antichrist, Dajjal & spiritual warfare (split from "Love Your Enemies")

[Mujaheed]

Ephesians 6:12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high [places]. 13 Wherefore take unto you the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand. 14 Stand therefore, having your loins girt about with truth, and having on the breastplate of righteousness; 15 And your feet shod with the preparation of the gospel of peace; 16 Above all, taking the shield of faith, wherewith ye shall be able to quench all the fiery darts of the wicked. 17 And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God:

Hbr 4:12 For the word of God [is] quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged  sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and [is] a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.

That's why I implored you to read it my friend.
http://www.islamandthetruth.com/gospel_of_john.htm

John 13:35 By this shall all [men] know that ye are my disciples, if ye have love one to another.

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The Ephesians passages confirm the mission Godly people, (We wrestle.....in high places) means negate the self, the power of the self and the apparent power of the tyrant rulers or wealthy) in other words say Laa There is none worthy of worship, (Take the Amour..) but ALLAH, Equip yourself with faith of belief (emaan) safeguard your belief for the day when you facing evil.

you need to read the the history of Islam properly and you will find that these passages 100% belong to the Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him). You seem to leave out the fact that the muslims were very few in number in the battles and were always outnumbered. Muhammad speaks to the heart of believers and not to their fears of failure as human beings for having sinned.

I have read John and his account of Jesus and the crucifixion, If i rewrite the parts that says son of  (ibn) and put in the right translation from the aramaic it would read abd which means slave of, that would make all the words of jesus true, That the first of the commands is that your Lord God is one (he does not beget) and you must love him with all your heart.

If I am Constantine at the Council of Nicene and have to decide on a translation I would write Son with a capital letter, but neither hebrew nor aramaic have upper case or lower case to indicate respectful terms but have prefixes and suffixes like Ya and him to indicate respectful or plurality. Therefore when I read John I substitute all the Son references with slave of as the entire old testament must have been incorrectly translated or changed over time or everyone is the son or family of GOD,
OUR FATHER who Art in heaven (abbana fe samaa) should read Rabbana fe samaa) O lord in heaven
Hallowed be thy name (similar to bismillah in the name of ALLAH)
Thy Kingdom Come (not the kingdom of the son or the spirit)
Thine will be done.

This Is the Prayer of Jesus to us. and he prayed with the Disciples? He did not Just teach them but he recited the prayer himself indicating that he is not the One to pray to.

In order to make this prayer true one cannot incorrectly assume that John is trying to say that Jesus is GOd or he would have said Just that YOUR LORD GOD JESUS, But that phrase does not exist in the Bible, does it, there are writers who allude and hint and want to misguide others with carefully worded translations that has nothing to do with the disciples or Jesus.

5300 manuscripts greatly vary in topics and translations and many disputes have arisen from the correct interpretation of them, none of them contain the words that say Jesus said I am GOD worship me. That would be emphatic would it not?

So the Translation you asking me to read is not the Scripture of John, John would not write in such a roundabout way about that which he believed to be true and correct.

I can go through the Gospel word for word if you like.

[Peter]

Please reply to posts in order so we can keep the conversation organized. Then I will get to your backwards understanding of the sword, and ignorance of imperialistic Islamic conquest, in the prior post.
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=884.msg7873#msg7873
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=884.msg7874#msg7874

[Mujaheed]

Try it again. Hit the quote button and copy and paste your content after the last

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This sounds like the first 13 years in Makkah, does it not?

Not at all, but I'll indulge you.

All prophets start out with calling to ALLAH in this manner, Non-violent passive resistance, ......

I can't think of a prophet that turned from peaceful to violent. If anything the order would be the reverse. Just as lessons in the revelation of God to mankind progressed, as mankind changed, over those 1600 years of revelation.

"By Mohammed's day, 1,500 years had passed since any Hebrew prophet was described in the Old Testament as using a sword in the service of God. Neither Jeremiah, Ezekiel, Daniel, Micah, Amos, Malachi nor any other later Hebrew prophet is described as using the sword or prescribing its use."
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=935.0

Jesus never changed from peaceful.

Whereas Mohammed started somewhat peacefully, but when he barely made 100 converts over the first 13 years, he then went to Medina, picked up the sword, and came back and "converted" the Quraish through threat of murder. What some might suggest was a psychotic break.
Indeed the Islamic calendar doesn't even start until Mohammed became a murdering conqueror and thief. http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=608.0
This is why all of the later suras that suggest violence against non-muslims, abrogate his earlier more peaceful "revelations", like "no compulsion in religion".
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=116.0

Be careful what you say about Jesus as he is not done on Earth, he is going to come again. What exactly is he going to do. Judge everyone? fight the antichrist, Kill those that are with the antiChrist?
What exactly will Jesus do on his return, Restore the Throne, How?

[Peter]

Try it again. Hit the quote button and copy and paste your content after the last

tag.

This sounds like the first 13 years in Makkah, does it not?

Not at all, but I'll indulge you.

All prophets start out with calling to ALLAH in this manner, Non-violent passive resistance, ......

I can't think of a prophet that turned from peaceful to violent. If anything the order would be the reverse. Just as lessons in the revelation of God to mankind progressed, as mankind changed, over those 1600 years of revelation.

"By Mohammed's day, 1,500 years had passed since any Hebrew prophet was described in the Old Testament as using a sword in the service of God. Neither Jeremiah, Ezekiel, Daniel, Micah, Amos, Malachi nor any other later Hebrew prophet is described as using the sword or prescribing its use."
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=935.0

Jesus never changed from peaceful.

Whereas Mohammed started somewhat peacefully, but when he barely made 100 converts over the first 13 years, he then went to Medina, picked up the sword, and came back and "converted" the Quraish through threat of murder. What some might suggest was a psychotic break.
Indeed the Islamic calendar doesn't even start until Mohammed became a murdering conqueror and thief. http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=608.0
This is why all of the later suras that suggest violence against non-muslims, abrogate his earlier more peaceful "revelations", like "no compulsion in religion".
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=116.0

Be careful what you say about Jesus as he is not done on Earth, he is going to come again. What exactly is he going to do. Judge everyone? fight the antichrist, .......

My friend, the remnant of His people are already engaged in that fight.

