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Islam - General / Lies about God
« on: November 04, 2008, 02:05:16 AM »
The moderator of this site uses a quote:
Truth can never be told so as to be understood and not be believed. ~ William Blake
And then he goes on to profess: "Jesus was both fully man and fully God at the same time..."
Even the most knowledgeable man on earth can NEVER explain this concept. Jesus himself never said such a thing. Who gave 'Pete' the authority to say such a thing about Jesus? Ask him. But let us take a brief look at this inconceivable postulation.
'Jesus was both fully man and fully god at the same time'
The first beckons of common sense would cause anyone to do a double-take when they hear such a statement. What? How can that be true? How can two be extremely different, but exactly the same? Let us apply a few fool-proof tests to that stupefying theory.
Pete believes in the bible.
-In his bible, it says 'God cannot be tempted by the devil.'
-In his bible, it also says 'Jesus was tempted by the devil'
Question, if Pete is right in his saying that Jesus is fully man and fully god, why is it that Jesus can be tempted?
Analogy: Well Jesus was fully man, and all men are reachable by the devil. God is not...how can you consider them the same? Suppose I show you a car, and I say- its fully operable; then you try to drive it, and it does not work. Then you ask me why it does not, and I tell you its fully inoperable; you will know that I said two very contradictory things- perhaps lied. Either the car operates or it does not. And if I was a salesman at a car lot, you would leave immediately, and accuse me of being sleazy.
If I come selling you bottled water, and you looked at my bottles of water and see that the liquid is orange, and you ask me what happened to it? I say well its pure water. You ask me well why is it orange; I say its pure orange juice. You'll look at me and laugh, then walk away. You wouldn't even believe it was orange juice! I have completely lost credibility with you. Either you would think I am clinically a mental case, or that you were on some kind of hidden-camera pranks.
If I come to you proclaiming that I am the teacher of the class, and you come to class, see me waiting in a seat for the lecturer to show up- either you would think that I am not the teacher of that particular class or that I was lying to you.
When a man goes to a doctor and says 'I am a lady, literally'. The doctor examines his physiology and sees nothing to attest to this, and says, well sir you are not a woman, you're a man. Then he says, yeah, I am bothfully a man and fully a woman at the same time. If the man says this with a serious face, the doctor will put him on psyche meds.
If I come to your stricken home, invite your family to come get a free car from my gallery of new cars; and then you show up to see the cars and then I show you a cabbage plantation, and say see! Pick anyone you want. You and ur loved ones will look at me and say: well this is cabbage, you told us to come for cars. Then I say, well yeah, these are fully cars and fully cabbages at the same time. You and ur loved ones might either beat the sense out of me for wasting your time, or curse at me without limits.
My point is, Pete, your motto is a quote:
Truth can never be told so as to be understood and not be believed. ~ William Blake
How can you reconcile fully god and fully man in the same sentence? How can you reconcile operable and inoperable as the simultaneous description of an object, how can you reconcile dead and alive as describing the same object? How can you compare mortal and immortal as being the same? How can you reconcile the one who farts with the One who is Pure?
How do you reconcile the One who can do Everything as being the one who can do nothing? How do you explain that the one who worships is the one who is supposed to be worshipped?
If the truth is to be told, it will be understood. If you make a simple statement that carries heavy contradictions, how do you make someone understand it? What you do not see however, is that lies cannot be understood as anything other than lies- especially when it is placed beside the truth.
Again, I take this time to invite you to Islam- the Truth. And once you've heard the truth, you'll know it is the truth. Know these things: Even the devil knows that there is One God. The devil knows this. Knowing this, and knowing his punishment- just as real as you know your own name- the devil still chooses to disobey God- even though he had DIRECT orders from God, not through a prophet, not through other angels; but from God Himself. Yet the devil disobeyed. You still have options while you are alive- so that you can correct those things that you have did wrong. You have time left, if God so Wills. So what will you do? Will you keep propagating something that Jesus himself have never taught? Or will you learn from those things strictly that have been directly narrated from the Prophet?
Will you then enter into Islam, seeking to serve Only God, the One Who Created you?
PS- before you make a quote from the bible, be aware that most of the books of the bible have authors that are unknown to everyone alive except God. What I mean is that noone knows who wrote John- though they speculate. Noone knows who wrote Matthew- though they speculate. Noone can say 'the author of Matthew is 'X', born in 'Y', son of 'Z'...etc'. Meaning noone except God knows their identity. If someone is to come to deliver you a message- the first thing you will ask is: who is it from? And if you do not know the sender, then you simply ignore the message. Surely, an important message from someone who knows its importance will include the unmistakeable author of that message.
