Well this may be a complex topic for you. You see the thing is, even the least educated of Muslims can easily overturn christianity, because the concepts taught in christianity and the concepts in the bible often contradict severely:
- Jesus said 'I was only sent to the Jews' and also advised his disciples to only preach to the Jews. So how christianity came about can only be a bewilderment, as there was no such 'christian' in the lifetime of Jesus.
You are likely brainwashed by deceivers engaged in taqiyyah like Ahmed Deedat
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4D9qHIbnrws when it comes to what you know about the bible. Please quote that portion of scripture to which you refer. If you enter
your quoted into the search box for the King James Version you will find your quote does not exist:
http://www.blueletterbible.org/Christianity came about by the shed blood of Jesus Christ. That is THE SUBJECT of the New Testament and Jesus life on earth. The new covenant that we were given:
Matthew 26:28
For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.Act 13:47
For so hath the Lord commanded us, [saying], I have set thee to be a light of the Gentiles, that thou shouldest be for salvation unto the ends of the earth.Act 28:28
Be it known therefore unto you, that the salvation of God is sent unto the Gentiles, and [that] they will hear it.Rom 11:11
I say then, Have they stumbled that they should fall? God forbid: but [rather] through their fall salvation [is come] unto the Gentiles, for to provoke them to jealousy.Rom 1:16
For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.You can study the above in context here:
http://www.blueletterbible.org/- In the Old Testament, God constantly Profess His Reign and Might, but some parts of the Old testament says that men killed God. Now even the simplest of minds would wonder how a mouse could kill a lion. Now God, whose extent of Power we cannot even fathom, was likened to a man? Killed by extremely puny mortals?
It would help if you quoted that to which you refer.
It should be obvious to you, from your own words, that whatever passage it is to which you refer (likely another
Ahmed Deedat creation) requires more than the "simplest of minds" to understand.
The bible includes metaphorical language, figurative language in dreams and visions, parables and such. Much of it requires understanding through the historical context in which it is written. Much of it confounds a natural man such as yourself:
1Cr 2:14
But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know [them], because they are spiritually discerned.There is a reason Jesus spoke in parables:
Mar 4:11
And he said unto them, Unto you it is given to know the mystery of the kingdom of God: but unto them that are without, all [these] things are done in parables: 12 That seeing they may see, and not perceive; and hearing they may hear, and not understand; lest at any time they should be converted, and [their] sins should be forgiven them.You cannot expect to fully understand the things of the Spirit of God until you repent and become converted.
More than a few Christians make the mistake of believing that one can read a bible and understand it without a little effort (particularly the Old Testament), the way one might understand a child's storybook.
For apologetics it's good to have a couple of handbooks like Halley's Bible Handbook, on hand.
- Christians accomodate for this grossly illogical fact by asserting that 'Jesus came to die for our sins'.
You sound like Mohammed. It isn't about what Christians SAY. It's about what the Word of God says. Like the over
150 verses that declare Jesus to be the Son of God. Mohammed was deluded into believing it is something that Christians SAY:
Surah 9.30
The Jews call 'Uzair a son of God, and the Christians call Christ the Son of God. That is a saying from their mouth; (In this) they but imitate what the Unbelievers of old used to say. God's curse be on them: how they are deluded away from the Truth!But you can see that Mohammed was dead wrong about that. It is the testament of the
Word of God. If he had only been literate he might have read the bible and understand his folly.
Jesus dying on the Cross and resurrection IS THE SUBJECT of the New Testament. Also Old Testament prophecy. You yourself believe He is the promised Messiah, born of a virgin. Here is some prophecy written hundreds of years before Jesus' crucifixion:
Psalms 22:16
For dogs have compassed me: the assembly of the wicked have inclosed me: they pierced my hands and my feet.Psalms 22:18
They part my garments among them, and cast lots upon my vesture. Then it doesn't take long to read in the bible that Jesus prayed and wept all night, asking God to 'pass this cup from me'. Now why would one who understands that his purpose will eventually involve death, be worried and weeping about it, even when he knows that this state of death would last less than three days? And each christian has his own explanation/ opinion about it. God cries about fate? Not even a baby thinks so.
Jesus was fully man when He was on this earth. He was laboring under the weight of the sin of all mankind past and future, as He had been carrying the burden of our sins long before He was made manifest:
Hebrews 9:26
For then must he often have suffered since the foundation of the world: but now once in the end of the world hath he appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself.John 1:1
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 The same was in the beginning with God. 3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. 4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men. 5 And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not. 6 There was a man sent from God, whose name [was] John. 7 The same came for a witness, to bear witness of the Light, that all [men] through him might believe. 8 He was not that Light, but [was sent] to bear witness of that Light. 9 [That] was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world. 10 He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not. 11 He came unto his own, and his own received him not. 12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, [even] to them that believe on his name: 13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God. 14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.In the above John the Apostle makes reference to John the Baptist.
- The discrepancies only become greater: Jesus says 'I and the Father are one"... followed by "The Father is Greater than me".
The "one" is in the neuter. They are of one essence. Of one being. Jesus Christ is a manifestation of God, just as the Spirit of God is a manifestation of God.
1Timothy 3:16
And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.Simple answer is God IS greater than Jesus.
But even the Quran teaches that you can't know the nature of God, or His ways. You are trying to understand God in carnal, fleshly, human terms, as if your human mind were capable of doing so.
Is that what the Quran teaches?
Even you believe in the Spirit of Allah. If Allah had not made himself manifest through his spirit, how would you even know he exists?
