The Messiah comes from arabic land

[bahous]

Esias 63 /1-2: "Who is this that cometh from Edom, with dyed garments from Bosra, this beautiful one in his robe, walking in the greatness of his strength. I,that speak justice, and am a defender to save. 2 Why then is thy apparel red, and thy garments like theirs that tread in the winepress?"


Edom is in north arabia land


all the texts in OT reffering to the Messiah say that he comes from Arabia.

the chapter 63 according to all jewish scholars in the Talmud say Edom is the land where Messiah comes from.


See the TOB page 889 and this is the translation:

"this portrait of God's vineyard ; subjecting nations to the press of his judgment, will one day become the portrait of the Messiah, according to Jewish Targums written about. Genisis 49/11; Esaias and 63 / 1-2


you can see the map of edomite people by tourself . and it is useless to try to prove that Jesus has came from this country


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edom#/...el_830_map.svg

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edom#/media/File:Kingdoms_around_Israel_830_map.svg

[ps49]

Just a few points:-

1) The land of Edom was about 1000km north of modern day Mecca. Muhammed was born in or around Mecca therefore he cannot be the one mentioned in Isaiah 63:1.

2) The OT prophet Daniel predicted the first advent of The Jewish Messiah to be during the years AD 29 and AD 33. Surely that also rules out Muhammed and pinpoints Jesus as The Jewish Messiah?

3) Isaiah 63 is highly prophetic and bears a striking resemblance to imagery of Revelation 19. This concerns the advent of the second coming of Jesus as The Jewish Messiah and the day of judgement to come after the restoration of Jerusalem in 1967. This is an event prophescised by Daniel (circa 537 BC) and confirmed by John circa AD 95 - to the year!

Isaiah 63:1-4

63 Who is this that cometh from Edom, with dyed garments from Bozrah, this that is glorious in His apparel, traveling in the greatness of his strength? “I that speak in righteousness, mighty to save.”

2 Why art thou red in Thine apparel, and Thy garments like him that treadeth in the wine vat?

3 “I have trodden the wine press alone; and of the people there was none with Me. For I will tread them in Mine anger and trample them in My fury; and their blood shall be sprinkled upon My garments, and I will stain all My raiment.

4 For the day of vengeance is in Mine heart, and the year of My redeemed is come.


Revelation 19:11-15

11 And I saw Heaven opened, and behold, a white horse; and He that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness He doth judge and make war.

12 His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on His head were many crowns; and He had a name written that no man knew, but He Himself.

13 And He was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood, and His name is called, The Word of God.

14 And the armies which were in Heaven, clothed in fine linen white and clean, followed Him upon white horses.

15 And out of His mouth goeth a sharp sword with which He shall smite the nations, and He shall rule them with a rod of iron; and He treadeth the wine press of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.

[bahous]

Just a few points:-

1) The land of Edom was about 1000km north of modern day Mecca. Muhammed was born in or around Mecca therefore he cannot be the one mentioned in Isaiah 63:1.

Jesus did not come from Bozra or Edom. this is the essential.

Kedar , the end of earth , Bozra , the south , the distant land , Seir all these locations are in the same route and all are in Arabia land

[ps49]

Sure, but as I said, the prophecy concerns the second coming of Christ in the wrath of God.
He is depicted as returning from Edom already spattered with the blood of God's enemies.

In Isaiah's time Edom was a troubling enemy of Israel and so is used as a type to represent all enemies of Israel. Of course, Israel itself is also a prophetic type used to represent God's people, ie, those who recognize the shed blood of Christ, in faith, for the remission of sins.

[bahous]

Sure, but as I said, the prophecy concerns the second coming of Christ in the wrath of God.
He is depicted as returning from Edom already spattered with the blood of God's enemies.

you agree that the Messiah is warrior. he is spattered with the blood of God's enemies


Jesus was not warrior.

[ps49]

Sure, but as I said, the prophecy concerns the second coming of Christ in the wrath of God.
He is depicted as returning from Edom already spattered with the blood of God's enemies.

you agree that the Messiah is warrior. he is spattered with the blood of God's enemies


Jesus was not warrior.

At His first coming, Jesus came to His people humbly and in no ways like a warrior. They, however, in the most part rejected Him and then later crucified Him. Therefore Jesus wept for Jerusalem and established a new covenant with those who received Him - to the Jews first and then the gentiles.

