I am muslim, and i want to asq some questions

[ps49]

Bukhari:V5B59N448 "They then surrendered to the Prophet's judgment but he directed them to Sa'd to give the verdict. Sad said, 'I give my judgment that their men should be killed, their women and children should be taken as captives, and their properties distributed.'"

Muhammed ( SAWS) was a head of state in addition he was prophet of God.

a state assumes the interest.

these Jews you speak of committed  the great treason. so they deserve exemplary punishment

What treason did they commit? Is simply refusing to accept Muhammed as a prophet really sufficient reason to behead innocent people?

[PeteWaldo]

Bukhari:V5B59N448 "They then surrendered to the Prophet's judgment but he directed them to Sa'd to give the verdict. Sad said, 'I give my judgment that their men should be killed, their women and children should be taken as captives, and their properties distributed.'"

Muhammed ( SAWS) was a head of state in addition he was prophet of God.

a state assumes the interest.

these Jews you speak of committed  the great treason. so they deserve exemplary punishment

Thank you for that admission, which should greatly benefit of all that will read this in the future. So you believe that the mass-murder-beheading of innocent, peaceful, faithful Jewish farm boys and their dads and grandpas, and the sexual assault of their little sisters and mom's and pressing them into sexual slavery, is an "exemplary punishment" for "treason" (which even your own books demonstrate the Banu Qurayza never committed against Muhammad).
http://answering-islam.org/Muhammad/Jews/BQurayza/treaty.html

Which of course is exactly what The Islamic State is doing to innocent Christian boys and girls, who refuse to renounce Jesus Christ and parrot the blasphemy of Islam's Shahada.
Muslims wish that Islam had something to do with Abraham (which is a physical impossibility on so many levels), but what did Abraham do after he vanquished the Sodomites, while rescuing his kidnapped nephew?

Genesis 14.20  And blessed be the most high God, which hath delivered thine enemies into thy hand. And he gave him tithes of all.  21  And the king of Sodom said unto Abram, Give me the persons, and take the goods to thyself. 22  And Abram said to the king of Sodom, I have lift up mine hand unto the LORD, the most high God, the possessor of heaven and earth,    23  That I will not [take] from a thread even to a shoelatchet, and that I will not take any thing that [is] thine, lest thou shouldest say, I have made Abram rich:

You see, Abraham worked for a living, rather than stealing the fruit of the labor of others.
http://www.islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=2075.0

Indeed the Banu Qurayza Jews "committed the great treason" of rejecting Muhammad as a prophet of God - because they knew through their Torah that Muhammad was nothing more than a false prophet:

Ishaq:461 "After the siege exhausted and terrorized them, the Jews felt certain that the Apostle would not leave them until he had exterminated them. So they decided to talk to Ka'b Asad. He said, 'People of the Jews, you see what has befallen you. I shall propose three alternatives. Take whichever one you please.' He said, 'Swear allegiance to this man and accept him; for, by Allah, it has become clear to you that he is a prophet sent from Allah. It is he that you used to find mentioned in your scripture book. Then you will be secure in your lives, your property, your children, and your wives.'"

Above we see Mohammed revealed as a terrorist, while next we find that Yahweh's people well understood that following the false prophet Muhammad, would result in a death sentence in the hereafter.

Ishaq:462/Tabari VIII:30 "The Jews said, 'We will never abandon the Torah or exchange it for the Qur'an.' Asad said, 'Since you reject this proposal of mine, then kill your children and your wives and go out to Muhammad and his Companions as men who brandish swords, leaving behind no impediments to worry you. If you die, you shall have left nothing behind; if you win you shall find other women and children.' The Jews replied, 'Why would we kill these poor ones? What would be the good of living after them?'"

So the Jews preferred to be beheaded, rather than recognize the false prophet Muhammad as a prophet of our great God Yahweh, and be separated from God forever for following the false prophet Muhammad. So Muhammad.....

Tabari VIII:38 "The Messenger of Allah commanded that all of the Jewish men and boys who had reached puberty should be beheaded. Then the Prophet divided the wealth, wives, and children of the Banu Qurayza Jews among the Muslims."

