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Re: ISLAM, QURAN AND 666
« Reply #25 on: May 24, 2013, 04:59:37 PM »
Lets explore my conversion story and let's examine the reasons I left christianity.

I converted to Christianity in 2006.

"Converted" from what?
What makes you believe you were ever a Christian?
It would be one thing if you had never been shown the truth Azeez. It's possible you could have pleaded ignorance when standing in judgment:

Rom 4:15 Because the law worketh wrath: for where no law is, [there is] no transgression.

If you had not been shown the truth, you might not have been judged as understanding but then rejecting the law, when you stand in judgment before the very Son of God, the false prophet Muhammad convinced you to deny:

Jhn 5:22 For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son:

But you have been shown the truth, understood the truth, and rejected the truth. You will be judged on the basis of having had your eyes wide open, and then rejecting the truth. It would have been better for you not to have ever known the way:

2Pe 2:21 For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known [it], to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them. 22 But it is happened unto them according to the true proverb, The dog [is] turned to his own vomit again; and the sow that was washed to her wallowing in the mire.

We'll pray for you my friend.

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Warning about PETEWALDO.
« Reply #26 on: June 07, 2013, 03:41:00 PM »
Pete Waldo: the founder of this forum and most (if not all) of those anti-Islamic sites he promotes.

He says "if you feel I am preaching lies, join the forum and tell us".

This is a bunch of crap.

He says he wants the truth.  Yet he defends lies.

He attacks my faith (Islam) by constantly beating around the bush and avoiding issues of doctrine and morality.  This is what ministers are trained to do "attack attack attack, never defend the bible because you'll lose badly"

I can and will DESTROY Christianity.

If you are reading this Pete Waldo...lets do my proposal I offered u in Private Messaging on this forum: "I attack Christianity by my future websites...if you can defeat my attacks, I will re-vert back to m former faith (Christianity)".

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« Reply #27 on: June 07, 2013, 08:17:53 PM »
Well then why not enter into an honest one on one debate with him here?  Why not honestly address the isssues he raises instead of obfuscating and hurling false accusations?
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Rom 1:16  For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth;.....

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Re: Warning about PETEWALDO.
« Reply #28 on: June 08, 2013, 04:11:48 AM »
Starting a new thread, in which you reduced yourself to substanceless false accusation, won't make the thread you have ignored magically go away, so I merged your new thread with the thread that you are trying to run and hide from.

Pete Waldo: the founder of this forum and most (if not all) of those anti-Islamic sites he promotes.

He says "if you feel I am preaching lies, join the forum and tell us".

This is a bunch of crap.

But you did join the forum, and you did your best to tell us. It was your abject failure to defend Muhammad and his adopted and adapted and thinly veneered pagan Arabian moon, sun, star and jinn-devil worship rituals that caused you to run away. Simply starting another thread won't make that failure go away.

The last time you were left speechless and unable to reply to simple questions, you ran away to personal messaging, as if that would help make the truth go away. I'll copy and paste the emails for the benefit of others, part of which I already replied to.

Then this time, once again, rather than simply engaging in an exchange as you agreed to do as part of the terms of joining the forum, and replying to the thread - as you have repeatedly failed to do - you start yet another thread perhaps hoping that a false personal attack, instead of a substantive response, will make this thread go away.

He says he wants the truth.  Yet he defends lies.

Always the same tired old false accusations from Muhammad's followers, but never with specifics. Typical of Muhammad's followers, believing that simply because they are willing to declare something, means it will magically come true. Anyone with a shred of capacity for critical thought, can see that this thread bears witness, that it is you that you describe in your false accusations. When not making empty, unsupported, false accusations, Muhammad's followers otherwise simply make empty false  preposterous claims against the one true God of the Bible as you did throughout this thread and your email, as if your willingness to simply declare something will magically make it magically come true. Exactly in the mold of Muhammad's 7th to 10th century Islamic so-called "tradition" fiction creators. Inventing thousands of years of pre-Muhammad history from thin air, without reference to any actual historical record, that preceded the 5th century AD.

False accusation is, however, what Christians are to expect in these times, of those that serve the father of lies through his "prophet" Muhammad:

2 Timothy 3:1 This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come.    2 For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy,    3  Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good,    4  Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;

He attacks my faith (Islam)........

You are welcome to have faith in the tooth fairy, but that doesn't mean she will magically become  real, or true. As revealed through countless threads in this forum, and in this thread in which you failed to engage in an exchange, your faith is placed in a cult that follows Muhammad alone that demonstrates itself to be an epic failure whether investigated in terms of scripture, history, archaeology or geography. The exact opposite of that revealed through the scriptures of the ONE true God YHWH, that are supported by history, archaeology, as well as physical geographical reality. That's just the way it is my friend, which you further confirm, through your continuing epic failure to defend Muhammad's "religion".

