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1. Please list ALL the sources from which you derive the following 6,000 year historical record.
MAKKAH exists because of an instruction by God to Prophet Abraham, to rebuild the first House of worship constructed by the Prophet Adam.

2. What is the whole subject of the Gospel?

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1. The Quran and the Books of Hadith in Arabic in Makkah and Madina,

2, The whole Subkect of the Gospels (good news) that the way and the light is to combine the Jewish law "I have come to fulfill the law" with Love" that is the revelation of the Gospels

Unfortunately Mankind at the time lost this vital opportunity to do just that and distorted the message by focussing on the Divinity of the Messenger insted of the message like you doing right now.

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1. Please list ALL the sources from which you derive the following 6,000 year historical record.
MAKKAH exists because of an instruction by God to Prophet Abraham, to rebuild the first House of worship constructed by the Prophet Adam.

2. What is the whole subject of the Gospel?

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1. The Quran and the Books of Hadith in Arabic in Makkah and Madina,

Exactly! Which is why there is not a shred of historical or archaeological evidence that supports the geographically impossible, unhistorical account, that Muslims cannot designate as other than "tradition". This is because it was in fact all created and put to the pen in the 7th to 10th centuries AD, without reference to any actual historical record from before the 6th century AD, yet it masquerades as 6,000 years of Muhammadan history. A "tradition" that is in direct conflict with the scriptures, in direct conflict with physical geography, in direct conflict with the historical record, and in direct conflict with the archaeological record of THE Holy Land that supports the scriptures.

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1. Please list ALL the sources from which you derive the following 6,000 year historical record.
MAKKAH exists because of an instruction by God to Prophet Abraham, to rebuild the first House of worship constructed by the Prophet Adam.

2. What is the whole subject of the Gospel?

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2, The whole Subkect of the Gospels (good news) that the way and the light is to combine the Jewish law "I have come to fulfill the law" with Love" that is the revelation of the Gospels

That's right. God loved the world so much He gave His Son as a sacrifice, just as Abraham loved God so much he was willing to sacrifice his son, because of His faith and trust in God.

John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

And Jesus fulfilled the law through His crucifixion, death and resurrection.

Leviticus 17:11 For the life of the flesh [is] in the blood: and I have given it to you upon the altar to make an atonement for your souls: for it [is] the blood [that] maketh an atonement for the soul.

Matthew 26:28 For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.

Hbr 10:12 But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God;

Rom 3:25 Whom God hath set forth [to be] a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;

That's the WHOLE SUBJECT of the Gospel. There has not been a single Christian over the last nearly 2,000 years who has denied the crucifixion, death and resurrection and His shed blood that saves all who have faith in Him.
His crucifixion just as prophesied in the Old Testament as detailed on this web page. I uploaded this web page specifically to help Muhammad's followers understand:
http://www.islamandthetruth.com/the_lamb_slain.htm

Even you believe Jesus was lifted to heaven bodily, and so do we.

Act 1:6 When they therefore were come together, they asked of him, saying, Lord, wilt thou at this time restore again the kingdom to Israel? 7 And he said unto them, It is not for you to know the times or the seasons, which the Father hath put in his own power. 8 But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth. 9 And when he had spoken these things, while they beheld, he was taken up; and a cloud received him out of their sight.

All you need to do now is understand the whole purpose of our Messiah, and why He was made manifest to the world.

Unfortunately Mankind at the time lost this vital opportunity to do just that ..........

Not at all. The whole subject of the Gospel remains perfectly intact. Here are the accounts of the crucifixion, death and resurrection of the Messiah:
http://www.islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=1175.0

........ and distorted the message by focussing on the Divinity of the Messenger .........

The divinity of Christ is one of the things that one learns incidentally, while studying the whole subject of the Gospel, which is the crucifixion, death and resurrection of the Messiah.

It has been my experience that Muslims are the ones that focus on the divinity of Christ, in efforts to divert the conversation to run away from the whole subject of the Gospel - the single-most important thing to understand about the Gospel.

I don't believe an understanding of the divinity of Christ is even essential for salvation. Though it would be unwise for someone to outright reject something simply because they don't understand it. That kind of understanding comes over time. Certainly it isn't as important as believing the whole subject of the Gospel, which is the crucifixion, death and resurrection of the Messiah and the blood He shed to save all from sin.

Also recognizing that Jesus is the Son, of God the Father, as proclaimed by hundreds of verses.

2Jo 1:9 Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son.
http://www.islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=611.0

Do you really believe that a good, loving and just God would suggest, that confessing that Jesus is the Son of God, would constitute a sin worse than raping a little child or committing cold-blooded mass murder?

1Jo 4:15 Whosoever shall confess that Jesus is the Son of God, God dwelleth in him, and he in God.

........ insted of the message like you doing right now.

You mean like Muhammad did, over 500 years after the scriptures were closed, when he proclaimed the exact opposite of the whole subject of the Gospel?

Hbr 10:29 Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?

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I started preparing this thread for Jews, from a version of the Tanach from a website of Orthodox Jews, in their forum section. Maybe it will help you see Muj.
http://www.islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=3389.0