No i am not drudging anyone , Deedat May Allah bless him is Greator than you . And surely i watch his debate with Christians
Lol . The Comoforter is Mohamed PEACE BE UPON HIM and again Caomforter is also an english word , jesus , Peter is Greek , Pual is Greek . I have some doubt too , but still why he will do that , it does not make any difference if Mohamed was said in Armemine , the lanuage if Jesus peace be upon him . if you watch careful you will hear , that he was saying it when was speaking about the "Comforter " . So are you saying the Holy Spirit he name called The most praised when transleted to english . If so, then you solved what Muslims and Christian were aruging about .
Your opinion of Deedat is of no relevance to me. He was a liar who made up his own verse by adding words to Scripture to keep his Bible ignorant minions in the dark. And I have already told you it doesn't matter what was said in a MOVIE because that is what it was. A MOVIE.
The translator (Abdul Hamid Siddiqi) of Sahih Muslim notes that this is in reference to the 'Comforter' that Jesus spoke of.
In the Sirat Rasulallah, the earliest extant biography of Muhammad written by Ibn Ishaq, a specific claim is made asserting that Muhammad is the Comforter. On pages 103 and 104 of Guillaume's translation (The Life of Muhammad), the alleged prediction is described. Ishaq's work mis-quotes the New Testament and takes it out of context, and references several non-biblical works in his support as proof. Below is part of the quote from “The Life of Muhammadâ€, pages 103, 104: [4]
Among the things which have reached me about what Jesus the Son of Mary stated in the Gospel which he received from God for the followers of the Gospel, in applying a term to describe the apostle of God, is the following. It is extracted from what John the Apostle set down for them when he wrote the Gospel for them from the Testament of Jesus Son of Mary: ...â€But when the Comforter has come whom God will send to you from the Lord’s presence, and the spirit of truth which will have gone forth form the Lord’s presence he (shall bear) witness of me and ye also, because ye have been with me from the beginning. I have spoken unto you about this that ye should not be in doubt.†The Munahhemana (God bless and preserve him!) in Syriac is Muhammad: in Greek he is the paraclete.
Guillaume notes that,
“The passage quoted is John 15:23ff. It is interesting to note that the citation comes from the Palestinian Syriac Lectionary and not from the ordinary Bible of the Syriac-speaking Churches. …The most interesting word is that rendered “Comforter†which we find in the Palestinian Lectionary, but all other Syriac versions render “paracleteâ€, following the Greek. This word was well established in the Hebrew and Aramaic speaking world. The menahhemana in Syriac means the lifegiver and especially one who raises from the dead. Obviously such a meaning is out of place here and what is meant is one who consoles and comforts people for the loss of one dear to them. This is the meaning in the Talmud and Targum. It ought to be pointed out that by the omission of the words “that is written†before “in the law†quite another meaning is given to the prophecy. The natural rendering would be “the word that concerns the Namus must be fulfilledâ€.
Guillaume is stating that the Ibn Ishaq quote is corrupted, i.e. inaccurate or tampered with. Ibn Ishaq recorded versions of history that he heard from sources he assumed to have some degree of reliability. However, they could have been mistaken or Ibn Ishaq could have altered the material to fit his understanding. Additionally, Ibn Ishaq often records conflicting versions of historical events. He would record historical information that he himself disagreed with, or doubted, in order to record plausible historic options.
First, let the New Testament texts speak for themselves. They clearly state that the Comforter is the Holy Spirit. There is no ambiguity about this. Consequently Muhammad is not the Comforter based upon what the Bible explicitly states.
Second let us take the context of the texts into account. If you are going to understand any passage of Scripture you must understand its context. When Jesus spoke these words in John it was His last ministerial time with His disciples prior to His death, crucifixion, and resurrection. Jesus is being very intimate with them. Understand then, when he speaks to them He is including them – these very disciples, specifically. These are the men He knew best and loved; they were His friends. These were His final words to them, and He wanted them to know what was in store.
