Impressions of England from a friend of our ministry.

[Peter]

The following were excerpted from PMs of a friend on YouTube.

As for me I remember a childhood pride in the Crusades (such manner of pride was still taught in England circa 1990) and viewed them as one of those rare outbursts of Romantic heroism. Were I better trained I would make a formal case for them as exemplers of proto-democracy versus tyranny.

In High School in America just two years later we were taught shame in the crusades. In U.S. University much later we were taught acute shame in the crusades.

I never baught it. Not seriously anyway.

Then suddenly I wound up in an apartment in London in 2000-2006. There were lots of Muslims in that area, perhaps 30-60% of everyone I'd see on the streets was Islamic.

The area just five years previously had very few Muslims about.

Everyday I would have to tolerate glances of hatred, head-turns of a strange angry rendition of modesty (I saw a few kind head-turns of modesty too so I know the difference). Everyday on the streets for six years I endured angry body language from Muslims...and in other areas of London besides that one.

Once I stepped into an Islamic Bookstore which obviously had many books in English. In there the manager and customers all stared at me in the way Nazi Germans would have stared at a Jew wearing a marker badge...I did not spend long in that store.

I knew nothing about Islam and in the very beginning in the year 2000 before Sep. 11 2001, and before the subsequent five years of conspicuous social tension, I had already turned against those people.

With no education I came to know what those people were really like.(We must recognize exceptions but a worrying number will infact behave as I have desribed.)

[Peter]

I'm still searching for the one in between.

[Peter]

I said:

On that subject I would like to post the two sections (without disclosing your ID) in which you wrote about your perceptions of Muslims in your neighborhood in our general discussion section (unless you would like to log on and post it!). I think it would provide valuable insight for those of us that don't live around English Muslims. If you did it you could keep extending the thread with "what happened to me recently" stuff if additional things come up or occur to you..

He replied:


Dear Brother Pete,

Feel free to use as many direct quotes/paraphrase from my posts as you like. If I understand that is what you were asking (excuse me, I'm a bit rushed now..)

I will take a few minutes to add one more thing: one more incident. You don't have to include it anywhere, its just FYI (For Your Information). If want to use it fine, but you don't have to. Its just an incident I want to relate.

I once stepped on a London bus which was, as typically, filled with a few uptight looking Muslim men and women. I was sitting nowhere near them and there was an empty seat next me. The bus stopped and a Muslim man in a black turban stepped in and sat next to me. He looked extremely stiff and militant like an army General.

He started pushing my leg to the side. I was not in his space AT ALL, I was quite aware of my body at the time.

He kept pushing and pushing all the while looking forward (not at me) as tho to pretend he was acting normal.

This felt like a dangerous situation so I placed my right leg close to my left leg and he stopped.

(...Did he read this as 'submission'? Very creepy.)

That is the last thing I have to add. Once again its primarily Four Your Information, but if you want to add it fine.

:-)

Peace & Blessings,

[Peter]

Here's another

http://amilimani.com/2011/11/the-fraud-of-islam/#comment-23371

Craig (UK) says:
January 18, 2012 at 2:50 pm

GM said…’It’s sad to contemplate that for our NATO allies it may already be too late: i.e., Great Britain, France, Germany. No more compromises, no surrender.’

I agree in part GM. We in the UK have all but lost the majority of our major cities to Islam, because of political correctness, and the prior Labour Party governments failed social engineering experiment. The Consevatives are now in power and promised to curb immigration, but last year saw the highest inward immigration from non-EU countries ever. These imigrants are largely muslims and come from the Yemen, Pakistan, Somalia, Nigeria, and Bangladesh. It only takes one asylum seeker from any of these countries to aquire naturalisation or/and a UK passport and they then go on to bring whole families (20+ people) over and more through what we now know as “fetching marriages”: Google it for more info.

Nevertheless, people are beginning to wake up to the lies of enrichment and high immigration. Many people, and not just the indigenous Brits, are starting to get scared of the PCocracy tha has taken over common sense and logic in our homeland. the UK has a recent history of happily accepting cultural change, me included, but when it comes to the realistic prospect of becoming an Islamic nation in the next twenty or so years, then it worries people. Immigration is one thing but colonisation is totally another and we’re waking up to the possibility of this in our lifetime. I assure you and others that we will not take this lying down. Feelings are starting to be made known and emotions and tensions are rising as the threat becomes real.

The UK will never become an Islamic state or enclave.

By the way, Amils article is as ever very true and thought provoking. I hope the Iranian people are able to eventually overcome and subdue their Islamic oppressors soon.

[apollodorus]

Brother Pete,

PLEASE seek permission to upload a mirror (I believe that's the term) of this video on your channel:

YOUTUBE:
Why muslims hate dogs.
Uploaded by RebeccaFS1982 on Oct 3, 2008
watch?v=Bu-c3kIE_u8

Thank you. Let me know what you're going to do.

This is the single mirror video I will request you make IF you feel comfortable and get permission for RebeccaFS1982.

Thank you again, I don't want to trouble you.

ATTN: If the shorthand of the link above does NOT work please let me know immiediately.

Peace,

apollodorus

[apollodorus]

My respectful apologies to the readers. Here is the direct link.
You can erase this post and just post it below the shorthand version link (on Google Chrome they can use both...I'm still new to it!)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bu-c3kIE_u8

[Peter]

Brother Pete,

PLEASE seek permission to upload a mirror (I believe that's the term) of this video on your channel:

YOUTUBE:
Why muslims hate dogs.
Uploaded by RebeccaFS1982 on Oct 3, 2008
watch?v=Bu-c3kIE_u8

Thank you. Let me know what you're going to do.