1 John 2:22  Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son. 23 Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father:
http://www.beholdthebeast.com/antichrist.htm

Here's Deedat on the subject
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=335.0

......... Kill those that are with the antiChrist?

John 3:36 He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.

What exactly will Jesus do on his return, Restore the Throne, How?

Rev 20:10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet [are], and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

The "beast"
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=12.0
http://www.beholdthebeast.com/the_beast.htm

You reject the Son of the living God, as revealed through the Gospel, to follow Mohammed.
God gave you the free will to choose. Your eternity is determined by your choice.
http://www.historyofmecca.com/
http://www.petewaldo.com/hajj_umrah.htm

[Mujaheed]

Try it again. Hit the quote button and copy and paste your content after the last

tag.

This sounds like the first 13 years in Makkah, does it not?

Not at all, but I'll indulge you.

All prophets start out with calling to ALLAH in this manner, Non-violent passive resistance, ......

I can't think of a prophet that turned from peaceful to violent. If anything the order would be the reverse. Just as lessons in the revelation of God to mankind progressed, as mankind changed, over those 1600 years of revelation.

"By Mohammed's day, 1,500 years had passed since any Hebrew prophet was described in the Old Testament as using a sword in the service of God. Neither Jeremiah, Ezekiel, Daniel, Micah, Amos, Malachi nor any other later Hebrew prophet is described as using the sword or prescribing its use."
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=935.0

Jesus never changed from peaceful.

Whereas Mohammed started somewhat peacefully, but when he barely made 100 converts over the first 13 years, he then went to Medina, picked up the sword, and came back and "converted" the Quraish through threat of murder. What some might suggest was a psychotic break.
Indeed the Islamic calendar doesn't even start until Mohammed became a murdering conqueror and thief. http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=608.0
This is why all of the later suras that suggest violence against non-muslims, abrogate his earlier more peaceful "revelations", like "no compulsion in religion".
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=116.0

Be careful what you say about Jesus as he is not done on Earth, he is going to come again. What exactly is he going to do. Judge everyone? fight the antichrist, .......

My friend, the remnant of His people are already engaged in that fight.

1 John 2:22  Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son. 23 Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father:
http://www.beholdthebeast.com/antichrist.htm

Here's Deedat on the subject
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=335.0

......... Kill those that are with the antiChrist?

John 3:36 He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.

What exactly will Jesus do on his return, Restore the Throne, How?

Rev 20:10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet [are], and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

The "beast"
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=12.0
http://www.beholdthebeast.com/the_beast.htm

You reject the Son of the living God, as revealed through the Gospel, to follow Mohammed.
God gave you the free will to choose. Your eternity is determined by your choice.
http://www.historyofmecca.com/
http://www.petewaldo.com/hajj_umrah.htm

YOU ARE NOT MY ENEMY< I AM NOT OUT TO GET YOU OR KILL YOU OR CURSE YOU OR EVEN ARGUE WITH YOU.
I am here to discuss the truth with you, that is my love, for the truth, I do not care about opinions or popular consensus or the flavour of the day, majority of the human race carries on blissfully unaware of the Creator and the life here after. Many claim to follow but are hypocrites on all sides of the globe. The global religion is money and women and wine and songs, that is what is dominating everything today, From the Holy land to furthest reaches of the globe and we are sitting here trying to convince each other. I am here to tell you that you have been misled and shown how to disobey GOD and Jesus in the worst possible manner.

[Peter]

Try it again. Hit the quote button and copy and paste your content after the last

tag.

This sounds like the first 13 years in Makkah, does it not?

Not at all, but I'll indulge you.

All prophets start out with calling to ALLAH in this manner, Non-violent passive resistance, ......

I can't think of a prophet that turned from peaceful to violent. If anything the order would be the reverse. Just as lessons in the revelation of God to mankind progressed, as mankind changed, over those 1600 years of revelation.

"By Mohammed's day, 1,500 years had passed since any Hebrew prophet was described in the Old Testament as using a sword in the service of God. Neither Jeremiah, Ezekiel, Daniel, Micah, Amos, Malachi nor any other later Hebrew prophet is described as using the sword or prescribing its use."
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=935.0

Jesus never changed from peaceful.

Whereas Mohammed started somewhat peacefully, but when he barely made 100 converts over the first 13 years, he then went to Medina, picked up the sword, and came back and "converted" the Quraish through threat of murder. What some might suggest was a psychotic break.
Indeed the Islamic calendar doesn't even start until Mohammed became a murdering conqueror and thief. http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=608.0
This is why all of the later suras that suggest violence against non-muslims, abrogate his earlier more peaceful "revelations", like "no compulsion in religion".
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=116.0

Be careful what you say about Jesus as he is not done on Earth, he is going to come again. What exactly is he going to do. Judge everyone? fight the antichrist, .......

My friend, the remnant of His people are already engaged in that fight.

1 John 2:22  Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son. 23 Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father:
http://www.beholdthebeast.com/antichrist.htm

Here's Deedat on the subject
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=335.0

......... Kill those that are with the antiChrist?

John 3:36 He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.

What exactly will Jesus do on his return, Restore the Throne, How?

Rev 20:10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet [are], and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

The "beast"
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=12.0
http://www.beholdthebeast.com/the_beast.htm

You reject the Son of the living God, as revealed through the Gospel, to follow Mohammed.
God gave you the free will to choose. Your eternity is determined by your choice.
http://www.historyofmecca.com/
http://www.petewaldo.com/hajj_umrah.htm

YOU ARE NOT MY ENEMY< I AM NOT OUT TO GET YOU OR KILL YOU OR CURSE YOU OR EVEN ARGUE WITH YOU.
I am here to discuss the truth with you, that is my love, for the truth, I do not care about opinions or popular consensus or the flavour of the day, majority of the human race carries on blissfully unaware of the Creator and the life here after. Many claim to follow but are hypocrites on all sides of the globe. The global religion is money and women and wine and songs, that is what is dominating everything today, From the Holy land to furthest reaches of the globe and we are sitting here trying to convince each other. I am here to tell you that you have been misled and shown how to disobey GOD and Jesus in the worst possible manner.