Therefore, knowing that these passages of John are being spoken intimately between Jesus and His disciples there are several key points we can discover concerning the Comforter and His relationship with Jesus’ disciples.
John 14:16 — And I will ask the Father and He will give you another Comforter to be with you forever - the Spirit of Truth.
The Comforter will be with these disciples forever. Jesus promised the Comforter would be with these disciples forever. Muhammad could not be the Comforter because he wasn't born until over 500 years later - following the deaths of these disciples. He was born around 570 and died around 632 AD.
John 14:17 — But you know him for he lives with you and will be in you.
The Comforter lives with the disciples already now and will later be 'in' them. The Holy Spirit came to the disciples and indwelt them. Muhammad could not be the Comforter because first he wasn't around at the time when Jesus was speaking to his disciples nor second could he ever be in any of the disciples. The Greek word is 'en', and it means 'right inside'. Jesus is saying that the Comforter will be 'right inside' of the disciples.
John 14:26 — The Comforter is specifically described as the Holy Spirit. The Comforter is not a man. Muhammad could not be the Comforter because he was never the Holy Spirit.
John 14:26 — The Comforter will be sent in Jesus' name. The Holy Spirit represented the Lord on earth. No Muslim believes that Muhammad was sent by God in Jesus name. Muhammad did not come in Jesus' name, as the apostle of Jesus, rather he came in his own name with his own questionable “revelationsâ€.
John 14:26 — But the Comforter, the Holy Spirit whom the Father will send in my name, will teach you all things and will remind you of everything I have said to you."
The Comforter will teach these disciples and remind them of what Christ said to them. As the early Christians grew the Holy Spirit taught them. Muhammad is not the Comforter because he never knew the disciples and he didn't teach these disciples, and Muhammad never reminded the disciples of what Christ said.
John 15:26 — When the Comforter comes, whom I will send to you from the Father, the Spirit of truth who goes out from the Father, he will testify about me.
The Comforter would be sent to these disciples. These disciples received the Holy Spirit on the day of Pentecost. Muhammad was never sent to these disciples.
John 16:13 — But when he, the Spirit of Truth comes, he will guide you into all truth.
The Comforter will guide these disciples into all truth. These disciples (and others) grew in the knowledge of God through the revelations from the Holy Spirit. Muhammad never guided these disciples into any truth.
John 16:13 — He will not speak on his own, he will speak only what he hears, and he will tell you what is yet to come.
The Comforter will speak to these disciples. These disciples grew to know the leading of the Holy Spirit, i.e. they knew His voice. Muhammad never spoke to these disciples.
John 16:14 — He will bring glory to me by taking from what is mine and making it known to you. All that belongs to the Father is mine. That is why I said the Spirit will take from what is mine and make it known to you.
The Comforter will take from Jesus and make it known to the disciples. Muhammad never knew Jesus and never took from Jesus and made it known to anyone.
The context of these passages shows clearly that Muhammad could not be the Comforter. Jesus was not speaking of another person to come at a later date. Jesus’ precious final words to His disciples were meant for them. Jesus was not merely preaching a sermon to be analyzed and intellectually talked about through the centuries, rather, He was giving His the disciples with Him there His final commands, love, and encouragement.
Here's a question for you to consider: In Islamic theology, Muhammad rendered Jesus’ message fulfilled or ended because Muhammad brought God’s latest message to the people. Muhammad expected that true believers in God would accept Islam. Therefore, if Jesus was foretelling Muhammad, wouldn’t Jesus be prophesying that his ministry will be rendered void by the Paraclete? Read the context of the passages and decide.
Further, to fulfill exactly what Jesus foretold concerning the Comforter and His relationship with the disciples, the New Testament records the fulfillment of the coming of the Holy Spirit and the disciples receiving Him. The disciples received the Comforter - the Holy Spirit, on the day of Pentecost in Acts 2:3, 4. The Comforter was now “in†the disciples and He remained “in†them from then on and taught them — just as Jesus had said He would.
