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[[[[[Let's ask Wikipedia then, shall we??
Wiki says "is a German scholar and an authority ........]]]]]
Then he is by your own admission deemed an "authority".
[[[[[...... on Qur'anic historical orthography".
So how did you transform that into "THE WORLD'S LEADING SPECIALIST in Arabic calligraphy and Qur'anic paleography,"]]]]]
That detail of the quote was from Craig Winn. You are trifling in unnecessary detail, to lodge an empty accusation, whereas I found it easy to rely on Winn in light of the EVIDENCE.
If Puin wasn't the world's leading specialist, then why did the YEMENI GOVERNMENT TRUST HIM to be the one to handle the oldest Quranic manuscripts rather than some local Arab? Because he was the cheapest?
[[[[I guess, lying is in your blood, after all it's what Paul instructs you to do "For if the truth of God hath more abounded through my lie unto his glory; why yet am I also judged as a sinner?"]]]]]
Sadly you damn yourself by following Ahmed Deedat, rather than simply reading the Gospel. If you had read the very next verse you wouldn't have had to leap to such a foolish and false presumption.
Rom 3:7 For if the truth of God hath more abounded through my lie unto his glory; why yet am I also judged as a sinner? 8 And not [rather], (as we be slanderously reported, and as some affirm that we say,) Let us do evil, that good may come? whose damnation is just.
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=337.0Paul tells us that those that do evil that good may come, like those engaged in the Quran and Muhammad inspired imperialistic slaughter of non-muslim innocents that believe murder is for good, are damned. You see what you did? You made yourself just another slanderous reporter.
But your false accusation is predictable as it was prophesied
2 Timothy 3:1
This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come. 2
For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous,
boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, 3
Without natural affection, trucebreakers,
false accusers, incontinent, fierce,
despisers of those that are good,
as well as the blasphemy of THE false prophet Muhammad's Islamic kingdom beast
Rev 13:6 And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven.
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=12.0[[[[And as for presumptions and facts, you're the one making presumptions, I'm the one with the facts.]]]]
If you are the one with the facts, then why is it you haven't been able to produce a single shred, of scriptural, historical, archaeological or geographical evidence, that suggests that Mecca ever existed before the 4th century AD when pagan immigrants from Yemen settled it, or evidence that their Kaaba existed before the early 5th century when those pagans built it for Arabian Star Family and jinn-devil worship?
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?board=56.0[[[[ You obviously don't speak a word of Arabic yet you presume to know enough to criticize the Quran. LOL. What a fool you are.]]]]
One doesn't need to know a word of Arabic to understand that the Quran criticizes itself, with a whopping 71 out of only 114 suras subject to abrogation. In other words, earlier suras turned into lies by later suras, by Muhammad's confused alter-ego "Allah".
2:106 (Asad) Any message which, We annul or consign to oblivion We replace with a better or a similar one. Dost thou not know that God has the power to will anything?
Thus the earlier slightly more peaceful drivel that Muhammad uttered, that apostates like you WISH represented Muhammadanism, are cast aside for the later post-hijra "stages" of Muhammad's "revelations" that call for violence against non-muslims, and theft of their property, through imperialistic conquest and slaughter. This is because Muhammadanism could not stand the light of truth in the 7th century, any more than it can today.
Same reason there have been over 17,000 deadly Islamic terror attacks around the world, just since 9-11.
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/Surah 16:101 When We substitute one revelation for another, and Allah knows best what He reveals (in stages), they say, "Thou art but a forger": but most of them understand not.
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=116.0That is Muhammad's post-hijra suras that call for violence against all non-muslims as the later "stages" that abrogate his earlier peaceful drivel.
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=2276.0Surah 9.29 Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.
Indeed it is binding on all Muslims to fight and slay non-muslims
Sura 9.111 Allah hath purchased of the believers their persons and their goods; for theirs (in return) is the garden (of Paradise): they fight in His cause, and slay and are slain: a promise binding on Him in truth, through the Law, the Gospel, and the Qur'an: and who is more faithful to his covenant than Allah? then rejoice in the bargain which ye have concluded: that is the achievement supreme.
That is, of course a lie though, regarding the Gospel.
[[[[Anyway, you're the one who contacted you, .....]]]]]
I initiated the contact because I noticed your ID on YouTube again and your Arabic language speaking, and it struck me that since you are already a forum member, I would introduce you to our new Arabic category in hopes that you would get to know the love of the one true God, as manifest in our Savior Yeshua, through all of the Old and New Testament prophecy of His crucifixion, death and resurrection - in Arabic.