When you mentioned the subject before I put a note in our persecution section.
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=2967.0

This is the single mirror video I will request you make IF you feel comfortable and get permission for RebeccaFS1982.

Actually if you go to the dropdown menu she credits
Dangelooo http://www.youtube.com/user/Dangelooo

But if you go to his channel you will find "This account has been terminated due to repeated or severe violations of our Community Guidelines and/or claims of copyright infringement."

The Christian Arab whose voice is in the video goes by the handle "Christian Prince" and is pretty popular in PalTalk, and I am pretty sure he doesn't mind, even encourages, people to download and upload his stuff. Here's his YouTube channel
http://www.youtube.com/user/allahalegg/
Radio Show
http://www.spreaker.com/show/debatetv_investigateislam
I encourage folks to download and upload my videos as well.
They will probably kicked him off of YouTube the way they did Ahmedsquran3, which was a highly informative site that Muslims hated. Still some lingering downloader/uploaders click here
I know you are welcome to download and upload all those black videos. They are actually audio files with a picture so the files are tiny and download and upload quickly.
Here's a couple of examples that I downloaded and uploaded:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MG1MiLqH0jc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aza63eHks8s
Here's his website http://inthenameofallah.org/

Thank you again, I don't want to trouble you.

ATTN: If the shorthand of the link above does NOT work please let me know immiediately.

Peace,

apollodorus

[apollodorus]

Well, by "your channel" I should clarify that I meant exclusively your Zippcast.com channel when the site makes it easier to upload material.  Zippcast is the new YouTube because like the old YouTube it allows users to artistically design and structure their channel in the specific way they want, including background images, voluminious profile descriptions etcetera. It is Feb. 27 2012 now and if YouTube does not decide to reverse its policy to destroy the user then Zippcast along with other brand-new pro-user sites will replace it. Dailymotion.com stinks and is not user friendly. Its like a backwater of video piles without free oldstyle YouTube user options.
Right now the only Muslim material on Zippcast is "isn't wonderful to be Muslim" and "cool new Arab pop song" trifle , but pretty soon there will be jihad and brainwash targeting Christians and Secular/"Pagan" culture in the West.  There will need to be enough Skeptic and Christian videos up in time to counter the brainwash.
So my only idea for a mirror video was of a truly meaningful one: on Zippcast.com where it would really count.

[Peter]

Well, by "your channel" I should clarify that I meant exclusively your Zippcast.com channel when the site makes it easier to upload material.  Zippcast is the new YouTube because like the old YouTube it allows users to artistically design and structure their channel in the specific way they want, including background images, voluminious profile descriptions etcetera. It is Feb. 27 2012 now and if YouTube does not decide to reverse its policy to destroy the user then Zippcast along with other brand-new pro-user sites will replace it. Dailymotion.com stinks and is not user friendly. Its like a backwater of video piles without free oldstyle YouTube user options.
Right now the only Muslim material on Zippcast is "isn't wonderful to be Muslim" and "cool new Arab pop song" trifle , but pretty soon there will be jihad and brainwash targeting Christians and Secular/"Pagan" culture in the West.  There will need to be enough Skeptic and Christian videos up in time to counter the brainwash.
So my only idea for a mirror video was of a truly meaningful one: on Zippcast.com where it would really count.

I just tried uploading again a few minutes ago, and the site maintenance warning came up as it did all day. There is no problem with you downloading and uploading that video as far as the original author is concerned. You could ask him here
http://www.youtube.com/user/allahalegg/
and I'm sure he'd be happy and encouraged, to hear from you.

[apollodorus]

I'm not sure where to put this so I'll put it here.

Via Yahoo: "...a state judge in Pennsylvania threw out an assault case involving a Muslim attacking an atheist for insulting the Prophet Muhammad. Judge Mark Martin, an Iraq war veteran, threw the case out after ruling that there was insufficient evidence. But then he berated the plaintiff in what appears to be an invocation of Sharia law. The incident occurred at the Mechanicsburg, Pa., Halloween parade where Ernie Perce, an atheist activist, marched as a zombie Muhammad. Talaag Elbayomy, a Muslim, was accused of attacking Perce...".* Ana Kasparian and Cenk Uygur discuss on The Young Turks.

This is the YouTube video:
User: TheYoungTurks
Video: Muslim Attacks Atheist For Insulting Muhammad?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dmPJaY3N4aQ

Americans need to get off their sofas, soda pops, brain-killing convenience dinners and "ball-games" get out of  their television-distraction worship and false fantasies, get to know their neighbours and make a stand for America for what I love: Western Culture for the entire World! This toxic lassitude would never have existed one-hundred years ago. I dislike nationalism but we now need a rebirth of it!

I never expeirenced such intense hatred body-language and facial hostility my entire life as I did those six years when I stayed in that Lancaster Gate apartment (London).

Christianity has an advanced notion of the Divine compared to Islam:
*It is infinitely imminent
*It is infinitely Transcendent
*It comes to, humbly as a small child even in the lowly position of a servent
*You can see it ("the face of Christ") in everyday people, even the wretched imprisoned
*You are to Pray Without Ceasing.  [stylization of stale traditions are broken there]
(learning to truly pray is sheer philosophy-theology; a deep inward movement)

As a final note: I'm very happy to see that 'annazakiya' who was thinking of converting to Islam chose Christianity instead. She is saving so many people from suffering physically and intellectually as their rights are withdrawn for Muslims by a 'politically correct' vapid shell of a 'democracy' by the corrupt powers-that-be . The hatred Muslims give to 'People of the Book or 'Infidels Worthy Of Death' are astounding and alien to most Westerners. I experienced a quiet but powerful form of this harshness.