Tabari VIII:35/Ishaq:464 "The Jews were made to come down, and Allah's Messenger imprisoned them. Then the Prophet went out into the marketplace of Medina (it is still its marketplace today), and he had trenches dug in it. He sent for the Jewish men and had them beheaded in those trenches. They were brought out to him in batches. They numbered 800 to 900 boys and men."

So why were you so reluctant to offer an honest answer when I pressed you three times earlier for an answer to this simple question?

"Do you believe the Islamic scholar Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi and The Islamic State are ruled by Satan, or by God?"

You are stuck having to believe they are ruled by Muhammad's "Allah", because The Islamic State isn't doing anything that Muhammad and his fellow mass-murdering, female prisoner abusing, reprobate thugs didn't do, or Muhammad command his followers to do through the Quran and the Hadith. Isn't that right?

You have been violating the only forum rule, and one you agreed to abide by when you joined, by ignoring this question so many times - the rule is that you must engage in an exchange. You need to respond to replies to your posts.
http://www.islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=35.msg5830#msg5830

Please reply to that question now.

[PeteWaldo]

Bukhari:V5B59N448 "They then surrendered to the Prophet's judgment but he directed them to Sa'd to give the verdict. Sad said, 'I give my judgment that their men should be killed, their women and children should be taken as captives, and their properties distributed.'"

Muhammed ( SAWS) was a head of state in addition he was prophet of God.

a state assumes the interest.

these Jews you speak of committed  the great treason. so they deserve exemplary punishment

What treason did they commit? Is simply refusing to accept Muhammed as a prophet really sufficient reason to behead innocent people?

To a true fundamental, orthodox, Islamic scholar like Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi it is obviously sufficient reason. The answer our poor deluded friend will give you is that the Banu Qurayza betrayed Muhammad, but that claim is made from pure fiction that was created in modern times, in order to help assuage the guilt of those few Muhammadans that have a smidgen of a sense of right and wrong remaining.
http://answering-islam.org/Muhammad/Jews/BQurayza/treaty.html

Though that article claims of Muhammad: "He strongly emphasized the importance of keeping treaties [Quran Surah 9:4 and Saheeh Bukhari - 33].", that is just more self-contradicted Muhammad double-speak, since he also said that if a Muslim makes an oath and something better comes along then he should expiate his oath.

"If you ever take an oath to do something and later on you find that something else is better, then you should expiate your oath and do what is better." - Sahih Bukhari 9:89:260
http://www.islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=950.0

[ps49]

You need to consider why is the Messiah being so deliberately mysterious over His identity? Why does He confide in the disciples (via an obvious yet tacit admission) but not others generally? You might surprise yourself if you genuinely commit to pondering this. I hope so anyway!

there is nothing mysterious. Jesus was Elias who came to annouce the Messiah.

What scriptural evidence do you have for this?

[Bistabuster]

Looks like he left. Unable to answer simple questions.

[bahous]

What treason did they commit? Is simply refusing to accept Muhammed as a prophet really sufficient reason to behead innocent people?

they plotted against him. and had tacit agreements with the pagans of Mecca

[bahous]

you follow Paul whom he was impersonating but in reality  he was not  Apostle

IICorinthian 11/16-23 : 16 I say again, (let no man think me to be foolish, otherwise take me as one foolish, that I also may glory a little.) 17 That which I speak, I speak not according to God, but as it were in foolishness, in this matter of glorying.
18 Seeing that many glory according to the esh, I will glory also. 19 For you gladly su_er the foolish; whereas yourselves are wise. 20 For you su_er if a man bring you into bondage, if a man devour you, if a man take from you, if a man be lifted up, if a man strike you on the face. 21 I speak according to dishonour, as if we had been weak in this part. Wherein if any man dare (I speak foolishly), I dare also. 22 They are Hebrews: so am I. They are Israelites:
so am I. They are the seed of Abraham:so am I. 23 They are the ministers of Christ (I speak as  one less wise): I am more; in many more labours, in prisons more frequently, in stripes above measure, in deaths often.24 Of the Jews _ve times did I re


this text above demonstrates that Paul acted in enemy of the saints Apostles.
he describes them as Hebrew ; Isralites , seed of Abraham and they are the ministers of Christ.