....... by constantly beating around the bush ........

Any sane person can review this thread and judge your false accusation for themselves. What I did is the exact opposite of that which you describe. I engaged in specifics which you were unable to respond to.

....... and avoiding issues of doctrine and morality.

When you don't engage in specifics your words are exposed as nothing more than empty, hollow, unsupported, false accusation. I'll merge this thread with the last one to make it easier for you to quote that to which you are referring.

Regarding issues of morality, let's start with 53 year old Muhammad's doing a 9 year old little girl:
http://www.islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=769.msg11717#msg11717

Then perhaps move on to the beheading murder of the innocent Jewish farm boys of the Banu Qurayza:
http://www.petewaldo.com/banu_qurayza_massacre.htm

Then perhaps move on to his female prisoner rape:
Bukhari:V5B59N459 "I entered the Mosque, saw Abu, sat beside him and asked about sex. Abu Said said, 'We went out with Allah's Apostle and we received female slaves from among the captives. We desired women and we loved to do coitus interruptus.'"
http://www.searchtruth.com/searchHadith.php?keyword=coitus&translator=1&search=1&book=&start=0&records_display=10&search_word=all

This is what ministers are trained to do "attack attack attack, never defend the bible because you'll lose badly"

As you can see from this thread that's simply not true Azeez. I pointed out the hundreds of verses that declare Jesus the Son of God and God His Father. Christians are called to preach the Gospel which I also did.
http://www.islamandthetruth.com/the_lamb_slain.htm
The reason it may seem like an attack to you, is that the false prophet Muhammad proclaimed the EXACT OPPOSITE of the WHOLE SUBJECT of the Gospel, as I already patiently explained. Each and every one of his followers is antichrist. It's sad but true.
If Muhammad were a true prophet, then ALL of the prophets and witnesses in the 1600 year record of YHWH to mankind - including Jesus - are false.

Azeez, why don't you try an answer this time. If you were to confess that Jesus is the Son of God, wouldn't you be committing the most egregious, and ONLY UNFORGIVABLE SIN in Muhammad's cult? As compared to raping a little girl or cold-blooded mass murder, which may be forgiven?

I can and will DESTROY Christianity.

My friend, Christianity has been around for nearly 2,000 years, so it's unlikely that Azeez Abdullah - "Abdullah" meaning slave of the Quraish pagan deity "Allah" just as Muhammad's father and other Arabian pagans were named - will destroy Christianity. Each time I invited you to do so you failed epically. Why not go back to the beginning of this thread and actually try responding?

If you are reading this Pete Waldo...lets do my proposal I offered u in Private Messaging on this forum: "I attack Christianity by my future websites...if you can defeat my attacks, .......

Which I have repeatedly done in this thread, to which you continue to be unable to respond.
Do you really think it wise to be risking God's judgement by being responsible for uploading yet another Islamic pack of lies from the father of lies?

....... I will re-vert back to m former faith (Christianity)".

As I have patiently and repeatedly explained, you were never a Christian my friend. I can know this from scripture. If you had been born again, you wouldn't have been able to be duped by the false prophet Muhammad:

Mat 24:24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if [it were] possible, they shall deceive the very elect.

And we are still waiting for you to tell us what you were, before you deceived yourself into believing you became a Christian in 2006.

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« Reply #29 on: June 08, 2013, 05:03:48 AM »
If you are reading this Pete Waldo...lets do my proposal I offered u in Private Messaging on this forum: "I attack Christianity by my future websites...if you can defeat my attacks, I will re-vert back to m former faith (Christianity)".

Let's review your messages and my replies:

Dear PeteWaldo.   Are you planning on stomping my words into the ground as if they were dung or are you going to give me the benefit of the doubt that YOU COULD BE WRONG.

I'm always open to correcting error. The last thing I would want is to stand in judgment, particularly having taught error, in any of my materials. I believe teachers will be held to a higher standard of judgment.

Are you so prideful that you won't even consider hearing what we Muslims have to say in response to these obserd allegations?

Which allegations? If you could simply respond to my posts, as you agreed to do when you joined the forum, I could know what "absurd allegations" you are talking about.

God forbid.  I left christianity for a reason.

Then I would suggest it's a shame that you were never born again. Let's explore the reasons you did.

I only wish you understood why from my point of view.

Perhaps I could, if you would simply respond to my replies to you.

If you are willing to listen and see christianity through alternative viewpoint......

I can only see my Christianity through the scriptures.

.....then hold on for a ride that will shake your faith till all that is left is the truth.

Then why not start with substantive and relevant responses to the content of my posts, instead of wasting time in PMing?

All I want is the truth.  I won't stand for bulls**t.