Even a cursory reading of the Bible shows that at His second coming, the wrath of God shall be manifest to the world. I wouldn't get too hung up on the imagery used by Isaiah though - it is just that - imagery. I don't expect that Jesus will be literally running around with a sword!

I would also like to add that this in no ways authorises any man to violence, indeed our Lord forbade it most clearly. Judgement of man is the remit of God alone. Therefore, any man who goes on a tyrannical rampage of violence and murder is actually placing himself in the position of God, showing himself as God.

[Bistabuster]

My question to you, bahous, is why are you trying to rewrite the Bible but will not see the errors in your own books?  You say the Bible is corrupt but the Quran isn't. 

Then, if what you say is true, then we have two questions.  Why is the Quran telling Muslims that the Bible (the Torah and the Injeel) are allah's words? 

Second question.  If you say those books were lost, how come the Quran doesn't specify this little fact yet it still tells you this!

Sura 5:47  Let the people of the Injeel (Gospel) judge by what Allah has revealed therein. And whosoever does not judge by what Allah has revealed (then) such (people) are the Fasiqun (the rebellious i.e. disobedient (of a lesser degree) to Allah.

So, Where is this elusive Torah and Injeel Muhammad spoke so highly of?  I want to read it. 
The only record Muhammad had to be talking about was the Bible. 

That is, unless you can produce a copy of the reference material Muhammad was actually talking about.

Another question for you.  Have you read the Torah and Injeel as specified in Sura 5:47?  No?  Is that because it was lost?  How come allah didn't know that? 

[PeteWaldo]

My question to you, bahous, is ......

bahous avoids questions. I am not allowing him to start any new threads before he goes back to the beginning of the other two threads and responds to our replies from the top. However ps49 requested this one remain open. I should have left the other one here and locked it with my note on it, rather than moving it to spam. Perhaps our friend didn't see where it went. I'll move it back.
It is well past time we prevailed upon him to honor the vow, that he took when he joined, but failed to keep.
http://www.islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=4831.msg18780#msg18780

[ps49]

I wouldn't get too hung up on the imagery used by Isaiah though - it is just that - imagery. I don't expect that Jesus will be literally running around with a sword!

Just to elaborate a little please read 2 Chronicles chapter 20. Here's an extract of the parts which struck me:-

14 Then the Spirit of the Lord came upon Jahaziel the son of Zechariah, the son of Benaiah, the son of Jeiel, the son of Mattaniah, a Levite of the sons of Asaph, in the midst of the assembly.  15 And he said, “Listen, all you of Judah and you inhabitants of Jerusalem, and you, King Jehoshaphat! Thus says the Lord to you: ‘Do not be afraid nor dismayed because of this great multitude, for the battle is not yours, but God’s.  16 Tomorrow go down against them. They will surely come up by the Ascent of Ziz, and you will find them at the end of the brook before the Wilderness of Jeruel.  17 You will not need to fight in this battle. Position yourselves, stand still and see the salvation of the Lord, who is with you, O Judah and Jerusalem!’ Do not fear or be dismayed; tomorrow go out against them, for the Lord is with you.”

18 And Jehoshaphat bowed his head with his face to the ground, and all Judah and the inhabitants of Jerusalem bowed before the Lord, worshiping the Lord.  19 Then the Levites of the children of the Kohathites and of the children of the Korahites stood up to praise the Lord God of Israel with voices loud and high.

20 So they rose early in the morning and went out into the Wilderness of Tekoa; and as they went out, Jehoshaphat stood and said, “Hear me, O Judah and you inhabitants of Jerusalem: Believe in the Lord your God, and you shall be established; believe His prophets, and you shall prosper.”  21 And when he had consulted with the people, he appointed those who should sing to the Lord, and who should praise the beauty of holiness, as they went out before the army and were saying:

“Praise the Lord,
For His mercy endures forever.”

22 Now when they began to sing and to praise, the Lord set ambushes against the people of Ammon, Moab, and Mount Seir, who had come against Judah; and they were defeated.  23 For the people of Ammon and Moab stood up against the inhabitants of Mount Seir to utterly kill and destroy them. And when they had made an end of the inhabitants of Seir, they helped to destroy one another.

24 So when Judah came to a place overlooking the wilderness, they looked toward the multitude; and there were their dead bodies, fallen on the earth. No one had escaped.

