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Re: The Messiah comes from arabic land
« Reply #25 on: February 06, 2016, 04:54:33 AM »
Ah - the sound of silence...

Well so far, bahous has declared the Gospels of John, Mark and Matthew to be fakes. So just where is this Gospel, the one which Muhammed held with such high esteem? Is it the Gospel of Luke? Maybe one of the so-called gnostic "gospels" perhaps? Are you going to enlighten us bahous?

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Re: The Messiah comes from arabic land
« Reply #26 on: February 14, 2016, 11:14:10 AM »
by comparing the parallel verses of Mark and Luke to Mathieu one realizes that Matthew's translator had a morbid passion to add the title " Son of God "

for exemple :
Mt 4/3 ' 3 And the tempter came to him , saying, If thou be the Son of God , command that these stones become bread "

Mt 4/6 : '6 and said, If thou be the Son of God, cast thyself down: for it is written :' He will command "

Mc1 / 13 : "13 And he was in the wilderness forty days, tempted by Satan ; and he was with the wild beasts ; and the angels ministered to him . "


we see that St. Mark avoids the name of the Son of God . it is the same for all the verses .


here is the miracle of the Qur'an

I- Mt4 / 3: Mt4 / 7 text Mc1 / 13:

II- Mt 12/50 has Mc3 / 35 ; Lk 8/21

III- MT16 / 16: Mc : 8/29 ; Lk 9/20 :

IV- MT14 / 33: MC6 / 51 :

V - MT20 / 23: MC10 / 40:

VI- MT26 / 29: to MC14 / 25 ; Luc 22/18 :

VII- MT27 / 40: to MC15 / 30; LC23 / 35

VIII -Mt 27/43 to MC15 / 32; Lk 23/39

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« Reply #27 on: February 14, 2016, 02:23:48 PM »
But all of the four canonical Gospels agree that Jesus of Nazareth claimed to be and was indeed the prophesised Messiah and Son of God:-

Mat 4:3 "Now when the tempter came to Him, he said, “If You are the Son of God, command that these stones become bread.”

Mat 8:29 And suddenly they cried out, saying, “What have we to do with You, Jesus, You Son of God? Have You come here to torment us before the time?”

Mark 1:1 The beginning of the gospel of Jesus Christ, the Son of God

Mark 3:11 And the unclean spirits, whenever they saw Him, fell down before Him and cried out, saying, “You are the Son of God.”

Luke 1:35 And the angel answered and said to her, “The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Highest will overshadow you; therefore, also, that Holy One who is to be born will be called the Son of God.

Luke 4:41 And demons also came out of many, crying out and saying, “You are the Christ, [fn] the Son of God!” And He, rebuking them, did not allow them to speak, for they knew that He was the Christ.

John 1:34 “And I have seen and testified that this is the Son of God.”

John 3:18 “He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

And many more from each... there is no disagrement amongst the four authors: Jesus of Nazareth is the Son of God.

So the question remains! Please answer: where is the gospel which Muhammed held in such high esteem as to state the following:-

Sura 5:68 Say: "O People of the Book! ye have no ground to stand upon unless ye stand fast by the Law, the Gospel, and all the revelation that has come to you from your Lord."

Sura 80.13 (It is) in Books held (greatly) in honour, 14 Exalted (in dignity), kept pure and holy,15 (Written) by the hands of scribes- 16 Honourable and Pious and Just.

sura 4:136 O ye who believe! Believe in Allah and His Messenger, and the scripture which He hath sent to His Messenger and the scripture which He sent to those before (him). Any who denieth Allah, His angels, His Books, His Messengers, and the Day of Judgment, hath gone far, far astray.

If you cannot show us this "gospel" then you have no ground to stand on. This truth must be obvious to anybody reading this. By certifying the authenticity of the Gospel, Muhammed must actually agree that Jesus of Nazareth is the Son of God...

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Re: The Messiah comes from arabic land
« Reply #28 on: February 15, 2016, 02:10:38 AM »
But all of the four canonical Gospels agree that Jesus of Nazareth claimed to be and was indeed the prophesised Messiah and Son of God:-

From the 19th century Catholic critics and by the Protestant saw in the book of Mark a solid document to rewrite sane history of Jesus ,based on scientific evidence , far from the marvelous of Mathiew and the work of synthesis did by Luc h and apologetic purpose of John.


Marc is John Paul's companion in his first missionary journey. Acts tells us that John called Mark cut short his trip with Paul and promptly returned to Jerusalem.
just after his return (he would have submitted its report against Paul and his dangerous tendency to the message of the Gospel) the first council met.

for ample information he is the nephew of Barnabas (famous for its well known gospel of Muslims).


this is the book where the title "Son of God" appears more sparingly.

Mark insinuates that this title is satanic; it occurs in his gospel on the mouth of demons (of Djins), or the mouth of demons (men).

Here the study:

I- on the mouth of demons (Djins)

Marc3 / 11: 11 And the unclean spirits, when they saw him, fell down before him, and cried, saying, Thou art the Son of God

Marc 5/7 "7 and, crying with a loud voice, he said: What is it between you and me, Jesus, Son of God Most High * I charge you by God, do not torment me? not.