That's why I posted the scriptures rather than the empty words of men. Why not simply respond to them?
Please feel free to break them down into lots of small posts is you like, while answering point by point.
http://www.islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=3622.msg14945#msg14945
http://www.islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=3622.msg14945#msg14945

And

Sounds very reaonable.  I may start new posts instead of replying to the other posts.......

But that would go against what you agreed to when you joined the forum. All we ask of folks is to engage in exchange. That's basically the only forum rule, besides not posting a mass of points in one post, or posting a blizzard of posts without replying to responses.
http://www.islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=35.0

Could you please extend me the courtesy, and appreciation for the time I spent in reply, by beginning where we left off?
We have a lot of important ground to cover in just those two posts, without getting distracted with more. I can split the 666 post off from your first post too:
http://www.islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=1308.msg14935#msg14935
And already split this one off:
http://www.islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=3633.0

Point by point is best. I detail a little about quoting posts and forum mechanics here:
http://www.islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=39.0

........  I've replied on (as you mentioned in the PM you sent me).

Iron sharpens iron.

This was followed by a discussion about iphone apps for the forum. Then:

I read your reply.  I have questions for you personally.

Do you believe the following statements:
1. "The truth stands distinct and separate from error."
2. "The truth will always prove itself to be true."

It certainly has for me. I even have a site that points out error of a virtually a unanimity of the "church".
http://www.christianeschatology.com/

Take the example of PotatoMuslim who came to this forum to school me. He DID school me and brought some information that I had not been made aware of before. However he thought it would make everything I claim about Mecca not existing before the 4th century, wrong, but what it wound up doing was reinforcing the fact that Mecca never existed before the 4th century AD. That's the wonderful thing about truth. It stands on its own while being evermore confirmed. Please read this thread, my friend, it won't take that long.
http://www.islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=3631.0

Jhn 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

You won't won't receive a new heart from the God of the scriptures, through thinly veneered Arabian pagan jinn-devil worship rituals, and Quraish pagan black stone idol veneration, my friend.

and

I have a proposal for you.

If you can provide me with a list of your objections to islam, .........

Don't be ridiculous. It isn't about MY objections but the objections of the one true God YHWH as revealed through the scriptures. I already showed you the scriptures proclaim you and Muhammad blaspheming, lying, antichrists. Please review my posts.

....... I will attempt to refute those topics on my website that I've been wanting to address my beliefs on for some time now.

I will post my own articles with my research about what I believe concerning christianity and islam.

I invite you to make a new website (if you won't do it because of money....we'll talk about it) refuting my arguments against christianity and for islam.

If I am convinced that you have defeated my arguments, I will repent of islam and will come back to christianity ........

This suggestion alone shows you were never a Christian, so you wouldn't be going back to Christianity. Not a single person in the world has ever been saved through their heads. Only Jesus can give you a new heart, and only when you are ready for Him to. Until then you will remain bound by Satan as a slave to your flesh, while prostrating toward the Quraish pagan's black stone idol 5 times a day.

........  and join your efforts to fight islam.

Why would you want to waste your time lying on a website when you failed epically to even begin to reply to my responses to you in this forum? Why not start there?

What do you think about this proposal?

I think it's as if you never read a single post of mine. In fact insultingly so.
All you have to do to fulfill both of our participation in your "proposal", is to start from my first post in our chat, and this time instead of ignoring my posts answer to them line by line, post by post, from the beginning.
Unfortunately no amount of obfuscation or foolishness you hope to engage in will ever change THE FACT that Muhammad proclaimed the exact opposite of the WHOLE SUBJECT of the Gospel. Indeed Islam is as opposite to Christianity as Muhammad was of Jesus.

Followed by (unfortunately I didn't save my replies, however I also began to respond to the replies in the forum)

Do you want to explain to me why you are so damn full of pride that you won't even consider that I know things you don't about your religion.   I can destroy christianity.

I'm offering you the opportunity to refute my articles and IF YOU CAN....I WILL CONVERT BACK TO MY FORMER FAITH (christianity).

I'm not foolish, I have solid research reasons why I left christianity.    I am promising you IF YOU CAN REFUTE MY ARTICLES I WILL CLME BACK TO CHRISTIANITY.  if I were ingaging in deceit why would I put my own beliefs on the line?

What do you have to be afraid of?  If you win...you will win a soul.  What are you afraid of??   If you are right then are dual will prove it.

Lets look at the evidence I have against christianity.

I have proof that....:
-Jesus is not God
-Jesus is not God's son
-term "son of God" was not a good thing in JCs time
-Paul is 666
-Paul and Jesus didn't agree
-Jesus warned us about Paul
-Jesus preached islam
-Jesus preached Muhammad's coming
-Jesus's gospel is very different than Paul's gospel
-Paul's gospel is 100 percent new info
-Jesus's gospel is same one all prophets before him preached.
-Jesus's preached taking responsibility for your sins
-Paul preached Jesus died for all your sins (personal responsibility is not necessary)

To which I began to respond in the forum at this link, http://www.islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=3633.msg15007#msg15007 but it is yet to be met with a response by Azeez.

