The Pope and The Second Vatican Council on Islam

[Peter]

http://www.newadvent.org/library/docs_ec21na.htm
Declaration on the Relation of the Church to Non-Christian Religions
The Second Vatican Council
Promulgated by His Holiness Pope Paul VI
October 28, 1965
Paul, Bishop, Servant of the Servants of God, together with the Fathers of the Sacred Council. For Everlasting Memory.

3. The Church regards with esteem also the Moslems. They adore the one God, living and subsisting in Himself, merciful and all-powerful, the Creator of heaven and earth (5), who has spoken to men; they take pains to submit wholeheartedly to even His inscrutable decrees, just as Abraham, with whom the faith of Islam takes great pleasure in linking itself, submitted to God. Though they do not acknowledge Jesus as God, they revere Him as a prophet. They also honor Mary, His virgin mother; at times they even call on her with devotion. In addition, they await the day of judgement when God will render their deserts to all those who have been raised up from the dead. Finally, they value the moral life and worship God especially through prayer, almsgiving and fasting.

Since in the course of centuries not a few quarrels and hostilities have arisen between Christians and Moslems, this Sacred Synod urges all to forget the past and to work sincerely for mutual understanding and to preserve as well as to promote together for the benefit of all mankind social justice and moral welfare, as well as peace and freedom.

The Roman church is confused by what Muslims have been deceived into believing they believe - through ignorance of the Gospel - with what they ACTUALLY believe, which is the EXACT OPPOSITE of the WHOLE SUBJECT of the Gospel.
Let's consider it part by part.

The Church regards with esteem also the Moslems. They adore the one God, living and subsisting in Himself; merciful and all- powerful, the Creator of heaven and earth,(5) who has spoken to men;......
Indeed God has, so let's hear Him:
Matthew 3:17 And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is MY BELOVED SON , in whom I am well pleased.
Mark 1:11 And there came a voice from heaven, [saying], Thou art MY BELOVED SON, in whom I am well pleased.
Luke 3:22 ...and a voice came from heaven, which said, Thou art MY BELOVED SON; in thee I am well pleased.
2Peter 1:17 For he received from God the Father honour and glory, when there came such a voice to him from the excellent glory, This is MY BELOVED SON, in whom I am well pleased.

........ they take pains to submit wholeheartedly to even His inscrutable decrees,......
Surah 9.30 The Jews call Uzair a son of Allah, and the Christians call Christ the son of Allah. That is a saying from their mouth; (in this) they but imitate what the unbelievers of old used to say. Allah's curse be on them: how they are deluded away from the Truth!
1John 2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son. 23 Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father:...

..... just as Abraham, with whom the faith of Islam takes pleasure in linking itself, submitted to God.
Any Islamic link to Abraham is a physical impossibility. Muslims are unwittingly submitted to Satan. The only anti-another-religion, religion, by design. Mohammed's "revelations" co-authored by a jealous fallen angel and his self-serving false prophet Mohammed. http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=452.0
But there are some of us that Mohammed didn't fool:
Mar 13:22 For false Christs and false prophets shall rise, and shall shew signs and wonders, to seduce, if [it were] possible, even the elect.
Indeed even Mohammed believed it was a jinn (a demon) that met him in that cave.
Coptic priest Zakaria Botrous on this subject. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mpsWnbApBNw

"Though they do not acknowledge Jesus as God,....."
Rev 1:7 Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they [also] which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen. 8 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.
And they deny the crucifixion and resurrection, and they deny that Jesus is the Son of God, but hey, perhaps it's just trifling in minor details, to point out that their religion is specifically built on denying the very elements that Christianity IS. The EXACT OPPOSITE. http://www.brotherpete.com
The greatest, and only unpardonable, sin in this satanic religion (shirk) being committed, if a Muslim confesses that Jesus is the Son of God.
2Jo 1:9 Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son.
1Jo 4:15 Whosoever shall confess that Jesus is the Son of God, God dwelleth in him, and he in God.
Jhn 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
Sura 19:88 They say: "(Allah) Most Gracious has begotten a son!" 89 Indeed ye have put forth a thing most monstrous!
What the pope has done is help the Muslims down their path to perdition.
1Jo 5:12 He that hath the Son hath life; [and] he that hath not the Son of God hath not life.