To any third party onlooker this must have been a very strange scene. Seemingly two opposing armies meet to face one another in the usual way but bizarrely, the "army" of Judah just stands there singing praises to God in faith. The people of Ammon, Moab, and Mount Seir then inexplicably set about utterly destroying themselves and each other. The people of Judah didn't have to strike a single blow or even put one foot forwards. Now the mind of the natural man might put this crazy behaviour down to bad leadership or some other natural reason and he might be right on some level. However, the story is a useful insight into how God brings about His purposes in the world. At the time, the Ammonites etc probably had no idea that their downfall was divinely orchestrated.

Now go and take a look at what's happening in the Middle East and the Islamic world in general. Israel is surrounded by enemies who seem to be doing a much better job of destroying themselves than any other!

[bahous]

My question to you, bahous, is ......

bahous avoids questions. I am not allowing him to start any new threads before he goes back to the beginning of the other two threads and responds to our replies from the top. However ps49 requested this one remain open. I should have left the other one here and locked it with my note on it, rather than moving it to spam. Perhaps our friend didn't see where it went. I'll move it back.
It is well past time we prevailed upon him to honor the vow, that he took when he joined, but failed to keep.
http://www.islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=4831.msg18780#msg18780

you are afraid of me

I don't allow you at any way to submit me under your conditions

[ps49]

My question to you, bahous, is ......

bahous avoids questions. I am not allowing him to start any new threads before he goes back to the beginning of the other two threads and responds to our replies from the top. However ps49 requested this one remain open. I should have left the other one here and locked it with my note on it, rather than moving it to spam. Perhaps our friend didn't see where it went. I'll move it back.
It is well past time we prevailed upon him to honor the vow, that he took when he joined, but failed to keep.
http://www.islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=4831.msg18780#msg18780

you are afraid of me

I don't allow you at any way to submit me under your conditions

We just want you to answer the questions that we have posed.

Because you leave questions hanging unanswered in this and your other two threads it looks like you have no answer - which is fair enough. However, if you then continue posting more new threads and changing the subject of discussion within threads, then it begins to look like you are a spammer. So why don't you go ahead and prove us wrong in our presumptions? Answer the questions, please.

[bahous]

Just a few points:-

1) The land of Edom was about 1000km north of modern day Mecca. Muhammed was born in or around Mecca therefore he cannot be the one mentioned in Isaiah 63:1.

2) The OT prophet Daniel predicted the first advent of The Jewish Messiah to be during the years AD 29 and AD 33. Surely that also rules out Muhammed and pinpoints Jesus as The Jewish Messiah?

3) Isaiah 63 is highly prophetic and bears a striking resemblance to imagery of Revelation 19. This concerns the advent of the second coming of Jesus as The Jewish Messiah and the day of judgement to come after the restoration of Jerusalem in 1967. This is an event prophescised by Daniel (circa 537 BC) and confirmed by John circa AD 95 - to the year!

Isaiah 63:1-4

63 Who is this that cometh from Edom, with dyed garments from Bozrah, this that is glorious in His apparel, traveling in the greatness of his strength? “I that speak in righteousness, mighty to save.”

2 Why art thou red in Thine apparel, and Thy garments like him that treadeth in the wine vat?

3 “I have trodden the wine press alone; and of the people there was none with Me. For I will tread them in Mine anger and trample them in My fury; and their blood shall be sprinkled upon My garments, and I will stain all My raiment.

4 For the day of vengeance is in Mine heart, and the year of My redeemed is come.


Revelation 19:11-15

11 And I saw Heaven opened, and behold, a white horse; and He that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness He doth judge and make war.

12 His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on His head were many crowns; and He had a name written that no man knew, but He Himself.

13 And He was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood, and His name is called, The Word of God.

14 And the armies which were in Heaven, clothed in fine linen white and clean, followed Him upon white horses.

15 And out of His mouth goeth a sharp sword with which He shall smite the nations, and He shall rule them with a rod of iron; and He treadeth the wine press of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.

This is why Jesus had to correct Jews saying :" how scribes can say the Messiah is descendant of David" Mark 12/35

and all the believers were awainting the Messiah : John 7/31 :" 31 But of the people many believed in him, and said: When the Christ cometh, shall he do "more miracles, than these which this man doth?