Paul was not an apostle he claimed .
he admits he was teaching another gospel as preached by the Apostles .

he was not telling the trut

[bahous]

What scriptural evidence do you have for this?

I-John 7/31 : " 31 But of the people many believed in him, and said: When the Christ cometh, shall he do
more miracles, than these which this man doth?"

II-Corintians 11/3-:”3 But I fear lest, as the serpent seduced Eve by his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted, and fall from the simplicity that is in Christ. 4 For if he that cometh preacheth another Christ, whom we have not preached; or if you receive another Spirit, whom you have not received; or another gospel which you have not received; you might well bear with him. 5 For I suppose that I have done nothing less than the great apostles. 6 For although I be rude in speech




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words : him , this man reffer to Jesus.
verb come is in future
i understand Jesus is not the Messiah but he came only to announce him.


the Apostles wer preaching another Gospel and preaching another Christ.

[ps49]

What scriptural evidence do you have for this?

I-John 7/31 : " 31 But of the people many believed in him, and said: When the Christ cometh, shall he do
more miracles, than these which this man doth?"

II-Corintians 11/3-:”3 But I fear lest, as the serpent seduced Eve by his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted, and fall from the simplicity that is in Christ. 4 For if he that cometh preacheth another Christ, whom we have not preached; or if you receive another Spirit, whom you have not received; or another gospel which you have not received; you might well bear with him. 5 For I suppose that I have done nothing less than the great apostles. 6 For although I be rude in speech




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words : him , this man reffer to Jesus.
verb come is in future
i understand Jesus is not the Messiah but he came only to announce him.


the Apostles wer preaching another Gospel and preaching another Christ.

Is that it then bahous? You're basing all of this nonsense on just two verses which you have very badly misunderstood? Do you think there is at all any chance you have misunderstood those words?

Paul was not an apostle he claimed .
he admits he was teaching another gospel as preached by the Apostles .

he was not telling the trut

Liars don't usually admit that they are lying! This is just foolishness.

Also may I ask, which sect of Islam is it that denies that Jesus of Nazareth was the Messiah? Are you not going against the Quran with this belief?

[ps49]

What treason did they commit? Is simply refusing to accept Muhammed as a prophet really sufficient reason to behead innocent people?

they plotted against him. and had tacit agreements with the pagans of Mecca

And where exactly do you read that the Jews plotted against Muhammed or that they had agreements with pagans of Mecca?

[PeteWaldo]

you follow Paul whom he was impersonating but in reality  he was not  Apostle

IICorinthian 11/16-23 : 16 I say again, (let no man think me to be foolish, otherwise take me as one foolish, that I also may glory a little.) 17 That which I speak, I speak not according to God, but as it were in foolishness, in this matter of glorying.
18 Seeing that many glory according to the esh, I will glory also. 19 For you gladly su_er the foolish; whereas yourselves are wise. 20 For you su_er if a man bring you into bondage, if a man devour you, if a man take from you, if a man be lifted up, if a man strike you on the face. 21 I speak according to dishonour, as if we had been weak in this part. Wherein if any man dare (I speak foolishly), I dare also. 22 They are Hebrews: so am I. They are Israelites:
so am I. They are the seed of Abraham:so am I. 23 They are the ministers of Christ (I speak as  one less wise): I am more; in many more labours, in prisons more frequently, in stripes above measure, in deaths often.24 Of the Jews _ve times did I re


this text above demonstrates that Paul acted in enemy of the saints Apostles.
he describes them as Hebrew ; Isralites , seed of Abraham and they are the ministers of Christ.

Paul was not an apostle he claimed .
he admits he was teaching another gospel as preached by the Apostles .

he was not telling the trut

Bahous, you copy and pasted HTML tags from another forum in the above quoted post. I had to go into your post and scrub them out. When you do that the incompatible tags goof up our database. If you copy and paste HTML tags from another forum again, your posts will be removed outright.