Not surprising since he never even began to engage in an exchange, beginning with his claim in his first post:

Muhammad is not the antichrist/beast/666.  I can provide irrefutable evidence to prove his innocence of being called antichrist/beast/666.

He failed altogether to reply to my response in the second post, http://www.islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=3633.msg14936#msg14936 in which I pointed out through scripture that Muhammad, as well as his 1.5 billion followers, are all antichrist.

1 John 2:22  Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son. 23 Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: [(but) he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also].

Indeed necessarily so as an article of their faith in the false prophet Muhammad alone. Committing the most egregious - and only unforgivable sin in their cult - if a follower of Muhammad were to confess that Jesus is the Son of God or even pray in Jesus' name. As opposed to child rape, or cold-blooded mass murder, which may be forgiven.
http://www.petewaldo.com/unforgivable_shirk.htm

Yet: 1Jo 4:15 Whosoever shall confess that Jesus is the Son of God, God dwelleth in him, and he in God.

Let's look at the definition of the term "cult": http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ompcT_0UDq0

From now on, every post you put in this forum will be consolidated with this thread, to prevent you from trying to run and hide from it. Additionally anything that does not address my several replies to you, that you ignored from the start, will be moved to spam, until and unless you begin replying to my responses to you. Beginning with the second post in this thread, that I authored in reply to your original post.

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Re: ISLAM, QURAN AND 666
« Reply #30 on: June 13, 2013, 03:16:01 AM »
Azeez

I still want to know what type of faith you were BEFORE you said you became a Christian.  Also, you said you wanted the REAL truth.  Does Allah make any sense to you?  He blinds non believers so they cannot see the truth EVER.  He hates Jews (especially them) and wants nothing from them.  Guess what?  Your Allah created those Jews, did he not?  If he didn't create them, then who did?  Needless to say, them Jews are PURE EVIL according to Allah and he wants them destroyed.  Now, suppose you were born a Jew and you converted over to Islam.  Would Allah forgive you?  Not a chance!  He blinded you, remember? 

Look.  I understand where you're coming from but you are indeed living and believing in a lie.  You have only two choices.  Learn now and start asking yourself some SERIOUS questions.  I promise you this.  Why do you think the Holy Bible is not allowed to be sold, spoken about or anything else in a dominate Muslim controlled environment?  Because your book called the Quran tells you not to think or even ask SERIOUS questions.  You are to only do as you are told.  That's it.  Why?  If you were to really study it, you will discover it is PURE EVIL and all lies.  That's why you are not allowed to think.  Just do as I say.

If you choose to live that life of a lie and die before you know the real truth as to which we are trying to lead you to, you will meet Jesus and, unfortunately, He (Jesus) will send you straight to hell.  You can't argue with Jesus for you will lose each and every time.  He makes no exceptions for anybody.  You die, you deny Jesus as the Son of God, you go to fire and brimstone forever.  No exceptions.  I don't want to see you go there but sometimes death is the only way that you will then see what we have been telling you all along was indeed the absolute truth but you decided to listen to Satan and trust him instead.  He (Satan) could care less what you do but Satan FORBIDS you to even contemplate accepting Jesus as your personal savior because Satan KNOWS that if you do decide to accept Jesus, you can be with Him forever.  Satan know this verse and he wants you to not see it.  Satan knows EXACTLY how you are supposed to go to heaven and Satan will steer you away from it.

John 3:18 He that believeth on him (Jesus) is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. 

Suppose that verse was in the Quran.  Would you accept Jesus on that statement?  Well, it's not in the Quran.  Why is that verse or any other verse like it not the Quran.  Because the Quran is trying to keep you FAR FAR AWAY from that truth.  Just do as I say and ignore the Holy Bible, believe in the Quran ONLY and everything will be fine, that is, until you die.  Then you can know the real truth to your hearts content for it won't matter anymore. 

With that said, when you die, where do you want to be?  In heaven or in the lake of fire and brimstone?  If you die without Jesus, you will burn and know the real truth or you can take the free gift from Jesus.  You can't say I believe now when you are dead and all will be forgiven.  No.  When you die, that's it.  Your fate is sealed and it cannot be changed.  I assure you that EVERYONE in hell knows the real truth and if they could do it all over again, they would accept Jesus immediately.  He's waiting for you right now and you can avoid the fire and brimstone altogether.

We all here on this forum are praying for you.

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Re: ISLAM, QURAN AND 666
« Reply #31 on: June 29, 2013, 08:25:49 AM »
If you choose to live that life of a lie and die before you know the real truth as to which we are trying to lead you to....