...... they revere Him as a prophet."
Revere Him as a prophet by rejecting His prophecy, and believing THE EXACT OPPOSITE, through the false prophet Muhammad?
Luke 24:46 And said unto them, Thus it is written, and thus it behoved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day:
Matthew 16:21 From that time forth began Jesus to shew unto his disciples, how that he must go unto Jerusalem, and suffer many things of the elders and chief priests and scribes, and be killed, and be raised again the third day.
http://www.islamandthetruth.com/the_lamb_slain.htm
They blaspheme the very blood that would save them:
Mat 26:28 For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.
Surah 4:157 That THEY SAID (in boast), "WE KILLED CHRIST JESUS the son of Mary, the Messenger of Allah";- BUT THEY KILLED HIM NOT, NOR CRUCIFIED HIM, but so it was made to appear to them,... FOR OF A SURETY THEY KILLED HIM NOT:-
Hebrews 10:29 Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?

"They also honor Mary, His virgin Mother; at times they even call on her with devotion."
Mohammedans join with Roman Catholics in the veneration of Mary even collecting together at Fatima. http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=512.0
Likely from Mohammed's consultations with a defrocked priest, or from his "christian" consultant Jabr.
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=16.0
Where does scripture tell us to "call on" Mary?
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=16.0

"In addition, they await the day of judgment when God will render their deserts to all those who have been raised up from the dead."
And what may be the reward for those who follow the false prophet Mohammed, in part, thanks to the Pope's encouragement?
Jhn 3:36 He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.
Rev 20:10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet [are], and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=12.0

"Finally, they value the moral life and worship God especially through prayer,...."
The prayers of the heathen while prostrating themselves to the Quraish pagan's black stone idol in Mecca:
Matthew 6:7 But when ye pray, use not vain repetitions, as the heathen [do]: for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking.

"..... almsgiving ......"
To other MUSLIMS. Like the reason you don't see two nickels moving from a Muslim country, to a tsunami or earthquake stricken country, in spite of their great wealth.

"......... and fasting."
Skipping lunch for a month during the same month that the 2nd century occult cult of the moon worshiping Sabians that Muhammad copied it from. That along with praying 5 times a day, performing ablution, and wearing long white robes during their repackaged moon, sun, star and jinn devil worship rituals of the Hajj and Umrah.
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=2475.0
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=1282.0
Indeed I have read that more money is spent on food by Muslims during the month that they "fast", than any other time of the year, because their big feasts before sunrise and after sunset are more celebratory.
"Unfortunately though, in the Muslim world we have developed this habit of eating more in Ramadan than outside of Ramadan. More money is spent on food and desserts in Ramadan than outside of it. To the extent that even non-muslims who are known to write on Muslims, they describe all these wonderful and tasty foods that are prepared by Muslim families in Ramadan. That is perhaps why that many of us don’t truly benefit from Sawm."http://khutbahs.wordpress.com/2009/08/07/inner-dimensions-of-fasting/

"Since in the course of centuries not a few quarrels and hostilities have arisen between Christians and Moslems,....."
This is false. The hostilities were between the Roman church and Moslems.
Here is how we know it wasn't between Christians and Moslems:
Matthew 5:44 But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;
Mark 12:30 And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength: this [is] the first commandment. 31 And the second [is] like, [namely] this, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. There is none other commandment greater than these.
John 13:35 By this shall all [men] know that ye are my disciples, if ye have love one to another.
The Crusades, inquisitions and persecution of reformers, of the Roman Church murder of Jews, Muslims AND CHRISTIANS, were little different than the 1400 year murder, rape, pillage and plunder of Islamic jihad. No surprise that Roman style Christianity looks little different than Islam to a Moslem.

"...... this sacred synod urges all to forget the past ......"
Certainly it's no surprise that the Roman church would like the world to forget the past, but that is exactly the same as saying "let's forget the holocaust":
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=484.0
http://www.biblebelievers.com/foxes/findex.htm
http://www.homecomers.org/mirror

"....... and to work sincerely for mutual understanding....."
Mutual understanding in regard to our respective beliefs is impossible for a Christian, as Mohammed WAS and taught, the EXACT OPPOSITE of Jesus and the Word of God.
http://www.beholdthebeast.com/islam_the_opposite.htm

"...... and to preserve as well as to promote together for the benefit of all mankind social justice and moral welfare, as well as peace and freedom."
Sure. Social justice like sharia law: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6fbXvq_ZIbw
And honoring women: http://www.beholdthebeast.com/women_in_islam.htm
Ephesians 5:25 Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it;
Sura 2:223 your wives are as tilth (farmland) unto you; so approach your tilth when or how ye will...
Sura (4:34) - Men are the maintainers of women ... admonish them, and leave them alone in the sleeping-places and BEAT THEM; then if they obey you, do not seek a way against them; surely Allah is High, Great.

