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I too was a biology major and in medicine at present, the more I understand about God the more I see His

precision of this creation we are included in.


Awesome is what I just keep returning to when I think He is holding every atom together and the universe too.

Praying for our Muslim brothers and sisters to experience the Creator we know as Yeshua. 

I know Jihad is about killing people, but there is also a "killing of spirit" going on in my work place (and political system, military, schools, personal economic security, etc. of America too).

I am working for 3 Muslims, (one even told me Jesus ran away from the cross and hid himself at Petra), they are really mixed up.

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I was wondering about the Promise of Land God gave to the Jews and after looking at the map I say BACK UP ARABS!!!

Since I know God has kept His promises I say Thank you Lord, and praying for the Arabs to accept their invitation to have eternal life through Yeshua, the Son of God who died as our substitute and sits right now at the right side of God, WOW what a huge gift of Grace.




How Much Land Did God Give Israel in the Abraham Land Covenant?
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Written by tmrfiles on Jan-11-09 1:01pm
From:  filesfromtoni.blogspot.com

Map with land of Israel with borders in red below representing the Royal Land Grant that God gave to Israel through the Abraham Covenant compared to what Israel actually has today in yellow on the map above it.

I wonder what would happen if the Jewish people suddenly woke up and realized they are being cheated out of all the land God has actually given them since the little sliver of land they are now living on is only a fraction of what is promised to them. And even that, the arabs and nations of the world are trying to steal the little fraction shown in yellow on the map, which is now Israel, little by little by waging terror war after war against the Jews and forcing a land for peace deal upon the Jews.

As indicated in an earlier post, this article will address how much land really belongs to the Jewish people; and in the end, a remnant of Jews will have all of what God promised to them in the Abraham Covenant, not just a sliver of land; and the arabs and the nations of the world will be punished severely by God for the way they have treated the Jewish people of Israel and around the world all of these years if they do not repent. So it is declared in the scriptures by God through his prophets,so shall it be.

A land called 'Palestine' did not exist when God made a covenant with Abraham and Abraham's descendants, the Jews, and it does not exist today. The land is called Canaan, now called Israel. Abraham is the first to be called Hebrew, it is noted in Genesis 14:13. There is no such thing as a land of Palestine.

There is much written about Abraham and his descendants, Isaac, Jacob and the Jewish people as it relates to Israel, the land God gave them in Genesis chapter 12, 15,26 and 28 and I suggest you look it up and read about it yourself in the scriptures. For the purpose of this article, I will include the relevant scriptures. Three times God, in the scriptures, made the same covenant to Abraham's descendants the Jews, so there can be no mistake.

In Genesis 12, it is declared by Moses"NOW the Lord had said unto Abram, Get thee out of thy country, and from thy kindred, and from thy father's house, unto a land that I will shew thee": vs. 1 Abram obeyed the Lord, and went into the land of Canaan. vs. 5

God made the Covenant with Abraham, giving him the land of Canaan. "In the same day the LORD made a covenaant with Abraham, saying, Unto thy seed have I given this land, from the river of Egypt unto the great river." Genesis 15:18.

The southern border of Canaan is the river of Egypt, with the northern border being the River Euphrates.

The Lord appeared to Isaac, Abraham's son by Sarah, and who inherited the land promise of God to Abraham, and said: "Sojourn in this land, and I will be with thee, and will bless thee; for unto thee, and unto thy seed, I will give all these countries, and I will perform the oath which I sware unto Abraham thy father"; Genesis 26:3

After Isaac, Isaac's son Jacob, whose name was changed to Israel by God: "And he said, Thy name shall be called no more Jacob, but Israel: for as a prince hast thou power with God and men, and hast prevailed," Genesis 32:28, inherited the land covenant with Abraham as declared by God in Genesis Chapter 28: "I am the LORD God of Abraham thy father, the God of Isaac: the land whereon thou liest, to thee will I give it, and to thy seed".vs. 13

