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Re: Dave2's questions
« Reply #100 on: May 13, 2012, 07:14:34 PM »
Perhaps you have difficulty reading English. I never said that people who do not believe like me are not Jews. However, just as you do, I believe people are IN ERROR.

We see. Faithful Jews in Israel whose lives revolve around their synogogues and faith based communities, that God restored to their covenant land for the sake of His name's sake in fulfillment of so much bible prophecy, are in error, while your tiny cult couples you with anti-Zionist Nazis, skinheads, Muslims and the KKK, in advancing the Islamic conquest of Israel and subjugation of Israeli Jews and Christians.

1. Do you really believe it just a weird coincidence that you find yourself in the company of all those Godless people that favor genocide of Jews?
That you are fruit of the same anti-Zionist tree.

DO NOT try to change the subject to atheists or unfaithful Israeli Jews, but restrict your answers to these 5 questions solely as regards FAITHFUL Israeli Jews.



Jews have been subject to 64 years of incessant Zionist propaganda accompanied by all the bribery and other means of ensuring support, mainly through FEAR MONGERING.

Since it's impossible for anybody to be that ignorant I'll chalk it up to a poor choice of terms.
It isn't fear mongering when leaders of nation-states proclaim "Israel must be wiped off the map …",
supported by majorities of their people:





2. Please click on this 4 minute video and tell us if you think that if the 4/5 majority of Israelis (Jews), turned the government over to Hamas, it would change the murderous nature of this Islamic leader's heart, that is inspired by their "holy" books.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_X8dhrzQCHY

But it's not a big deal. This "state" with all its murder, .....

Cut the crap Dave. The "state" is who the majority of Israelis - the vast majority of whom were born there - elect to run their country. Even some Muslims - who enjoy more freedom in Jerusalem than they would in any Muslim controlled country on earth - vote for a strong Israeli self-defense too. The issue is self-defense from very committed enemies who are driven by Satan.

..... idolatry and immorality .......

3. The immorality of Israeli Jews whose lives revolve around their synagogues and faith based communities, but who don't want their kids blown up on school buses?
And this judgment by a New York based Reform Jew?

...... will come to an end with its desecration of the Torah and the name of God.

You are the only one who has desecrated the name of God, by suggesting He is in error for restoring His people to their land, SPECIFICALLY FOR HIS NAME'S SAKE. At least hereafter you will not be able to plead ignorance when you stand before God in judgment, but desecrate His name with your eyes wide open through your desired to have His name continue to be profaned.

"Among Israeli Jews, 72% are Sabras (Israeli-born), mostly second- or third-generation Israelis..." just as surely as the vast majority of your New York neighbors were born in the U.S. - even New York.

4. So you hate all Israeli Jews who desire to defend their families and the rest of the innocent civilians that are targeted in their community (and in so doing also the families of Israeli Christians and Muslims) from enemies that are avowed to wipe them out to the last?
Enemies that specifically TARGET Israeli CIVILIANS in random attacks without discrimination as to whether they are Jews, Muslims, or children.
http://endtimes-biblereport.com/Issue_5.html

5. How many months, much less years, would you want your government to restrain itself, if bomb carrying rockets were dropping into your neighborhood Dave?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2eeGBv5JPEY
".... terror only intensified when Israel completely and fully withdrew from the Gaza Strip, when it handed it in full to the Palestinians! They of course find it easy to forget that it wasn't until two years after the withdrawal, two years of continued rockets that a blockade was put up to prevent the smuggling of these rockets, of these weapons."

This is the bottom line Dave.