But unfortunately for him, with claims of having believed himself to have been a Christian, he obviously must have known enough about the real truth to know where the truth resides. Indeed he has been exposed to enough of the truth in this thread to perhaps be held accountable for it. It would be one thing if he were an ignorant 7th century SW Arabian desert dweller that had never heard the Gospel. I'm certainly not suggesting I can know God's judgment on anyone, but some may be saved through their abject ignorance:

Rom 4:15 Because the law worketh wrath: for where no law is, [there is] no transgression.

However Azeez has seen the truth and turned away from it:

2Pe 2:21 For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known [it], to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them. 22 But it is happened unto them according to the true proverb, The dog [is] turned to his own vomit again; and the sow that was washed to her wallowing in the mire.

Seems perhaps the slave of the Quraish pagan's deity "Allah", that is Abdullah, will stand in judgment without excuse.

The truth is obvious, yet look at the choice he has made instead. A slave making and trading, child doing, mass murdering, female prisoner abusing, cutthroat thief:
http://www.prophetofdoom.net/

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Re: ISLAM, QURAN AND 666
« Reply #32 on: August 29, 2013, 01:49:09 PM »
Some interesting points Azeez made to me that proves that he himself knows nothing about Christianity AND Islam.  Here are some of his own words.

"We want you to go to heaven".  Thank you. I want me to go to heaven as well. 

You don't know who I am.  You don't know my morals.  You don't even know my religious background.  Stop being so judgmental about me.

I grew up in a Christian home.  We went to church every Sunday (and Wednesday if we could).  In 2004 I converted to christianity.  In 2008 I became a licensed Christian minister.  I converted to Islam in 2011 because I used my brain and questioned my religious beliefs.

The people like you LOVE to pick apart someone else's beliefs and (especially mine
(Islam is "the most MISUNDERSTOOD religion" and the FASTEST GROWING religion).
While you are totally and completely unaware of the fact that thousands of Christians LEAVE Christianity FOR A REASON.  This "reason" is the fact that christianity has SERIOUS problems.

And...

I REALLY do want to go to heaven whatever it takes.

Human life is PRECIOUS.   Islam STRICKLY FORBIDS the slaughter of innocent human life.

You said "if u really were a Christian you wouldn't have left".   Do you even know what Jesus even taught?  Let me tell u what Jesus taught.
Jesus taught that you MUST not worship Jesus and believe that he is your God and yosavior (like u say he did).  Jesus said u MUST OBEY THE COMMANDMENTS inorder to go to heaven: MATTHEW 19: 16-19

If Jesus was God the way to heaven was believe that Jesus is god and your savior and that he died on the cross to eliminate ur sins and free you from the responsibility of the consequences of ur actions

He would have told that man.

According to you...JESUS LIED about what we are to do to go to heaven.

Really?

I can admit I'm wrong if I'm proven wrong in a logical and reasonable manner.
I can reason with you.
I can debate christianity vs Islam in a logical and reasonable manner (I know christianity doctrine backwards and forwards).
So, you know Christianity backwards and forwards.  OK.  Let's see how true that is based that YOU SAID you were born in a Christian home and converted to Christianity.  However, the point of you converting to Christianity cannot be proven since you obviously didn't accept Jesus in your life.  Son, That is Christianity!

To answer your questions:
---myself and ALL MUSLIMS EVERYWHERE have these same beliefs (believe it or not)

-We worship the god of Abraham, Ishmael, Isaac and Jacob
-we believe very strongly that HUMAN LIFE IS PRECIOUS and MURDER IS WRONG

-We believe in Jesus (only true Muslims believe in Jesus and his message)
-We believe that Muhammad IS NOT above anybody (including Jesus).
-Our version of salvation is the same as all the prophets (Abraham, Moses, Isaiah, Jeremiah, Ezekiel, Daniel, and so on) "TURN FROM YOUR WICKED WAYS AND OBEY THE COMMANDMENTS OF THE ONE AND ONLY GOD OUR CREATOR.

Paul is a FALSE APOSTLE.  He pissed on everything God has ordained

(righteousness through obedience to God's commandments sent to mankind to be a blessing that we may prosper in the land we live in.)

By making up his false gospel (I'm sure your plenty aware of his false gospel) "Jesus died for all of your sins.  He saved you from the curse of the law".

Your religion offers this world NOTHING but irresponsibility.