Honor your wife with a good old fashioned beating!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ChnpaMK1oLQ



Jhn 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
Sura 112:1-3: Say: He is Allah, the One and Only; 2 Allah, the Eternal, Absolute; 3 He begetteth not, nor is He begotten;
Islam.
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=1268.0

[randomfeats]

Here's where I think alot of this comes from.

From the Catechism:

841 The Church's relationship with the Muslims. "The plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator, in the first place amongst whom are the Muslims; these profess to hold the faith of Abraham, and together with us they adore the one, merciful God, mankind's judge on the last day."[330]


I think we have a problem here.

[Peter]

Here's where I think alot of this comes from.

From the Catechism:

841 The Church's relationship with the Muslims. "The plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator, in the first place amongst whom are the Muslims; these profess to hold the faith of Abraham, and together with us they adore the one, merciful God, mankind's judge on the last day."[330]

I think we have a problem here.

Amen Bro. But certainly not the only one:
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=512.0

[Esteban]

Here's where I think alot of this comes from.
From the Catechism:
841 The Church's relationship with the Muslims. "The plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator, in the first place amongst whom are the Muslims; these profess to hold the faith of Abraham, and together with us they adore the one, merciful God, mankind's judge on the last day."[330]
I think we have a problem here.

And it says just underneath: "In their religious behaviour, however, men also display the limits and errors that disfigure the image of God in them: Very often deceived by the Evil One, men have become vain in their reasonings, and have exchanged the truth of God for a lie and served the creature rather than the Creator...."

[Peter]

Here's where I think alot of this comes from.
From the Catechism:
841 The Church's relationship with the Muslims. "The plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator, in the first place amongst whom are the Muslims; these profess to hold the faith of Abraham, and together with us they adore the one, merciful God, mankind's judge on the last day."[330]
I think we have a problem here.

And it says just underneath: "In their religious behaviour, however, men also display the limits and errors that disfigure the image of God in them: Very often deceived by the Evil One, men have become vain in their reasonings, and have exchanged the truth of God for a lie and served the creature rather than the Creator...."

While I can see this comment manifest in Roman Church doctrines of men that are contrary to scripture, even from the little you have posted in here I believe you would agree it is false hope in regard to Islam, since terrorists with a goal of global conquest and subjugation and submission of all the people of the world to Islam are acting specifically in accordance with the Quran and directly emulating the reprobate behavior of their false prophet Mohammed.

But let's steer the discussion back to the subject of the thread. What do you think of the Vatican Council declaration in the original post?

[Peter]

http://www.justforcatholics.org/islam.htm

[Peter]

This is a repeat of the same post on the "Pope Kisses the Quran" thread.

Does doctrine matter?
I ran into a video comment on a Muslim's video that had received 22 thumbs-up likely 100% from Muslims.
They applaud his deception, because it helps them believe Muhammad's false religion, is true.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ORLJDaJrc1g
i am catholic but i believe in the qur'an also, inshallah brothers and sisters
nick(masked ID) 2 weeks ago 22
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I quoted from his video comment and sent it in a PM
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8-8 pete quoting nick

"i am catholic but i believe in the qur'an also..." Your choice, your fate.

Sura 19:88 They say: "(Allah) Most Gracious has begotten a son!" 89 INDEED YE HAVE PUT FORTH A THING MOST MONSTROUS!

