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Re: THE QURAN ON SCRIPTURE
« Reply #25 on: August 07, 2010, 06:00:24 AM »
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If you had continued to read the Gospel you would have realized that your claim is false. Islam is indeed the opposite of the Gospel.

Not agreee,

You never even read the Gospel, so how are you in a position to agree or disagree? Consider the opposites at this link.

.... not ALL verse in Gospel is opposite of the Islam, .......

Don't get lost in fringe details pretending that this verse here, or that verse there, might support Mohammed, because Christianity and Mohammedan could not be more opposite in their cores. Consider the difference in the fruit. Why do Sunnis target for slaughter innocent Shiite men, women and children? Why do parents kill their own children to preserve their "honor"?
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?board=54.0

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« Reply #26 on: August 07, 2010, 06:01:12 AM »
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How many religions do you suppose there are, whose very basis - that at their very core - instruct their adherents as to what to disbelieve?

This is not part of our discussion. <<--- I learned it from you..

And now that you have "learned" it you must be able to understand that you must make a choice.
Between the 1600 year record of Yahweh to mankind through ALL of His prophets and apostles and witnesses, that His people have followed for 3500 years.
Scripture that instructs Yahweh's people in what to believe.

But you believe the EXACT OPPOSITE that you have been taught, through the false prophet Mohammed that came along 500 years later, with thinly repackaged Arabian pagan worship. http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=1282.0
A STAND-ALONE 23 year record of a single self-proclaimed prophet whose "Allah" instructed his followers what to DISbelieve.
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?board=59.0

I even showed you that the crucifixion of Yeshua was prophesied 700 years in advance of the event.

Psalms 22:16 For dogs have compassed me: the assembly of the wicked have inclosed me: they pierced my hands and my feet. 17 I may tell all my bones: they look [and] stare upon me. 18 They part my garments among them, and cast lots upon my vesture.

Now that you have learned that, you will be without excuse, when standing before the Son of Yahweh in judgment.

John 5:22 For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son:

Now that you have seen, you must decide. Between a faith that instructs what to believe through all of Yahweh's prophets and witnesses, or Mohammed and what to DISbelieve.

2Pe 2:21 For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known [it], to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them.

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Re: THE QURAN ON SCRIPTURE
« Reply #27 on: August 07, 2010, 06:05:52 AM »
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After you have answered that question perhaps you can try this one.
Where did Mohammed ever claim the Gospel was corrupted?

Mohammed didn't. Who claim it? Christian Scholars.

So now you follow Christian scholars that specifically contradict Mohammed?

It would indeed be utterly ridiculous to suggest that the Gospel was changed AFTER the 7th century, when it had been copied tens of thousands of times, and was being read all over the known world. Particularly changed to become the EXACT OPPOSITE, of the rape, pillage and plunder that Mohammed engaged in and taught.
So how do you reconcile this?


(We can discuss those "scholars" you cited on the appropriate thread, where I already copied your post to, and posted my first few questions.)
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=97.30

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Re: THE QURAN ON SCRIPTURE
« Reply #28 on: August 07, 2010, 06:23:24 AM »
Now,Brother Pete, do you believe that the Bible that is existing now have errors?
or modified? I think you don't even many Christians does.

I believe there perhaps are a small handful of scribal errors that do not change the meanings of the passages in which they are found in any significant way whatsoever. One reason it has been handed down very much intact, as confirmed by the discovery of the dead sea scrolls, is Hebrew scribal methodology.
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=97.0

Since I am English speaking, and my King James Version is a translation from Hebrew and Greek (and a little Syriac), there are a few words that might have been translated better. That's why I use Greek/English and Hebrew/English interlinears and Strong's definitions to help me understand more fully. Though none of these minor translation errors fundamentally change the passages in which they are found. The many many hundreds of passages, that the WITNESSES of Yahshua penned, that are THE EXACT OPPOSITE of what the STAND-ALONE false prophet Mohammed contradicted 500 years later, are truth.

But a person doesn't need to be a scholar, or even to have read the whole Bible, since all a person needs to know about the Gospel, and believe with their whole heart about Yahshua, is this one-verse summary of the Gospel ...

