Muhammed's Understanding of Christianity Was Poor?

[ps49]

Hi - this is my first post on this forum (Greetings to all!) so I do hope I've put it in the right place. Admin - please move it if necessary.

I am a Christian of no particular denomination and I am keen to understand better how it can be that two Abrahamic faiths (Christianity and Islam) can have such apparent disagreements over the nature of God.

As a Christian I do of course understand the revelation of God as God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit. For this Muslims accuse me of polytheism; I think the word is "shirk" in the Islmaic mind. I do not undertand why though. You see, in God the Father there is the entirety of God and nothing lacking or amiss. Also in God the Son there is the entirety of God and nothing lacking or amiss. And of course in God the Holy Spirit there is the entirety of God and nothing lacking or amiss. Thus the the three persons of God cannot be separated into or viewed as three gods any more than the three dimensions of space can be separated into or viewed as three spaces. This is my view of God and it is clearly one God - there is no other like God and God cannot be divided. I believe that the Holy Trinity is the most sublime, beautiful and astonishing revelation of God - and it can only have come from God.

The much later Islamic view of God seems to be much simpler in comparison. So I enquired of the writings of Muhammad to understand his view of the Holy Trinity, which he had seemingly received from Christians - or at least from people who taught some kind of doctrine of Christ. I found this:-

And [beware the Day] when Allah will say, “O Jesus, Son of Mary, did you say to the people, ‘Take me and my mother as deities besides Allah ?'” He will say, “Exalted are You! It was not for me to say that to which I have no right. If I had said it, You would have known it. You know what is within myself, and I do not know what is within Yourself. Indeed, it is You who is Knower of the unseen. I said not to them except what You commanded me — to worship Allah , my Lord and your Lord. And I was a witness over them as long as I was among them; but when You took me up, You were the Observer over them, and You are, over all things, Witness. — Surah 5:116-117 Sahih International

If I'm reading this right, Muhammad seemed to be working with a lamentably broken understanding of Christian doctrine. In fact, one might conclude from this writing alone that he actually had no understanding of God as understood by Christians at all.

Further, if I understand correctly, Muhammad claimed to be the final and greatest prophet/messenger/apostle of God. That his mission was to correct the faulty doctrines of the Christians, Jews and pagans. That said, how is it possible for Muhammad to achieve this if he never comprehended the true Christian revelation of God in the first place? Furthermore, how can a prophet of such claimed magnitude make such a mistake at all?

Maybe somewhere in the Koran/Surah he expresses a proper understanding of The Holy Trinity of God, as understood by Christians?

Now, I know what I've said/suggested might be distressful however, in the spirit of mature human cooperation, I hope we can discuss this with decorum.

[PeteWaldo]

Hi - this is my first post on this forum (Greetings to all!) so I do hope I've put it in the right place. Admin - please move it if necessary.

Hello brother and welcome to the forum!

I am a Christian of no particular denomination and I am keen to understand better how it can be that two Abrahamic faiths (Christianity and Islam) can have such apparent disagreements over the nature of God.

I think it will be a bit better if I make brief notes followed by links to the sites, where you can pursue the subjects to whatever extent you are led to.

For openers it's far worse than disagreement, brother. Contrary to popular parroting, Islam is not an "Abrahamic faith". Islam is a specifically counter-gospel, antichrist, anti-religion.

Surah 4:157 That they said (in boast), "We killed Christ Jesus the son of Mary, the Messenger of Allah";- but they killed him not, nor crucified him, but so it was made to appear to them, and those who differ therein are full of doubts, with no (certain) knowledge, but only conjecture to follow, for of a surety they killed him not:-

THE false prophet Muhammad denied the crucifixion of Christ which is the basis of the whole subject of the Gospel, so 1.5 billion people - 1/4 of mankind - are required to reject the shed blood of the Messiah that would save them, as an article of their faith in the false prophet Muhammad alone.
http://www.falseprophetmuhammad.com/

So it should be painfully obvious at least to all Christians, that Islam comes from straight out of the pit of hell and the father of lies, from Satan himself. That Islam isn't a religion at all, but rather an anti-religion. Islam is to the Gospel as the negative is to a photograph.