And you are going to show us that by rejecting all of the apostles and witnesses of the Gospel, and the blood that Jesus shed for you, and instead try to convince us that sins can be remitted by walking around the Kaaba seven times, kissing the black stone, running between Safa and Marwah, casting stones and cutting your hair, just as the Arabian pagans before you did, in Mecca.
http://www.petewaldo.com/hajj___umrah.htm#hajj_umrah

Indeed Mohammed's followers joined the pagans shoulder to shoulder up until the year before Mohammed's last Hajj, when it was announced that the pagans were going to be kicked out of their own ritual.

Sahih Bukhari Volume 2, Book 26, Number 689:
    Narrated Abu Huraira:
   In the year prior to the last Hajj of the Prophet when Allahs Apostle made Abu Bakr the leader of the pilgrims, the latter (Abu Bakr) sent me in the company of a group of people to make a public announcement: 'No pagan is allowed to perform Hajj after this year, and no naked person is allowed to perform Tawaf of the Kaba.'
http://www.petewaldo.com/hajj___umrah.htm#tawaf


Why do you suppose the Messiah's name "Yeshua" means "YHWH saves" "rescues" or "delivers"?
Saves who from what? Delivers or rescues who? How?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yeshua_%28name%29#Etymology

[Mujaheed]

And you are going to show us that by rejecting all of the apostles and witnesses of the Gospel, and the blood that Jesus shed for you, and instead try to convince us that sins can be remitted by walking around the Kaaba seven times, kissing the black stone, running between Safa and Marwah, casting stones and cutting your hair.
http://www.petewaldo.com/hajj___umrah.htm#hajj_umrah

Why do you suppose the Messiah's name "Yeshua" means "YHWH saves" "rescues" or "delivers"?
Saves who from what? Delivers or rescues who?

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I  can do nothing, I am a man, a created being, given the choice, I can accept or reject the good grace of ALLAH as revealed through all the Prophets, inviting me (YOUR LORD GOD IS ONE) warning me of the consequences of my actions (be not deceived by adornments of this world) I can read the Scripture and listen to the word of GOD and accept that I am loved by my LORD (RAB) in a manner that I cannot comprehend, I have to learn the laws of GOD in order to direct my actions towards good in order to purify my SOUL (RUH) given to me by ALLAH and I have to return to ALLAH in the pristine condition that it was placed in my body at birth. I have to acknowledge my own mortality and that I will die and be resurrected on the day of Judgement to be given my reward that is with ALLAH or experience severe torment if I have believed incorrectly (misplaced my trust). I live in fear that I am not accepted by ALLAH and in the utmost hope that I am forgiven as ALLAH is most merciful and has not placed a burden on me greater than I can bear.

I do not walk around the Ka'aba for anyones sake but ALLAH I have no need to kiss a stone other than to acknowledge that it comes from heaven and that is where I would like to be, I run between Safa and MArwa in honour of Hagar and Ismael and their hardship in the desert and I celebrate the mercy of ALLAH at the same fountain (ZAM ZAM) the water that was given to her to quench her thirst

NO sect, religion, cult or people of the book understand the mission and purpose of the Prophets like the Muslims do and follow their teachings, Many boast and display and talk loudly and argue about scripture, but the Muslim is required to live scripture.

Islam is the WAY of life of the prophets, not the emotions of and limited intellect of individuals, but the wisdom of the words of ALLAH given to mankind via the Prophets.

Awf bin Maalik narrated:
"The Prophet (saw) said: "The Jews are divided into 71 sects, 1 is in Jannah(heaven) and 70 are in hellfire, , the Christians were divided into 72 sects, …, by the one whose hand my soul is in, My Ummah will be divided into 73 sects, 72 are in hellfire." The Sahaabah asked "who are the saved sect?" he (saw) said: "Al Jama'ah".(the ones whose hearts are united)" [Sunan ibn Majah 3982, Kitaab Al Fitan]

Anas bin Maalik narrated
"The Prophet (saw) said: "the people of bani Israel will be divided into 71 sects, and My Ummah will be divided into 73 sects, ALL are in hellfire, except one, that is Al Jama'ah." [Sunan ibn Majah 3983, Kitaab Al Fitan]

Also see [Musnad Imam Ahmad & Abu Dawood 4597]

[Peter]

Good honest answer. The reason you practice pagan rituals is because Mohammed defended the pagan Arabian rituals he adopted and adapted to his 7th century religion.

Let me ask again.
Why do you suppose the Messiah's name "Yeshua" means "YHWH saves" "rescues" or "delivers"?
Saves who from what? Delivers or rescues who? How?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yeshua_%28name%29#Etymology

[Mujaheed]

http://www.islamandthetruth.com/gospel_of_matthew.htm#matthew_5

Matthew 5.38  Ye have heard that it hath been said, An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth:    39  But I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also.    40  And if any man will sue thee at the law, and take away thy coat, let him have [thy] cloke also.    41  And whosoever shall compel thee to go a mile, go with him twain.    42  Give to him that asketh thee, and from him that would borrow of thee turn not thou away.    43  Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour, and hate thine enemy.   44 But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;   45  That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust.    46  For if ye love them which love you, what reward have ye? do not even the publicans the same?    47  And if ye salute your brethren only, what do ye more [than others]? do not even the publicans so?    48  Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.

http://www.islamandthetruth.com/gospel_of_matthew.htm#matthew_5

Thus we can see that imperialistic conquest and murder of innocents is not of God, particularly when perpetrated by a group of murderous thieves, that is/was masquerading as being of God.

http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/

Sura 8:12 I will instill terror into the hearts of the unbelievers: smite ye above their necks and smite all their finger-tips off them

Perhaps the most consummate terrorist in the history of mankind.

Surah 9.29 Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued. 30 The Jews call 'Uzair a son of Allah, and the Christians call Christ the son of Allah. That is a saying from their mouth; (in this) they but imitate what the unbelievers of old used to say. Allah's curse be on them: how they are deluded away from the Truth!

Sura 9:5  But when the forbidden months are past, then fight and slay the Pagans wherever ye find them, an seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war);...

Sura 9:123  O ye who believe! fight the unbelievers . . .

Do you even read BIBLE PETER
Revelation 19:11-16 (King James Version)

 11And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war. VERY SIMILAR TO THE PROPHETS JOURNEY TO HEAVEN?

 12His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself.

 13And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.

 14And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean. MUSLIM?