II- on the lips of men demons

Marc 14/61: 61 And he was silent, and answered nothing. The priest still questioned, and said: Thou art the Christ, the Son of the Blessed? *
Marc15 / 39: "39 And the centurion, who stood vis-a-vis him, seeing that he had expired and shouting, saying, Certainly this was the Son of God.

Marc and 1/1 "1 The beginning of the gospel of Jesus Christ, Son of God" is adulterated all learned Christians agreed that these two words do not exist in holy manuscript. (It is a forgery)


the recap: four times appears the title of the Son of God pronounced by the devils and demons men.

that honor you dear Christian to be taught by Satan






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Re: The Messiah comes from arabic land
« Reply #29 on: February 15, 2016, 03:35:04 AM »
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I- on the mouth of demons (Djins)...
...II- on the lips of men demons

Yes, even the demons know that Jesus is the Son of God and tremble before Him. Most worryingly, the demons were not afraid of Muhammed in the cave of Hira, in fact, they appear to have been instrumental in the forming of Muhammed's writings and his horrid death cult.

You fail to mention that according to Mark it is also on the lips of Jesus Himself:-

Mar 14:61
But He kept silent and answered nothing. Again the high priest asked Him, saying to Him, “Are You the Christ, the Son of the Blessed?”

Jesus said, “I am. And you will see the Son of Man sitting at the right hand of the Power, and coming with the clouds of heaven.”


You also fail to mention that God The Father confirms Jesus as Son of God here:-

Mar 1:10
And immediately, coming up from the water, He saw the heavens parting and the Spirit descending upon Him like a dove.
Then a voice came from heaven, “You are My beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.”
Immediately the Spirit drove Him into the wilderness.


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Marc and 1/1 "1 The beginning of the gospel of Jesus Christ, Son of God" is adulterated all learned Christians agreed that these two words do not exist in holy manuscript. (It is a forgery)

Why don't you show us what these "learned Christians" actually said? Show us your sources to prove you are not just voicing unsubstantiated nonsense. You have a strong tendency to declare any biblical texts "fake" or "forgery" if they don't concur with your extant belief system.

And the question still remains: Where is the gospel that Muhammed held in such high esteem? All of the four canonical gospels contradict Muhammed by declaring the Sonship, Divinity, Crucifixion, Resurrection and Ascension of Jesus of Nazareth. So what exactly was Muhammed reading circa AD 613? It can only have been of "gnostic" origin - such heresies were common in the 1st, 2nd and 3rd centuries.

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Re: The Messiah comes from arabic land
« Reply #30 on: February 15, 2016, 10:05:29 AM »
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I- on the mouth of demons (Djins)...
...II- on the lips of men demons

Yes, even the demons know that Jesus is the Son of God and tremble before Him.

Demons are created to say lies and mislead the mankind


you are misled and you have Satan for teacher



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Re: The Messiah comes from arabic land
« Reply #31 on: February 15, 2016, 01:43:59 PM »
But all of the four canonical Gospels agree that Jesus of Nazareth claimed to be and was indeed the prophesised Messiah and Son of God:-

From the 19th century Catholic critics and by the Protestant saw in the book of Mark a solid document to rewrite sane history of Jesus ,based on scientific evidence , far from the marvelous of Mathiew and the work of synthesis did by Luc h and apologetic purpose of John.


Marc is John Paul's companion in his first missionary journey. Acts tells us that John called Mark cut short his trip with Paul and promptly returned to Jerusalem.
just after his return (he would have submitted its report against Paul and his dangerous tendency to the message of the Gospel) the first council met.

for ample information he is the nephew of Barnabas (famous for its well known gospel of Muslims).


this is the book where the title "Son of God" appears more sparingly.

Mark insinuates that this title is satanic; it occurs in his gospel on the mouth of demons (of Djins), or the mouth of demons (men).

Here the study:

I- on the mouth of demons (Djins)

Marc3 / 11: 11 And the unclean spirits, when they saw him, fell down before him, and cried, saying, Thou art the Son of God

Marc 5/7 "7 and, crying with a loud voice, he said: What is it between you and me, Jesus, Son of God Most High * I charge you by God, do not torment me? not.

II- on the lips of men demons

Marc 14/61: 61 And he was silent, and answered nothing. The priest still questioned, and said: Thou art the Christ, the Son of the Blessed? *
Marc15 / 39: "39 And the centurion, who stood vis-a-vis him, seeing that he had expired and shouting, saying, Certainly this was the Son of God.

Marc and 1/1 "1 The beginning of the gospel of Jesus Christ, Son of God" is adulterated all learned Christians agreed that these two words do not exist in holy manuscript. (It is a forgery)

the recap: four times appears the title of the Son of God pronounced by the devils and demons men.

that honor you dear Christian to be taught by Satan

Look at what a demon possessed antichrist liar you increasingly demonstrate yourself to be! Why is it that Muslims believe that simply repeating a lie, will make it magically come true?