The father of lies has even fooled Muhammad's followers into believing the very physical geographical impossibility that Abraham, Hagar and Ishmael wandered down to Mecca where Abraham left them and wandered back home. Then later on after Ishmael was grown, the fable suggests that he and Abraham rebuilt Muhammad's followers "Kaaba" which is a giant black box that stands as one of the largest idols in the world.
http://www.petewaldo.com/hajj_umrah.htm

But scripture, history, archaeology and geography make it painfully obvious that Abraham was never within 1,000 kilometers of where the kaaba was built in Mecca during the 5th century AD.
http://www.historyofmecca.com/geography_mecca_islam.htm

The even more painful reality is that Islamic rituals are nothing more than adopted, adapted and thinly veneered pagan Arabian moon, sun, star, planet and jinn-devil worship rituals.
http://www.petewaldo.com/hajj_umrah.htm#index

And that Arabian pagan immigrants from Yemen initially settled Mecca in around the 4th century AD. This means that ALL of the completely unhistorical Islamic - what they are stuck calling "tradition" - that regards any history of Mecca from prior to the 5th century AD, is 100% pure unmitigated hogwash, that was all created and put to the pen in the 7th - 10th centuries AD without reference to any actual historical record from before the 5th century AD. There is not a shred of historical, scriptural or archaeological evidence, that supports the geographical impossibility of Islamic tradition. Isn't that amazing?
http://www.historyofmecca.com/

Even more recently it is being suggested that Muhammad himself could well be a work of pure fiction as well:
http://www.historyofmecca.com/#documentary_film

Yet even Encyclopedia Britannica parrots that poppycock in this age of the victory of the lie:
http://www.islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=4329.0

I am going to bow out as I popped up in the middle of the night and am ready to go back to bed. Will try to finish with your post in the morning. There is a lot of content in this reply already. You can use the forum search function to find threads regarding all of these subjects.
Again, welcome to the forum brother!

[PeteWaldo]

As a Christian I do of course understand the revelation of God as God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit. For this Muslims accuse me of polytheism;........

Yet by their own measure, they are polytheistic hypocrites, since they believe the Holy Spirit exists!

Sura 16:102 Say, the Holy Spirit has brought the revelation from thy Lord in Truth, in order to strengthen those who believe, and as a Guide and Glad Tidings to Muslims.
http://www.petewaldo.com/spirit_of_god.htm
http://www.islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=174.0

........ I think the word is "shirk" in the Islmaic mind.

Indeed it is! And few things illustrate the work of a jealous fallen angel's hatred of the Son of God than this. Muslims are even taught that to confess that Jesus is the Son of God or even pray in Jesus' name, is to commit this single most "heinous" and only unforgivable sin, as opposed to child rape or cold-blooded mass-murder for example, which may be forgiven.
http://www.petewaldo.com/unforgivable_shirk.htm

So Islam is exactly and specifically antichrist, and whether Sunni or Shiite, each and every follower of the false prophet Muhammad is an antichrist as another article of their faith in Muhammad alone!

1John 4:14 And we have seen and do testify that the Father sent the Son [to be] the Saviour of the world. 15 Whosoever shall confess that Jesus is the Son of God, God dwelleth in him, and he in God.

Surah 19:88 They say: "(Allah) Most Gracious has begotten a son!" 89 Indeed ye have put forth a thing most monstrous!

1 John 2:22 ..... He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son. 23 Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father.....

This even as Christian partial-preterists say "The Antichrist? That was fulfilled in the 1st century by Nero.", as if over and done with. And Christian futurists say "The Antichrist? He isn't due until some future someday."

So are the 1.5 billion followers of the false prophet Muhammad, the only ones that Satan deceived? What might we find when we take a look at bible prophecy through the traditional historicist approach of those great men of God of the Reformation, and as the available evidence suggests was the approach of the church for its first 1800 years before the pop-eschatologies of futurism and preterism began to come into vogue. After all, you yourself are a historicist when it comes to Old Testament prophecy, so applying the same approach to the New Testament would result in a uniform approach to all bible prophecy. Does that really seem like such a novel idea?