 15And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God. STYLE OF MUHAMMAD May ALLAH bestow blessings upon him?

 16And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS.


SMITE THE NATIONS ? what does "smite" mean?

Judge by what is in the BIBLE, it is exactly what the Quran describes in Arabic, leave your own and misguided interpretations and Judge by what is found in the BIBLE not the interpretation of the Church (misguided self appointed experts on god who are themselves GOD-less)

[Peter]

15And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God. STYLE OF MUHAMMAD May ALLAH bestow blessings upon him?

You poor thing. You have been shown that you can't understand the things of the Spirit of God, and yet now you're trying to understand the figurative language of a prophetic vision.

First of all Mohammed was an unregenerate reprobate that murdered innocent folks with a physical sword, then raped their wives, and stole their property. None of which you can reasonably refute.

Secondly, you again misunderstand what the "sword" referenced is, even though it has been shown to you.
http://www.blueletterbible.org/Bible.cfm?b=Eph&c=6&t=KJV#17
http://www.blueletterbible.org/Bible.cfm?b=Hbr&c=4&t=KJV#12

However passages that regard the wrath of God at final judgment, even in the figurative language of a prophetic vision, are nothing to take lightly. That very "sword" will indeed smite those that blaspheme it and reject it.

Rom 1:18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;

John 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

Mat 26:28 For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.

It has all been shown to you. You fully understand. You will not be able to plead ignorance when you stand before our judge. Yet you persist and persist in your blasphemy.

2Pe 2:21 For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known [it], to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them. 22 But it is happened unto them according to the true proverb, The dog [is] turned to his own vomit again; and the sow that was washed to her wallowing in the mire.

16And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS.

See what I mean about blasphemy? You suggesting Mohammed's described by this verse?

SMITE THE NATIONS ? what does "smite" mean?

Judge by what is in the BIBLE, it is exactly what the Quran describes in Arabic, leave your own and misguided interpretations and Judge by what is found in the BIBLE not the interpretation of the Church (misguided self appointed experts on god who are themselves GOD-less)

What you mean is that you wish Jesus Christ was revealed through the Gospel, as a murderous, prisoner raping, child doing, thief, like Mohammed.

But Mohammed was and will remain, as exactly opposite of Jesus Christ, as his 23 year 7th century record is, from the Gospel. Mohammedan Islam is antichrist.

[Peter]

I keep asking you this question in the faint hope that it might help you might see the light. Why don't you try answering it?

Why do you suppose the Messiah's name "Yeshua" (Yahshua) means "YHWH saves" "rescues" or "delivers"?
Saves who from what? Delivers or rescues who? How?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yeshua_%28name%29#Etymology

[Mujaheed]

I keep asking you this question in the faint hope that it might help you might see the light. Why don't you try answering it?

Why do you suppose the Messiah's name "Yeshua" means "YHWH saves" "rescues" or "delivers"?
Saves who from what? Delivers or rescues who? How?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yeshua_%28name%29#Etymology

I know what it means to the world, It means that we will be saved from Dajjal, from blasphemy against ALLAH (THE GOD)

YOU PROBABLY THE MOST IGNORANT DEBATER I HAVE COME ACROSS THAT SEEM TO HAVE ONLY ONE LINE OF ARGUMENT, ATTACK THE PROPHET OF ALLAH< INTERPRET EVENTS ACCORDING TO YOUR MISGUIDED INTELLECT< THERE ARE THOUSANDS OF INCESTUOUS< MURDERESS< RAPIST< SLEEPING WITH PROSTITUTE STORIES IN THE BIBLE< NOT TO MENTION WOMAN ABUSING AND BELITTLING VERSES< WHY DO YOU NEVER MENTION THESE VERSE?

NO WONDER SO MANY FORMER CHRISTIANS ARE NOW ATHEIST, Many in AMERICA ARE THANKFULLY TURNING TO ISLAM< ESPECIALLY FORMER PREACHERS< WHAT QURAN ARE THEY READING?

YOU ACCUSE ME OF NOT BEING ABLE TO UNDERSTAND THE WORKINGS OF THE SPIRIT< ONE WHO BELIEVES IN THE BVIRGIN BIRTH OF JESUS (MAY ALLAH BESTOW PEACE UPON HIM>

YOUR HATRED THAT YOU SPEW BELIES YOUR BELIEFS< HOW CAN SOMEONE THAT PRETENDS TO KNOW THE GOSPELS NOT PRETEND TO LOVE THE CREATION OF GOD? WHO CREATED MANKIND? IN WHOSE IMAGE ARE WE CREATED? AAND WHOM ARE YOU SPEAKING TO WHEN YOU DONT HESITATE TO INSULT ME CALL ME NAMS AND BELITTLE ME< IS THIS THE COMAND OF JESUS?

YOU ARE A DISGRACE TO THE RELIGION OF JESUS AND THE PROPHETS OF GOD<

STICK TO MY QUESTIONS DO NOT REPLACE THEM WITH YOUR STUPIDITY (ASKING STUPID UNFOUNDED BASELESS QUESTIONS) IF I FOLLOW YOUR LOGIC I WOULD BLASPHEME AGAINST ALL THE PROPHETS OF ALLAH (THE GOD)

[Peter]

I keep asking you this question in the faint hope that it might help you might see the light. Why don't you try answering it?

Why do you suppose the Messiah's name "Yeshua" means "YHWH saves" "rescues" or "delivers"?
Saves who from what? Delivers or rescues who? How?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yeshua_%28name%29#Etymology

I know what it means to the world, It means that we will be saved from Dajjal, from blasphemy against ALLAH (THE GOD)

You seem to be suggesting that mankind waited for some 1000 to 1500 years for the Messiah to come, only to have Him come and then go, and now we have waited another 2,000 years - so far - for Him to save us from Mohammed's still-future "Dajjal". Is that what you meant?

[Mujaheed]

I keep asking you this question in the faint hope that it might help you might see the light. Why don't you try answering it?

Why do you suppose the Messiah's name "Yeshua" means "YHWH saves" "rescues" or "delivers"?
Saves who from what? Delivers or rescues who? How?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yeshua_%28name%29#Etymology

I know what it means to the world, It means that we will be saved from Dajjal, from blasphemy against ALLAH (THE GOD)

You seem to be suggesting that mankind waited for some 1000 to 1500 years for the Messiah to come, only to have Him come and then go, and now we have waited another 2,000 years - so far - for Him to save us from Mohammed's still-future "Dajjal". Is that what you meant?