"If the Arabs put down their weapons today, there would be no more violence. If the Jews put down their weapons today, there would be no more Israel"

Yet you side with all those Godless reprobate cults that champion the genocide of Jews, and Muslims that instigate fighting toward the Islamic conquest of Israel. Supporting their ambition to turn Israel into another sharia law ruled, multiple wife and concubine beating, child doing, female circumcising, mass murdering, Islamist terrorist slave state.
http://www.islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=2984.0


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Re: Dave2's questions
« Reply #101 on: May 13, 2012, 07:43:24 PM »
First answer resisting's question, and then address the 5 points in my post.
http://www.islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=3238.msg13766#msg13766

If you give other than direct and specific answers I am going to give you 5 days off to come up with some. If you come back and obfuscate it will be 10 days, etc. You have repeatedly broken your commitment to engage in exchange as described in the registration agreement. Wasting our mutual time through further obfuscation with unrelated answers will no longer be tolerated.

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Re: Dave2's questions
« Reply #102 on: May 14, 2012, 05:13:01 PM »
God is a judge and he will and does judge every person for their sins. There is no such thing as free love except to the extent that punishment is generally designed to purify one's soul from sin. As far as weapons are concerned, check who has the worst US-made weapons. The Palestinians or the Zionists. Who has F16s, helicopter gunships, Merkava tanks and phosphorus powder used against civilians and not a comparable army?
Who has 230 nuclear warheads? Who gets to bomb civilian neighborhoods from the comfort of their aircraft over a cup of coffee and who shoots missiles from their fancy US-made ships at Palestinian fishermen?


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Re: Dave2's questions
« Reply #103 on: May 14, 2012, 05:43:26 PM »
Perhaps 5 days off will give you enough time to compose answers to our posts. I recommend addressing mine by number.
In the meantime you will have the ability to log in, but not to post.

No more dithering on when you return. From now on you must quote that portion of a post that you are responding to. You can find instructions for quoting here: http://www.islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=39.0
If you fail to quote the specific portion of a post that you are replying to, your post will be sent to spam.

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Re: Dave2's questions
« Reply #104 on: May 14, 2012, 07:27:50 PM »
It doesn't matter what unrelated things you post, in order to avoid engaging in an exchange, the embarrassing result is always the same Dave. That's because of the side you have chosen.
http://www.islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=2984.0

God is a judge and he will and does judge every person for their sins. There is no such thing as free love except to the extent that punishment is generally designed to purify one's soul from sin.

So sad that you serve such a different God than we do. Interesting to note that one out of every 9 verses in Muhammad's alter-ego "Allah"'s book regard punishment. That's why Muhammad's followers are motivated by the punishments of Muhammad's imagination rather than love.
So why the refusal to tell us exactly what brand of Jew you are, when asked over and over, Dave? What are you ashamed of?

As far as weapons are concerned, ......

I covered the subject of weapons in it's entirety in the single undeniable quote that I copy and pasted previously:

"If the Arabs put down their weapons today, there would be no more violence. If the Jews put down their weapons today, there would be no more Israel"

Do you think the Israelis could somehow defend themselves and their children from the random rocket launching, suicide bomb vest wearing, school bus bombing Muslim aggressors without weapons? Or as your cult with the street signs suggest, should they simply roll over and let Hamas rule over them?

"Neturei Karta call for dismantling of the state of Israel ....."



http://www.islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=2795.0
"In contrast, a poll of 507 Arab-Israelis conducted by the Israeli Democracy Institute in 2007 found that 75 percent profess support for Israel's status as a Jewish and democratic state which guarantees equal rights for minorities. Israeli Arab support for a constitution in general was 88 percent.[31]"

Just as it has been between Jews and Arabs in Israel for 2 centuries, for those Arabs that wish to live side by side with the Israeli Jews in peace, while enjoying mutual prosperity.

We need only look to the examples of all of the Islamic slave states around the world, let alone the darkness of evil descending on innocents in Gaza through Islamic rule - that you are responsible for Dave - to understand why that poll went the way that it did:

"Christians can only continue living safely in the Gaza Strip if they accept Islamic law, including a ban on alcohol and on women roaming publicly without proper head coverings,..."
"The militant leader said Christians in Gaza who engage in "missionary activity" will be "dealt with harshly."
"I expect our Christian neighbors to understand the new Hamas rule means real changes. They must be ready for Islamic rule if they want to live in peace in Gaza,"
"Also the activities of Internet cafes, pool halls and bars must be stopped," he said. "If it goes on, we'll attack these things very harshly."