Surah 4:157 That they said (in boast), "WE KILLED CHRIST Jesus the son of Mary, the Messenger of Allah";- BUT THEY KILLED HIM NOT, NOR CRUCIFIED HIM, but so it was made to appear... FOR OF A SURETY THEY KILLED HIM NOT

watch?v=ujUOZyrnewE
watch?v=8lEro81ygXQ
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8-8 nick

that video is talking about the choice christians/muslims have to face, it talks about dajjal the false prophet and it will talk about people claiming to be prophets to be decieved by satan and his angels, i am aware that there are blurry lines between what i have said but from whom i have talked to (muslims and christians) and reading the bible and qur'an they both have similarities in them history will prove this books o be relevent tword each other
the thing is that since the 12 apostles were hunted down and murderd peope gave in to polythiestic faiths and when th same angel came to mary with the news of chris that angel also revealed the qur'an to muhammed so i belive in christ and i believe in islam, but thank you for your information.

8-8 nick

here is a video of a little more detail of what my post means.
http://youtu.be/0S_A9ERJWN0
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8-9

[[[[that video is talking about the choice christians/muslims have to face, it talks about dajjal the false prophet .......]]]]]

Muhammad rejected the whole subject of the Gospel, so the Quran is a lie. For a Christian to receive any part of its fables and lies is to condemn oneself. Muhammad got his rejection of the crucifixion by Simon Magnus or Simon the Magician known as the "father of heresies" by our early church fathers. Muhammad got the doctrine through his wife Khadijah's cousin Waraqa who was an occult Gnostic Ebionite priest.

sent with "Sabians..."
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yR3Bla8YwbU

8-9

Worse than that Muhammad is revealed through THEIR OWN BOOKS as an imperialistic conquering, mass murdering, prisoner raping thief. THIS CANNOT BE DENIED.
The beheading of the Banu Qurayza young Jewish farm boys, their dads and grandpas, and rape of their little sisters, moms and grandmas, and theft of all their property, is one of the proudest moments in Islamic history to fundamental Muslims THAT GET Islam.

THE false prophet Muhammad was one of the blackest hearted moral reprobates in the history of mankind. He and his boys stole everything they lived on. That's why they had to conquer more and more territory, all the way up to France and Austria.

jihad
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V9FYYo5EINU

[[[[[....... and it will talk about people claiming to be prophets to be decieved by satan and his angels, i am aware that there are blurry lines between what i have said ......]]]]

This couldn't be more false. To a CHRISTIAN there is crystal clarity. READ IT AGAIN.

Jhn 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

Sura 19:88 They say: "(Allah) Most Gracious has begotten a son!" 89 INDEED YE HAVE PUT FORTH A THING MOST MONSTROUS!

Mat 26:28 For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.

Surah 4:157 That they said (in boast), "WE KILLED CHRIST Jesus the son of Mary, the Messenger of Allah";- BUT THEY KILLED HIM NOT, NOR CRUCIFIED HIM, but so it was made to appear... FOR OF A SURETY THEY KILLED HIM NOT

When you join them you will be judged on that basis.
Worse than that, your pluralism encourages them to remain on their self-destructive path.
Get your head out of the clouds and into the Gospel.

1Jo 5:12 He that hath the Son hath life; [and] HE THAT HATH NOT THE SON OF GOD HATH NOT LIFE.

1John 4:14 And we have seen and do testify that the Father sent the Son [to be] the Saviour of the world. 15 Whosoever shall confess that JESUS IS THE SON OF GOD, God dwelleth in him, and he in God.

1 John 5:5 Who is he that overcometh the world, but he that believeth that Jesus is the Son of God?

2John 1:9 Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath BOTH the Father AND THE SON.

1John 5:10 He that BELIEVETH ON THE SON OF GOD hath the witness in himself: HE THAT BELIEVETH NOT GOD HATH MADE HIM A LIAR; because HE BELIEVED NOT THE RECORD that God gave OF HIS SON.

Hebrews 10:29 Of HOW MUCH SORER PUNISHMENT, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, WHO HATH TRODDEN UNDER FOOT THE SON OF GOD, and HATH COUNTED THE BLOOD OF THE COVENANT, wherewith he was sanctified, AN UNHOLY THING, and hath DONE DESPITE UNTO THE SPIRIT OF GRACE?

1John 2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? HE IS ANTICHRIST, THAT DENIETH the Father and THE SON. 23 WHOSOEVER DENIETH THE SON, THE SAME HATH NOT THE FATHER: [(but) he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also].

2Pe 2:1 But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be FALSE TEACHERS among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, EVEN DENYING THE LORD THAT BOUGHT THEM, AND BRING UPON THEMSELVES SWIFT DESTRUCTION.