Which would make the first statement seem like a metaphor, as Jesus said he spoke in parables, and the latter declaration at face value. This is substantiated by jesus own statements: 'I can of my own do nothing', 'I can only do as my Father tells me to do', 'Of that hour no man knows', 'the people took him as a prophet', Jesus was humble, prayed, was tempted by the devil- as the bible declares that God cannot be tempted by the devil.
That's right. Jesus was fully man while on earth, though He was a perfect, and sinless man.
- The word 'TRINITY' has NEVER occurred in the bible, nor did Jesus ever even mentioned this word not concept in his entire life!
That's right. And I don't care for the term either. Some say 3 persons, which also doesn't occur in the bible and perhaps creates an even bigger barrier for Muslims seeking Jesus Christ.
These DOCTRINES came about in a perhaps feeble effort to try to wrap our human peabrains around the nature of God, and then figure out a way to explain the Godhead, but it likely can't be done.
Rom 11:33
O the depth of the riches both of the wisdom and knowledge of God! how unsearchable [are] his judgments, and his ways past finding out!And it would seem that the way that was selected may not have been the best way to communicate with Muslims. In the comment section of the video on the following link is an interesting debate between two Christians on the subject of the "trinity".
Click Here The person pushing the doctrinal term trinity doesn't seem to have faired too well.
I discuss the subject of the "trinity" on this video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GZvFvObWF7I And on this forum thread:
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=110.0 The term trinity was likely brought into the church by Constantine, though some argue against it. Constantine was responsible for a considerable amount of pagan concepts being brought into what eventually came to be called the "church".
- Christians reconcile the trinity by saying that Jesus commanded the disciples to baptise in the Name of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit. But even baptism is an act of worship! What did Jesus say about worship? 'You shall worship ONLY God'. So in these two statements lies another great contradiction.
No. Baptism is an act of obedience by following what we are commanded to do through God's Word.
You won't admit it but you are already a polytheist.
You believe in God and God's Spirit. Why do you call Jesus "
Ruhullah"?
By the same measure you apply to Christians then, you are polytheist, believing in 2 Gods.
- Christians say that Jesus was perfect human, and perfect God both at the same time. Then why did he say he did not know the Hour?
Because He did not know the day or the hour.
If he was God while he was human? Or was it that he created a portal in himself through which one half could not communicate witht the other. but this concept is not even plausible in sci-fi.
It is the nature of God as He declared it in His Word. That we don't fully understand the "whys" or the "hows" should not surprise us. If you repent, you may be able to ask Him when you get there.
The list of gross inconsistencies, discrepancies, and contradictions keeps building- and the christian tries to explain away each of them. All the while, each has their own explanation, and none of their explanations can be traced back to their authority- the bible.
A list of inconsistencies only builds in those who put their effort into MISunderstanding.
As sad as it is, some come as a result of modern bible versions that are based on a corrupt 19th century Greek text that was written by two spiritualists named Westcott and Hort.
http://www.beholdthebeast.com/new_age_bible_versions.htmWhen you are ready to put your effort into understanding rather than MISunderstanding you can find an introduction to the Gospels here:
http://www.islamandthetruth.com/#gospel_of_johnYou can study the bible at this link with default King James Version (same version Deedat used):
http://www.blueletterbible.org/For more in depth you can check the Textus Receptus Greek/English interlinear, Strong's definitions at this link (but unfortunately it is New King James by default):
http://www.olivetree.com/cgi-bin/EnglishBible.htmThe most important thing for you to understand is that God chose to steadily reveal Himself to mankind in the ways that he did, from mankind's beginnings. The Bible is the record of that revelation that took place over 1600 years through all of the prophets and legions of witnesses.
Does it seem reasonable to you that God would send Mohammed, whose life, and book, describe THE EXACT POLAR OPPOSITE of the bible and the God of the Christians and Jews as a last prophet?
One who engaged in, and whose book describes a god that advances
rape, pillage, plunder,
prostitution, and bloody imperialistic conquest?
Islam is antichrist. The opposite of being in Christ. It denies the absolute and central subject of the New Testament and the purpose of Jesus Christ on earth.
Mohammed wasn't alone. The bible warned us of such: Matthew 7:15
Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.Mohammed even came as a ravening wolf, but you can't see it. Here are some others that can't see because of the strong delusion under which they suffer:
http://www.beholdthebeast.com/traditional_framework.htm#cultsThe 19th century brought us
Mary Baker Eddy - Christian Science
Joseph Smith - LDS Mormon
Charles Taze Russell - Jehovah's Witness
Ellen White - SDA Seventh Day Adventists
John Nelson Darby - dispensationalism futurism
Madame Blavatsky - Theosophical Society - satanist acquaintence of Westcott and Hort
Westcott and Hort - wrote corrupt 19th century minority Greek text that is the basis of the majority of modern bible versions.
United and Oneness Pentecostal Church - several individuals 19th and 20th century
Certainly not limited to the 19th century.
Constantine - Roman Catholicism - 3rd-4th century
Ribera - futurist doctrine creator and seed for Darby's doctrine 16th century
Alcazar - preterist doctrine 17th century
Manuel de Lacunza - middle man between Ribera and Darby 18th century
2Corinthians 11:3
But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ. 4 For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or [if] ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with [him].
It was prophesied:
2 Timothy 4:3-4
For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; 4 And they shall turn away [their] ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.Islam is antichrist and has the distinction of being the only anti-another-religion religion, the only OPPOSITE of a religion, on earth, besides Satanism.