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Peter

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Burning the Quran
« on: April 04, 2011, 07:40:04 AM »
[I added this intro on 4-5]
Terry Jones burned 1 Quran, and Muhammad's followers murdered people over it, half a world away.
Meanwhile ALL bibles are effectively burned - that is bibles are restricted or illegal - in 51 countries, but who reports on that? (besides Voice of the Martyrs) Let alone that about 170,000 Christians are martyred every year.
http://www.persecution.com/public/restrictednations.aspx?clickfrom=bWFpbl9tZW51

Is the violence against innocent people, that the recent burning of the Quran, is credited as having been responsible for a surprise? It's obvious that those acts of violence against innocent people had little to do with the burning of the Quran, when not all that long ago 800 cars were burned in France, over a cartoon of Muhammad published in Denmark. Muhammad's true followers with the proclivity to behave in that manner, will do so no matter the excuse, or even without excuse. Indeed non-muslims that suggest the Quran is a holy book - at least after having bothered to investigate Islam's origins and inspiration - are doing Muhammad's followers a far greater disservice.
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=2475.0
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=452.0
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=2461.0

Islam has acted with violence against the non-Islamic world for 1400 years. It's a duty binding on every Muslim, as the fundamentalists that GET ISLAM well understand, and contrary to the peacenick western apostates.

Sura 9.111 Allah hath purchased of the believers their persons and their goods; for theirs (in return) is the garden (of Paradise): they fight in His cause, and slay and are slain: a promise binding on Him in truth, through the Law, the Gospel, and the Qur'an: and who is more faithful to his covenant than Allah? then rejoice in the bargain which ye have concluded: that is the achievement supreme.

That is, of course, a lie in regard to the Gospel, but certainly not the only lie in the Quran.
The Quran has been on trial in this forum for years, and we can judge it from a Christian perspective, through A SINGLE VERSE, without question.
http://www.petewaldo.com/

Surah 4:157 That they said (in boast), "We killed Christ Jesus the son of Mary, the Messenger of Allah";- but they killed him not, nor crucified him, but so it was made to appear to them, and those who differ therein are full of doubts, with no (certain) knowledge, but only conjecture to follow, for of a surety they killed him not:-

Thus in one breath, Muhammad declared the EXACT OPPOSITE of the WHOLE SUBJECT of the Gospel. But Islam revealed as the exact opposite of scripture certainly doesn't end there.

John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

Sura 19:88 They say: "(Allah) Most Gracious has begotten a son!" 89 Indeed ye have put forth a thing most monstrous!

1 John 2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son. 23 Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father:

So the verdict of Islam vs the Gospel is "guilty as charged". The Quran as opposite to the Gospel, as Muhammad was from the Messiah. Let alone Islam's failure to be supported by history, archaeology or geography. While we can't know or declare God's judgment on persons, what does scripture indicate, regarding the sentence on those that follow the false prophet Muhammad's crime against the Gospel?

John 3:36 He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.

The false prophet and his Islamic kingdom "beast". http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=12.0

Rev 20:10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet [are], and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

What about all those that reject the record that God gave us?

1John 5:10 He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son.

Muhammad's defenders follow a predictable pattern, that will never change the truth, revealed through the verses above.
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=2149.0
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We can see that Islamic fundamentalists are simply doing what they are bound to do for Muhammad's alter-ego "Allah".

Sura 8:12 I will instill terror into the hearts of the unbelievers: smite ye above their necks and smite all their finger-tips off them

Lately I increasingly wonder if a lot of their violence isn't driven by jealousy, of the freedom in which non-muslims live. Muslims are indoctrinated into being in bondage to, mandatory performance of mundane repetitive vain rituals multiple times a day, with performance being enforced first by their parents, then by their clan as well as religious leaders, and in some cases even government authority, like in Saudi Arabia or....

AP - December 06, 2006 MOGADISHU, Somalia - "Residents of a southern Somalia town who do not pray five times a day will be beheaded, an Islamic courts official said Wednesday, adding the edict will be implemented in three days."

Their daily routines were, by and large, first practiced by the 2nd century occult cult of the Sabians, whom Muhammad was so deeply involved in, that he mentions right alongside Christians and Jews in the Quran. The locals even referred to him sometimes simply as "the Sabian".
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=2475.0

Just imagine the jealousy that is provoked, when they see Christians basking in the Spirit of God, and enjoying the freedom that can only be found in constant fellowship with Christ Jesus.

John 8:36 If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed.