John 3:36 He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and HE THAT BELIEVETH NOT THE SON SHALL NOT SEE LIFE, BUT THE WRATH OF GOD ABIDETH ON HIM.

Sura 19:88 They say: "(Allah) Most Gracious has begotten a son!" 89 Indeed ye have put forth a thing most monstrous!

Surah 4:157 That THEY SAID (in boast), "WE KILLED CHRIST JESUS the son of Mary, the Messenger of Allah";- BUT THEY KILLED HIM NOT, NOR CRUCIFIED HIM, but so it was made to appear to them, and those who differ therein are full of doubts, with no (certain) knowledge, but only conjecture to follow, FOR OF A SURETY THEY KILLED HIM NOT:-

Your choice, your fate.
If they were prostrating themselves to a golden calf instead of the Quraish pagans black stone idol in Mecca would you still sit around and sing kumbaya with them?

black stone veneration
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jGyWs__Y-rU

[[[...i am aware that there are blurry lines between what i have said but from whom i have talked to (muslims and christians) and reading the bible and qur'an they both have similarities in them history will prove this books o be relevent tword each other ......]]]]

This is A LIE from straight out of the pit of hell. You need to educate yourself. There is NOT A SINGLE SHRED of historical or archaeological EVIDENCE that suggests that Mecca EVER EVEN EXISTED before the 4TH CENTURY AD.
GOOGLE IT. Visit my site here
http://www.historyofmecca.com/

This means Islamic so-called "tradition" is nothing more than a pack of lies that were all created and put to the pen in the 7th and 8th century AD. THERE IS NO HISTORY.
In fact what they are taught is a GEOGRAPHICAL IMPOSSIBILITY.

Straight out of the pit of hell from the FATHER OF LIES.

paran mecca hagar
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xh5E--IlCKk

[[[[[........the thing is that since the 12 apostles were hunted down and murderd .......]]]]

By people just like Muhammad's follower's rape, pillage and plunder all the way up to France and Austria. With 2 million killed - by TRUE MUSLIMS that DO AS MUHAMMAD DID - in the Sudan alone, most of them our brethren.

In Indonesia 3 teenage girls were beheaded on their way to their Christian school and one of their heads left on the steps of a Church. The note left behind reads: "We will murder 100 more Christian teenagers and their heads will be presented as presents."
http://www.beholdthebeast.com/great_tribulation.htm

With over 17,000 deadly Islamic terror attacks around the world, just since 9-11.
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/

TRUE MUSLIMS doing what they can to follow in the footsteps of one of the most consummate terrorists in the history of mankind.

Sura 8:12 I WILL INSTILL TERROR into the hearts of the unbelievers: smite ye above their necks and smite all their finger-tips off them

Surah 9.29 FIGHT THOSE who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the PEOPLE OF THE BOOK, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued. 30 The Jews call 'Uzair a son of Allah, and the Christians call Christ the son of Allah. That is a saying from their mouth; (in this) they but imitate what the unbelievers of old used to say. Allah's curse be on them: how they are deluded away from the Truth!

Tabari VI:133 "We pledge our allegiance to you and we shall defend you as we would our womenfolk. Administer the oath of allegiance to us, Messenger of Allah, for we are men of war possessing arms and coats of mail."
Ishaq:204/ Tabari VI:134 "'Men of the Khazraj, do you know what you are pledging yourselves to in swearing allegiance to this man.' 'Yes,' they answered. 'In swearing allegiance to him we are pledging ourselves to WAGE WAR AGAINST ALL MANKIND.'"

Noble Qur'an:2:190 Footnote: Jihad is holy fighting in Allah's Cause with full force of numbers and weaponry. It is given the utmost importance in Islam and is one of its pillars. By Jihad Islam is established, Allah's Word is made superior (which means only Allah has the right to be worshiped), and Islam is propagated. By abandoning Jihad Islam is destroyed and Muslims fall into an inferior position; their honor is lost, their lands are stolen, their rule and authority vanish. Jihad is an obligatory duty in Islam on every Muslim. He who tries to escape from this duty, or does not fulfill this duty, dies as a hypocrite.
http://www.petewaldo.com/banu_qurayza_massacre.htm

PEACEFUL MUSLIMS ARE APOSTATE!