You attempt to advance demonstrably and provably false lies about a few verses, yet your lie is readily exposed by the hundreds of verses that proclaim Jesus to be the the Son of God and Jesus' own proclamations of God being His Father, and then when the verse that opens the book of Mark doesn't serve your preposterous lies, you claim it does "not exist in holy manuscript. (It is a forgery)".
http://www.islamandthetruth.com/jesus_the_son_of_god.htm
http://www.islamandthetruth.com/god_the_father.htm

Which I knew from your first false premise about Muhammad being the Messiah, in here is the 16th century Muhammadan forgery of the fake so-called "Gospel of Barnabas". A claim that even your orthodox Muslim brethren would likely be happy to cut your head off for.

It certainly is a fact that demons are afraid of the name of the Messiah, Jesus Christ, Yeshua because that is the name through which they are cast out of possessed persons. Christian ministers that are so-called today, do the same, just as was done in the first century.

It's too bad Muhammad was to ignorant of the things of the Spirit of God, to know how to "try the spirits" when the demon met him in the Cave of Hira! Muhammad certainly had no doubt it was a demon that met him in the Cave of Hira and terrified him by making him feel like it was squeezing the life out of him three times.
But Khadijah talked him out of it being the evil spirit that it was. Thus it isn't unreasonable to suggest that Satan's cult of Islam, is actually the cult founded by Khadijah, because she talked Muhammad into believing the demonic spirit that founded the counter-gospel, antichrist, anti-religion of Islam was from God.

Here is how it went in that cave:

Quoting from the Hadith of Bukhari, 9.111:  Narrated 'Aisha:  The commencement of the Divine Inspiration to Allah's Apostle was in the form of good righteous (true) dreams in his sleep. He never had a dream but that it came true like bright day light. He used to go in seclusion (the cave of) Hira where he used to worship(Allah Alone) continuously for many (days) nights. He used to take with him the journey food for that (stay) and then come back to (his wife) Khadija to take his food like-wise again for another period to stay, till suddenly the Truth descended upon him while he was in the cave of Hira. The angel came to him in it and asked him to read. The Prophet replied, "I do not know how to read." (The Prophet added), "The angel caught me (forcefully) and pressed me so hard that I could not bear it anymore. He then released me and again asked me to read, and I replied, "I do not know how to read," whereupon he caught me again and pressed me a second time till I could not bear it anymore.  He then released me and asked me again to read, but again I replied, "I do not know how to read (or, what shall I read?)." Thereupon he caught me for the third time and pressed me and then released me and said, "Read: In the Name of your Lord, Who has created (all that exists). Has created man from a clot. Read and Your Lord is Most Generous...up to..... ..that which he knew not." (96.15)

Then Allah's Apostle returned with the Inspiration, his neck muscles twitching with terror till he entered upon Khadija and said, "Cover me! Cover me!" They covered him till his fear was over and then he said, "O Khadija, what is wrong with me?" Then he told her everything that had happened and said, 'I fear that something may happen to me." Khadija said, 'Never! But have the glad tidings, for by Allah, Allah will never disgrace you as you keep good relations with your Kith and kin, speak the truth, help the poor and the destitute, serve your guest generously and assist the deserving, calamity-afflicted ones."
http://answering-islam.org/Silas/demons.htm

Returned with "neck muscles twitching" which is another manifestation of demonic possession, just as his falling to the ground and writhing around foaming at the mouth as a camel, was another indication. The poor soul suffered demonic possession all his adult life (and likely his whole life since his family was so deep into the occult), with nobody ever delivering him from his demons.

""The authoritative Hadith (Tradition) relate that Muhammad used to faint whenever revelation came to him. It is claimed he used to act like a drunkard (See Al-Sirah al-Nabawiya, by Ibn Hisham; chapter on how revelation came). In his boo, Al-Qur’an al-Majid, Darwaza claims that Muhammad was taken out of this world. Abu Huraira says that ‘whenever Muhammad received revelation, he was overwhelmed by trembling.’ Another account says: ‘He became distressed, foaming at the mouth and closing his eyes. At times he snorted like a young camel’ (Ahmad b. Hanbal I, 34, 464, VI, 163)." (The True Guidance (Part Four): An Introduction to Quranic Studies [Light of Life, P.O. Box, A-9503, Villach, Austria], p. 9; bold emphasis ours)"
http://answering-islam.org/authors/thompson/demonic_influence.html

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Re: The Messiah comes from arabic land
« Reply #32 on: February 15, 2016, 01:57:40 PM »
So far you have failed to come up with a single "lie against Islam", in this forum or in any of the websites at the links below, to cite on that related thread.
http://www.islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=4886.0

Now you are going to need to start answering our earlier questions that you ignored, or go on another vacation, each time, double the length of vacation we sent you on the time before. Please address the question from your original thread, at the following link, or you will be sent on a 6 day vacation.
http://www.islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=4807.msg18802#msg18802