Islam offers this world EVERYTHING GOOD THAT PLEASES THE GOD THAT MADE US and A SYSTEM OF PERSONAL RESPONSIBILTY.
  When I explained to him, yet again just as everybody else has, he called me this.  I expect Islam to treat all in said manner.  Never did get an apology.  Go figure. ::)

You are an ignorant individual that is completely full of pride and you love God's creation more than God himself.  You won't listen to anything I say.  I have evidence that I can destroy christianity yet your ears, eyes and mind refuse to hear, see and understand the truth so that your soul will be saved.  I feel sorry for your deaf/blind/(unable to comprehend) soul that refuses to listen.
Finally, his true motive come to light.
If you can't understand that there is only one god and one god only......then I can't help you.  If you keep rejecting the fact that the word Islam means "peaceful and loving submition to the one and only god our creator......them I again can't help you.

I don't want your Jesus.  I do not need Jesus.  If I go to hell for rejecting Jesus.....bring it on.  I could honestly care less. 

I think we are done here.
And...
Excuse my ignorance.  I had the impression that you ACTUALLY gave a s**t about the truth.   It turns out that YOU DON'T.   You don't care about the truth because all you care about is your damn Jesus.

You think that your the 'only one' (between the two of us) that knows what the 'real' christianity (or Jesus) is....then wow.  You are horribly deceived if you think your the only one among the two of us that knows the bible through and through.

Answer me this...."HAVE YOU GAVE ISLAM ANY CONSIDERATION WHATSOEVER AND HAVE YOU EVEN REMOTELY CONSIDERED THE REMOTE POSSIBILITY THAT ISLAM MAY ACTUALLY BE CORRECT??
I finally got him to quote some verses in his Quran.  Apparently, he doesn't know what they mean or he just simply ignores them.  Here it is.
Surah 9:29
Fight those who do not believe in Allah or in the Last Day and who do not consider unlawful what Allah and His Messenger have made unlawful and who do not adopt the religion of truth from those who were given the Scripture - [fight] until they give the jizyah willingly while they are humbled.

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Surah 9:12-14
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And if they break their oaths after their treaty and defame your religion, then fight the leaders of disbelief, for indeed, there are no oaths [sacred] to them; [fight them that] they might cease.

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Would you not fight a people who broke their oaths and determined to expel the Messenger, and they had begun [the attack upon] you the first time? Do you fear them? But Allah has more right that you should fear Him, if you are [truly] believers.

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Fight them; Allah will punish them by your hands and will disgrace them and give you victory over them and satisfy the breasts of a believing people

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There ya go.

I don't appreciate being called a bitch.  How dare you insult a complete stranger.

Jesus said
Matthew 7:16
"By their fruits you shall know them"

Arrording to muhammad your fruit sounds pretty rotten

Sahih Bukhari volume #1 book #2 hadith 33

(1) Narrated 'Abdullah bin 'Amr: The Prophet said, "Whoever has the following four (characteristics) will be a pure hypocrite and whoever has one of the following four characteristics will have one characteristic of hypocrisy unless and until he gives it up. 1. Whenever he is entrusted, he betrays. 2. Whenever he speaks, he tells a lie. 3. Whenever he makes a covenant, he proves treacherous. 4. Whenever he quarrels, he behaves in a very imprudent, evil and insulting manner."  (Book #2, Hadith #33)
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If you haven't studied "Sahih Bukhari" or "sealed nectar"...then YOU SIR don't know A DAMN THING about Islam.
So, my fruits are rotten and Muhammad is a pure saint?  Are you kidding me??? 

So, here we are wrapping it up.
In done hearing your crap about your hatred towards islam.   I am 100% SOLD OUT to Islam and nothing you can do or say will change my mind.  I appreciate your concern for my salvation.  I want to stop wasting your time and you need to stop wasting mine.
And
I'm going to tell you something that you've never heard before in your life.

YOUR DOWNFALL...

Your downfall is your constant and consistant misunderstanding of Islam, muhammad, God's plan of salvation, the true consistant message he's always told mankind and will always continue to tell mankind till the end of time.  And the fact that you believe that every thing a Christian tells you about Islam is true.   

ALL THAT WILL BE YOUR DOWNFALL.

I'm not saying this to threaten you.   I only care about your soul the way you care about mine.

It is true that you only told me what you believed was right so that I may go to heaven.

What if your wrong.

That's a question I ask my self everyday.   And everyday I'm reminded by logic/reason/reality that I am on the correct path being a Muslim and I assure you ....I WILL GO TO HEAVEN.   if you don't heed my warning.....I'LL BE WATCHING WITH GRIEF AS YOU BURN IN HELL FIRE. 

Please don't misunderstand this message.  I care about you and I desperately want BOTH OF US to go to heaven.
And


Muhammad preached "there is one God.  This god has no son.  This god is no ones son.

It seems to me that you cannot even comprehend the blasphemy of saying "God had a son".   "You must believe in God's son to be saved" "all you must do is believe in God's son's death and resurrection and YOU WILL go to heaven (unconditionally).

I call BULLs**t on all that crap.

I hate christianity.

I left christianity (the great whore of Babylon) and I am so happy I got the hell away from her.