Sura 9.111 Allah hath purchased of the believers their persons and their goods; for theirs (in return) is the garden (of Paradise): they fight in His cause, and slay and are slain: a promise binding on Him in truth, through the Law, the Gospel, and the Qur'an: and who is more faithful to his covenant than Allah? then rejoice in the bargain which ye have concluded: that is the achievement supreme.

jihad
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V9FYYo5EINU

[[[[...... gave in to polythiestic faiths and when th same angel came to mary with the news of chris that angel also revealed the qur'an to muhammed ........]]]]

PURE BLASPHEMY. If the mass murdering, child doing, prisoner raping, thief Muhammad was a true prophet, then ALL OF THE PROPHETS and witnesses as revealed in the 1600 year record of Yahweh to mankind ARE FALSE.

This from their most highly respected and considered divinely inspired Hadith - Bukhari

Bukhari:V5B59N448 "They then surrendered to the Prophet's judgment but he directed them to Sa'd to give the verdict. Sad said, 'I give my judgment that their men should be killed, their women and children should be taken as captives, and their properties distributed.'"

Bukhari:V5B59N459 "I entered the Mosque, saw Abu, sat beside him and asked about sex. Abu Said said, 'We went out with Allah's Apostle and we received female slaves from among the captives. We desired women and we loved to do coitus interruptus.'"

[[[[......... so i belive in christ and i believe in islam, but thank you for your information.]]]]]

Islam cannot even be considered a religion.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ujUOZyrnewE
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8-8

here is a video of a little more detail of what my post means.
http://youtu.be/0S_A9ERJWN0
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[[[[here is a video of a little more detail of what my post means.
http://youtu.be/0S_A9ERJWN0]]]]]

That is a pack of pure filthy lies, by a self-admitted disciple of Ahmed Deedat, the most consummate Greek sophist styled entertainer and lying antichrist and hero of Satan.

Naik rejects the hundreds of verses in the Gospel that declare the unique relationship between Jesus Christ THE Son of God and His Father.
Christians are only sons of God.
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=611.0
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=610.0

Mary conceived Jesus by the direct will of God. If she didn't begat the Son of God, then whose son did she begat?

begat past tense of be·get (Verb)
1. (typically of a man, sometimes of a man and a woman) Bring (a child) into existence by the process of reproduction.
2. Give rise to; bring about.

The only evidence Naik can present to support his stupidity is parroting Satan's lies of a 7th century SW Arabian desert dwelling illiterate reprobate, to make his ridiculous case.

The so-called scholars he mentions were responsible for one of the new-age bible versions, which also lie.
http://www.beholdthebeast.com/new_age_bible_versions.htm

That Jesus is the begotten Son of God is declared in many verses, not just one.
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=227.0
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=612.0

We have a whole forum section that exposes these Islamist lies and Greek sophist styled deception.
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?board=33.0

When were you born again, my friend?

deedat on antichrist
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YDslsWDzPIc
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8-10 nick

good god! thats a lot of messages but i stick to my belieffs and i will not fource you to agree with me
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[[[[good god! thats a lot of messages but i stick to my belieffs and i will not fource you to agree with me]]]]

That's silly. Nobody can force anybody to believe anything.
I just wanted you to have FULL KNOWLEDGE that Muhammad's followers are required to DENY the WHOLE SUBJECT of the Gospel.

John 5:22 For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son:

Sura 19:88 They say: "(Allah) Most Gracious has begotten a son!" 89 INDEED YE HAVE PUT FORTH A THING MOST MONSTROUS!

1John 2:22 ...HE IS ANTICHRIST, THAT DENIETH the Father and THE SON. 23 WHOSOEVER DENIETH THE SON, THE SAME HATH NOT THE FATHER

That you approve of their antichrist book and encourage them to remain on their path places you among them.
Now you will be judged having full knowledge, rather than your former ignorance.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cCE_sti-uZc

[Patricio81]

Thank you brother, for this valuable information.

[PeteWaldo]

Thank you brother, for this valuable information.

People will do anything in order to appease Islam, vainly hoping that will somehow change Islam's 1400 year goal of conquest of the world. It's part of the "beaten dog" syndrome non-Muslims suffer from.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t_Qpy0mXg8Y