In regard to the mark of the beast for example:
http://www.christianeschatology.com/historicism.htm#kingdom_beasts

I do not undertand why though.

Because they are stuck having to parrot the blasphemy, of the child-like mind of a 7th century desert-dwelling illiterate, who was inspired by Satan. Even Muhammad thought it was a demon that met him in the cave of Hira that first fateful day, until his wife Khadijah talked him out of it. What it really means is that the world owes his wife Khadijah for the cult of Islam!
http://www.islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=3909.msg15957#msg15957

You see, in God the Father there is the entirety of God and nothing lacking or amiss. Also in God the Son there is the entirety of God and nothing lacking or amiss. And of course in God the Holy Spirit there is the entirety of God and nothing lacking or amiss. Thus the the three persons of God cannot be separated into or viewed as three gods any more than the three dimensions of space can be separated into or viewed as three spaces. This is my view of God and it is clearly one God - there is no other like God and God cannot be divided. I believe that the Holy Trinity is the most sublime, beautiful and astonishing revelation of God - and it can only have come from God.

1Ti 3:16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

The much later Islamic view of God seems to be much simpler in comparison. So I enquired of the writings of Muhammad to understand his view of the Holy Trinity, which he had seemingly received from Christians - or at least from people who taught some kind of doctrine of Christ. I found this:-

And [beware the Day] when Allah will say, “O Jesus, Son of Mary, did you say to the people, ‘Take me and my mother as deities besides Allah ?'” He will say, “Exalted are You! It was not for me to say that to which I have no right. If I had said it, You would have known it. You know what is within myself, and I do not know what is within Yourself. Indeed, it is You who is Knower of the unseen. I said not to them except what You commanded me — to worship Allah , my Lord and your Lord. And I was a witness over them as long as I was among them; but when You took me up, You were the Observer over them, and You are, over all things, Witness. — Surah 5:116-117 Sahih International

If I'm reading this right, Muhammad seemed to be working with a lamentably broken understanding of Christian doctrine. In fact, one might conclude from this writing alone that he actually had no understanding of God as understood by Christians at all.

Muhammad supposedly spend long hours with his good friend Jabr who is supposed to have had some sort of a Christian background. Indeed so often did Muhammad receive a "revelation" after one of his meetings with Jabr, that people in his tribe the Quraish playfully nicknamed Jabr "holy spirit".
http://www.islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=452.0

Muhammad also had wives, concubines and slaves with some Jewish or Christian background. But perhaps the most influential was his wife Khadijah's cousin Waraqa bin Naufal, who was an occult Ebionite Priest. Many credit him with writing or at least inspiring most of the Quran. When I connected the dots I think I discovered that Muhammad's denial of the crucifixion of Christ came from the famous 1st century sorcerer Simon Magus, by way of Waraqa, by way of one of his followers Basilides who inspired the gnostic Ebionites. See if this chain makes sense to you:
http://www.petewaldo.com/simon_magnus_gnostics_ebionites_islam.htm

[PeteWaldo]

Further, if I understand correctly, Muhammad claimed to be the final and greatest prophet/messenger/apostle of God. That his mission was to correct the faulty doctrines of the Christians, Jews and pagans. That said, how is it possible for Muhammad to achieve this if he never comprehended the true Christian revelation of God in the first place? Furthermore, how can a prophet of such claimed magnitude make such a mistake at all?

Being the exact and perfect opposite is no mistake. It is the work and full intent of a jealous fallen angel, who inspired his followers.

2Co 11:14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.

But Muhammad's demon didn't even appear to him as an angel, as Muhammad himself recounted it felt like it tried to squeeze the life out of him 3 times, and he was convinced it was a demon. Too bad he didn't know how to "try the spirits" as scripture instructs, or the world may have never needed to bother with Islam, or some notable others like Joseph Smith's angel "Maroni".