I don't want anything to do with christianity anymore.

I love islam.

Stop wasting my time with your crap.
And
I know exactly what eastern and western islam are.

I never deceived you.

You deceived yourself.

I love Islam and I hate christianity.

I do want the truth..I hate to say but "I found the truth in Islam'. 

YOU SIR are the one that is deceived.

Sounds like he knows without a doubt that Islam is the absolute truth, or does he?
I desire to go to heaven.   I will seek with all my heart For the path that leads to heaven.  If I am on this path....may YOUR eyes be opened to the truth I have found.   IF AND ONLY IF...my current path of Islam is in fact the path to heaven.
If?  Are you saying you don't know?  I know exactly where you will go IF you continue to follow Islam.  Straight to hell!  You know.  He just doesn't grasp the situation as most any Muslim can't grasp it.  My final point is that Azeez has the Islamic belief as to what Christianity is. 
The questions I want answers for are

1- is Jesus the literal flesh and blood son of God?
2- did god have sex with Mary to produce this literal flesh and blood son of God (let me remind you...similar event happened pre-flood with angels and humans)

3- if you were a king on this planet....what would be the reasons you would need to produce a son via sex with a woman.

4- with those reasons in mind...is God mortal?  Will god's life expire as yours will? 

5-based on your answers for 1-4 do you see the obserdity in believing that god
has a son.

6-why did the Romans accept Paul's version of Jesus's story so quickly? (hint: has to do with cult of Mithras).
And
I did a séance in march 2011 (one month before I converted to Islam).

I asked demons "is Jesus God"?  "Is Allah God"?  "Is Allah Satan"?

The answers were shocking to me
They said
YES
NO
YES

I asked them "are you telling me the truth"?
They said
"Get away from me".

This proved what the quran/hadith says "demons and unbelievers are partners with each other.

If I ask Jesus if he really is the way to heaven and is he gods son he would surely say yes because satan pushes Jesus as god.  Satan wants you to believe that Jesus is god.  Satan wants you to worship gods creation and not the creator himself.

I am thoroughly convinced that Islam is the correct path.

I did my homework.  I know what's at stake and I am good with it because I have proof to prove me correct.

Please leave me alone.  I don't wish to continue our conversation about Islam and Jesus.

So, you can see where he truly stands.  He thinks we have three gods because he is too inept to study what it really means.  He looks at religion as a logical approach.  God doesn't work that way.

Isaiah 55:8-9
For My thoughts are not your thoughts, Neither are your ways My ways,” declares the LORD. “For as the heavens are higher than the earth, So are My ways higher than your ways, And My thoughts than your thoughts.

His mentality is that god must follow the physical attributes the world is based upon.  In order for God to have a Son, logic dictates that God MUST have sex with Mary for there is no other way, logically speaking!  That goes AGAINST Isaiah's message.  Azeez likes logical gods!  I suppose that is why it is easier to keep a fold by telling people things they can understand.

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« Reply #33 on: August 29, 2013, 03:36:39 PM »
Islam STRICKLY FORBIDS the slaughter of innocent human life.

And of course the rub here is that no non-Muslim is innocent!
So either he doesn't get Islam or he is engaging in taqiyyah:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=maHSOB2RFm4

Quran Surah 9.111 Allah hath purchased of the believers their persons and their goods; for theirs (in return) is the garden (of Paradise): they fight in His cause, and slay and are slain: a promise binding on Him in truth, through the Law, the Gospel, and the Qur'an: and who is more faithful to his covenant than Allah. then rejoice in the bargain which ye have concluded: that is the achievement supreme.

http://www.falseprophetmuhammad.com/jihad_islamic_terrorism.htm

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« Reply #34 on: August 29, 2013, 03:56:19 PM »
Please. Don't use that word. Taqiyya. He never answered me as to what that word meant. He probably doesn't know jizya either! ???

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« Reply #35 on: August 29, 2013, 05:38:25 PM »
So, you can see where he truly stands.  He thinks we have three gods because he is too inept to study what it really means.  He looks at religion as a logical approach.

No Muslim can plead "logic" when they are compelled to believe Muhammad's preposterous tale of his unwitnessed ride on a flying donkey-mule from Mecca to Jerusalem, lied about praying in a temple that had been torn down 500 years previously, followed by a leg up to the chicken and wine serving bordello of Muhammad's overactive imagination that Muhammad called "paradise", and then back to Mecca by morning.
http://www.islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=1253.0

God doesn't work that way.

Isaiah 55:8-9
For My thoughts are not your thoughts, Neither are your ways My ways,” declares the LORD. “For as the heavens are higher than the earth, So are My ways higher than your ways, And My thoughts than your thoughts.

His mentality is that god must follow the physical attributes the world is based upon.

