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Daniel's 1290 and 1335
« on: August 05, 2009, 03:07:39 PM »
Let's explore Daniel's 1290 "days" in prophecy, that he penned over 500 years before John authored the problems from Revelation above:

5. (KJV) Daniel 12:11: And from the time [that] the daily [sacrifice] shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, [there shall be] a thousand two hundred and ninety days.
(Tanach) -  Daniel 12:11 And from the time the daily sacrifice was removed and the silent abomination placed, is one thousand, two hundred, and ninety.


Sacrifices were suspended three times in the Old Testament:  once before Daniel (Chronicles 28:24-25), once during the Babylonian captivity in 583 BC (Chronicles 36:19 and Ezra 3:6), and once, about four hundred years later, by the Greek king Antiochus Epiphanies.  Let's try the 583 date considering that the angel Gabriel may have had Daniel write about the abolition of sacrifices with which he was directly familiar.

Old Testament - day = year "language" is suggested in Genesis' account of the flood as 30 day months pointing to a 360 day prophetic year, each year being equal to .9857 solar year (360/365.24) of or our modern historical record that the event dating comes from. 1290 x .9857 = 1271.5 solar years.  Subtracting 583 we arrive again at 688.5 AD.  The founding year of The Dome of the Rock - THE ABOMINATION OF DESOLATION.



There is a year or two leeway in Babylonian period historical dating, rendering "zero year" discussion unimportant.  Might the Lord have allowed for the calculation to remain simple anyway?

Daniel and John's prophecies were written over 500 years apart, yet the two books unite with mathematical precision - both pinning the year 688 AD - that was hundreds of years in John's future and over a thousand years in Daniel's future!

From TFP: "When Khalifah Omar entered Jerusalem in 639AD, he was met by Sophronius, Bishop of the Jerusalem Church, who showed him around the city. Seeing the temple mount (then in rubble), Omar declared that he was going to build a memorial to Muhammad on the original site of the temple of God. Sophronius exclaimed in horror,  "Verily, this is the Abomination of Desolation as spoken of by Daniel the prophet, and it now stands in the holy place".  Though Sophronius was a very old man of about 80, Khalifah Omar put him in prison and to forced labor, the severities of which killed him." - Jerry Landay - "The Dome of the Rock"

Is there an explanation as to why we couldn't see the perfect mathematical relationships between these two prophets before this "time"?

Daniel 12:4  But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, [even] to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased.
Daniel 12:9  And he said, Go thy way, Daniel: for the words [are] closed up and sealed till the time of the end.  

Isaac Newton, Matthew Henry and many of those before us understood that the book of Daniel, and by extension Revelation, would not be fully understood until the "time of the end".  


Let's try the very next verse after Daniel's 1290 days verse, and see if we can confirm the method we used, with Daniel's 1335 "days":

6. Daniel 12:12: Blessed [is] he that waiteth, and cometh to the thousand three hundred and five and thirty days.
Tanach:   Dan 12:12:. Fortunate is he who waits and reaches days of one thousand, three hundred, and thirty-five.

1335 x .9857 (O.T. prophetic year "language" conversion) = 1315.9 - 583 BC = 732.9 AD.  

http://www.beholdthebeast.com/240585f0.jpg

A quick Yahoo search determines that 732 was the year of The Battle of Tours, France.  This battle was fought exactly 100 years after Mohammed's death.  The Battle of Tours is widely considered to be the most important battle of the entire Christian era.  Charles "Martel" (the hammer), against astronomical odds, defeated the Islamic army, and the spread of Islam, in its near conquest of the whole known world, as it headed up through Europe during the Islamic First Jihad.  Indeed blessed was he who patiently waited and made it through the First Jihad, without converting to Islam, or denying his Lord and Savior.



http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/History/Tours.html

This epic battle was the turning point marking the zenith of the Islamic onslaught delivering the mortal wound to the spearhead of the invading forces, and killing the literal head of the advancing army Emir Abd er Rahman.  "Without his leadership and guidance, the other commanders were unable to even agree on a commander to lead them back into battle the following morning. The effect of the death of Abdul Rahman on both Islamic and world history was profound."  ".... according to one unidentified Arab, 'That army went through all places like a desolating storm.' sacking and capturing the city of Bordeaux, and then defeating the army of Duke Odo of Aquitaine at the Battle of the River Garonne - where the western chroniclers state, 'God alone knows the number of the slain' [3] and Odo fled to Charles Martel, seeking help."  