In have confronted, rarely, peacable Muslims in full attire (men and women) who are kind in their body language and looks, but this is quite rare.

[Peter]

This is the YouTube video:
User: TheYoungTurks
Video: Muslim Attacks Atheist For Insulting Muhammad?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dmPJaY3N4aQ

I'd like to split off your article and retitle it something like: "U.S. Muslim judge Mark Martin rules Muslim was obliged to attack parade reveler"

That TV network and show are unapologetic propaganda (that has a worldwide audience of maybe 6 people! ). The "young Turk", Cenk Uygur, immigrated from Turkey when he was 8 years old, which may be why the most important parts of the story were left out and whitewashed. I noticed in a comment on the video:

"Why didn't you bring up the fact that the judge recently converted to Islam??? The Muslim also admitted to a cop at the scene that he had assaulted him and the Muslim thought (being a recent immigrant) that what the atheist was doing was illegal. The Muslim thought he was allowed to attack him for being disrespectful.
You left out so much out of this story. C'mon."
(I almost never thumbs up or down a comment, but I did that one to try to help keep it near the top of the page. (before I realized the volume of posts being put on the video))

So I did a quick Google and the first story I clicked on:

http://jewishnews.sharepoint.com/Pages/16801.aspx
"Judge Mark Martin, an Iraq war veteran and a convert to Islam, threw the case out in what appears to be an invocation of Sharia law."
"Judge Martin threw the case out on the grounds that Elbayomy was obligated to attack Perce because of his culture and religion."

Yahoo "Judge Mark Martin convert to Islam muslim obligated to attack"

http://investmentwatchblog.com/penn-judge-muslims-allowed-to-attack-people-for-insulting-mohammad/#.T1Cqenmep3o
"Judge Martin threw the case out on the grounds that Elbayomy was obligated to attack Perce because of his culture and religion. Judge Martin stated that the First Amendment of the Constitution does not permit people to provoke other people. He also called Perce, the plaintiff in the case, a “doofus.” In effect, Perce was the perpetrator of the assault, in Judge Martin’s view, and Elbayomy the innocent. The Sharia law that the Muslim attacker followed trumped the First Amendment."

Judge Martin needs to be imprisoned for tyranny and violating his oath to uphold and defend the constitution. A good old fashioned tar and feathering, and parading him through town in an oxcart on his way into prison, might help dissuade other activist judges (and Muslim representatives) from repeating his transgression.

About the "young turk"
Cenk Uygur - denier of Armenian genocide
http://www.theyoungturks.com/story/2008/3/3/14450/33428/Diary/Cenk-Uygur-owes-us-explanation-regarding-Armenian-Genocide
More on his propaganda
http://clancop.wordpress.com/2009/10/16/cenk-uygur-is-a-moron-clueless-creepy-and-downright-disturbing/

http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=2509.msg10322#msg10322
""The Republic of Turkey, the successor state of the Ottoman Empire, denies the word genocide is an accurate description of the events (see, Denial of the Armenian Genocide).[22] In recent years, it has faced repeated calls to accept the events as genocide. To date, twenty countries have officially recognized the events of the period as genocide, and most genocide scholars and historians accept this view.[23][24][25][26]""

[apollodorus]

Hello! :-)

You must direct your 'Crusade' in directions like this. People are so silly they may not question which Source predates which. What would you say about this video to people searching for God who watch it? Most are uninformed.

1500 year old Bible in which Jesus predicts the Coming of the Prophet Muhammad
Uploaded by TheTruthIsFromGod on Feb 29, 2012
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Th3r3rlhgOI

Both the above and below are from a Muslim (nice guy) who posts on my channel. He even dropped the taqqiya 'there is no compulsion in religion':

In sum: 'Al Ma'arri: Case of Islamic Tolerance In 1000s Arabia'

There is the figure of Al Ma'arri (973-1053), a philosopher, ascetic and skeptic who denied that Islam was divinely inspired yet lived quite happily and peacefully in Arabia.

Wikipedia:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Ma%CA%BFarri

Now if I were a college student and arguing against Islam and an Islamic student suddenly brought this up I would not know how to counter. This would serve an argument for “oh how lovely and peaceful Islam is, so tolerant…etc.etc.etc.”

These info-sources are mainly posed for curiousity. How would you respond?

Peace. :-)

[apollodorus]

This Muslim is a very very nice person who admits he smokes hashish contrary to Islamic Law. He does not like the people who run Saudi Arabia (most Arabs don't). Please do not respond to him on my channel. He is not like BlackMuslim[devil]Convert who was full of hatred.
 

[Peter]

Hello! :-)

You must direct your 'Crusade' in directions like this.

So many lies, lies, and lies all around, an army couldn't even begin to address them. I just began working on Islamist propaganda in Wikipedia where they got caught with egg on their faces. The article tacitly admits that Muhammad's followers were praying toward (qibla) a garbage dump!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Aqsa_Mosque#First_qibla
Gwaffaw! My response:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Al-Aqsa_Mosque#Unhistorical_Islamic_propaganda

People are so silly they may not question which Source predates which. What would you say about this video to people searching for God who watch it? Most are uninformed.