Anti christ (DAJJAL) that is who mankind needs saving from!

who can save us (mankind) from the anti-Christ? Who can tell us the Truth about Prophethood, ALLAH Muhammad and the Anti-christ no-one who else but NABI EESA- Yashua (O Eshua) Iseos in Greek and from english called Jesus son of Mary.

Only the Messiah will come, that is why he has the title Messiah born of Mary peace be upon him, we are waiting for him.

He is appointed and chosen by ALLAH, to correct the misguided beliefs of man as he always has, he will come to fullfill that mission by announcing that "THERE IS NO GOD BUT ALLAH AND MUHAMMAD IS THE MESSENGER OF ALLAH"

[Peter]

I keep asking you this question in the faint hope that it might help you might see the light. Why don't you try answering it?

Why do you suppose the Messiah's name "Yeshua" means "YHWH saves" "rescues" or "delivers"?
Saves who from what? Delivers or rescues who? How?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yeshua_%28name%29#Etymology

I know what it means to the world, It means that we will be saved from Dajjal, from blasphemy against ALLAH (THE GOD)

You seem to be suggesting that mankind waited for some 1000 to 1500 years for the Messiah to come, only to have Him come and then go, and now we have waited another 2,000 years - so far - for Him to save us from Mohammed's still-future "Dajjal". Is that what you meant?

Anti christ (DAJJAL) that is who mankind needs saving from!

"Anti christ ..... is who mankind needs saving from!"
I couldn't agree more. That's why we are doing everything we can to help you overcome that fatal spirit! But satan, through his false prophet Mohammed, made your understanding exactly backwards. He even distracted you into fearing Mohammed's silly, fictitious one-eyed bogeyman, when you should be searching your heart. Satan blinded you.
He blinded much of the "church" through a similar device, into not being able to see what Islam is.

1 John 2:18 Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.

1 John 2:22  Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son. 23 Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father:

The exact opposite of Ahmed Deedat's lies and deception. http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=335.0

There are only 4 verses in scripture that contain the term.
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=624.0

[Mujaheed]

"Anti christ ..... is who mankind needs saving from!"
I couldn't agree more. That's why we are doing everything we can to help you overcome that fatal spirit! But satan, through his false prophet Mohammed, made your understanding exactly backwards. He even distracted you into fearing Mohammed's silly, fictitious one-eyed bogeyman, when you should be searching your heart. Satan blinded you.
He blinded much of the "church" through a similar device, into not being able to see what Islam is.

1 John 2:18 Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.

1 John 2:22  Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son. 23 Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father:

The exact opposite of Ahmed Deedat's lies and deception. http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=335.0

There are only 4 verses in scripture that contain the term.
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=624.0
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PLEASE PETER, I DONT DENY THAT YASHUA (YA EESA) NABI EESA `born of Mary is the Messiah sent by ALLAH (THE GOD) I don't deny any of it, I accept so much more than you can imagine, The Truth about Nabi EESA is wonderful and beatiful and should not be sullied by Pagan interpretations Just as every deviated religion has done, Diefy a human, the Hindus have over 2 million reincarnations of GOD. TAKE OUT THE MITHRA AND OSIRIS PHOLOSOPHIES AND THE PAGAN ROMAN IDEAS OF GOD HAVING AND BEING A SON OF A FATHER AND SPEAKING IN TERMS OF A GOD THAT CAN DIE?
WHO GIVES LIFE and who is the creator?

ALL THE ARCHEOLOGY OF THE SUMERIANS AND NABATEANS AND MAYANS AND EGYPTIANS SPEAK OF GODS WALKING AMONGST THEM!


Free Yourself from this blind ignorance, ALLAH has a huge world out there for you just free yourself from the indoctrination and start reading the QURAN without any preconceived notions. I will help you read it.  be brave, I Read all that people write about GOD, and I pray that it becomes a benefit to me and others.

[Peter]

These verses aren't a matter of my opinion. God isn't about what you wish He is. Nor is God about what a 7th century murdering, child doing, prisoner raping thief said He is, through his preposterously self-serving phony religion. You're literate enough to read and understand those above verses. You have been shown the truth and reject the Son of the Living God, and the love that he expressed for you, through His sacrifice.

John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

You reject the Savior of the world, to die in sin by following THE false prophet Mohammed's antichrist blasphemy, and demonstrably unsupportable 7th century repackaged Arabian paganism.

John 3:36 He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.

You reject the record that God gave of His Son.

1John 5:10 He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son.

You will stand before the Son of God in judgment - without excuse.

John 5:22 For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son:

One must choose.
Between the God of the Jews and Christians, and the 1600 year record that He gave us through all of His prophets and apostles, that His people have followed for 3500 years.
Or Mohammed and his stand-alone 23 year 7th century record.

[Mujaheed]

These verses aren't a matter of my opinion. God isn't about what you wish He is. Nor is God about what a 7th century murdering, child doing, prisoner raping thief said He is, through his preposterously self-serving phony religion. You're literate enough to read and understand those above verses. You have been shown the truth and reject the Son of the Living God, and the love that he expressed for you, through His sacrifice.

I know these are not your words nor the words of any sane person, these are words that have been around as long as Satan has, these are Satans words, judge by what you see in the words, The previous prophets were not commanded to believe in Jesus, They were commanded to say GOD IS ONE, note the words they did not there is only one GOD they are commanded to say GOD IS A SINGLE ENTITY BEYOND OUR UNDERSTANDING AND IMAGINATIONS< BUT CLOSER TO US THAN OUR OWN LIVES.

John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. THESE ARE TRANSLATIONS OF A WORD THAT COULD EASILY BE MISTAKEN FROM SLAVE IBN (SON)  AND ABD (SLAVE) the word begotten lam ya lid wa lam yu lad is not in aramaic and therefore an invention by the Roman and greek writers. HOW ELSE WOULD A PERSON FROM A PAGAN BACKGROUND WRITE THE SCRIPTURE>

THE GOSPELS REJECTED BY THE CHURCH FATHERS (DEAD SEA SCROLLS< THE NAG HAMADI AND OTHERS DO NOT SPEAK OF CRUCIFIXION AND RESURRECTION, as do the the other 20 or so Gospels rejected by THE EMPOROR CONSTANTINE. YOUR ARCHEOLIGIST NEVER DISCUSSES THE ARCHEOLOGY OF THE BIBLE BUT HE HAS TIME TO EXAMINE THE WHOLE OF ARABIA?