Like flying donkey-mules, talking ants, talking birds, and the sun setting in a pool of murky water? Let alone the Egyptian apocryphal fable he plagiarized of Jesus speaking from the cradle.
http://www.petewaldo.com/fables_fantasies.htm

In order for God to have a Son, logic dictates that God MUST have sex with Mary for there is no other way, logically speaking!

Besides the hundreds of verses that declare it, they can't get around it.
They believe that Mary conceived Jesus, by the direct will of God. Let alone their ridiculous, ignorant and inflexible interpretation of the term "beget' and 'begotten". Since violence begets violence, does that mean violence has to have sex with violence?
http://www.islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=612.0

That goes AGAINST Isaiah's message.  Azeez likes logical gods!

Then why did he pick the most extreme opposite of logical? The Quraish pagan's deity "Allah" (aka Satan) that has him prostrating toward the Quraish pagan's black stone idol, while praying in the "vain repetitions of the heathen" in the names of the Arabian pagan deity "Allah" and his "messenger" Muhammad. Even compelled to travel to that black stone idol on the kaaba, march around it 7 times, and kiss it or at least point to it on each time around.
http://www.petewaldo.com/hajj_umrah.htm

Engaging in thinly veneered pagan Arabian Star Family and jinn-devil worship:
http://www.petewaldo.com/hajj___umrah.htm#al_safa_al_marwah

I suppose that is why it is easier to keep a fold by telling people things they can understand.

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« Reply #36 on: August 29, 2013, 07:52:52 PM »
Lets not forget that Christians are pigs and Jews are apes. Something like that. May have it backwards. Also on the day of judgement all the Jews hiding behind rocks and trees need to be murdered. You know. I just love peaceful islam. Don't you?

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« Reply #37 on: August 30, 2013, 12:15:45 PM »
Lets not forget that Christians are pigs and Jews are apes. Something like that. May have it backwards. Also on the day of judgement all the Jews hiding behind rocks and trees need to be murdered. You know. I just love peaceful islam. Don't you?

Did you direct him to the new site? There are several new subjects covered on it:
http://www.falseprophetmuhammad.com/

Also ask him where the logic is in believing this completely unwitnessed event:
http://www.islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=1253.0

The whole preposterous tale may have been created as a cover, when Muhammad was caught in an adulterous affair:
http://www.islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=1253.msg13967#msg13967

I can debate christianity vs Islam in a logical and reasonable manner (I know christianity doctrine backwards and forwards).

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If Jesus was God the way to heaven was believe that Jesus is god and your savior and that he died on the cross to eliminate ur sins and free you from the responsibility of the consequences of ur actions

Muslims often lie about that because of their jealousy of the freedom we enjoy in a life in Christ Jesus, as seen through their bondage to the spirit of antichrist of Satan's "messenger" Muhammad, and the slavery they suffer from such as having to prostrate toward the Quraish pagan's black stone idol in Mecca five times a day, while praying in the "vain repetitions of the heathen", in the names of the Arabian pagan deity "Allah" and his "messenger" Muhammad.

Jhn 8:36 If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed.

He is a lying antichrist that, contrary to his claim of knowing Christianity, expresses a profound ignorance to the things of the Spirit of God (as it should be), and also seems to harbor a deep seated hatred of Jesus.

1Cr 6:9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, 10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God. 11 And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.

Of which Muhammad was guilty of in spades, both "backwards and forwards"
http://www.islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=879.0

My guess is our friend's disobedience may be a latent rebellion against his parents. There's certainly no rational explanation for him to follow a violent, imperialistic, murderous, anti-religion, with a history-devoid, scripture-contrary, archaeology-bankrupt, reality-rejecting, geographically-impossible Islamic so-called "tradition", that masquerades as thousands of years of pre-Muhammad history, yet was all created and put to the pen in the 7th to 10th centuries AD without reference to any actual historical record that preceded the 6th century AD.
http://www.islamchristianforum.com/index.php?board=56.0

His following Muhammad alone, through thinly veneered Arabian pagan rituals, and his STAND-ALONE 23 year 7th century record that proclaims the EXACT OPPOSITE of the  WHOLE SUBJECT of the Gospel, which IS NOT a path to the one true God of the Jews and Christians as He revealed Himself through ALL of the prophets and witnesses in His 1600 year record of revelation to mankind, that His people have followed through two covenants for 3500 years. A record that is well supported by history, archaeology and fulfilled prophecy, that is consistent with the physical geography, and can even be confirmed mathematically.
http://www.islamchristianforum.com/index.php?board=68.0

After all, his running away from the forum to hide in personal messaging, was specifically so that he didn't have to face the truth that is revealed in here about the false prophet Muhammad and his concoction of the anti-religion of Islam.
http://www.falseprophetmuhammad.com/