I asked you the following question 4 times, and you ignored it every time. I already informed you that is a violation of the forum rules that you agreed to abide by when you registered. If you ignore the question again, all of your posts will be stored in the spam section until you answer the question. Is it really that difficult to answer?

"Do you believe the Islamic scholar Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi and The Islamic State are ruled by Satan, or by God?"

[ps49]

bahous - If you search the Gospel of John you will see that Jesus is identified as the Messiah several times. Here's a couple:

John 4:42 Then they said to the woman, “Now we believe, not because of what you said, for we ourselves have heard Him and we know that this is indeed the Christ, [fn] the Savior of the world.”

John 6:69 “Also we have come to believe and know that You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.”

Does that help to put John 7:31 into context?

Also consider that according to the prophecy of Daniel, the Messiah had to be in the world by AD 32. So claiming that the Messiah is yet to come doesn't work for that reason.

[PeteWaldo]

you follow Paul whom he was impersonating but in reality  he was not  Apostle

Beginning with a false premise, will only result in false presumptions and conclusions.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BuAdmZIoR8c
http://www.islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=1310.0

It is a sad but an undeniable fact that you follow Muhammad alone in the exact opposite of the Gospel and thus must DISbelieve the crucifixion of Christ - the basis of the whole subject of the Gospel - and thus must REJECT the blood of the Lamb of God that would save you from your sins, while you DENY and blaspheme the Son of God, as articles of your faith in THE false prophet Muhammad alone. Time is rapidly running out on you my friend.
http://www.islamandthetruth.com/shirk_unforgivable_sin.htm

However if you had ever read the Gospel you would easily understand that we follow ALL of the prophets and witnesses, as revealed in the 1600 year record of Yahweh to mankind, whose people have followed Him through two covenants for 3500 years.
While you follow the stand-alone, heavily abrogated, 23-year 7th century record of a single stand-alone self-proclaimed "messenger", that is the exact opposite.
http://www.islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=116.0
Just as Muhammad was the opposite of Jesus:
http://www.falseprophetmuhammad.com/jesus_or_muhammad.htm#muhammads_cruelty
With the Quran being inspired by Waraqa bin Naufal, Jabr, Tubba and old Arabic, Egyptian and Hebrew fables, or "tales of the ancients" as the Quran refers to Muhammad's fables.
http://www.islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=452.0
Along with the self-serving parts that Muhammad included because of his greed.
http://www.islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=3775.0

http://www.islamandthetruth.com/the_lamb_slain.htm
Luke 24:44 And he said unto them, These [are] the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and [in] the prophets, and [in] the psalms, concerning me. 45 Then opened he their understanding, that they might understand the scriptures, 46 And said unto them, Thus it is written, and thus it behoved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day: 47 And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem. 48 And ye are witnesses of these things.

So what Old Testament prophecy, was "written in the Psalms", that Jesus was making reference to?

Psalms 22:16 For dogs have compassed me: the assembly of the wicked have inclosed me: they pierced my hands and my feet. 17 I may tell all my bones: they look [and] stare upon me. 18 They part my garments among them, and cast lots upon my vesture.
http://www.islamandthetruth.com/psalms_22.htm

Confirmed as fulfilled by the New Testament witnesses.

Matthew 27:35 And they crucified him, and parted his garments, casting lots: that it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the prophet, They parted my garments among them, and upon my vesture did they cast lots.
Mark 15:24 And when they had crucified him, they parted his garments, casting lots upon them, what every man should take.
Luke 23:33 And when they were come to the place, which is called Calvary, there they crucified him, and the malefactors, one on the right hand, and the other on the left. 34 Then said Jesus, Father, forgive them; for they know not what they do. And they parted his raiment, and cast lots.
John 19:23 Then the soldiers, when they had crucified Jesus, took his garments, and made four parts, to every soldier a part; and also [his] coat: now the coat was without seam, woven from the top throughout. 24 They said therefore among themselves, Let us not rend it, but cast lots for it, whose it shall be: that the scripture might be fulfilled, which saith, They parted my raiment among them, and for my vesture they did cast lots. These things therefore the soldiers did.