How God's opposer Satan has been manifest in his people for 1400 years and particularly during this Second Islamic Jihad, makes nearly as good of a case for the existence of God on a purely intellectual level, as the scriptures make in favor of the existence of God.
http://www.falseprophetmuhammad.com/the_islamic_state.htm

Maybe somewhere in the Koran/Surah he expresses a proper understanding of The Holy Trinity of God, as understood by Christians?

Besides the stuff that directly opposed the God of Jews and Christians, all that is left in Islam is recycled pagan Arabian Star Family worship and fables and fantasies borrowed from the gnostics, Sabians and Zoroastrians.
http://www.petewaldo.com/fables_fantasies.htm

Now, I know what I've said/suggested might be distressful however, in the spirit of mature human cooperation, I hope we can discuss this with decorum.

How could there be any reconciling of exact and perfect opposites? Can there be a reconciling of Christianity, to denial of the whole subject of the Gospel, and denial and blasphemy against the Son of God? As the church sinks ever deeper into this prophesied "falling away", or apostasy, we find a church ever more willing to go along to get along through the ecumenical movement, and even interfaith pluralism with the Washington National Cathedral even hosting blasphemous Islamic prayer services, whose participants even openly ridiculed their hosts.
http://www.christianeschatology.com/falling_away_apostasy.htm

Even ensconced in the founding verses and written in mosaic around the eves, the Islamic shrine the "Dome of the Rock", has been sitting there spewing the antichrist blasphemy of of THE false prophet Muhammad "...far be it from God's transciendent majesty that He should have a son.", right there on God's footstool, for 1400 years!
http://www.beholdthebeast.com/abomination_of_desolation.htm
http://beyondtheharbinger.com/31.htm

So is it any surprise to find that orthodox Islamic scholars like Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi who heads The Islamic State, understand as Islamic scholars have understood for 1400 years through Satan's Quran and Hadith, that it is their job to fight and slay non-Muslims and particularly Jews and Christians until they are subjugated to Muhammad's followers?

Surah 9.29 Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued. 30 The Jews call 'Uzair a son of Allah, and the Christians call Christ the son of Allah. That is a saying from their mouth; (in this) they but imitate what the unbelievers of old used to say. Allah's curse be on them: how they are deluded away from the Truth!

Surah 9.111 Allah hath purchased of the believers their persons and their goods; for theirs (in return) is the garden (of Paradise): they fight in His cause, and slay and are slain: a promise binding on Him in truth, through the Law, the Gospel, and the Qur'an: and who is more faithful to his covenant than Allah. then rejoice in the bargain which ye have concluded: that is the achievement supreme.
http://www.falseprophetmuhammad.com/jihad_islamic_terrorism.htm

No brother, there can be no reconciling of Islam to the things of the Spirit of God, any more than there can be a reconciling of Satan to God. All bridges built by Muhammad's followers through Satan's deception of interfaith pluralism, are strictly one-way bridges to Islam alone, constructed through the skillful use of dissimulation or "taqiyyah", which is lying in the way of allah, to reconcile the whole world to Islam.
http://www.falseprophetmuhammad.com/global_war_against_truth.htm#dissimulation

Here are a couple prime examples of dissimulation and taqiyyah, or lying in the way of Allah:
http://www.petewaldo.com/baca_mecca.htm

Even church pastors get duped into parroting Islamic dissimulation:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j--cMsRzg4s

The only reconciling that is possible, is to help those poor sorely deluded followers of Muhammad, come to know the love of the one true God, through a relationship with Jesus Christ. There is no greater demonstration of Christian love toward them. During this small window of opportunity before Christ's return, that could close tomorrow, Christians have an unprecedented opportunity to bring them the Gospel electronically, in an open and honest way that traditionally could have only have and still is, met by a beheading sword in Islamic countries.
http://www.falseprophetmuhammad.com/islamophobia_or_christian_love.htm

Regarding how that interfaith pluralist pastor allowed herself to be deceived, I have come to believe that the subject of Zionism is one of the the single greatest discriminators of all mankind in the world today, about which even the church is sharply divided.
We are, after all, instructed that a tree can be judged by its fruit:
http://historyofzionism.com/anti_zionism.htm

I'm a little rushed now. I will edit this considerably when I return after some hours from now.