Internet access to information begins to be limited, as the darkness descends on the innocent thanks to you, and Satan's anti-Zionist minions, Dave.
http://www.islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=2795.0

Yet in regard to weapons, all God's people needed was a couple antique guns and a few flaming barrels to drive off the very well armed attacking aggressor Muslim hordes - the enemies of God's people - when He restored His people to their land. A nation of miracles by God's hand:
http://www.islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=3280.0

...... check who has the worst US-made weapons. The Palestinians or the Zionists. Who has F16s, helicopter gunships, Merkava tanks and phosphorus powder used against civilians and not a comparable army?

Indeed. One is an army that wears uniforms so the enemy can tell the difference between a combatant and a civilian, while the other side is a bunch of cowards that shield their activities and rocket launching with their own women and children, right in their own neighborhoods. Just as prophesied of Muhammad's Islamic beast/kingdom with jihad as the pinnacle of worship:

Rev 13:4 And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who [is] like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?

Phosphorous power is used to produce a smokescreen, so that soldiers can get closer to the enemy, in order to reduce the chances of civilian casualties. Since the enemy insists on using civilians as shields, accidents and collateral casualties are inevitable.

Who has 230 nuclear warheads?

The people that God gifted with more restraint, than any people in the history of mankind, from using them. Despite facing one of the ugliest and most satanically driven enemies in the history of mankind. The perfect choice to hold those weapons as a deterrent to protect God's people from Satan's Muslim aggressors.

Who gets to bomb civilian neighborhoods .....

The Israelis never target civilians, in spite of the fact that their enemy is so cowardly they hide themselves as civilians, among civilians, while being such cowards that they SPECIFICALLY TARGET CIVILIANS in their own attacks of aggression. You know Dave, you make it increasingly difficult not to believe, that you are a Muslim engaging in taqiyyah.

...... from the comfort of their aircraft over a cup of coffee and who shoots missiles from their fancy US-made ships at Palestinian fishermen?

Sure. The Israelis are waging war against so-called "Palestinian" fishermen. Perhaps you are referring to "civilian" ships that are used to mask imports of rockets and arms. But then you speak in such vague generalities I wouldn't be surprised if you are making it up. Can't even you begin to see who is inside you, and doing the speaking for you, Dave?
The weapons you allude to are called "smart bombs" for a reason. They are designed to target the enemy with precision, while reducing collateral civilian casualties. Yet the people you support specifically target innocent, non-combatant, men, women and children, with unguided rockets, suicide vests and school bus bombs.

Do not address this post until we have thoroughly vetted the posts that you avoided when you posted this one. Then we will move to the older posts that you ignored. When you return in 5 days you will be limited to this thread, and in accordance with the rule you compelled me to impose on our discussion in order to help you to engage in exchange. Quote the posts or at least number your replies in accordance with the numbers I assigned my questions. If you try posting unrelated replies, or post in any other threads before this one, you'll have 10 days off to compose your replies.
Under your current 5 day ban you have the ability to log in, but not post.

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Re: Dave2's questions
« Reply #105 on: November 22, 2014, 07:42:00 AM »
You call it a cult when you don't even know what a cult is unless you clearly prefer to label anything a cult that you don't agree with.

One hallmark of a cult is folks that follow men. Like Muhammad, Charles Taze Russel, Joseph Smith, Charles Manson, and the men whose tradition you follow, that even join you with other anti-Zionist cults like Nazis, Muslims and the KKK.

Zionism is a cult an atheistic non-kosher pseudo-messianic cult started by that scum of a fake Jew, Theodor Herzl, may his name rot in hell. Go do some studying of 20th century Jewish history and start with the 1880s.