John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

And what about the Quran? Consider the false, and 7th and 8th century pure historical fiction, of Islam.
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?board=56.0

Even Mohammed knew what a mess he made of his own recitations.
2:106 (Asad) Any message which, We annul or consign to oblivion We replace with a better or a similar one. Dost thou not know that God has the power to will anything?
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=116.0
Does that read like divine inspiration, or the changing whims of a self-serving "prophet", who even cut himself in for 1/5 of the property stolen from others, just like a Mafia Don.
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=951.0

You have now been shown the only plausible answer to this thread. Mohammed's earlier recitations are rendered as nothing more than garbage, because they are abrogated by his later, violent ones. That's why true Muslims are targeting innocents for murder all around the world, just like Mohammed did.
Verses like those in the original post must be ignored and contradicted.
That's why you suffer under the delusion that you can throw out 3/4 of the Gospel, and preposterously and falsely pretend that the remaining 1/4, that doesn't specifically and directly contradict Mohammed's STAND-ALONE RECORD, somehow serve Mohammedanism. Why not read the Gospel for yourself?
http://www.islamandthetruth.com/gospel_of_john.htm

Try this. Why not start with the First Epistle of John, from the same version Deedat pretended to quote from, and see if you agree with Deedat that it confirms Mohammed as a true prophet, and not an antichrist.
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=273.0

1John 5:10 He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son.

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Re: THE QURAN ON SCRIPTURE
« Reply #29 on: August 07, 2010, 07:22:19 AM »
Mohammed is why most everywhere we find murder, mayhem and misery, all around the world today, we find Islam.
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?board=52.0

"Gerd Puin, the world's leading specialist in Arabic calligraphy and Qur'anic paleography, studying the oldest manuscripts, speaks with disdain about the willingness of Muslims and non-Muslims alike, to accept Islamic dogma. He says: "The Qur'an claims for itself that it is 'mubeen,' or clear, but if you just look at it, you will see that every fifth sentence or so simply doesn't make sense. Many Muslims will tell you otherwise, but the fact is that a fifth of the Qur'an is just incomprehensible. This is what has caused the traditional anxiety regarding translation. If the Qur'an is not comprehensible, if it can't even be understood in Arabic, then it's not translatable into any language. That is why Muslims are afraid."

Discuss the Quran and Hadith in that category.
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?board=41.0

I already gave you a link to our discussion regarding the textual criticism of your "scholars", already in progress.
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=97.30

Regarding Mohammed's "inspiration" here
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=452.0

Hebrews 10:29 Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?

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Re: THE QURAN ON SCRIPTURE
« Reply #30 on: August 07, 2010, 07:22:48 AM »
Pete, Muhammed is not lying in the original post, in the original post Muhammed is pointing out a scripture who is written by scribes after Allah taken the soul of Jesus.The original one.

Right. "The original one".
So where is this "original one"? Please show us.
If you can't show us the original, then you are admitting that Mohammed's "Allah" was ignorant to what the future would bring, when he inspired the verses in the original post.

Besides the necessary and preposterous notion, that somehow the entire Gospel became the exact opposite of what it had been, after the 7th century when Mohammed recited those verses.

The Gospel was the same before, and the same after, my friend. CHRISTians have been Christians for almost 2,000 years. Followers of CHRIST THE Messiah - THE anointed one.

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Re: THE QURAN ON SCRIPTURE
« Reply #31 on: August 08, 2010, 03:30:01 AM »
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The new covenant through the crucifixion, death, and resurrection of Yahsuha, and salvation through faith in His shed blood,

I understand that Jesus is your God who crucified, died, punish in order to save you. Lets make it clear
"God crucified" "God died" "God punish by his own slaves"
Is it ugly to hear?right? can you accept it that your God suffered like that?How powerless is He if that
the only way he can save us. We Muslims believe that the man who crucified and died is not Jesus.

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You were taught to DISbelieve the Gospel by Satan through his false prophet Mohammed


Chapter 16 verse 12-14
12 I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now. 13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, [that] shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come. 14  He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall shew [it] unto you.

Who He is referring? He is referring to Satan? thats what you are saying.

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Mohammed's followers are "....  full of doubts, with no (certain) knowledge, but only conjecture to follow ..."

I dont think so that verse is referring to Mohammed's follower. I think it refers to you Pete.

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You are being carried to your destruction, my young friend. Forever is a very long time.

Let's see brother Pete.