[ps49]

Hi Peter and thanks for your very informative replies. It will take me a while to digest those links properly.

In the meantime, what I simply meant to ask is this: How can Mohammad claim to abrogate or correct the supposedly erroneous Christian doctrine of the Holy Trinity if he, as far as I can see from his (own?) writings, never understood it properly in the first place?   Seems like some kind of perverse 'straw man argument' as far as I can see.

If this is true, then logically it must become impossible to accept him as a "prophet" of God since he had such a dysfunctional view of the religious teachings which preceded him to abrogate? Surely?  Ie, a prophet who refutes that which never was is no prophet at all. I would confidently say so anyway.

[PeteWaldo]

Hi Peter and thanks for your very informative replies. It will take me a while to digest those links properly.

In the meantime, what I simply meant to ask is this: How can Mohammad claim to abrogate or correct the supposedly erroneous Christian doctrine ........

He obviously couldn't. Indeed Muhammad and his "Allah" made such a contradictory mess of the Quran, over the short span of just 23 years, he had to institute his own doctrine of substitution to resolve the conflicts. Out of only 114 suras in the Quran, a whopping 71 are subject to abrogation/substitution.
http://www.islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=116.0

2:106 (Asad) Any message which, We annul or consign to oblivion We replace with a better or a similar one. Dost thou not know that God has the power to will anything?

This means that all the later verses that came near the end of the Quran chronologically, that command Muhammad's followers to fight, slay and subjugate non-Muslims, like.....

Surah 9.111 Allah hath purchased of the believers their persons and their goods; for theirs (in return) is the garden (of Paradise): they fight in His cause, and slay and are slain: a promise binding on Him in truth, through the Law, the Gospel, and the Qur'an:.....

....."annul" and "consign to oblivion" Muhammad's earlier less violent drivel that he dithered on with before he got laughed out of Mecca (and skulked off to Medina) like the "no compulsion in religion" that you've probably heard Muhammad's dissimulators, taqiyyah purveyors and dupes parrot.
Indeed the Islamic calendar doesn't even begin until after that move to Medina called the "Hijra".

.......... of the Holy Trinity if he, as far as I can see from his (own?) writings, .....

He was illiterate, and couldn't write, so he only "recited" what he claimed was "revealed" to him.
But obviously, if the stand-alone 23-year 7th century record of Muhammad's god "Allah" is true, then the prophets and witnesses of the one true God Yahweh, as revealed through the 1600 year record of God to mankind whose people have followed Him through two covenants for 3500 years, are false. With Jesus Christ being chief among them for having prophesied His own crucifixion, death and resurrection.

His illiterate followers did their best to memorize what Muhammad recited, which is in part how the Quran wound up in such a mess with no two of the most ancient Qurans being the same.
http://www.islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=2576.0
http://www.islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=4707.0

Indeed all of the various versions of the Quran were collected up, with all but a preferred version burned, on two separate occasions.
http://www.beholdthebeast.com/textual_history_of_the_koran.htm

...... never understood it properly in the first place?

That's right, because he was a 7t century SW Arabian desert dwelling illiterate. Even literate people around him that knew a little about Christianity likely didn't have much more of a handle on it than he did, particularly with influence like the gnosticism of the occult Ebionites.
However Jews may have maintained their beliefs through greater adherence to their traditions. Islam's books would indicate, so much so, that the Medina Jews preferred beheading rather than recognize Muhammad as a prophet of our God. But guys like Jabr (who some suggest had been a Christian) submitted to Muhammad.
http://www.petewaldo.com/banu_qurayza_massacre.htm

Ishaq:461 "After the siege exhausted and terrorized them, the Jews felt certain that the Apostle would not leave them until he had exterminated them. So they decided to talk to Ka'b Asad. He said, 'People of the Jews, you see what has befallen you. I shall propose three alternatives. Take whichever one you please.' He said, 'Swear allegiance to this man and accept him; for, by Allah, it has become clear to you that he is a prophet sent from Allah. It is he that you used to find mentioned in your scripture book. Then you will be secure in your lives, your property, your children, and your wives.'"