We follow all of the Gospel witnesses as revealed in scripture. Why don't you try reading the Gospel and actually thinking for yourself, rather than depending on the transparent buffoonery of Greek sophist styled entertaining, lying deceiving antichrists, like Ahmed Deedat?
Why not preface your study by investigating the First Epistle of John and decide if Ahmed Deedat was telling the truth, or told filthy lies, when he replied to a question as to whether Muhammad was antichrist:
http://www.islamandthetruth.com/first_epistle_john.htm

[ps49]

Since bahous has terrible trouble understanding biblical verses, I wonder what he makes of this text:-

"O you People of the Book, overstep not bounds in your religion, and of God speak only the truth. The Messiah, Jesus, son of Mary, is only an apostle of God, and his Word which he conveyed unto Mary, and a Spirit proceeding from him. Believe therefore in God and his apostles, and say not Three. It will be better for you. God is only one God. Far be it from His transcendent majesty that he should have a son."

Do you recognise it bahous?

[PeteWaldo]

This is your last warning bahous. Do not copy and paste HTML tags from other forums. Our forum software does not use HTML tags like [COLOR="#FF8C00" ] that you brought in here from elsewhere. They goof up our database.
If you do it again I will simply discard your post.

I'm going to move your post to spam - at this link - until such time as you answer the question I have asked you 5 times. According to the rule you agreed to when you joined the forum, you are required to engage in an exchange. Please start answering the questions we have asked you, that you ignored, beginning on page 1.
http://www.islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=4807.msg18449#msg18449

[bahous]

This is your last warning. Do not copy and paste HTML tags from other forums. Our forum software does not use HTML tags like [COLOR="#FF8C00"] that you brought in here from elsewhere. They goof up our database.
If you do it again I will simply discard your post.

I'm going to move your post to spam - at this link - until such time as you answer the question I have asked you 5 times. According to the rule you agreed to when you joined the forum, you are required to engage in an exchange. Please start answering the questions we have asked you, that you ignored, beginning on page 1.
http://www.islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=4807.msg18449#msg18449

you have any chance to answer my questions. all what you have are threats

[bahous]

Bahous, you copy and pasted HTML tags from another forum in the above quoted post. I had to go into your post and scrub them out. When you do that the incompatible tags goof up our database. If you copy and paste HTML tags from another forum again, your posts will be removed outright.

no i am scholar. I am doing searsh in the Bible for 22 years

I asked you the following question 4 times, and you ignored it every time. I already informed you that is a violation of the forum rules that you agreed to abide by when you registered. If you ignore the question again, all of your posts will be stored in the spam section until you answer the question. Is it really that difficult to answer?

you fear me. you have to create subterfuge

"Do you believe the Islamic scholar Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi and The Islamic State are ruled by Satan, or by God?"

Abu bakr does not represent any thing , its a criminal like those created him

[bahous]

read this Waldo , and Ps

James 2/19-24 :” 19 Thou believest that there is one God. Thou dost well: the devils also believe and tremble. 20 But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?

[ps49]

James qualifes Paul as a vain main

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read this Waldo , and Ps

James 2/19-24 :” 19 Thou believest that there is one God. Thou dost well: the devils also believe and tremble. 20 But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?

What makes you think James is talking about Paul? Was Paul without works?

no i am scholar. I am doing searsh in the Bible for 22 years

Then it's not working out too well for you based on all of these misunderstandings you seem to show. These are your works.

I'm interested to know: Who do you think is the Messiah, if not Jesus of Nazareth?

[PeteWaldo]

read this Waldo , and Ps

James 2/19-24 :” 19 Thou believest that there is one God. Thou dost well: the devils also believe and tremble. 20 But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?

"Read this" bahous:  John 3:36 He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.

Typical Muslim forum citizenship. Agrees to abide by the forum rule to engage in an exchange, when he registers, then repeatedly breaks his oath nearly from the beginning. In this case ignoring, even the first question that was repeatedly asked of him, in exchange.
Typical:
http://www.islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=2304.0
http://www.islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=2149.0
http://www.islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=4739.0

This is because Muslims do not consider themselves to be under obligation to keep a vow or oath, isn't that right bahous?

