns bust of Winston Churchill to Brits - Why?
« Reply #6 on: August 05, 2009, 05:25:32 PM »
Thanks again! I agree with your commentary. The video is another intriguing arguement just like the YES WE CAN video. Yes, there are and will be many anti-christs. I firmly believe and teach born again christians to be 3 things. To be informed, to be prepared and to be ready spiritually as well as physically. My household is first and formost spiritually ready and about testifying the grace of God daily. We are also physically ready too. Exciting days to say the least. Keep up the good work!

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Re: Barak Obama returns bust of Winston Churchill to Brits - Why?
« Reply #7 on: May 01, 2011, 10:53:32 AM »
LONDON DAILY TELEGRAPH
 
The American people can now more readily 'understand' why the Obama's were omitted from the guest list to the Royal wedding in April!

 


This is worth reading. We know how other countries feel about us.  Hopefully we can change all this.  Now we will see why some of the other 'friendly' nations really don't like us now.

 

This is a very sobering article.  Our handling of relationships with the Britons over the oil spill won't help either.

 

 


 

From The London Daily Telegraph Editor On Foreign Relations


Quote:

"Let me be clear: I'm not normally in favor of boycotts, and I love the
American people.  I holiday in their country regularly, and hate the tedious snobby sneers against the United States.  But the American people chose to elect an idiot who seems hell bent on insulting their allies, and something must be done to stop Obama's reckless foreign policy, before he does the dirty on his allies on every issue."
 
One of the most poorly kept secrets in Washington is President Obama's animosity toward Great Britain, presumably because of what he regards as its sins while ruling Kenya (1895-1963).
 
One of Barack Hussein Obama's first acts as president was to return to Britain a bust of Winston Churchill that had graced the Oval Office since 9/11.  He followed this up by denying Prime Minister Gordon Brown, on his first state visit, the usual joint press conference with flags.
 
The president was "too tired" to grant the leader of America 's closest ally a proper welcome, his aides told British journalists.
 
Mr. Obama followed this up with cheesy gifts for Mr. Brown and the Queen.  Columnist Ian Martin described his behavior as "rudeness personified." There was more rudeness in store for Mr. Brown at the opening session of the United Nations in September.  "The prime minister was forced to dash through the kitchens of the UN in New York to secure five minutes of face time with President Obama after five requests for a sit down meeting were rejected by the White House," said London Telegraph columnist David Hughes.  Mr. Obama's "churlishness is unforgivable," Mr. Hughes said.
 
The administration went beyond snubs and slights last week when Secretary of State Hillary Clinton endorsed the demand of Argentine President Cristina Kirchner, a Hugo Chavez ally, for mediation of Argentina's specious claim to the Falkland Islands, a British dependency since 1833. The people who live in the Falklands, who speak English, want nothing to do with Argentina.  When, in 1982, an earlier Argentine dictatorship tried to seize the Falklands by force, the British -- with strong support from President Ronald Reagan -- expelled them.
 
"It is truly shocking that Barack Obama has decided to disregard our shared history," wrote Telegraph columnist Toby Young. "Does Britain's friendship really mean so little to him?"   One could ask, does the friendship of anyone in the entire world mean anything to him?

"I recently asked several senior administration officials, separately, to
name a foreign leader with whom Barack Obama has forged a strong personal relationship during his first year in office," wrote Jackson Diehl, deputy editorial page editor of the Washington Post, on Monday. "A lot of hemming and hawing ensued."  One official named French President Nicolas Sarkozy, but his contempt for Mr. Obama is an open secret.  Another named German Chancellor Angela Merkel. But, said Mr. Diehl, "Merkel too has been conspicuously cool toward Obama."

 
Mr. Obama certainly doesn't care about the Poles and Czechs, whom he has betrayed on missile defense.  Honduras and Israel also can attest that he's been an unreliable ally and an unfaithful friend.  Ironically, our relations with both  Israel and the Palestinian Authority have never been worse.  Russia has offered nothing in exchange for Mr. Obama's abandonment of missile defense.  Russia and China won't support serious sanctions on Iran.  Syria's support for terrorism has not diminished despite efforts to normalize diplomatic relations.  The reclusive military dictatorship that runs Burma has responded to our efforts at "engagement" by deepening its ties to North Korea.
 
And the Chinese make little effort to disguise their contempt for him.

For the first time in a long time, the President of the United States is actually distrusted by its allies and not in the least feared by its adversaries.  Nor is Mr. Obama now respected by the majority of Americans.  Understandably focused on the dismal economy and Mr. Obama's relentless efforts to nationalize and socialize health care, Americans apparently have yet to notice his dismal performance and lack of respect in the world community.


 

They soon will. ................( I PRAY THAT PEOPLE WAKE UP BEFORE IT'S TOO LATE!!!)

 
--London Daily Telegraph editor -- Alex Singleton