Since these poor folks are the children of the flesh, rather than the Spirit, they can't even imagine Muhammad's "Allah" fending for himself. Their lives are focused in this world, as opposed to the spirit, and the kingdom of God. That's why Islam has had a 1400 year goal of conquest of the kingdoms of this world, and subjugation of all people on earth, to Muhammad's stand-alone 7th century "religion". The kingdoms that Islam lusts after have been Satan's legal possession ever since Adam's fall.
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=2461.0

Romans 9:7 Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, [are they] all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called. 8 That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these [are] not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.

When someone drew a cartoon of Muhammad, 800 cars of innocent and unrelated people, in a completely unrelated country, were burned and overturned. In this most recent incident innocent people were murdered over a Quran burning. What could be acts more conspicuously driven by the flesh, and eyes focused only on this world, yet with an aim of avenging Muhammad's "Allah"? Criminal attacks perpetrated against innocent people that are completely unknown to their murderers.

But then that also describes the Islamic first Jihad conquest of nearly the whole known world until stopped in France and Austria. As well as the over 17,000 deadly Islamic terror attacks around the world, just since 9-11. The targeting for murder of innocent men, women and children. Like the most recent bus bomb in Israel.
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/

Of course if a Muslim were to burn a bible, Christians are simply called to pray for the poor lost soul, as we are already called to do anyway, because they follow the false prophet Muhammad. We understand that a bible is a physical object made of paper and there is no Spirit in it, but rather the Spirit is what is manifest through the relationship that develops, between the person reading it and God. That is why the bible is banned in 53 countries, that are controlled by Satan, today.

Most importantly, from a Christian perspective we understand that if a Muslim were to burn the bible, that is an act that is purely between Yahweh and the perpetrator. We could take him aside and council him on the things of the Spirit of God, and make an attempt to bring him the Gospel, but that would be the limit of what we are called to do. That's because Christians are specifically not of this world, but in the kingdom of God. The kingdoms of this world have been Satan's legal possession ever since Adam's fall. That's why Islam has lusted after control of them for 1400 years.

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Re: Burning the Quran
« Reply #1 on: April 04, 2011, 09:42:26 AM »
Hi Peter - The Rev. Jones surely knew how some Muslims would react, and sure enough, people got killed in retaliation for his actions. As wrong as these murders were, Jones, with his action of burning the Koran, exposed many people to danger from Muslim fundamentalists = not only the UN workers in Afghanistan, but every Christian minister and missionary in the Middle East and North Africa . Even more moderate Muslims were greatly offended. As Christians, we are to show restraint in matters such as these, and burning a Koran is not showing restraint. His actions may have dealt a severe blow to many Christians' efforts to bring Muslims to a relationship with Christ.

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Re: Burning the Quran
« Reply #2 on: April 04, 2011, 09:44:49 AM »
Hi Peter - The Rev. Jones surely knew how some Muslims would react, and sure enough, people got killed in retaliation for his actions. As wrong as these murders were, Jones, with his action of burning the Koran, exposed many people to danger from Muslim fundamentalists = not only the UN workers in Afghanistan, but every Christian minister and missionary in the Middle East and North Africa . Even more moderate Muslims were greatly offended. As Christians, we are to show restraint in matters such as these, and burning a Koran is not showing restraint. His actions may have dealt a severe blow to many Christians' efforts to bring Muslims to a relationship with Christ.

Unfortunately, what it also accomplished, is making those poor folks even more resistant, to investigating the truth of the Gospel of Jesus Christ.

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Re: Burning the Quran
« Reply #3 on: April 05, 2011, 01:28:45 AM »
I did happen to catch a clip of rev. Jones, being interviewed on CNN by Anderson Cooper. I think it's also on youtube as well, cooper comes down on the rev Jones hard as if he is committing a crime of some sort. When the reverend explains that he has no beef with Muslims but has a serious agenda with ISLAM as a religion, Jones message is a warning to Christians, but just popycock to the majority of North Americans...shame.
These little things will indeed play a big and heavy role in the 2nd coming/Apocalipsi of Christ. The biggest trick Satan will pull off is he doesn't exist. ISLAM is one of the tools that will be used to validate this as when that times comes, multitudes of people will be deceived. Most of these people including the interviewer are what you call "Modern Christians" good for propganda, and publicity just like the pharisees....I can go on and on with this and still get nowhere!

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Re: Burning the Quran
« Reply #4 on: April 05, 2011, 09:05:58 AM »
Sorry guys. Usually I have a couple days to contemplate and shmooze out my original post, but you guys jumped on this right away. A preface later occurred to me, that I thought was important to add to put things into perspective, so I added it to the OP so newcomers to this thread wouldn't miss it.


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Re: Burning the Quran
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