ASK RAFAT AMARI TO GIVE YOU THE HISTORY OF THE WAY THE BIBLE (SIMPLY MEANING BOOK) CAME INTO EXISTENCE AND ASK HIM WHO WROTE IT AND HOW MANY SCHOLARS DIFFER ON THE AUTHENTICITY OF PASSAGES

You reject the Savior of the world, to die in sin by following THE false prophet Mohammed's antichrist blasphemy, and demonstrably unsupportable 7th century repackaged Arabian paganism.

John 3:36 He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.

You reject the record that God gave of His Son.

1John 5:10 He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son.

You will stand before the Son of God in judgment - without excuse.

John 5:22 For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son:

One must choose.
Between the God of the Jews and Christians, and the 1600 year record that He gave us through all of His prophets and apostles, that His people have followed for 3500 years.
Or Mohammed and his stand-alone 23 year 7th century record.

[Mujaheed]

These verses aren't a matter of my opinion. God isn't about what you wish He is. Nor is God about what a 7th century murdering, child doing, prisoner raping thief said He is, through his preposterously self-serving phony religion. You're literate enough to read and understand those above verses. You have been shown the truth and reject the Son of the Living God, and the love that he expressed for you, through His sacrifice.

John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

You reject the Savior of the world, to die in sin by following THE false prophet Mohammed's antichrist blasphemy, and demonstrably unsupportable 7th century repackaged Arabian paganism.

John 3:36 He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.

You reject the record that God gave of His Son.

1John 5:10 He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son.

You will stand before the Son of God in judgment - without excuse.

John 5:22 For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son:

One must choose.
Between the God of the Jews and Christians, and the 1600 year record that He gave us through all of His prophets and apostles, that His people have followed for 3500 years.
Or Mohammed and his stand-alone 23 year 7th century record.

YOU ARE THE ONE THAT MUST CHOOSE< I HAVE NOT HEARD ONE JEW SAY THAT GOD HAS A SON THEY CONSIDER THAT THE HIGHEST BLASPHEMY ONE CAN COMMIT, STOP LYING TO YOURSELF

[Peter]

These verses aren't a matter of my opinion. God isn't about what you wish He is. Nor is God about what a 7th century murdering, child doing, prisoner raping thief said He is, through his preposterously self-serving phony religion. You're literate enough to read and understand those above verses. You have been shown the truth and reject the Son of the Living God, and the love that he expressed for you, through His sacrifice.

John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

You reject the Savior of the world, to die in sin by following THE false prophet Mohammed's antichrist blasphemy, and demonstrably unsupportable 7th century repackaged Arabian paganism.

John 3:36 He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.

You reject the record that God gave of His Son.

1John 5:10 He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son.

You will stand before the Son of God in judgment - without excuse.

John 5:22 For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son:

One must choose.
Between the God of the Jews and Christians, and the 1600 year record that He gave us through all of His prophets and apostles, that His people have followed for 3500 years.
Or Mohammed and his stand-alone 23 year 7th century record.

YOU ARE THE ONE THAT MUST CHOOSE< I HAVE NOT HEARD ONE JEW SAY THAT GOD HAS A SON THEY CONSIDER THAT THE HIGHEST BLASPHEMY ONE CAN COMMIT, STOP LYING TO YOURSELF

Some faithful Jews are still waiting for their promised Son.
Isaiah 9:6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=611.0

Faithful Jews have always been saved by the Son. They just haven't realized it.
Hbr 9:26 For then must he often have suffered since the foundation of the world: but now once in the end of the world hath he appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself.

God Himself blinded some Jews to the Gospel
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=1582.0

You are a GENTILE, bowing toward and venerating the same black stone that the pagan moon god worshipers did.
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=1050.0

And since you have been shown the truth of Mohammed's foundationless 7th century repackaged Arabian paganism, you will be judged WITHOUT EXCUSE - in full knowledge of the Gospel.

[Mujaheed]

These verses aren't a matter of my opinion. God isn't about what you wish He is. Nor is God about what a 7th century murdering, child doing, prisoner raping thief said He is, through his preposterously self-serving phony religion. You're literate enough to read and understand those above verses. You have been shown the truth and reject the Son of the Living God, and the love that he expressed for you, through His sacrifice.

John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

You reject the Savior of the world, to die in sin by following THE false prophet Mohammed's antichrist blasphemy, and demonstrably unsupportable 7th century repackaged Arabian paganism.

John 3:36 He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.

You reject the record that God gave of His Son.

1John 5:10 He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son.

You will stand before the Son of God in judgment - without excuse.

John 5:22 For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son:

One must choose.
Between the God of the Jews and Christians, and the 1600 year record that He gave us through all of His prophets and apostles, that His people have followed for 3500 years.
Or Mohammed and his stand-alone 23 year 7th century record.

YOU ARE THE ONE THAT MUST CHOOSE< I HAVE NOT HEARD ONE JEW SAY THAT GOD HAS A SON THEY CONSIDER THAT THE HIGHEST BLASPHEMY ONE CAN COMMIT, STOP LYING TO YOURSELF

Some faithful Jews are still waiting for their promised Son.
Isaiah 9:6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=611.0

Faithful Jews have always been saved by the Son. They just haven't realized it.
Hbr 9:26 For then must he often have suffered since the foundation of the world: but now once in the end of the world hath he appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself.

God Himself blinded some Jews to the Gospel
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=1582.0

You are a GENTILE, bowing toward and venerating the same black stone that the pagan moon god worshipers did.
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=1050.0

And since you have been shown the truth of Mohammed's foundationless 7th century repackaged Arabian paganism, you will be judged WITHOUT EXCUSE - in full knowledge of the Gospel.