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You have still not answered to the subject of this thread. The Gospel is the same today as it was in the 7th century. How do you explain the verses in the original post?

Gospel is not the same today as it was in the 7th century. The verses in the original post like what i said it refers to the scripture that exist during the 7th century not today.

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Where in the Quran does Mohammed say the Gospel is corrupted?


"Jesus, I will take you back and raise you up to Me and purify you of those who are unbelievers. And I will place the people who follow you above those who are unbelievers until the Day of Resurrection..." (Qur'an, 3:55)

This verse says that Jesus is not dead nor died in the cross. The Gospel say Jesus died and crucified. So the Gospel is opposite of this. So the Gospel is not the same today as it was written at the very first time. So Gospel is now corrupted.

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Right. "The original one".
So where is this "original one"? Please show us.

Im afraid i can't. Its lost
You can you show me the very source of it?what its look like before?
WHEN THE FIRST SCRIBES WROTE IT,WAS IT CALLED "KING JAMES VERSION"?

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Re: THE QURAN ON SCRIPTURE
« Reply #32 on: August 08, 2010, 03:30:51 AM »
Who is Yahshua and Jesus? Are they the same?
When the name "Yahshua" translated in other languange become "Jesus".
So when your name Peter translated in other language what would be your name?

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« Reply #33 on: August 08, 2010, 07:08:41 AM »
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The new covenant through the crucifixion, death, and resurrection of Yahsuha, and salvation through faith in His shed blood,

I understand that Jesus is your God who crucified, died, punish in order to save you. Lets make it clear
"God crucified" "God died" "God punish by his own slaves"

Yahweh doesn't keep slaves. Satan keeps slaves. You are a slave of Satan, my friend. That's why you understand "Allah" (the moon god) to be a slave driver.

The people that Yahshua sacrificed Himself to - more of Satan's slaves - were not the people that He sacrificed Himself for - His children. His killers weren't in Yahweh's kingdom. Just like Yahweh's innocent people are being slaughtered by Muslims in much of Africa - by the million - and throughout the rest of the world today. That's pretty ugly isn't it? That Muslims would slaughter, rape and subjugate innocent people to slavery. Yet they are only doing what Mohammed did.

Yet persecution has been the lot of Yahweh's people throughout the Christian era. Indeed it's what we were promised.

2Ti 3:12 Yea, and all that will live godly in Christ Jesus shall suffer persecution.

Christians and Jews being slaughtered is ugly, but the reward is great. That's why Christians understand that

Phl 1:21 For to me to live [is] Christ, and to die [is] gain.

Is it ugly to hear?right? can you accept it that your God suffered like that?

I can, because He did. He suffered for me and everyone else that has faith in His shed blood.
I believe it because the records of Christians, Jews and the secular historical record also attest. You deny it because of A SINGLE 7th century murdering thief.

The Jews that had Him killed were expecting a great conquering king. Just like you would. That's why many Jews didn't recognize Him as the Messiah. He did indeed come as a conquering king, but what He conquered is death - for all those who have faith in His shed blood.

I am sorry but it is preposterous to suggest that Yahweh would send a murdering, prisoner raping thief along, 500 years later, to teach THE EXACT OPPOSITE of Yahshua through all of His prophets and witnesses. I showed you the verses that warn of that, as well as the fate of those who follow false prophets.

I can believe it because He died and was resurrected after 3 days just like He indicated to His apostles He would be.

John 2:19 Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.  20 Then said the Jews, Forty and six years was this temple in building, and wilt thou rear it up in three days? 21 But he spake of the temple of his body. 22  When therefore he was risen from the dead, his disciples remembered that he had said this unto them; and they believed the scripture, and the word which Jesus had said.

Yet you reject the blood and resurrection that would save you, to follow a reprobate false prophet, who died a wimpy death in bed finally succumbing to a prior poisoning, and whose corpse still lies rotting in it's shallow grave.


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Re: THE QURAN ON SCRIPTURE
« Reply #34 on: August 08, 2010, 07:43:33 AM »
You cannot see the things of the Spirit of God, because you are of the flesh, and not the Spirit.

Rom 9:7 Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, [are they] all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called.