Narrated 'Abdur-Rahman bin Samura:  The Prophet said, ".....If you ever take an oath to do something and later on you find that something else is better, then you should expiate your oath and do what is better."
Sahih Bukhari 9:89:260
http://www.islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=950.0

Let alone that Muslims are licensed to lie, by the "messenger" of the father of lies.
http://www.falseprophetmuhammad.com/global_war_against_truth.htm#dissimulation

[bahous]

I'm interested to know: Who do you think is the Messiah, if not Jesus of Nazareth?

It's Muhammed (SAWS).
the two prophets of God Jesus and John had never anything to preach if it is not the commi,g of the Messiah (Muhammed saws)

[ps49]

I'm interested to know: Who do you think is the Messiah, if not Jesus of Nazareth?

It's Muhammed (SAWS).
the two prophets of God Jesus and John had never anything to preach if it is not the commi,g of the Messiah (Muhammed saws)

I see and thanks for that. May I ask how you have come to this understanding?

[ps49]

I can't find anything in the Old Testament to suggest that Messiah would be born in Mecca or from amongst the gentiles. Messiah was prophesised to be born of the tribe of Judah, in Bethlehem from the seed of Abraham, Isaac, Jacob and David.

Nor can I find anything to suggest that Messiah would arrive during the 7th century AD as per Muhammed. According to Daniel the prophet, Messiah was to be in the world by AD 32.

Isaiah the prophet states that the Messiah would be born from a virgin. Was Muhammed's mother a virgin at his birth?

Nor can I find anything in the Quran to identify Muhammed as Messiah. What have you been reading?

[bahous]

I'm interested to know: Who do you think is the Messiah, if not Jesus of Nazareth?

It's Muhammed (SAWS).
the two prophets of God Jesus and John had never anything to preach if it is not the commi,g of the Messiah (Muhammed saws)

I see and thanks for that. May I ask how you have come to this understanding?

read my posts since the begining and you'll notice that Jesus have no mesage only to annouce the Messiah

[bahous]

I can't find anything in the Old Testament to suggest that Messiah would be born in Mecca or from amongst the gentiles. Messiah was prophesised to be born of the tribe of Judah, in Bethlehem from the seed of Abraham, Isaac, Jacob and David.

Nor can I find anything to suggest that Messiah would arrive during the 7th century AD as per Muhammed. According to Daniel the prophet, Messiah was to be in the world by AD 32.

Isaiah the prophet states that the Messiah would be born from a virgin. Was Muhammed's mother a virgin at his birth?

Nor can I find anything in the Quran to identify Muhammed as Messiah. What have you been reading?

do not listen to those who have gone astray .

throughout the entire Bible announce that Messiah would come from  Arabia, Seir , Petra , the Arabian Peninsula , south to the distant land, of Kedar , and that Messiah is ignorant.
I give you this famous verse that announces the Messiah.

and I invite you to dissect it

Esais 42 :

Behold my servant, I will uphold him: my elect,
my soul delighteth in him: I have given my spirit
upon him, he shall bring forth judgment to the
Gentiles.
............
10 Sing ye to the Lord a new song, his praise
is from the ends of the earth: you that go down
to the sea, and all that are therein: ye islands,
and ye inhabitants of them.
11 Let the desert and the cities thereof be exalted:
Cedar shall dwell in houses: ye inhabitants
of Petra, give praise, they shall cry from
the top of the mountains.[/size]
.................
19 Who is blind, but my servant? or deaf, but
he to whom I have sent my messengers? Who is
blind, but he that is sold? or who is blind, but
the servant of the Lord?[/size]
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you can not see because you are blinded by Paul the liar

see again that Paul was lying : Corintians 11/3-:”4 For if he that cometh preacheth another Christ, whom we have not preached; or if you receive another Spirit, whom you have not received; or another gospel which you have not received; you might well bear with him. 5 For I suppose that I have done nothing less than the great apostles.

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Kedar are Ismael's son . Petra is north of Arabia , the end of earth is in Yemen actually
Paul recognises that the Apostles were preaching another Christ and another Gospel.

Paul was heritic . don't let you listening to him