Again lies here is what the Jews believe from there own lipsThe Messianic Idea in Judaism

Belief in the eventual coming of the mashiach is a basic and fundamental part of traditional Judaism. It is part of Rambam's 13 Principles of Faith, the minimum requirements of Jewish belief. In the Shemoneh Esrei prayer, recited three times daily, we pray for all of the elements of the coming of the mashiach: ingathering of the exiles; restoration of the religious courts of justice; an end of wickedness, sin and heresy; reward to the righteous; rebuilding of Jerusalem; restoration of the line of King David; and restoration of Temple service.

Modern scholars suggest that the messianic concept was introduced later in the history of Judaism, during the age of the prophets. They note that the messianic concept is not explicitly mentioned anywhere in the Torah (the first five books of the Bible).

However, traditional Judaism maintains that the messianic idea has always been a part of Judaism. The mashiach is not mentioned explicitly in the Torah, because the Torah was written in terms that all people could understand, and the abstract concept of a distant, spiritual, future reward was beyond the comprehension of some people. However, the Torah contains several references to "the End of Days" (acharit ha-yamim), which is the time of the mashiach; thus, the concept of mashiach was known in the most ancient times.

The term "mashiach" literally means "the anointed one," and refers to the ancient practice of anointing kings with oil when they took the throne. The mashiach is the one who will be anointed as king in the End of Days.

The word "mashiach" does not mean "savior." The notion of an innocent, divine or semi-divine being who will sacrifice himself to save us from the consequences of our own sins is a purely Christian concept that has no basis in Jewish thought. Unfortunately, this Christian concept has become so deeply ingrained in the English word "messiah" that this English word can no longer be used to refer to the Jewish concept. The word "mashiach" will be used throughout this page.

Some gentiles have told me that the term "mashiach" is related to the Hebrew term "moshiah" (savior) because they sound similar, but the similarity is not as strong as it appears to one unfamiliar with Hebrew. The Hebrew word "mashiach" comes from the root Mem-Shin-Chet, which means to paint, smear, or annoint. The word "moshiah" comes from the root Yod-Shin-Ayin, which means to help or save. The only letter these roots have in common is Shin, the most common letter in the Hebrew language. The "m" sound at the beginning of the word moshiah (savior) is a common prefix used to turn a verb into a noun. For example, the verb tzavah (to command) becomes mitzvah (commandment). Saying that "mashiach" is related to "moshiah" is a bit like saying that ring is related to surfing because they both end in "ing."


What planet are you on? where do you get your falsified information from?

What is the first commandment upon which all is based,
LAA IELAAH HAILLALLAH (THERE IS NO GOD WORTHY OF WORSHIP EXCEPT ALLAH (AL THE IELAAH_GOD)

IF YOU DISAGREE THEN YOU ARE NOT OF ANY OF THE PROPHETS OR JESUS Peace of ALLAH be upon them

[Peter]

The word "mashiach" does not mean "savior." The notion of an innocent, divine or semi-divine being who will sacrifice himself to save us from the consequences of our own sins is a purely Christian concept that has no basis in Jewish thought.

That is, of course, because some Jews - unlike other Jews since the 1st century - still reject that Jesus is their Messiah. That's why you seek out and find comfort with them now. But you are a Gentile.
The concept that you blaspheme, of course, comes from their own books. Beginning with Abraham and Isaac as the advance "type" of the father-son sacrifice of the new covenant. Let alone the blood of sacrifice on their temple alter for atonement of sin.
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=54.0
Blood sacrifice being a familiar concept (though hopelessly warped) to Muslims as well.

In Old Testament prophecy
Isaiah 53:5 But he [was] wounded for our transgressions, [he was] bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace [was] upon him; and with his stripes we are healed. 6 All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the LORD hath laid on him the iniquity of us all. 7 He was oppressed, and he was afflicted, yet he opened not his mouth: he is brought as a lamb to the slaughter, and as a sheep before her shearers is dumb, so he openeth not his mouth. 8 He was taken from prison and from judgment: and who shall declare his generation? for he was cut off out of the land of the living: for the transgression of my people was he stricken. 9 And he made his grave with the wicked, and with the rich in his death; because he had done no violence, neither [was any] deceit in his mouth. 10 Yet it pleased the LORD to bruise him; he hath put [him] to grief: when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin, he shall see [his] seed, he shall prolong [his] days, and the pleasure of the LORD shall prosper in his hand. 11 He shall see of the travail of his soul, [and] shall be satisfied: by his knowledge shall my righteous servant justify many; for he shall bear their iniquities.

New Testament reference
1Peter 2:21 For even hereunto were ye called: because Christ also suffered for us, leaving us an example, that ye should follow his steps: 22 Who did no sin, neither was guile found in his mouth: 23 Who, when he was reviled, reviled not again; when he suffered, he threatened not; but committed [himself] to him that judgeth righteously: 24 Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed. 25 For ye were as sheep going astray; but are now returned unto the Shepherd and Bishop of your souls.

If some day you ever ask Jesus to help you read and understand the Gospel you will find that prophecy of Isaiah come wonderfully to life for you.
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=1175.0

[Mujaheed]

The word "mashiach" does not mean "savior." The notion of an innocent, divine or semi-divine being who will sacrifice himself to save us from the consequences of our own sins is a purely Christian concept that has no basis in Jewish thought.

That is, of course, because some Jews - unlike other Jews since the 1st century - still reject that Jesus is their Messiah. That's why you seek out and find comfort with them now. But you are a Gentile.
The concept that you blaspheme, of course, comes from their own books. Beginning with Abraham and Isaac as the advance "type" of the father-son sacrifice of the new covenant. Let alone the blood of sacrifice on their temple alter for atonement of sin.
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=54.0
Blood sacrifice being a familiar concept (though hopelessly warped) to Muslims as well.

In Old Testament prophecy
Isaiah 53:5 But he [was] wounded for our transgressions, [he was] bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace [was] upon him; and with his stripes we are healed. 6 All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the LORD hath laid on him the iniquity of us all. 7 He was oppressed, and he was afflicted, yet he opened not his mouth: he is brought as a lamb to the slaughter, and as a sheep before her shearers is dumb, so he openeth not his mouth. 8 He was taken from prison and from judgment: and who shall declare his generation? for he was cut off out of the land of the living: for the transgression of my people was he stricken. 9 And he made his grave with the wicked, and with the rich in his death; because he had done no violence, neither [was any] deceit in his mouth. 10 Yet it pleased the LORD to bruise him; he hath put [him] to grief: when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin, he shall see [his] seed, he shall prolong [his] days, and the pleasure of the LORD shall prosper in his hand. 11 He shall see of the travail of his soul, [and] shall be satisfied: by his knowledge shall my righteous servant justify many; for he shall bear their iniquities.