You are making your own god based on what is or is not "ugly to hear" through your carnal ears and mind, just like Mohammed did. A god of your own desires.
How did Yahshua's witnesses die? Here's a short video that details a few.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d4rtYAO3UxA

They were slaughtered by Satan's people, the same way Yahweh's innocent followers are being slaughtered by Muslims all around the world today.

"Once again, women are the targets. In mid-March, rebels assaulted three women gathering firewood and cut off their ears, lips, and breasts."
"Starting in 2003, Janjaweed Arabs, a Sudan-backed militia, have driven 2 million villagers from their homes in ethnic-cleansing attacks designed to suppress local rebels."

"Eyewitness accounts detailing the militia attacks are horrifying. "They killed my 3-year-old son right in front of my eyes," one father from West Darfur said. Since last fall, women have reported more than 500 rapes. Three women said five militiamen beat and raped them last August. The women said, "After they abused us, they told us that now we would have Arab babies. And, if they would find any [more] women, they would rape them again to change the color of their children.""

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« Reply #35 on: August 08, 2010, 07:56:11 AM »
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Just like Yahweh's innocent people are being slaughtered by Muslims in much of Africa - by the million - and throughout the rest of the world today. That's pretty ugly isn't it? That Muslims would slaughter, rape and subjugate innocent people to slavery. Yet they are only doing what Mohammed did.

My dear brother Peter, Speaking of violence. Islam or Quran is teaching a good one. That people you are saying is not a Muslim, I think you know what is Muslim. Once a person is against or violate the law of Allah they were not Muslim. You are accusing Mohammed of this kind of violence,otherwise you are saying Mohammed is not a Muslim.
You are generalizing who is bad and good. I'll help you to generalize people. First find out what mostly the religion of ALL inmates in the whole world. I'll tell you in my country mostly,almost all of the violence is done by your co-Christians

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Re: THE QURAN ON SCRIPTURE
« Reply #36 on: August 08, 2010, 08:01:31 AM »
How powerless .......

My friend, it is death that became powerless. How did Jesus weigh in on your suggestion?

Mat 28:18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.

....... is He if that
the only way he can save us.

It's how Yahweh CHOSE to save us.
If He had wanted to, he could have appeared in front of each and every one of us, and continuously accompanied us throughout our daily lives, physically sat in a chair right beside us, couldn't He?
But that isn't how He chose to reveal Himself to us.
What was the alter in the temple for?
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=519.0

We Muslims believe that the man who crucified and died is not Jesus.

Muslims have no idea whatsoever what to believe, because Satan - the jealous fallen angel, through the false prophet Mohammed only taught you what to DISbelieve.
Look at the wide array of different views of your brethren "...who differ therein are full of doubts, with no (certain) knowledge, but only conjecture to follow..." at this link.
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=628.0

Whereas Christians have been in complete resolve for the last 2.000 years, that Yahshua was crucified died and was resurrected,.
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=639.0

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Re: THE QURAN ON SCRIPTURE
« Reply #37 on: August 08, 2010, 08:09:47 AM »
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Just like Yahweh's innocent people are being slaughtered by Muslims in much of Africa - by the million - and throughout the rest of the world today. That's pretty ugly isn't it? That Muslims would slaughter, rape and subjugate innocent people to slavery. Yet they are only doing what Mohammed did.

My dear brother Peter, Speaking of violence. Islam or Quran is teaching a good one. That people you are saying is not a Muslim, I think you know what is Muslim. Once a person is against or violate the law of Allah they were not Muslim. You are accusing Mohammed of this kind of violence,otherwise you are saying Mohammed is not a Muslim.

My friend it is YOU that is not a Muslim. Islamic murderers all around the world are simply doing as the false prophet Mohammed did. Just like during the Islamic first jihad slaughter, rape, pillage and plunder all the way up to France and Austria.

Tabari VIII:35/Ishaq:464 "The Jews were made to come down, and Allah’s Messenger imprisoned them. Then the Prophet went out into the marketplace of Medina (it is still its marketplace today), and he had trenches dug in it. He sent for the Jewish men and had them beheaded in those trenches. They were brought out to him in batches. They numbered 800 to 900 boys and men."

Mohammed and the boys enjoyed raping the surviving prisoners too.