THE EARLY CHURCH’S VIEW OF THE COMFORTER
The writings of the early Church Fathers also mention the Comforter, or Paraclete. Below are some of their statements on His identity. These early Church Fathers lived during the first 3 centuries of Christianity.
Note: Quotes are taken from “The Ante-Nicene Fathers†edited by Rev. Alexander Roberts and James Donaldson, AGES Software, Albany, Oregon© 1996, 1997 [5]
THE EPISTLE OF IGNATIUS TO THE PHILIPPIANS
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“What is His name, or what His Son’s name, that we may know?†And there is also one Paraclete. For “there is also,†saith [the Scripture], “one Spirit,†since “we have been called in one hope of our calling.†And again, “We have drunk of one Spirit,†with what follows. And it is manifest that all these gifts [possessed by believers] “worketh one and the self-same Spirit.†There are not then either three Fathers, or three Sons, or three Paracletes, but one Father, and one Son, and one Paraclete.
FRAGMENTS OF CLEMENS ALEXANDRINUS
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The old things which were done by the prophets and escape the observation of most, are now revealed to you by the evangelists. “For to you,†he says, “they are manifested by the Holy Ghost, who was sent;†that is the Paraclete, of whom the Lord said, “If I go not away, He will not come.â€
TERTULLIAN AGAINST PRAXEAS;
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He will come to judge the quick and the dead; who sent also from heaven from the Father, according to His own promise, the Holy Ghost, the Paraclete, the sanctifier of the faith of those who believe in the Father, and in the Son, and in the Holy Ghost.
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Happily the Lord Himself employs this expression of the person of the Paraclete, so as to signify not a division or severance, but a disposition (of mutual relations in the Godhead); for He says, “I will pray the Father, and He shall send you another Comforter ... even the Spirit of truth,â€
ORIGEN DE PRINCIPIIS, BOOK 2, CHAPTER 7
ON THE HOLY SPIRIT
It is time, then, that we say a few words to the best of our ability regarding the Holy Spirit, whom our Lord and Savior in the Gospel according to John has named the Paraclete.
We must therefore know that the Paraclete is the Holy Spirit, who teaches truths ...
But the Paraclete, who is called the Holy Spirit, ...
In the case of the Holy Spirit, the Paraclete ...
Above are the statements of 4 of the Ante-Nicene Church Fathers. They state that the Comforter is the Holy Spirit. From the time of Jesus through the history of the early church the early Christians believed that the Comforter was the Holy Spirit. There was no confusion or uncertainty on their part regarding the identity of the Comforter.
QUESTIONS AND ASSERTIONS ABOUT THE COMFORTER
There exist some very good questions concerning the Comforter and these need to be answered. Also, there are some Muslim assertions that bear a closer examination. I will try to answer the questions, and assess the assertions.
1) QUESTION ON WHO JESUS MEANT BY “YOU†WHEN ADDRESSING THE DISCIPLES REGARDING THE COMFORTER
QUESTION:
Moses, Jesus, and Muhammad used to say 'you' to their followers but really it was a general expression for those who follow their teachings. For example, Jesus told his followers that they would see him coming back to the earth and all of them have since died. Couldn't Jesus have meant the disciples in general, specifically the future ones, when speaking about the Comforter?
ANSWER:
Examine John chapters 13 through 17. This was the time when Christ was alone with His disciples. His actions and dialog with them were very personal. He washed their feet, predicted His betrayal, comforted them, foretold the coming of the "Comforter", taught them about 'abiding' in Him, foretold tribulation for them, and said a most intimate prayer (chapter 17) for them and Himself. If you review all of this, you will see that Jesus was not speaking in a general term of 'you', to the possible exclusion of these men, but at the very least He was speaking to those with Him — His disciples. And later on they experienced what Jesus foretold — they “received†the Comforter.
I encourage all Muslims to read John chapters 13 through 17. Be sincere in your reading, ask God to guide you. You will see that Jesus was speaking very dearly to His disciples.