New Testament reference
1Peter 2:21 For even hereunto were ye called: because Christ also suffered for us, leaving us an example, that ye should follow his steps: 22 Who did no sin, neither was guile found in his mouth: 23 Who, when he was reviled, reviled not again; when he suffered, he threatened not; but committed [himself] to him that judgeth righteously: 24 Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed. 25 For ye were as sheep going astray; but are now returned unto the Shepherd and Bishop of your souls.

If some day you ever ask Jesus to help you read and understand the Gospel you will find that prophecy of Isaiah come wonderfully to life for you.
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=1175.0

Prophesy of Isiah cannot be attributed to Jesus it is written in the past tense as if the event had occured, " he was bruised ? When was Jesus Opressed? and the ambiguity of these passages leaves it open to a host of interpretations the least of which is that someone else can take responsibility for your sins. It is like a child saying you gave birth to me therefore you must suffer for all my wrong doing, you must be flogged, beaten, oppressed, afflicted, this is a terrible way to view your creator, A helpless weak, defenseless prisoner that who made his grave with the wicked (friends of Satan?) and the rich (usually the oppressors and exploiters of the poor and meek)

What are you trying to say, I must feel sorry for the saviour of mankind, what a terrible transgression and inditement against your creator. WHO IS HE, DONT YOU THINK GOD WOULD SAY I if he was GOD.SO GOD CAME DOWN AND ALLOWED ROMAN SOLDIERS TO HAVE THEIR WAY WITH HIM? HOW ABSURD. THESE VERSES ARE CANNOT BE INTERPRETTED THEY WAY YOU DO.

DOES GOD NOT SAY THE PERSON THAT HANGS FROM A TREE IS CURSED?

[Peter]

All you did was admit that you can't see the Messiah for the same reason many Jews at the time couldn't. They were expecting a mighty kingdom ruler too.
And the Messiah is the mightiest kingdom ruler of all time. But you can't see it any more than they could, and for the same reason. You can't see the kingdom of God because you aren't of the Spirit of God.

Regarding your Deedat nonsense "HANGS FROM A TREE IS CURSED"
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=948.0

[Mujaheed]

All you did was admit that you can't see the Messiah for the same reason many Jews at the time couldn't. They were expecting a mighty kingdom ruler too.
And the Messiah is the mightiest kingdom ruler of all time. But you can't see it any more than they could, and for the same reason. You can't see the kingdom of God because you aren't of the Spirit of God.

Regarding your Deedat nonsense "HANGS FROM A TREE IS CURSED"
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=948.0

AGAIN everything that comes from you is lies, This is from Deuteronomy 21;23
 here are all the Bible versions for your read-only participants ( I am speaking to you and stop with your foul mouth calling everyone names That is not the habits of one who claims to follow Jesus

ou must not leave his body on the tree overnight. Be sure to bury him that same day, because anyone who is hung on a tree is under God's curse. You must not desecrate the land the LORD your God is giving you as an inheritance.
New Living Translation (©2007)
the body must not remain hanging from the tree overnight. You must bury the body that same day, for anyone who is hung is cursed in the sight of God. In this way, you will prevent the defilement of the land the LORD your God is giving you as your special possession.

English Standard Version (©2001)
his body shall not remain all night on the tree, but you shall bury him the same day, for a hanged man is cursed by God. You shall not defile your land that the LORD your God is giving you for an inheritance.

New American Standard Bible (©1995)
his corpse shall not hang all night on the tree, but you shall surely bury him on the same day (for he who is hanged is accursed of God), so that you do not defile your land which the LORD your God gives you as an inheritance.

GOD'S WORD® Translation (©1995)
never leave his dead body hung on a pole overnight. Be sure to bury him that same day, because anyone whose body is hung on a pole is cursed by God. The land that the LORD your God is giving you must never become unclean.

King James Bible
His body shall not remain all night upon the tree, but thou shalt in any wise bury him that day; (for he that is hanged [is] accursed of God;) that thy land be not defiled, which the LORD thy God giveth thee [for] an inheritance.

American King James Version
His body shall not remain all night on the tree, but you shall in any wise bury him that day; (for he that is hanged is accursed of God;) that your land be not defiled, which the LORD your God gives you for an inheritance.

American Standard Version
his body shall not remain all night upon the tree, but thou shalt surely bury him the same day; for he that is hanged is accursed of God; that thou defile not thy land which Jehovah thy God giveth thee for an inheritance.

Bible in Basic English
Do not let his body be on the tree all night, but put it to rest in the earth the same day; for the man who undergoes hanging is cursed by God; so do not make unclean the land which the Lord your God is giving you for your heritage.

Douay-Rheims Bible
His body shall not remain upon the tree, but shall be buried the same day: for he is accursed of God that hangeth on a tree: and thou shalt not defile thy land, which the Lord thy God shall give thee in possession.

Darby Bible Translation
his body shall not remain all night upon the tree, but thou shalt in any wise bury him that day (for he that is hanged is a curse of God); and thou shalt not defile thy land, which Jehovah thy God giveth thee for an inheritance.

English Revised Version
his body shall not remain all night upon the tree, but thou shalt surely bury him the same day; for he that is hanged is accursed of God; that thou defile not thy land which the LORD thy God giveth thee for an inheritance.

Webster's Bible Translation
His body shall not remain all night upon the tree, but thou shalt in any wise bury him that day; (for he that is hanged is accursed of God;) that thy land may not be defiled, which the LORD thy God giveth thee for an inheritance.

World English Bible
his body shall not remain all night on the tree, but you shall surely bury him the same day; for he who is hanged is accursed of God; that you don't defile your land which Yahweh your God gives you for an inheritance.

Young's Literal Translation
his corpse doth not remain on the tree, for thou dost certainly bury him in that day -- for a thing lightly esteemed of God is the hanged one -- and thou dost not defile thy ground which Jehovah thy God is giving to thee -- an inheritance.