[[[[[.... I don't want much to do with you and your arguments, I've heard them all before a thousand times and I've refuted people like you a thousand times.]]]]
If that were the case, then why do you continue to embrace and recommend an agnostic who readily admits that Jesus Christ was crucified?
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=2557.msg10483#msg10483I would think that after the first of the "thousand times" you "refuted" people with Ehrman you would stop recommending him, since Muhammadanism requires you to embrace the gnostic doctrine of Simon the Magician of Sumaria that claimed it only appeared that Jesus was crucified.
Simply declaring you refuted someone, does not make it magically come true, any more than believing in flying donkey-mules will magically make them be true. I put a record of our chat in the forum for your review.
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=2557.0I don't see a single refutation in your empty words. For example, where did you present some scriptural, historical, archaeological or geographical evidence that suggests that Mecca ever existed before the 4th century AD when pagan immigrants from Yemen settled the area, to refute THE FACT that there is none?
The reason you are stuck having to run to the embrace an agnostic, who you yourself have must necessarily judge a liar, as if that individual has authority over thousands of years of Judeo/Christian authorship, scholarship and apologetics, is because to follow Muhammad requires you to believe that the 1600 year record of Yahweh to mankind through ALL of His prophets and witnesses, is a lie. This, in order to join the 23 year 7th century cult of a single individual, who is undeniably revealed through his stand-alone 7th century record, as an imperialistic conquering, murdering, female prisoner abusing, child doing, thief.
A false prophet, that declared the EXACT OPPOSITE, of the WHOLE SUBJECT of the Gospel.
Even your agnostic hero Ehrman confirms that Jesus was crucified.
No crucifixion, death and resurrection to save us from sin, no Gospel. Yet the crucifixion of Jesus Christ was even prophesied many hundreds of years in advance. And that prior prophecy was cited by Jesus Christ Himself, when He prophesied His own crucifixion.
http://www.islamandthetruth.com/the_lamb_slain.htmEven Ehrman doesn't agree with the gnostic doctrine of Simon the Magician (later known as "Simonianism"), who originated the preposterous and historically untenable gnostic heresy of it only having appeared that Jesus was crucified, that Muhammad's wife Khadijah's cousin Waraqa bin Naufal, the Ebionite occult priest, presented to Muhammad.
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=2475.0Psy, the support and comfort you seek to find in your agnostic hero Bart D. Ehrman evaporates, when you must necessarily consider him to be a liar as well, in order to continue to follow Muhammad. Ehrman confirms the crucifixion of Jesus Christ, as, of course, does the historical record.
Quoting,
http://www.answering-islam.org/authors/thompson/bart_ehrman_hero.html"For this reason the supposed hero of Islam, Bart Ehrman rejects Islam’s position that Jesus wasn’t crucified and he has openly stated that he believes Jesus was crucified according to the available data. In his work ‘The New Testament: A Historical Introduction to the Early Christian Writings,’ he states:
In any event, Tacitus's report confirms what we know from other sources, that Jesus was executed by order of the Roman governor of Judea, Pontius Pilate.2
So it seems that the hero for Islam agrees with the Christians about Jesus being crucified. This is valuable information and is very useful to bring up to anyone who touts Ehrman as the hero of Islam."
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=2558.0But the reason that you, and Ehrman, cannot see the kingdom of God, as I pointed out early on, is because you have not been born again. For this reason, you cannot understand the things of the Spirit of God, and you won't, as long as you put your effort into MISunderstanding.
1Cr 2:14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know [them], because they are spiritually discerned.
Indeed you spend your life running and hiding from the truth, whether scriptural, historical, archaeological, or geographical, while engaging in thinly repackaged Sabian occult, and Quraish pagan Star Family and jinn-devil worship, to follow an imperialistic conquering, murdering, female captive abusing, child doing, thief. Doesn't that ever strike you as a little peculiar?
I am here to preach Christ crucified.
1Cr 1:23 But we preach Christ crucified, unto the Jews a stumblingblock, and unto the Greeks foolishness;
Antichrists efforts are to reject it.
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I generally begin replying before completely reading a PM, so I don't have to read it twice. So when I am surprised by someone being so afraid of truth that they block me, the PM gets lost, and I have to spend the time to try to reconstruct it. I go through the trouble because I wanted to be sure to include the entirety of his replies in here.
The above discussion highlights the problem when the light of truth is shined on Muhammadanism. We have to pray for these poor folks. To leave Islam results in their being rejected by their family and friends, loosing their inheritance, and their jobs from Muslim employers. In some cases even their lives, even by the hand of their own mother and father.