Bukhari:V5B59N459 "I entered the Mosque, saw Abu, sat beside him and asked about sex. Abu Said said, 'We went out with Allah’s Apostle and we received female slaves from among the captives. We desired women and we loved to do coitus interruptus.'"
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=1564.0

You are generalizing who is bad and good. I'll help you to generalize people. First find out what mostly the religion of ALL inmates in the whole world. I'll tell you in my country mostly,almost all of the violence is done by your co-Christians

You are the one that needs to find out about Mohammedanism.
You are the peacenick apostate that those murderous reprobates in the middle east cradle of your religion - that get Islam - would cut the head off of quicker than they would mine - and you know that.
Perhaps you could share what country you are speaking of and what violence is being perpetrated by Christians, IN AN APPROPRIATE THREAD. You have blown enough smokescreen in this thread to try to run and hide from the truth of the subject of this thread. Perhaps I need to move all of the unrelated posts, to related threads, so you don't keep trying to change the subject.

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Re: THE QURAN ON SCRIPTURE
« Reply #38 on: August 08, 2010, 08:16:12 AM »
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You have still not answered to the subject of this thread. The Gospel is the same today as it was in the 7th century. How do you explain the verses in the original post?

Gospel is not the same today as it was in the 7th century. The verses in the original post like what i said it refers to the scripture that exist during the 7th century not today.

I see. So then "Allah" was so clueless about the future that he didn't even know that the "original" Gospel would become extinct - that it would become the EXACT OPPOSITE of what it had been - when he told Christians to follow what "Allah" had revealed therein?

Why would he offer such a directive for a book that he should have known would not exist right after he offered the directive?

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« Reply #39 on: August 08, 2010, 08:20:31 AM »
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You have still not answered to the subject of this thread. The Gospel is the same today as it was in the 7th century. How do you explain the verses in the original post?

Gospel is not the same today as it was in the 7th century. The verses in the original post like what i said it refers to the scripture that exist during the 7th century not today.

So what happened to the tens of thousands of copies of Scripture, that had been translated into every popular language, and were being read all over the known world?

We know the various versions of the Quran had to be collected up and burned on 2 separate occasions.
But where is there a record of such a book burning in Christianity?

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« Reply #40 on: August 08, 2010, 08:21:14 AM »
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You have still not answered to the subject of this thread. The Gospel is the same today as it was in the 7th century. How do you explain the verses in the original post?

Gospel is not the same today as it was in the 7th century. The verses in the original post like what i said it refers to the scripture that exist during the 7th century not today.

How did Christians, all around the world, that had been following Yahshua for 650 years, all of a sudden start believing the EXACT OPPOSITE of the Gospel they had followed for 650 years?

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« Reply #41 on: August 08, 2010, 08:25:42 AM »
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You have still not answered to the subject of this thread. The Gospel is the same today as it was in the 7th century. How do you explain the verses in the original post?

Gospel is not the same today as it was in the 7th century. The verses in the original post like what i said it refers to the scripture that exist during the 7th century not today.

What century did the Gospel suddenly change in? The 7th century, right after "Allah" told Mohammed that Sura 80.13 (It is) in Books held (greatly) in honour, 14 Exalted (in dignity), kept pure and holy,15 (Written) by the hands of scribes- 16 Honourable and Pious and Just.

Did the Gospel become the EXACT OPPOSITE in the 8th century? The 10th century? The 15th century? The 20th century?

Was "Allah" just that ignorant? Otherwise why else would he instruct of a book that he knew would soon disappear....
Sura 5:47 Let the people of the Gospel judge by what Allah hath revealed therein. If any do fail to judge by (the light of) what Allah hath revealed, they are (no better than) those who rebel.

What century? How did the switch take place?

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Re: THE QURAN ON SCRIPTURE
« Reply #42 on: August 08, 2010, 09:03:05 AM »
After responding to each of the posts above, RELATED TO THIS THREAD, in order .....
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=1704.msg7175#msg7175
..... please then respond to these replies provided to your post on textual criticism of Scripture.
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=97.30

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Re: THE QURAN ON SCRIPTURE
« Reply #43 on: August 08, 2010, 09:09:05 AM »
Who is Yahshua and Jesus? Are they the same?
When the name "Yahshua" translated in other languange become "Jesus".
So when your name Peter translated in other language what would be your name?