Jesua were always rejecting the title of Messiah : Then charged he the disciples that they should tell no man that he was the Christ



CEB version:  20 Then he ordered the disciples not to tell anybody that he was the Christ.


Another version

Then he strictly charged the disciples to tell no one that he was the Christ.

[ps49]

My question to you, bahous, is why are you trying to rewrite the Bible but will not see the errors in your own books?  You say the Bible is corrupt but the Quran isn't. 

Then, if what you say is true, then we have two questions.  Why is the Quran telling Muslims that the Bible (the Torah and the Injeel) are allah's words? 

Second question.  If you say those books were lost, how come the Quran doesn't specify this little fact yet it still tells you this!

Sura 5:47  Let the people of the Injeel (Gospel) judge by what Allah has revealed therein. And whosoever does not judge by what Allah has revealed (then) such (people) are the Fasiqun (the rebellious i.e. disobedient (of a lesser degree) to Allah.

So, Where is this elusive Torah and Injeel Muhammad spoke so highly of?  I want to read it. 
The only record Muhammad had to be talking about was the Bible. 

That is, unless you can produce a copy of the reference material Muhammad was actually talking about.

Another question for you.  Have you read the Torah and Injeel as specified in Sura 5:47?  No?  Is that because it was lost?  How come allah didn't know that?

bahous - if you answer Bistabuster's earlier question then we will be happy to address your severe biblical misunderstandings. You can't just keep spamming us with your nonsense and expect us to run around after you like this.

[ExMilitary]

Then he strictly charged the disciples to tell no one that he was the Christ.

Matthew 16:16-20

Simon Peter answered and said, “You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.”  Jesus answered and said to him, “Blessed are you, Simon Bar-Jonah, for flesh and blood has not revealed this to you, but My Father who is in heaven. ...Then He commanded His disciples that they should tell no one that He was Jesus the Christ.

How will you twist this one, Bahous?

[ps49]

Mark 12
35 Then Jesus answered and said, while He taught in the temple, “How is it that the scribes say that the Christ is the Son of David? 

36 For David himself said by the Holy Spirit:

‘The Lord said to my Lord,
“Sit at My right hand,
Till I make Your enemies Your footstool.”’

37 Therefore David himself calls Him ‘Lord’; how is He then his Son?” And the common people heard Him gladly.

Psalm 78
2 I will open my mouth in a parable;
I will utter dark sayings of old

Daniel 12
10 Many shall be purified, made white, and refined, but the wicked shall do wickedly; and none of the wicked shall understand, but the wise shall understand.

John 8
58 Jesus said unto them, “Verily, verily I say unto you, before Abraham was, I am!”

[PeteWaldo]

My question to you, bahous, is ......

bahous avoids questions. I am not allowing him to start any new threads before he goes back to the beginning of the other two threads and responds to our replies from the top. However ps49 requested this one remain open. I should have left the other one here and locked it with my note on it, rather than moving it to spam. Perhaps our friend didn't see where it went. I'll move it back.
It is well past time we prevailed upon him to honor the vow, that he took when he joined, but failed to keep.
http://www.islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=4831.msg18780#msg18780

you are afraid of me

We answer to your invalid points and false presumptions over and over ad nauseum.
You are the coward that runs and hides from our questions like a little girl.
In the mold of your "messenger":
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MG1MiLqH0jc

Why don't you put on your big boy pants and start responding to our questions you ignored?
I'll bump one in the other thread.

I don't allow you at any way to submit me under your conditions[/b][/u]

Which makes you a vow breaker, just like Muhammad. We've grown to expect it of his followers, because of those like you.

[ps49]

From Matthew 24
23 Then if any man shall say unto you, ‘Lo, here is Christ,’ or ‘there,’ believe it not.

24 For there shall arise false christs and false prophets and shall show great signs and wonders, insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.

25 Behold, I have told you before.

26 Therefore, if they shall say unto you, ‘Behold, He is in the desert!’ go not forth; or ‘Behold, He is in the secret chambers!’ believe it not.

27 For as the lightning cometh out of the east and shineth even unto the west, so shall also the coming of the Son of Man be.

28 For wheresoever the carcass is, there will the eagles be gathered together.

Pretty clear, and made even clearer by the fact that Muhammed opposes the teachings of Christ Jesus. He denies His divinity, Sonship, crucifixion and resurection for the remission of sins. Muhammed even dares to elevate himself higher than Christ Jesus, ie, declaring himself to be the final and greatest messenger of God.