Above we see Mohammed revealed as a terrorist, while next we find that Yahweh's people well understood that following the false prophet Mohammed, would result in a death sentence in the hereafter.

Ishaq:462/Tabari VIII:30 "The Jews said, 'We will never abandon the Torah or exchange it for the Qur'an.' Asad said, 'Since you reject this proposal of mine, then kill your children and your wives and go out to Muhammad and his Companions as men who brandish swords, leaving behind no impediments to worry you. If you die, you shall have left nothing behind; if you win you shall find other women and children.' The Jews replied, 'Why would we kill these poor ones? What would be the good of living after them?'"

We will soon learn what Mohammed meant when he said the Jews would "find" "other women and children" if they joined company. So offer number two was to kill their own wives and children, obviously abrogating the "no compulsion in religion" drivel, that Mohammed quipped in his earlier pre-Hijra Mecca days.

Some Muslims suggest this was "Allah's" will, but whose judgment was actually passed on the Jews?

Ishaq:463/Tabari VIII:34 "When Sa'd reached the Messenger of Allah and the Muslims, the Prophet said, 'Arise and go to your master and help him dismount.' Then Muhammad said, 'Pass judgment on them.' Sa'd replied, 'I pass judgment that their men shall be killed, their women and children made captives, and their property divided.' Allah's Apostle proclaimed, 'You have passed judgment on the Jews with the judgment of Allah and the judgment of His Messenger.'"

So it wasn't even Mohammed receiving a "revelation" that determined what was to be done with the Jews, but rather Mohammed deferred to his booty and sex coveting sidekick Sa'd to pass judgment.
 
Bukhari:V5B59N448 "They then surrendered to the Prophet's judgment but he directed them to Sa'd to give the verdict. Sad said, 'I give my judgment that their men should be killed, their women and children should be taken as captives, and their properties distributed.'"

Which of course was really the whole object of the assault in the first place, since Mohammed and his followers didn't have jobs or sources of income other than that looted from caravans, and otherwise stolen from honest, hard working, and productive people like the Banu Qurayza farmers.

Muslims claim a "faith of Abraham" but what did Abraham do after vanquishing Yahweh's enemies - by Yahweh's direct command - who then freely offered Abraham their property?

Genesis 14:21 And the king of Sodom said unto Abram, Give me the persons, and take the goods to thyself. 22 And Abram said to the king of Sodom, I have lift up mine hand unto the LORD, the most high God, the possessor of heaven and earth, 23 That I will not [take] from a thread even to a shoelatchet, and that I will not take any thing that [is] thine, lest thou shouldest say, I have made Abram rich:

Abraham was a man of God.

Exodus 20:15 Thou shalt not steal.

Qur'an 33:26 "Allah took down the People of the Scripture Book. He cast terror into their hearts. Some you slew, and some you made prisoners. And He made you heirs of their lands, their houses, and their goods, giving you a land which you had not traversed before. And Allah has power over all things."

Mohammed's "Allah" revealed as a terrorist, who "took down" Yahweh's people. Just as Mohammed's followers - including leaders of Islamic nation States - in the cradle of his religion today, desire to kill the Jews, and "drive them into the sea".

Tabari VIII:38 "The Messenger of Allah commanded that all of the Jewish men and boys who had reached puberty should be beheaded. Then the Prophet divided the wealth, wives, and children of the Banu Qurayza Jews among the Muslims."

Abu Dawud 38:4390 Narrated Atiyyah al-Qurazi: I was among the captives of Banu Qurayza. They (the Companions) examined us, and those who had begun to grow hair (pubes) were killed, and those who had not were not killed. I was among those who had not grown hair.

So all those innocent young farm boys were beheaded while their sisters, mothers and grandmothers looked on. Unfortunately that wasn't the worst of it for the women.

Tabari VIII:35/Ishaq:464 "The Jews were made to come down, and Allah's Messenger imprisoned them. Then the Prophet went out into the marketplace of Medina (it is still its marketplace today), and he had trenches dug in it. He sent for the Jewish men and had them beheaded in those trenches. They were brought out to him in batches. They numbered 800 to 900 boys and men."