1500 year old Bible in which Jesus predicts the Coming of the Prophet Muhammad
Uploaded by TheTruthIsFromGod on Feb 29, 2012
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Th3r3rlhgOI

You're the second one that has shown it to me. I didn't hear anything about dating or authenticity, did you? Every week an explosive new book that will somehow make all of the prophets and witnesses in the Gospel wrong, and the exact opposite of it's whole subject correct. Every week a new YouTube Muslim flavor to chase. But even Bart Ehrman admits that there is simply too much evidence attesting to the crucifixion of Jesus to deny it.
That's the wonderful thing about being grounded in the Gospel. The same in the first century as it is today and tomorrow.
Regarding another Gospel of Barnabas, he not only claims Jesus predicted that Muhammad (by name) was coming, but Jesus admits that He is not the Messiah, but that Muhammad is! We have a forum article on the GoB.
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=465.0

Both the above and below are from a Muslim (nice guy) who posts on my channel. He even dropped the taqqiya 'there is no compulsion in religion':

In sum: 'Al Ma'arri: Case of Islamic Tolerance In 1000s Arabia'

There is the figure of Al Ma'arri (973-1053), a philosopher, ascetic and skeptic who denied that Islam was divinely inspired yet lived quite happily and peacefully in Arabia.

Yet the skeptics of Muhammad's day were murdered. One female poet in her sleep, with her baby at her breast.
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=1012.0

Wikipedia:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Ma%CA%BFarri

Now if I were a college student and arguing against Islam and an Islamic student suddenly brought this up I would not know how to counter. This would serve an argument for “oh how lovely and peaceful Islam is, so tolerant…etc.etc.etc.”

These info-sources are mainly posed for curiousity. How would you respond?

Peace. :-)

I would inform him that he is a hypocrite:

Sura 9.111 Allah hath purchased of the believers their persons and their goods; for theirs (in return) is the garden (of Paradise): they fight in His cause, and slay and are slain: a promise binding on Him in truth, through the Law, the Gospel, and the Qur'an: and who is more faithful to his covenant than Allah. then rejoice in the bargain which ye have concluded: that is the achievement supreme.

SLAYING NON-MUSLIMS IN "ALLAH'S" CAUSE IS BINDING ON MUHAMMAD'S FOLLOWERS IN THE QURAN!

And that if he doesn't repent a true fundamental follower of Muhammad, who does as Muhammad did, and who does as Muhammad instructed him to do, will cut his head off.

Sahih Al-Bukhari - "Jihad is holy fighting in Allah’s Cause with full force of weaponry. It is given the utmost importance in Islam and is one of its Pillars. By Jihad Islam is established, Allah is made superior and He becomes the only God who may be worshiped. By Jihad Islam is propagated and made superior. By abandoning Jihad (may Allah protect us from that) Islam is destroyed and Muslims fall into an inferior position. Their honor is lost, their lands are stolen, and Muslim rule and authority vanish. Jihad is an obligatory duty in Islam on every Muslim. He who tries to escape this duty dies as a hypocrite." page 580 of Maktba Dar-us-Salam's Sahih Al-Bukhari

And then maybe drop a link to this video on him
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=2948.0

If he's peaceful he needs to understand that the most violent and murderous among his brethren, are the ones who must necessarily prevail. Like the Taliban, or whoever takes over that is worse. That is the future he is condemning his heirs to. Getting his head cut off for smoking dope. Or even getting his head cut off for simply not showing up for prayers. Ask him how he would like it if this was his town.

AP - December 06, 2006 MOGADISHU, Somalia - "Residents of a southern Somalia town who do not pray five times a day will be beheaded, an Islamic courts official said Wednesday, adding the edict will be implemented in three days."
http://www.beholdthebeast.com/great_tribulation.htm

[apollodorus]

Thank you very much, I really appreciate the thoroughness of your response!
Peace.

[apollodorus]

Look, I have never been contacted by Muslims in unusual ways or at all till these past 2 months when I decided to join and contribute to the forum.

The only explanation is that some Muslims are finally responding, unfortunately, to critical comments I made about Islam under some videos I watched about six or seven months ago now.  Perhaps this will be uninteresting to you, but I enclose it:

from peacemessage949:

I want you to read the following and be honest
with your self at the end and decide in a moment of truth with oneself.......... Allah (The Creator of the Heaven and the earth) the one to be worshiped with perfect love and perfect submission created
 us for a great purpose and that is to worship Him alone, to turn to Him alone, to pray to Him alone...He sent Messengers from Adam to Noah, Abraham, Moses, Jesus, Jacob, etc ....till the final Messenger Muhammad Peace be upon all of them. They all came with the same message and that is " No one is worthy of worship except Allah" .....all the creation of Allah submitted itself to the Creator willingly or unwillingly as Allah The Most High says in the Quran " Do they seek other than the religion of Allah (the true Islamic
 Monotheism worshiping none but Allah Alone), while to Him submitted all creatures in the heavens and the earth, willingly or unwillingly. And to Him shall they all be returned" ( 3:83)
 We were born without being asked, when we were in the womb of our mothers, who took care of us there? when we came out to this earth who took care of us then? who is the one that put the love in the hearts of every mother to take care of her child? who is the one that provides for us food, water, etc. we breath the air that He created for us.....for what reason? He is the Most WIse and the Most Merciful........all of that is to worship Him alone and not to set rivals with Him. A Muslim believes in all the Messengers and honor them they are the best of all the humanbeings, what was the message of Abraham? did he worship Jesus (Peace be upon him)? what was the Religion of Abraham? was it Christianity or Judaism? it didn't exist then....it was ISLAM......submitting to Allah the Most High......"
 
Abraham was neither a Jew nor a Christian, but he was a true Muslim (meaning in the state of submission to Allah) Hanifa (someone that would stay away from associating partners with Allah) and he was not of Al-Mushrikun (Polytheists)" (3: 67)
 If you believe in the Creator of the heavens and the earth, that He is the creator, sustainer etc.....if you believe that He is the only one worthy of worship not any of His creation not a Prophet from Adam till Muhammed Peace be unto all of them and including Jesus Peace be upon him.....if you believe in that say now with your tongue "I BEAR WITNESS THAT THERE IS NO ONE WORTHY OF WORSHIP EXCEPT ALLAH.....AND I BEAR WITNESS THAT PROPHET MUHAMMED IS THE FINAL MESSENGER OF ALLAH"
 
This is the Shahada but you have to say it in Arabic also, so read out loud the following translation......"ASH HADU ALLA ILLAHA ILLA ALLAH.....WA ASH HADU ANNA MUHAMMADAN RASOOL UL ALLAH"
 
That's it as simple as that...and then take the time to learn step by step the beauty of this religion, you don't need to learn everything
 first to say the shahada because if you beleive in what is written above just say it and then take the time to learn.....
 