The name Yahshua is a transliteration of the original Hebrew name for the Messiah and means "YHWH saves" or "Yahweh saves". Why do you suppose Yahshua's name means that "Yahweh saves"?
Explored more at this link.
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=1728.0

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Re: THE QURAN ON SCRIPTURE
« Reply #44 on: August 08, 2010, 09:27:10 AM »
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Where in the Quran does Mohammed say the Gospel is corrupted?


"Jesus, I will take you back and raise you up to Me and purify you of those who are unbelievers. And I will place the people who follow you above those who are unbelievers until the Day of Resurrection..." (Qur'an, 3:55)

This verse says that Jesus is not dead nor died in the cross. The Gospel say Jesus died and crucified. So the Gospel is opposite of this. So the Gospel is not the same today as it was written at the very first time. So Gospel is now corrupted.

I'm sorry but that verse does not say the Gospel is corrupted. You are making a self-serving false declaration, based on a false presumption, from a false reading of the verse. Find another. We are already well aware that the verses in the original post contradict the Quran. That is not what I am asking for.

Mohammed is saying that Mohammed will put Yahshua's followers, above unbelievers. But what Mohammed decides is irrelevant.
Yahweh's people have followed Him through two covenants, by His 1600 year record through all of the prophets and witnesses, for the last 3500 years.

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Re: THE QURAN ON SCRIPTURE
« Reply #45 on: October 24, 2010, 09:51:20 AM »
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THE QURAN ON SCRIPTURE

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What does the Quran say about the bible? The following suras are from the popular Yusuf Ali English translation. Mohammed was instructed by Allah about where to get his advice if he had doubts:

Sura 10:94 If thou wert in doubt as to what We have revealed unto thee, then ask those who have been reading the Book from before thee: the Truth hath indeed come to thee from thy Lord: so be in no wise of those in doubt.

That verse was written hundreds of years after the bible had been translated into every popular language, and was being read all over the known world. Indeed we have over 5300 partial or complete manuscripts of God�s Word that were penned prior to 300AD.

Sura 5:47 Let the people of the Gospel judge by what Allah hath revealed therein. If any do fail to judge by (the light of) what Allah hath revealed, they are (no better than) those who rebel.

So Christian's are specifically instructed by Mohammed's "Allah" to judge - even Islam - according to what God has revealed to us in the Gospel. Perhaps the most widely quoted verse in the Gospel is:

John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

But the Quran says in surah 4:157 That they said (in boast), "We killed Christ Jesus the son of Mary, the Messenger of Allah";- but they killed him not, nor crucified him, but so it was made to appear to them, and those who differ therein are full of doubts, with no (certain) knowledge, but only conjecture to follow, for of a surety they killed him not:-

WHERE IS THE CONTRADICTION THE BIBLE TALKS OF GIVING AND THE QURAN TALKS ABOUT...."KILLED HIM NOT"

ARE YOU MENTALLY CHALLENGED OR DO YOU NOT KNOW FALSEHOOD FROM TRUTH, HOW DO YOU RALATE ... "GIve his only begotten son the the verse? SO LET ME UNDERSTAND THIS CORRECTLY  GOD (LORD OF THE UNIVERSE CREATOR OF LIFE< GAVE A SON HIS ONLY? (DOES THE BIBLE NOT SPEAK OF SONS OF GOD? < TO BE KILLED BY ROMAN SOLDIERS WHILE HE GOD LOOK ON? THE CONTRLLER AND FASHIONER OF THE UNIVERSE HAS NO POWER TO SHO US BUT BUT THROUGH AN ACT OF GROSS VIOLENCE AGAINST HIS OWN FAMILY? WHAT DOES BETTON MEAN< FATHERED? BUT YOU SAY JESUS IS THE FATHER? SO JESUS FATHERED HIMSELF, SO HOW IS HE HIS OWN SON?????


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In Jesus words from the gospel of Matthew 26:28 For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.

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Re: THE QURAN ON SCRIPTURE
« Reply #46 on: November 02, 2010, 03:38:14 PM »
http://www.islamandthetruth.com/

THE QURAN ON SCRIPTURE

A printable foldable PDF tract of this subject available at this link. More PDF tracts here.

What does the Quran say about the bible? The following suras are from the popular Yusuf Ali English translation. Mohammed was instructed by Allah about where to get his advice if he had doubts:

Sura 10:94 If thou wert in doubt as to what We have revealed unto thee, then ask those who have been reading the Book from before thee: the Truth hath indeed come to thee from thy Lord: so be in no wise of those in doubt.