Typical device of anti-Zionists, to begin the history of Israel at the end of the 19th century when the term "Zionism" was coined, while conveniently ignoring the early 19th century when the restoration of the Jews to their land actually began, in order to advance your anti-Zionist lies.

Exposing your abject ignorance to history - not only of the historicity of Jesus as exhibited earlier - but to the history of your own people. http://petewaldo.com/zionism.htm

Anyway, you are demonizing the wrong guy. The guys you really need to go after are those like John Adams for championing the idea, and Rabbi Shmuel Salant who arrived in Jerusalem in 1841, and under whose tenure as chief rabbi the population of Jerusalem grew from 5,000 to 30,000.

Any gentile, and particularly any Jew that could leaf through the history of how Jews were treated in gentile lands, and not understand the need for a place where they could live by their own laws and determine their own destiny - particularly in the land that God gave them through an everlasting covenant - would seem no Jew at all. Perhaps just a New York city dwelling bag of hot air that proclaims to know what's best for the Israelis, even as he labors to advance Islamic conquest, and subjugation of Israeli Jews and Christians to Muhammad's followers. No surprise then that you are so obsessed with demonizing Paul, just like your anti-Zionist Muslim partners do:

Romans 2:28 For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither [is that] circumcision, which is outward in the flesh: 29 But he [is] a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision [is that] of the heart, in the spirit, [and] not in the letter; whose praise [is] not of men, but of God.

Regarding the blasphemy of your accusations against God, for restoring His people to their covenant land to end the profaning of His Holy name, thereby demonstrating His power in a way that even heathens can understand - let alone your blasphemy against our Messiah:

Revelation 2:9 I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and [I know] the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but [are] the synagogue of Satan.

He hated Judaism and he will never get out of the hell prepared for him for his sins which make Jeroboam ben Nevat look like a holy man alongside Herzl.

Dave like so many anti-zionists, want to accuse a few men, as if they could be responsible for the fulfillment of a prophecy that is so stunning, that even "the heathen" shall know He is Lord. On a quick glance at this thread I didn't see the point made that the restoration of Jews to their land was also anticipated by Christians through Bible prophecy, centuries before that restoration ever began to take place.
http://www.zionismchristian.com/zionism_in_christianity.htm#christians_on_zionism

John Owen 1616-1683: "The Jews shall be gathered from all parts of the earth where they are scattered, and brought home into their homeland."

Thomas Brightman 1562-1607: "The restoring of the Jewes and their callinge to the faith of Christ after the utter overthrow of their three enemies is set forth in livelie colours." "Shall they return to Jerusalem again?" "There is nothing more certain: the prophets do everywhere confirm it and beat upon it."

Matthew Henry: "If God will build Jerusalem for the people and their comfort, they must inhabit it for him and his glory. The promises and privileges with which God's people are blessed, should engage us to join them, whatever it costs us."

Isaac Newton: “Hence I observe these things, first that the restauration of the Jewish nation so much spoken of by the old Prophets respects not the few Jews who were converted in the Apostles days, but the dispersed nation of the unbelieving Jews to be converted in the end when the fullness of the Gentiles shall enter, that is when the Gospel (upon the fall of Babylon) shall begin to be preached to all nations. Secondly that the prophecies of Isaiah described above by being here cited by the Apostle is limited to respect the time of the future conversion and restitution of the Jewish Nation, and thirdly that the humour which has long reigned among the Christians of boasting our selves against the Jews, and insulting over them for their not believing, is reprehended by the Apostle for high –mindedness and self-conceipt, and much more is our using them despightfully, Pharisaicall and impious”

In 1641 Oliver Cromwell stated, "And it may be, as some think, God will bring the Jews home to their station, 'from all the isles of the sea,' and answer their expectations 'as from the depths of the sea.'