May Allah The Most High guide us all to the truth.



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[Peter]

Look, I have never been contacted by Muslims in unusual ways or at all till these past 2 months when I decided to join and contribute to the forum.

The only explanation is that some Muslims are finally responding, unfortunately, to critical comments I made about Islam under some videos I watched about six or seven months ago now.  Perhaps this will be uninteresting to you, but I enclose it:

from peacemessage949:

I want you to read the following and be honest
with your self at the end and decide in a moment of truth with oneself.......... Allah (The Creator of the Heaven and the earth) the one to be worshiped with perfect love and perfect submission created
 us for a great purpose and that is to worship Him alone, to turn to Him alone, to pray to Him alone...He sent Messengers from Adam to Noah, Abraham, Moses, Jesus, Jacob, etc ....till the final Messenger Muhammad Peace be upon all of them. They all came with the same message and that is " No one is worthy of worship except Allah" .....all the creation of Allah submitted itself to the Creator willingly or unwillingly as Allah The Most High says in the Quran " Do they seek other than the religion of Allah (the true Islamic
 Monotheism worshiping none but Allah Alone), while to Him submitted all creatures in the heavens and the earth, willingly or unwillingly. And to Him shall they all be returned" ( 3:83)
 We were born without being asked, when we were in the womb of our mothers, who took care of us there? when we came out to this earth who took care of us then? who is the one that put the love in the hearts of every mother to take care of her child? who is the one that provides for us food, water, etc. we breath the air that He created for us.....for what reason? He is the Most WIse and the Most Merciful........all of that is to worship Him alone and not to set rivals with Him. A Muslim believes in all the Messengers and honor them they are the best of all the humanbeings, what was the message of Abraham? did he worship Jesus (Peace be upon him)? what was the Religion of Abraham? was it Christianity or Judaism? it didn't exist then....it was ISLAM......submitting to Allah the Most High......"

Abraham had no religion. He was communicated directly with by the one true God Yahweh Himself.
What he calls Islam is a 7th century invention of the false prophet Muhammad that even today engages in thinly veneered Sabian and Quraish pagan rituals.

God's covenant passed from Abraham, through Isaac and his son Jacob, whom God renamed Israel.

Gen 32:28 And he said, Thy name shall be called no more Jacob, but Israel: for as a prince hast thou power with God and with men, and hast prevailed.
http://www.blueletterbible.org/search/translationResults.cfm?Criteria=abraham+isaac+jacob&t=KJV
http://www.blueletterbible.org/search/translationResults.cfm?Criteria=abraham+isaac+israel&t=KJV&sf=5

http://www.pre-trib.org/articles/view/are-modern-jews-descendants-of-abraham-isaac-and-jacob

God's covenant was specifically NOT with the seed of Ishmael. Indeed it seems God didn't even recognize Ishmael as Abraham's son, after Abraham turned his wife Sarah's handmaiden Hagar and her son Ishmael, out of his house.

Gen 22:2 And he said, Take now thy son, thine only [son] Isaac, whom thou lovest...
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=2771.0

Then Yeshua (which means Yahweh saves, rescues or delivers) ushered in a new covenant nearly 2,000 years ago. That new covenant was prophesied in the old covenant by Jeremiah.
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=537.0

Your friend is trying to live 3500 years ago, specifically to avoid the WHOLE SUBJECT of the Gospel. Of the new covenant. Which is salvation from sin through faith in the shed blood of the Messiah.

Here is the lineage of the Messiah
http://www.christiananswers.net/dictionary/messianicprophecies.html

Jesus crucifixion was prophesied many hundreds of years in advance.
You can give him a link to this video on that subject.
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=2641.0

Abraham was neither a Jew nor a Christian, but he was a true Muslim (meaning in the state of submission to Allah) Hanifa (someone that would stay away from associating partners with Allah) and he was not of Al-Mushrikun (Polytheists)" (3: 67)

"Ahnaf is a pagan Arabian religious group which began at the time of Mohammed. It had nothing to do with the faith of Abraham.

Islamic tradition claims that at the time of Mohammed, there was a group of people who refused to be either Jews or Christians, but instead, they claimed to be of the “faith of Abraham,” which, according to Islam, would mean they were the true followers of Abraham, and continued throughout  history. They called themselves “Ahnaf “ or “Honafa.“

This claim is blatantly false.  Nowhere in the pages of history was there a religion of Abraham called “ Hanifa”. Abraham was never called “Hanifa” nor did Abraham ever call himself “Hanif,”  nor did he establish a religion. Faith in the God of the Bible did not begin with Abraham nor did it begin in his lifetime. Before Abraham, the Bible presented men such as Enoch and Noah with whom God spoke and fellowshipped."

Much more at the link
http://religionresearchinstitute.org/index_articles/ahnaf.htm
Dr. Rafat Amari studied the subject 8-10 hours a day, 6 days a week, for 20 years without vacation, and his first language is Arabic and his studies included original source materials.