That verse was written hundreds of years after the bible had been translated into every popular language, and was being read all over the known world. Indeed we have over 5300 partial or complete manuscripts of God's Word that were penned prior to 300AD.

Sura 5:47 Let the people of the Gospel judge by what Allah hath revealed therein. If any do fail to judge by (the light of) what Allah hath revealed, they are (no better than) those who rebel.

So Christian's are specifically instructed by Mohammed's "Allah" to judge - even Islam - according to what God has revealed to us in the Gospel. Perhaps the most widely quoted verse in the Gospel is:

John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

But the Quran says in surah 4:157 That they said (in boast), "We killed Christ Jesus the son of Mary, the Messenger of Allah";- but they killed him not, nor crucified him, but so it was made to appear to them, and those who differ therein are full of doubts, with no (certain) knowledge, but only conjecture to follow, for of a surety they killed him not:-

WHERE IS THE CONTRADICTION THE BIBLE TALKS OF GIVING AND THE QURAN TALKS ABOUT...."KILLED HIM NOT"

It is transparent why you ignored the subject of this thread. Mohammed's alter ego "Allah" telling people of the Gospel to judge by what is revealed therein, and telling Mohammed if he had questions to ask of those before him, when he went ahead created his own laws - even his own sabbath day - just to spite the Jews.
The fact is those verses were from his ambling, more docile, dithering on days in Mecca, before he had his psychotic break and picked up the sword. (order of "revelation")

Regarding the verse you did quote on, it's what makes Mohammedanism the exact opposite of the Gospel which is
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=148.0
all about why God gave His only begotten Son.

John 1:29 The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.
1John 4:10 Herein is love, not that we loved God, but that he loved us, and sent his Son [to be] the propitiation for our sins.
Rom 3:25 Whom God hath set forth [to be] a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;

The witnesses. Reply there after reading the OP not here.
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=1175.0

ARE YOU MENTALLY CHALLENGED OR DO YOU NOT KNOW FALSEHOOD FROM TRUTH, HOW DO YOU RALATE ... "GIve his only begotten son the the verse?

One of 10 such verses. Covered on their own thread. Reply there not here.
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=56.0

SO LET ME UNDERSTAND THIS CORRECTLY  GOD (LORD OF THE UNIVERSE CREATOR OF LIFE< GAVE A SON HIS ONLY? (DOES THE BIBLE NOT SPEAK OF SONS OF GOD?

And one unique Son of God conceived by a virgin by the express will of God. Yet you blaspheme The Messiah, the only person ever born of a virgin by the will of God, by declaring Him just another son of God. Subject covered on it's own thread. Reply there after reading the OP not here.
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=611.0

< TO BE KILLED BY ROMAN SOLDIERS WHILE HE GOD LOOK ON? THE CONTRLLER AND FASHIONER OF THE UNIVERSE HAS NO POWER TO SHO US BUT BUT THROUGH AN ACT OF GROSS VIOLENCE AGAINST HIS OWN FAMILY?

If you repent maybe some day you can ask him the why's.
If you don't repent you will be separated from Him forever.

WHAT DOES BETTON MEAN< FATHERED?

Conceived by a virgin by the express will of YHWH the Father. Reply there after reading the OP not here.
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=610.0

BUT YOU SAY JESUS IS THE FATHER? SO JESUS FATHERED HIMSELF, SO HOW IS HE HIS OWN SON?????

Because that is how this mystery is progressively revealed through the Gospel. Reply there after reading the OP not here.
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=1175.0
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?board=40.0

1Ti 3:16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

I USE UPPER CASE SO AS NOT TO FALL INTO YOUR MISGUIDED TRAP OF MAKING THINGS UPPER CASE TO MISLEAD OTHERS>

Upper or lower case the verses, and their contexts, make the relationship clear. Reply there after reading the OP not here.
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=610.0
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=611.0

In Jesus words from the gospel of Matthew 26:28 For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.

Remission of sin through the blood of Jesus Christ that you reject, because the false Mohammed taught you that remission of sin is achieved by running back and forth between Safa and Marwah the way the pagan Arabian jinn-demon worshipers did.

Hbr 10:29    Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?