Interestingly Muhammed also came from the desert too, possibly indicating that Jesus had him in mind as a particular example when speaking of false prophets and christs. This idea is strengthened by the fact that in verse 15 Jesus speaks of the "abomination of desolation" prophesised by Daniel, which we have identified as being the Dome of the Rock and the al-aqsa mosque erected by Muhammed's followers in the period 688-705 AD.

15 “When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing in the holy place (whoso readeth, let him understand),

16 then let them that be in Judea flee unto the mountains.

From Daniel 12
11 “From the time that the daily sacrifice is abolished and the abomination that causes desolation is set up, there will be 1,290 days.

The beginning of the great tribulation. The Islamic invasion of the Holy Land was about as blood-thirsty as you can get but Jesus instructed us to flee the area and essentially leave them to it. Islam has since continued in its diabolical ways.

But with the restoration if Israel beginning in 1917, the declaration of independence in 1948 and the recovery of Jerusalem in 1967 we can see that indeed the fig tree grows to strength and is now putting forth leaves:-

32 “Now learn a parable of the fig tree: When his branch is yet tender and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is nigh.

33 So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors.

It is time to see the truth and accept Christ Jesus as saviour, before it's too late...

[ps49]

Why don't you put on your big boy pants and start responding to our questions you ignored?

His behaviour seems typically Islamic. Watch this video and count the number of straight and honest answers given...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cLAKwHFx0qE

[PeteWaldo]

Why don't you put on your big boy pants and start responding to our questions you ignored?

His behaviour seems typically Islamic. Watch this video and count the number of straight and honest answers given...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cLAKwHFx0qE

There's no truth in them, whether lying by intent or being fooled by the father of lies into lying, without realizing it.

[bahous]

Then he strictly charged the disciples to tell no one that he was the Christ.

Matthew 16:16-20

Simon Peter answered and said, “You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.”  Jesus answered and said to him, “Blessed are you, Simon Bar-Jonah, for flesh and blood has not revealed this to you, but My Father who is in heaven. ...Then He commanded His disciples that they should tell no one that He was Jesus the Christ.

How will you twist this one, Bahous?

this text that you are reffering to in translator's Mathiew doesn't exist in the other Gospel. it's a fake

the traslator's Mathiew Matthew's translator has displayed a predilection for the word of God son . it appears 80 times in his gospel .
falsifies the gospel

[ps49]

But the Gospels haven't changed since Muhammed's time... That's why we would like you to answer BistaBuster's question - please:-

My question to you, bahous, is why are you trying to rewrite the Bible but will not see the errors in your own books?  You say the Bible is corrupt but the Quran isn't. 

Then, if what you say is true, then we have two questions.  Why is the Quran telling Muslims that the Bible (the Torah and the Injeel) are allah's words? 

Second question.  If you say those books were lost, how come the Quran doesn't specify this little fact yet it still tells you this!

Sura 5:47  Let the people of the Injeel (Gospel) judge by what Allah has revealed therein. And whosoever does not judge by what Allah has revealed (then) such (people) are the Fasiqun (the rebellious i.e. disobedient (of a lesser degree) to Allah. 

So, Where is this elusive Torah and Injeel Muhammad spoke so highly of?  I want to read it. 
The only record Muhammad had to be talking about was the Bible. 

That is, unless you can produce a copy of the reference material Muhammad was actually talking about.

Another question for you.  Have you read the Torah and Injeel as specified in Sura 5:47?  No?  Is that because it was lost?  How come allah didn't know that? 

Until you do, you really are just blowing hot air out of your rear end.

John 20 "30 Jesus performed many other signs in the presence of his disciples, which are not recorded in this book."

The Gospels were written by different people who captured different aspects of the life of Jesus according to their circumstances and recorded according to their own understanding and wrote in their own style of speech. Therefore they complement each other without being exactly the same.

[ps49]

bahous - did you understand what I meant by this post?

Mark 12
35 Then Jesus answered and said, while He taught in the temple, “How is it that the scribes say that the Christ is the Son of David? 

36 For David himself said by the Holy Spirit:

‘The Lord said to my Lord,
“Sit at My right hand,
Till I make Your enemies Your footstool.”’