Map source Wikipedia

Stunningly, the two math problems from Daniel launch from the shared beginning date of 583 BC and nail God's symbolic pin date for the Islamic Dome of the Rock - the ABOMINATION OF DESOLATION - and then go on to pin the year of the zenith of, and death knell of, the Islamic First Jihad conquering of nearly the whole known world!  At the same time the above problems unite the books of Revelation and Daniel with mathematical and textual precision.

Blessedly we don't have to depend on only the six math problems above.  There are over a dozen such problems explored in The False Prophet.  If the above peaked your interest it would be best to start that book from the beginning, to keep them in context, because The False Prophet is a sound, hermeneutic, brick by brick, empirical argument.  For the impatient I'll abbreviate a few more problems to hopefully tease you into reading the FREE book.


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Re: Daniel's 1290 and 1335
« Reply #1 on: May 14, 2010, 06:59:38 PM »
I just did a quick calculation

632 + 1335 = 1967

632 Death of Mohammed
1967 Jews regain Jerusalem

Don't know about the 1290 though. Did anything significant happen in 1922?

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Re: Daniel's 1290 and 1335
« Reply #2 on: May 18, 2010, 06:59:53 AM »
I just did a quick calculation

632 + 1335 = 1967

632 Death of Mohammed
1967 Jews regain Jerusalem

Don't know about the 1290 though. Did anything significant happen in 1922?

Of what significance is Mohammed's death to the verses?

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Re: Daniel's 1290 and 1335
« Reply #3 on: May 20, 2010, 06:27:45 AM »
I am surprised you ask what the significance of Mohammed's death is. I assumed it was understood since the context of the thread is about Islam.

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632 - Muhammad dies.
632 - Abu-Bakr, Muhammads father-in-law, along with Umar, begin a military move to enforce Islam in Arabia.

Wasn't that the beginning of the first jihad? I would have thought that was more significant than the Battle of Tours or even that the date of the Dome of the Rock was sort of in the middle of 583 BC and 1967.

And blessed is he that blesses Israel - pray for the peace of Jerusalem for they shall prosper who bless you.
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Re: Daniel's 1290 and 1335
« Reply #4 on: May 20, 2010, 06:46:41 AM »
I am surprised you ask what the significance of Mohammed's death is. I assumed it was understood since the context of the thread is about Islam.

Why would the subject of Islam necessarily give any significance to Mohammed's death?
I sometimes mention that the Battle of Tours was exactly a hundred years after Mohammed's death. It has no significance whatsoever, but the death knell of the Islamic First Jihad just happens to be a hundred years later. A completely irrelevant anecdote.

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Re: Revelation Chapter 9
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632 - Muhammad dies.
632 - Abu-Bakr, Muhammads father-in-law, along with Umar, begin a military move to enforce Islam in Arabia.

That is from a copy and pasted timeline. Folks put various things in timelines to provide information. The author perhaps shouldn't have included Mohammed's death date since his timeline was about battles, and Mohammed's death wasn't a battle, nor did it happen in a battle.

Wasn't that the beginning of the first jihad?

No. As the very timeline that you pulled those two lines from shows, the First Jihad began in 623 with the Battle of Waddan.

I would have thought that was more significant than the Battle of Tours .......

Some suggest that the Battle of Tours may well be the reason the whole world isn't speaking Arabic and bowing to Mecca today. It is perhaps the most significant battle of the entire Christian era.
Of what significance is the date of Mohammed's death? Certainly nothing changed as far as Islamic conquest or Mohammedanism itself is concerned.

........ or even that the date of the Dome of the Rock was sort of in the middle of 583 BC and 1967.

Have you read The False Prophet yet?
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?board=34.0
http://beholdthebeast.com/the_great_detective.htm

And blessed is he that blesses Israel - pray for the peace of Jerusalem for they shall prosper who bless you.

Amen. But sadly, I don't believe that peace for Israel is suggested in prophecy, nor particularly anywhere in sight politically, with Obama and the liberals joining the rest of the world, in selling Israel out in favor of the neighboring antichrists.
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