Peace man.
Truth can never be told so as to be understood and not be believed. ~ William Blake
And then he goes on to profess: "Jesus was both fully man and fully God at the same time..."
Even the most knowledgeable man on earth can NEVER explain this concept. Jesus himself never said such a thing. Who gave 'Pete' the authority to say such a thing about Jesus? Ask him. But let us take a brief look at this inconceivable postulation.
'Jesus was both fully man and fully god at the same time'
The first beckons of common sense would cause anyone to do a double-take when they hear such a statement. What? How can that be true? How can two be extremely different, but exactly the same? Let us apply a few fool-proof tests to that stupefying theory.
Pete believes in the bible.
-In his bible, it says 'God cannot be tempted by the devil.'
-In his bible, it also says 'Jesus was tempted by the devil'
Question, if Pete is right in his saying that Jesus is fully man and fully god, why is it that Jesus can be tempted?
Analogy: Well Jesus was fully man, and all men are reachable by the devil. God is not...how can you consider them the same? Suppose I show you a car, and I say- its fully operable; then you try to drive it, and it does not work. Then you ask me why it does not, and I tell you its fully inoperable; you will know that I said two very contradictory things- perhaps lied. Either the car operates or it does not. And if I was a salesman at a car lot, you would leave immediately, and accuse me of being sleazy.
If I come selling you bottled water, and you looked at my bottles of water and see that the liquid is orange, and you ask me what happened to it? I say well its pure water. You ask me well why is it orange; I say its pure orange juice. You'll look at me and laugh, then walk away. You wouldn't even believe it was orange juice! I have completely lost credibility with you. Either you would think I am clinically a mental case, or that you were on some kind of hidden-camera pranks.
If I come to you proclaiming that I am the teacher of the class, and you come to class, see me waiting in a seat for the lecturer to show up- either you would think that I am not the teacher of that particular class or that I was lying to you.
When a man goes to a doctor and says 'I am a lady, literally'. The doctor examines his physiology and sees nothing to attest to this, and says, well sir you are not a woman, you're a man. Then he says, yeah, I am bothfully a man and fully a woman at the same time. If the man says this with a serious face, the doctor will put him on psyche meds.
If I come to your stricken home, invite your family to come get a free car from my gallery of new cars; and then you show up to see the cars and then I show you a cabbage plantation, and say see! Pick anyone you want. You and ur loved ones will look at me and say: well this is cabbage, you told us to come for cars. Then I say, well yeah, these are fully cars and fully cabbages at the same time. You and ur loved ones might either beat the sense out of me for wasting your time, or curse at me without limits.
My point is, Pete, your motto is a quote:
Truth can never be told so as to be understood and not be believed. ~ William Blake
How can you reconcile fully god and fully man in the same sentence? How can you reconcile operable and inoperable as the simultaneous description of an object, how can you reconcile dead and alive as describing the same object? How can you compare mortal and immortal as being the same? How can you reconcile the one who farts with the One who is Pure?
How do you reconcile the One who can do Everything as being the one who can do nothing? How do you explain that the one who worships is the one who is supposed to be worshipped?
If the truth is to be told, it will be understood. If you make a simple statement that carries heavy contradictions, how do you make someone understand it? What you do not see however, is that lies cannot be understood as anything other than lies- especially when it is placed beside the truth.
Again, I take this time to invite you to Islam- the Truth. And once you've heard the truth, you'll know it is the truth. Know these things: Even the devil knows that there is One God. The devil knows this. Knowing this, and knowing his punishment- just as real as you know your own name- the devil still chooses to disobey God- even though he had DIRECT orders from God, not through a prophet, not through other angels; but from God Himself. Yet the devil disobeyed. You still have options while you are alive- so that you can correct those things that you have did wrong. You have time left, if God so Wills. So what will you do? Will you keep propagating something that Jesus himself have never taught? Or will you learn from those things strictly that have been directly narrated from the Prophet?
Will you then enter into Islam, seeking to serve Only God, the One Who Created you?
PS- before you make a quote from the bible, be aware that most of the books of the bible have authors that are unknown to everyone alive except God. What I mean is that noone knows who wrote John- though they speculate. Noone knows who wrote Matthew- though they speculate. Noone can say 'the author of Matthew is 'X', born in 'Y', son of 'Z'...etc'. Meaning noone except God knows their identity. If someone is to come to deliver you a message- the first thing you will ask is: who is it from? And if you do not know the sender, then you simply ignore the message. Surely, an important message from someone who knows its importance will include the unmistakeable author of that message.
Peace man.