37 Therefore David himself calls Him ‘Lord’; how is He then his Son?” And the common people heard Him gladly.

Psalm 78
2 I will open my mouth in a parable;
I will utter dark sayings of old

Daniel 12
10 Many shall be purified, made white, and refined, but the wicked shall do wickedly; and none of the wicked shall understand, but the wise shall understand.

John 8
58 Jesus said unto them, “Verily, verily I say unto you, before Abraham was, I am!”

[ExMilitary]

Then he strictly charged the disciples to tell no one that he was the Christ.

Matthew 16:16-20

Simon Peter answered and said, “You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.”  Jesus answered and said to him, “Blessed are you, Simon Bar-Jonah, for flesh and blood has not revealed this to you, but My Father who is in heaven. ...Then He commanded His disciples that they should tell no one that He was Jesus the Christ.

How will you twist this one, Bahous?

this text that you are reffering to in translator's Mathiew doesn't exist in the other Gospel. it's a fake

the traslator's Mathiew Matthew's translator has displayed a predilection for the word of God son . it appears 80 times in his gospel .
falsifies the gospel

That passage is based on (at the latest) 4th century manuscripts in existence when Muhammad was alive.  In fact, from what I can tell, the manuscripts were discovered about 700 kilometers Northwest of Medina. Muhammad encouraged people to read these manuscripts as factual evidence of Jesus. 

[PeteWaldo]

this text that you are reffering to in translator's Mathiew doesn't exist in the other Gospel.

There is no "other" Gospel my friend, there is only one Gospel and it's whole subject as revealed through all of the Gospel witnesses, is the crucifixion, death and resurrection of the Messiah Yeshua, the Son of God, who saves all from dying in our sins who have faith in the blood He shed for us through His sacrifice.

The one great God of the scriptures of Jews and Christians did give you the free will to accept or reject Him. Your choice, your fate:

John 3:36 He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.

it's a fake

Which is the whole point, since you must believe the whole subject of the Gospel to be fake, because you follow Muhammad alone. You must reject all of God's prophets and witnesses as revealed in the 1600 year record of our great God Yahweh to mankind, and consider them "fake", because you follow the false prophet Muhammad alone through his heavily abrogated, 23-year, 7th century record, and are thus compelled to DISbelieve the crucifixion of Christ which is the basis of the whole subject of the Gospel and reject the shed blood of the Lamb of God that would save you from your sins, and deny and blaspheme the Son of God as articles of your "faith" in Muhammad alone. Because you are a member of a specifically counter-gospel, antichrist, anti-religion cult - a murderous, imperialistic political machine - invented by an illiterate, murderous, thieving, 7th century SW Arabian desert dwelling, terrorist reprobate.

Surah 33:26 Allah took down the People of the Scripture Book. He cast terror into their hearts. Some you slew, and some you made prisoners. And He made you heirs of their lands, their houses, and their goods, giving you a land which you had not traversed before. And Allah has power over all things.

Yet by Muhammad's 7th century the Gospel had been translated into every popular language, had been copied tens of thousands of times and had been read all over the known world for centuries, before your "messenger" proclaimed:

Sura 5:47 Let the people of the Gospel judge by what Allah hath revealed therein. If any do fail to judge by (the light of) what Allah hath revealed, they are (no better than) those who rebel.

So your post indicates you must think Muhammad to have been pretty stupid, to have made what you can only believe to have been such an egregious error, as to tell Christians to go by what God revealed in the Gospel.
If not then please explain.

[PeteWaldo]

What bahous really needs is to address is the central issue that Muhammad alone makes him deny the whole subject of the Gospel and blaspheme the Son of God.

Rather than allow him to distract further why don't we unite and insist he offer an explanation regarding Sura 5:47, that he has ignored at least a half dozen times, thus breaking the vow he affirmed when he joined the forum? (as ExMil alluded to in his post)

Sura 5:68 Say: "O People of the Book! ye have no ground to stand upon unless ye stand fast by the Law, the Gospel, and all the revelation that has come to you from your Lord."

Sura 80.13 (It is) in Books held (greatly) in honour, 14 Exalted (in dignity), kept pure and holy,15 (Written) by the hands of scribes- 16 Honourable and Pious and Just.

sura 4:136 O ye who believe! Believe in Allah and His Messenger, and the scripture which He hath sent to His Messenger and the scripture which He sent to those before (him). Any who denieth Allah, His angels, His Books, His Messengers, and the Day of Judgment, hath gone far, far astray.