After Moses delivered the Israelites out of Egypt into the promised land of Canaan, God gave specific boundries of Canaan land as declared in Numbers 34:1-2:
AND the LORD spake unto Moses, saying, Command the children of Israel, and say unto them, When ye come into the land of Canaan; this is the land that shall fall unto you for an inheritance, even the land of Canaan with the coasts thereof: 1-2
The Southern border of Canaan Land or Israel:Then your south quarter shall be from the wilderness of Zin along by the coast of Edom, and your south border shall be the outmost coast of the salt sea eastward: vs. 3And your border shall turn from the south to the ascent of Akrabbim, and pass on to Zin: and the going forth thereof shall be from the south to Kadeshbarnea, and shall go on to Hazaraddar, and pass on to Azmon: vs. 4And the border shall fetch a compass from Azmon unto the river of Egypt, and the goings out of it shall be at the sea. vs. 5
The Northern border of Canaan Land or Israel:And this shall be your north border: from the great sea ye shall point out for you mount Hor: From mount Hor ye shallm point out your border unto the the entrance of Hamath; and the goings forth of the border shall be to Zedad: And the border shall go on to Ziphron, and the goings out of it shall be at Hazarenan: this shall be your north border. Numbers 7-9
The Western border of Canaan Land or Israel:And as for the western border, ye shall even have the great sea for a border: this shall be your west border. Numbers 34:6
The Eastern border of Canaan Land or Israel:And ye shall point out your east border from Hazarenan to Shepham: And the coast shall go down from Shepham to Riblah, on the east side of Ain; and the border shall descend, and shall reach unto the side of the sea of Chinereth eastward. And the border shall go down to Jordan, and the goings out of it shall be at the salt sea: this swhall be your land with the coasts thereof round about. Numbers 34:10-12
The Lord further declares in Leviticus 25:23 that "The land shall not be sold for ever: for the land is mine; for ye are strangers and sojourners with me."
A land for peace deal, and chopping up the land of Canaan or Israel that the arabs and nations of the world have done and are now trying to force upon the Jewish people again with Judea and Samaria that they have renamed and dubbed the "West Bank" is completely off limits and God will deal severely with all those involved in the cutting up of His land that He promised to the Jews.

As for the war going on today with the Israelis and the terrorists Hamas who have taken over Gaza, Joshua narrows it down and tells us that Gaza also belongs to Israel, specifically the tribe of Judah.
This is the inheritance of the tribe of the children of Judah according to their families. Joshua 15:20 Ashdod with her towns and her villages, Gaza with her towns and her villages, unto the river of Egypt, and the great sea, and the border thereof: Joshua 15:47.

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Thanks Peter, I am so glad I sensed the tongues stuff wasn't right,

then I also learned what was the reason for it, ie to teach foreign people the gospel when they were in Jerusalem and as a warning to the coming destruction of Jerusalem, this is what I was taught.

Thanks for the welcome too, I am going to keep reading and putting things together.

Thanks, I will review those links too.

So the man of sin will inhabit a believer?  I thought the AOD was the Dome on the Rock, the false prophet was Mohammad and the beasts were America and British, if not please review this again.  And the Antichrist was all the people who are Muslims.

Quote from: Peter on October 21, 2009, 09:59:09 AM

Quote from: resistingrexmundi on October 21, 2009, 09:50:02 AM

Quote4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

One of the things I think many people miss in this verse, and I certainly did for a long time, is that he is showing himself that he is God. It never says this son of perdition shows the world he is God, but that he shows himself. That is the most apt description of those agnostic, freethinkers who believe that they are ultimately in control of everything in there life. They have convinced themselves that they are God. Even if they use different words to describe it that is really what they have done.

The folks that you describe are unregenerate. That man of sin sits in the "temple of God" - the body of regenerate believers.

We do have the Shirley McClain's even declaring themselves "I AM" in a conscious effort to declare themselves to be God, but I'm not so sure they are a fit for this verse.