If you believe in the Creator of the heavens and the earth, that He is the creator, sustainer etc.....if you believe that He is the only one worthy of worship not any of His creation not a Prophet from Adam till Muhammed Peace be unto all of them and including Jesus Peace be upon him.....if you believe in that say now with your tongue "I BEAR WITNESS THAT THERE IS NO ONE WORTHY OF WORSHIP EXCEPT ALLAH.....AND I BEAR WITNESS THAT PROPHET MUHAMMED IS THE FINAL MESSENGER OF ALLAH"

And the Mormons believe Joseph Smith was the final messenger. That's why the bible warned us

Mat 7:15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.

But Muhammad didn't even bother with the sheep's clothing but came as an imperialistic conquering, mass murdering, child doing, female prisoner abusing, self-admitted terrorist, and thief. Scripture mentions a specific false prophet and his kingdom "beast".

Rev 20:10    And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet [are], and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.
http://www.beholdthebeast.com/islam__quran_and_666.htm

This is the Shahada but you have to say it in Arabic also, so read out loud the following translation......"ASH HADU ALLA ILLAHA ILLA ALLAH.....WA ASH HADU ANNA MUHAMMADAN RASOOL UL ALLAH"
 
That's it as simple as that.....

It's as simple as that to become eligible for beheading by Muhammad's followers for apostasy, if one decides they don't want to be a Muhammadan any more.

Very much different to become a Christian:

John 3:3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.

....and then take the time to learn step by step the beauty of this religion, .......

How beautiful to you think it is for the 2 million Africans that have been killed or displaced in the Sudan alone, by Arab African Muslims?
Or the thousand Christians killed recently on the Ivory Coast of Africa?
The churches burned and Christians killed in Egypt?
The 3 teenage girls beheaded on their way to Christian school in Indonesia?
http://www.beholdthebeast.com/great_tribulation.htm

........ you don't need to learn everything
 first to say the shahada because if you beleive in what is written above just say it and then take the time to learn.....
 
May Allah The Most High guide us all to the truth.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dwd_df9NcIQ&feature=mfu_in_order&list=UL
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=841R8wCBo7c&feature=mfu_in_order&list=UL
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-rzgNuny8yg&feature=mfu_in_order&list=UL

You are welcome to visit our friendly sites where you can
Read more about Islam*
http://www.islamic-invitation.com

Chat free 1/1 with knowledgeable Muslims*
http://www.chatislamonline.org OR http://www.edialogue.org

*Ask questions about Islam
http://www.islamreligion.com

Good. Then the first question to ask is why they prostrate themselves to the very same black stone idol that the Quraish pagan's venerated while praying in the "vain repetitions of the heathen", and why they run back and forth between Al-Safa and Al-Marwah, as the Arabian jinn-devil worshipers did.

Mat 6:7 But when ye pray, use not vain repetitions, as the heathen [do]: for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking.

Then ask them to present all of the historical and archaeological evidence that suggested that Mecca ever existed before the 4th century AD, that is so compelling that they reject the historical record in scripture that is confirmed by the archaeological and geographical EVIDENCE, and fulfilled prophecy, to believe the EXACT OPPOSITE of the WHOLE SUBJECT of the Gospel through Muhammad's STAND-ALONE 23 year 7th century record.
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=2447.0

[Peter]

Look, I have never been contacted by Muslims in unusual ways or at all till these past 2 months when I decided to join and contribute to the forum.

The only explanation is that some Muslims are finally responding, unfortunately, to critical comments I made about Islam under some videos I watched about six or seven months ago now.  Perhaps this will be uninteresting to you, but I enclose it:

from peacemessage949:

I want you to read the following and be honest
with your self at the end and decide in a moment of truth with oneself.......... Allah (The Creator of the Heaven and the earth) .........

"Allah" is the name of an Arabian pagan deity.
The etomology suggests the pagan's moon god http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=slLBam06iyg

The Creator's name is YHWH as it occurs over 6,000 times in scripture and in paleo-hebrew inscription that dates to the 9th century BC.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IjFssul-1fk

........ the one to be worshiped with perfect love and perfect submission created
 us for a great purpose and that is to worship Him alone, to turn to Him alone, to pray to Him alone...He sent Messengers from Adam to Noah, Abraham, Moses, Jesus, Jacob, etc ....till the final Messenger Muhammad Peace be upon all of them. They all came with the same message and that is " No one is worthy of worship except Allah" .....all the creation of Allah submitted itself to the Creator willingly or unwillingly as Allah The Most High says in the Quran " Do they seek other than the religion of Allah (the true Islamic
 Monotheism worshiping none but Allah Alone), .......

There was a Sabian sect that were a monotheistic moon worshipers.
The Jews were monotheistic worshipers of the ONE TRUE GOD of the scriptures thousands of years before Muhammad, and Christians were monotheists 600 years before Muhammad.

...... while to Him submitted all creatures in the heavens and the earth, willingly or unwillingly. And to Him shall they all be returned" ( 3:83)
 We were born without being asked, when we were in the womb of our mothers, who took care of us there? when we came out to this earth who took care of us then? who is the one that put the love in the hearts of every mother to take care of her child? who is the one that provides for us food, water, etc. we breath the air that He created for us.....for what reason? He is the Most WIse and the Most Merciful........all of that is to worship Him alone and not to set rivals with Him. A Muslim believes in all the Messengers and honor them they are the best of all the humanbeings, what was the message of Abraham? did he worship Jesus (Peace be upon him)? what was the Religion of Abraham? was it Christianity or Judaism? it didn't exist then....it was ISLAM......submitting to Allah the Most High......"

Abraham had no religion. He was communicated with directly by the one true God Yahweh Himself.
What he calls Islam is a 7th century invention of the false prophet Muhammad that even today engages in thinly veneered Sabian and Quraish pagan rituals centered around the Quraish pagan's kaaba.
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=1227.0

God's covenant passed from Abraham, through Isaac and his son Jacob, whom God renamed Israel.