Tabari VIII:40 "The Messenger of God commanded that furrows should be dug in the ground for the Qurayza. Then he sat down. Ali and Zubayr began cutting off their heads in his presence."

So Mohammed sat down to relax and enjoy the spectacle of innocent Jewish farm boys having their heads cut off in front of him. It's easy to see the model for Hitler's holocaust, but even Hitler didn't have the chutzpah to visit his own gas chambers. A real piece of work eigh?

Tabari VIII:35/Ishaq:464 "Huyayy, the enemy of Allah, was brought out. He was wearing a rose-colored suit of clothes that he had torn all over with fingertip-sized holes so that it would not be taken as booty. His hands were bound to his neck with a rope. When he looked at Muhammad he said, 'I do not regret opposing you. Whoever forsakes God will be damned.' He sat down and was beheaded."

Seems like some kind of perverse 'straw man argument' as far as I can see.

Far worse, since 1.5 billion people who over 1400 years slaughtered and subjugated everyone in their path to DISbelieve Christ was crucified and thus reject His shed blood, and deny and blaspheme the Son of God as articles in their faith in THE false prophet Muhammad.

The religion is so transparently and conspicuously false, for 1400 years Muhammad's orthodox followers have had to impose the death penalty for "apostasy", or leaving Islam is death. Just like the Mafia.
http://www.falseprophetmuhammad.com/death_penalty_apostasy.htm

Even for speaking against Muhammad or Islam:
http://www.falseprophetmuhammad.com/blasphemy_laws.htm

If this is true, then logically it must become impossible to accept him as a "prophet" of God since he had such a dysfunctional view of the religious teachings which preceded him to abrogate?

Real prophets don't think their way into prophesying. Real prophets are inspired by God to write what they dream, or vision they have, or what Jesus otherwise inspires them to write.

Besides the conspicuously self-serving suras that Muhammad "revealed" to himself, like a special sura to proclaim that he didn't get his material from Jabr, and another that afforded him all the wives he wanted - but only for Muhammad, and another that allowed him to steal his monomogous step-son's only wife, and another that lavished on him 1/5 of all the property they stole from others, I believe Muhammad was indeed inspired to author at least a little of the Quran even if only verbally. The difference of course being that Muhammad's inspiration came from Satan.

Surely?  Ie, a prophet who refutes that which never was is no prophet at all. I would confidently say so anyway.

[ps49]

Hi Peter - thanks very much for these wonderful replies.  I've had a look around the site (not all - it's just too huge!) and I see there are many amazing and intriguing articles written by committed people of God.

I particularly liked the article concerning Simon Magnus, the Ebionites, the Gnostics and culminating with Jabr and Muhammed himself.
http://www.petewaldo.com/simon_magnus_gnostics_ebionites_islam.htm

It goes a long way towards answering my original question at the top of this thread - namely 'why was Muhammed so ignorant of true Christian doctrine' .  I begin to see that it is actually the same dark spiritual force (this evil which denies Christ's crucifixion, resurrection and Divinity) expressed over and over, with ever greater boldness through the progression of time. Interestingly we can actually have a glimpse of this same dark spirit at work in the mind of Peter, the disciple of Christ, in the Gospels directly:-

Mt 16
21 From that time Jesus began to show to His disciples that He must go to Jerusalem, and suffer many things from the elders and chief priests and scribes, and be killed, and be raised the third day.
22 Then Peter took Him aside and began to rebuke Him, saying, “Far be it from You, Lord; this shall not happen to You!”
23 But He turned and said to Peter, “Get behind Me, Satan! You are an offense to Me, for you are not mindful of the things of God, but the things of men.”

Indeed, how lost we all are without Christ's light to illuminate the darkness in all of us!

[PeteWaldo]

Hi Peter - thanks very much for these wonderful replies.  I've had a look around the site (not all - it's just too huge!) and I see there are many amazing and intriguing articles written by committed people of God.

I try to organize each page putting the more important points/verses first, as I know that most people in this day and age will only spend a minute or two on a page.