Gen 32:28 And he said, Thy name shall be called no more Jacob, but Israel: for as a prince hast thou power with God and with men, and hast prevailed.
http://www.blueletterbible.org/search/translationResults.cfm?Criteria=abraham+isaac+jacob&t=KJV
http://www.blueletterbible.org/search/translationResults.cfm?Criteria=abraham+isaac+israel&t=KJV&sf=5

http://www.pre-trib.org/articles/view/are-modern-jews-descendants-of-abraham-isaac-and-jacob

God's covenant was specifically NOT with the seed of Ishmael. Indeed it seems God didn't even recognize Ishmael as Abraham's son, after Abraham turned his wife Sarah's handmaiden Hagar and her son Ishmael, out of his house.

Gen 22:2 And he said, Take now thy son, thine only [son] Isaac, whom thou lovest...
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=2771.0

Then Yeshua (which means Yahweh saves, rescues or delivers) ushered in a new covenant nearly 2,000 years ago. That new covenant was prophesied in the old covenant by Jeremiah.
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=537.0

Your friend is trying to live 3500 years ago, specifically to avoid the WHOLE SUBJECT of the Gospel. Of the new covenant. Which is salvation from sin through faith in the shed blood of the Messiah.

Here is the lineage of the Messiah
http://www.christiananswers.net/dictionary/messianicprophecies.html

Jesus crucifixion was prophesied many hundreds of years in advance.
You can give him a link to this video on that subject.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nAQHFVn7H2Q
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=2641.0

Abraham was neither a Jew nor a Christian, but he was a true Muslim (meaning in the state of submission to Allah) Hanifa (someone that would stay away from associating partners with Allah) and he was not of Al-Mushrikun (Polytheists)" (3: 67)

"Ahnaf is a pagan Arabian religious group which began at the time of Mohammed. It had nothing to do with the faith of Abraham.

Islamic tradition claims that at the time of Mohammed, there was a group of people who refused to be either Jews or Christians, but instead, they claimed to be of the “faith of Abraham,” which, according to Islam, would mean they were the true followers of Abraham, and continued throughout  history. They called themselves “Ahnaf “ or “Honafa.“

This claim is blatantly false.  Nowhere in the pages of history was there a religion of Abraham called “ Hanifa”. Abraham was never called “Hanifa” nor did Abraham ever call himself “Hanif,”  nor did he establish a religion. Faith in the God of the Bible did not begin with Abraham nor did it begin in his lifetime. Before Abraham, the Bible presented men such as Enoch and Noah with whom God spoke and fellowshipped."

"Islamic claims about Honafa’ or  Ahnaf

There are no mention of Ahnaf in the Jahilieh period  before Islam. This fact is recognizable by Islamic scholars themselves. Jawad Ali, an Iraqi Islamic scholar, says, “There is nothing about Ahnaf in Arabian sources before Islam. most the information that Islamic authors provide is obscure and a fabrication.  ”[1]  Jawad Ali goes on to say, “We have no mention of Ahnaf in the Jahilieh nor in the classical writings of the Greeks and Romans. Therefore, our knowledge about them was only through Islamic literature.”[ii]

Here we see clearly that the idea of a religion in Arabia called Hanafieh which claims an affiliation with the faith of Abraham is not based on history. If this religion had existed, it would have been practiced, not in Arabia, but in Israel, where Abraham lived most of his life. But neither Israelite nor Greek nor Roman historians ever mention a religion called Hanifieh built on Abraham. It’s implausible that this kind of religion would be unknown to the historians  and still be practiced at the time of Mohammed in the desert of Mecca. No one has heard of it since the time of Abraham. "

Much more at the link
http://religionresearchinstitute.org/index_articles/ahnaf.htm
Dr. Rafat Amari studied the subject 8-10 hours a day, 6 days a week, for 20 years without vacation, and his first language is Arabic and his studies included original source materials.
I just copy and pasted his article in this link for discussion
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=3099.0

If you believe in the Creator of the heavens and the earth, that He is the creator, sustainer etc.....if you believe that He is the only one worthy of worship not any of His creation not a Prophet from Adam till Muhammed Peace be unto all of them and including Jesus Peace be upon him.....if you believe in that say now with your tongue "I BEAR WITNESS THAT THERE IS NO ONE WORTHY OF WORSHIP EXCEPT ALLAH.....AND I BEAR WITNESS THAT PROPHET MUHAMMED IS THE FINAL MESSENGER OF ALLAH"

And the Mormons believe Joseph Smith was the final messenger. That's why the bible warned us

Mat 7:15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.

But Muhammad didn't even bother with the sheep's clothing but came as an imperialistic conquering, mass murdering, child doing, female prisoner abusing, self-admitted terrorist, and thief. Scripture mentions a specific false prophet and his kingdom "beast".

Rev 20:10    And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet [are], and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.
http://www.beholdthebeast.com/islam__quran_and_666.htm

This is the Shahada but you have to say it in Arabic also, so read out loud the following translation......"ASH HADU ALLA ILLAHA ILLA ALLAH.....WA ASH HADU ANNA MUHAMMADAN RASOOL UL ALLAH"
 
That's it as simple as that.....

It's as simple as that to become eligible for beheading by Muhammad's followers for apostasy, if one decides they don't want to be a Muhammadan any more.

Very much different to become a Christian:

John 3:3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.

....and then take the time to learn step by step the beauty of this religion, .......

How beautiful to you think it is for the 2 million Africans that have been killed or displaced in the Sudan alone, by Arab African Muslims?
Or the thousand Christians killed recently on the Ivory Coast of Africa?
The churches burned and Christians killed in Egypt?
The 3 teenage girls beheaded on their way to Christian school in Indonesia?
http://www.beholdthebeast.com/great_tribulation.htm

........ you don't need to learn everything
 first to say the shahada because if you beleive in what is written above just say it and then take the time to learn.....
 
May Allah The Most High guide us all to the truth.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dwd_df9NcIQ&feature=mfu_in_order&list=UL
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=841R8wCBo7c&feature=mfu_in_order&list=UL
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-rzgNuny8yg&feature=mfu_in_order&list=UL

You are welcome to visit our friendly sites where you can
Read more about Islam*
http://www.islamic-invitation.com

Chat free 1/1 with knowledgeable Muslims*
http://www.chatislamonline.org OR http://www.edialogue.org

*Ask questions about Islam
http://www.islamreligion.com

Good. Then the first question to ask is why they prostrate themselves to the very same black stone idol that the Quraish pagan's venerated while praying in the "vain repetitions of the heathen", and why they run back and forth between Al-Safa and Al-Marwah, as the Arabian jinn-devil worshipers did.

Mat 6:7 But when ye pray, use not vain repetitions, as the heathen [do]: for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking.

Then ask them to present all of the historical and archaeological evidence that suggested that Mecca ever existed before the 4th century AD, that is so compelling that they reject the historical record in scripture that is confirmed by the archaeological and geographical EVIDENCE, and fulfilled prophecy, to believe the EXACT OPPOSITE of the WHOLE SUBJECT of the Gospel through Muhammad's STAND-ALONE 23 year 7th century record.
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=2447.0

[apollodorus]

Wow! Thank you so much, I will be sure to read that all as soon as I get a chance.

Allow me to note that peacemessage949's channel was only opened on February 21, 2012 and there is absolutely No, Zero content in it. So it looks like it was opened specifically to address me (arguably), which rather creeped me out when I first received the message.

Probably just some Egyptian who wanted to create a good impresssion of Islam for me. On the other hand don't they give invitations to Islam before they attack people?

Most likely its nothing.

[Peter]

Wow! Thank you so much, I will be sure to read that all as soon as I get a chance.

Allow me to note that peacemessage949's channel was only opened on February 21, 2012 and there is absolutely No, Zero content in it. So it looks like it was opened specifically to address me (arguably), which rather creeped me out when I first received the message.

They drop and start new channel IDs all the time because they are constantly caught flat-footed and embarrassed. The virtual world allows them to destroy their former selves and try again as a new person.

Probably just some Egyptian who wanted to create a good impresssion of Islam for me. On the other hand don't they give invitations to Islam before they attack people?

Most likely its nothing.

Sure they do. They will suck folks in any way they can. But as you know they are empty-handed when it comes to history, archaeology and the geographical impossibility of their "traditions". The only prophecy in the Quran is things that were already known at the time or nonsense and Muhammad had false prophecy as well.
Yet consider fulfilled bible prophecy.
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=2447.0

[apollodorus]

"They drop and start new channel IDs all the time because they are constantly caught flat-footed and embarrassed. The virtual world allows them to destroy their former selves and try again as a new person."

They should be Hindu/Buddhist since they are so fond of rebirth!  ;-)

[apollodorus]

Hello! I would be very grateful if you could refresh my memory:
What was that ruthlessly unchristian Tanakh which is available free for all to read online? I would be very grateful if you could post the link (if it is not too much trouble).
Thank you very much.  :-)

[Peter]

Hello! I would be very grateful if you could refresh my memory:
What was that ruthlessly unchristian Tanakh which is available free for all to read online? I would be very grateful if you could post the link (if it is not too much trouble).
Thank you very much.  :-)

It's unjewish as well because the Jews do not consider it inspired. Look at it like reading false doctrine from a cult like Jehovah's Witness or Mormons. The book is called the Talmud. We have a prohibition of anyone quoting from it in here unless they honestly declare they follow Joseph Smith, Charles Taze Russel and Ellen White - simultaneously (founders of the cults of LDS, Jehovah's Witness, and SDA). It is a dangerous book and here's what happened to a Christian that spent too much time with his nose in it, as some do that desire to use it to accuse our faithful Jewish brethren. You could receive the same spirits. I am only showing you this in case you had any doubts about the spirit world.
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=2795.msg12719#msg12719
However Shining Man with Hurt Hands is a better illustration and is not a danger to read.
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=31.0

[apollodorus]

Now that is some very valuable information you sent me.

But I fear due to my own deficiencies I have caused a misunderstanding. Please forgive me.

I used to own a nice hardback version of the JEWISH BIBLE which I recall was termed 'Tanakh' on the cover. I was not looking at the Talmud (and so far as the Talmud is concerned I would only be interested in the Babylonian Talmud when I get the time).

My only question was about finding a good translation of the JEWISH BIBLE (5 books of Moses etcetera) online which is very thoroughly Jewish, no apologies in translating process to the Christians.

If all JEWISH BIBLES translated into English happen to be that way please excuse my ignorance but I have not had the chance to continue studying Antiquity & Religions since I graduated 8 years ago. I only took a few classes to satisfy my childhood interests.

Pax Dei Tecum.

[apollodorus]

Not to overload you with questions but I may as well fire off this other one:

In the past 15 years there have been two thoroughly researched, scholarly books defending 1. The Historicity of the Resurrection 2. The Historical Existence of a Jesus Christ character.

These are two which are (or were) said to stand above all others in taking an 'objective' (whatever that means) perspective like any Biblical Scholar of Higher Criticism.

If you are familiar with this there is no rush in answering this question. If you don't know that's fine.

Thank you very much, I really appreciate it.